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12-20-04, 09:27

Right on that Hippie..None of US , should feel one ounce of guilt for what has transpired in the past, just be smart enough to learn from it for whatever real truths of the pasts are "out-there" cause the history we were all taught is all we got. There was once an alternative history book available thru some of the "radical" presses. {ie, Loompanics, if so allowed} where it almost hurt to read the real events, if they were even real. WE will never know what really happened
what events really never made it into the books
..how many really died..all that matters is that we are all ALIVE today thanks to those who kept going in the past. No matter what they did, good...bad..and apathetically..got us all here and now. It Ain't no Utopia and never will be unless in our dreams...or in some small communal group away from it all and even then there are
the little imperfections of everyday life and of everyday people to contend with, and if there were not...damn ..life would be a BORE,,a snooze..jist put me ta' sleep Elmer..
like a life without fermentation...where would we be with out the rot of life..?? of constant change and conversion into a new event or even consumable products..our hands and Nature has provided.
So "free" is just a matter of small degrees..
there is no absolute in it...ever..and if someone tells you, that you are totally free..
like the emancipation proclamation , et al,
be afraid , be very afraid...and run away ..
That gold the Spaniards took as spoils of war
went back to the Vatican in partial payments as tribute and permits to keep carrying on in the good name of things. Hey , It was the way of the world back then, them with the gold made the rules and sadly still do except for the individualist who live life on their own terms as much as they can or dare, The Brits were smart enough to just wait until Spain did all the dirty work and then robbed them of whatever they could"privateer" away from them, so were they any better? yah and how bout' them Dutch..they started the free market of slaves as we all know it..except the Indians and Africans all made and used slaves of their own peoples..
guess it's only "human"?? The Way of the Day..
And Toaist
is right about not learning from history due to ego control, induced imaginations,whatever!..sort of like Iraq today reminds me of what really happened in Vietnam then...what was the Rule of War and acceptable, with the orders like' "Ah Hell, Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out"...the real reasons for these conflicts and involvements are so cover-up by gung-hooism we only see and hear what we want..and what we are told and taught..just as I am sure people's of the centuries past did the same for their rulers..whomever they were..however they did things..Rule is Law..no matter how nasty it all gets in the end. Only history says if it was a good thing or bad..and then well it's too damn late...ain't it..
and dislike is just around the corner from hate..very true, as life is from death just a heartbeat away...
but what comes from hate is all the difference in the world..no one had a lock on the systematic elimination of people, be they whole civilizations or just a group of tribe..that unbearable butt-hole cross the street..ya' kill my dog.. I'll kill yer cat...mentality...whatever..
it's been going on forever...and still is for sure..probably always will..but "
as the great Ted and Bill said "Be excellent to each Other" now there's a tough act to follow well..cause I got this neighbor that just makes me so damn mad I wanna....well..that's another story aren't it...and it all starts over again...round and round she goes and where she stops nobody will ever knowzzzzz. Cause is it really suppose to STOP? I think the whole idea of ideal harmony must be, the idea of
"heaven" cause in reality , I don't think it's even possible for all mankind, just in our own hearts and actions,,,a piece at a time, in time.
Why do they always say at the funeral " well they are finally Free now.."??
Free..! I think but never say, 'HELL-they're DEAD!! '
Nice Forum , sort of makes ya' think just a little more each day..thanks Hip..and all the rest my best.

(Message edited by karlfinn on December 20, 2004)

12-20-04, 09:27	#19 (permalink)
~karl Guest Posts: n/a	Right on that Hippie..None of US , should feel one ounce of guilt for what has transpired in the past, just be smart enough to learn from it for whatever real truths of the pasts are "out-there" cause the history we were all taught is all we got. There was once an alternative history book available thru some of the "radical" presses. {ie, Loompanics, if so allowed} where it almost hurt to read the real events, if they were even real. WE will never know what really happened what events really never made it into the books ..how many really died..all that matters is that we are all ALIVE today thanks to those who kept going in the past. No matter what they did, good...bad..and apathetically..got us all here and now. It Ain't no Utopia and never will be unless in our dreams...or in some small communal group away from it all and even then there are the little imperfections of everyday life and of everyday people to contend with, and if there were not...damn ..life would be a BORE,,a snooze..jist put me ta' sleep Elmer.. like a life without fermentation...where would we be with out the rot of life..?? of constant change and conversion into a new event or even consumable products..our hands and Nature has provided. So "free" is just a matter of small degrees.. there is no absolute in it...ever..and if someone tells you, that you are totally free.. like the emancipation proclamation , et al, be afraid , be very afraid...and run away .. That gold the Spaniards took as spoils of war went back to the Vatican in partial payments as tribute and permits to keep carrying on in the good name of things. Hey , It was the way of the world back then, them with the gold made the rules and sadly still do except for the individualist who live life on their own terms as much as they can or dare, The Brits were smart enough to just wait until Spain did all the dirty work and then robbed them of whatever they could"privateer" away from them, so were they any better? yah and how bout' them Dutch..they started the free market of slaves as we all know it..except the Indians and Africans all made and used slaves of their own peoples.. guess it's only "human"?? The Way of the Day.. And Toaist is right about not learning from history due to ego control, induced imaginations,whatever!..sort of like Iraq today reminds me of what really happened in Vietnam then...what was the Rule of War and acceptable, with the orders like' "Ah Hell, Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out"...the real reasons for these conflicts and involvements are so cover-up by gung-hooism we only see and hear what we want..and what we are told and taught..just as I am sure people's of the centuries past did the same for their rulers..whomever they were..however they did things..Rule is Law..no matter how nasty it all gets in the end. Only history says if it was a good thing or bad..and then well it's too damn late...ain't it.. and dislike is just around the corner from hate..very true, as life is from death just a heartbeat away... but what comes from hate is all the difference in the world..no one had a lock on the systematic elimination of people, be they whole civilizations or just a group of tribe..that unbearable butt-hole cross the street..ya' kill my dog.. I'll kill yer cat...mentality...whatever.. it's been going on forever...and still is for sure..probably always will..but " as the great Ted and Bill said "Be excellent to each Other" now there's a tough act to follow well..cause I got this neighbor that just makes me so damn mad I wanna....well..that's another story aren't it...and it all starts over again...round and round she goes and where she stops nobody will ever knowzzzzz. Cause is it really suppose to STOP? I think the whole idea of ideal harmony must be, the idea of "heaven" cause in reality , I don't think it's even possible for all mankind, just in our own hearts and actions,,,a piece at a time, in time. Why do they always say at the funeral " well they are finally Free now.."?? Free..! I think but never say, 'HELL-they're DEAD!! ' Nice Forum , sort of makes ya' think just a little more each day..thanks Hip..and all the rest my best. (Message edited by karlfinn on December 20, 2004)