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10-04-04, 19:53

"5-meo-dmt that is extracted from various natural sources, is not a RC.
i might even be wrong about that,
but it is RC,
it's just too destructive,
and deconstructive
for mycotopia."

I agree with what you are saying cleanjar. To a point.. Let me pick your brain, one lunatic to another.

If I create a brew that contains a plant that contains 5-MEO are you saying that I have violated some holy mycotopia writ. Is this what you are saying? What criteria are you using to judge these substances?

I would VERY much consider MDMA and LSD to both be RC's. Most other people would also. They do not exist in nature, nor have they had much use during human history. MDMA is very much a wildcard. We have no freaking clue of what long term use will do to a person. Its right up there with AMT, unknown, unstudied. I have known many MDMA heads who show signs of possible brain damage. Not only that but they have an inability to foster healthy relationships without the use of the drug. These people are just as fractured as a coke head is.

LSD is a man made substance. Its new in terms of human consumption. Compared to things like DMT or psylicybin, it is VERY new. More is known about Datura than LSD. Real medical research using LSD is confined to less than 10 years during the 50's and 60's.

I never really liked LSD. The trip was "metalic", non animated, and hardly visionary. I only did it maybe 40 times over a 3 year period and gave up on it. To me its a yawn, and it lasts too long to be of any use for me. Good for digging around in your head, but shrooms do this also with the added bonus of a cool "light show". They only last 4 or 5 hours vs acid which from my experience can go more than 12.

People did change after Jerry died. But not as much as society did. Do you honestly think that if Jerry was alive today people would go see him? The whole hippy thing is becoming "un-cool" again, even more so than the 80's. God forbid if he where alive and tried to revive the antiwar thing of the 60's or if he decided to hold a concert against GW. Maybe he was better of to go when he did rather than be ruined by what exists today.

Right now its just a bunch of kids who want to get "f'cked up". There is no spiritual aim to the experience, no real aim to discover ones self. I have read posts here by people who's only intent on getting etheogens was to get screwed up. It always comes down to, "is it worth the buy?".. I have seen people here asking questions about Ayahuasca and all they want to know is will it really f'ck them up and how to they make it. Send them to the archives! Then they come back and say it seems like too much work to make the brew. LOL! I love it when they find out how easy it is, then they post there log of the extraction, then they say they are going to drink it! HA! They seem to never post again.. Perhaps the vine tore them to pieces. Good riddens.

Its my belief that these people who talk about trading in RC's are most likely too young to be here anyway. I am also certain that many of them are the "damaged" group of people who grew up during the mid 90's. Products of the system. A TV in every room of the house and now they put them even in cars and vans. Their minds are limited and sterile.

These kids need to spend a few years getting stoned out of their minds before they even touch an etheogen. Getting stoned can undue the damage inflicted by the sick society they have grown up in. But then, now is not the time for someone who can think for themselves. Society is in need of drones that can produce "product" and nothing more. LOL! A whole generation of "product".

10-04-04, 19:53	#23 (permalink)
~thoth Guest Posts: n/a	"5-meo-dmt that is extracted from various natural sources, is not a RC. i might even be wrong about that, but it is RC, it's just too destructive, and deconstructive for mycotopia." I agree with what you are saying cleanjar. To a point.. Let me pick your brain, one lunatic to another. If I create a brew that contains a plant that contains 5-MEO are you saying that I have violated some holy mycotopia writ. Is this what you are saying? What criteria are you using to judge these substances? I would VERY much consider MDMA and LSD to both be RC's. Most other people would also. They do not exist in nature, nor have they had much use during human history. MDMA is very much a wildcard. We have no freaking clue of what long term use will do to a person. Its right up there with AMT, unknown, unstudied. I have known many MDMA heads who show signs of possible brain damage. Not only that but they have an inability to foster healthy relationships without the use of the drug. These people are just as fractured as a coke head is. LSD is a man made substance. Its new in terms of human consumption. Compared to things like DMT or psylicybin, it is VERY new. More is known about Datura than LSD. Real medical research using LSD is confined to less than 10 years during the 50's and 60's. I never really liked LSD. The trip was "metalic", non animated, and hardly visionary. I only did it maybe 40 times over a 3 year period and gave up on it. To me its a yawn, and it lasts too long to be of any use for me. Good for digging around in your head, but shrooms do this also with the added bonus of a cool "light show". They only last 4 or 5 hours vs acid which from my experience can go more than 12. People did change after Jerry died. But not as much as society did. Do you honestly think that if Jerry was alive today people would go see him? The whole hippy thing is becoming "un-cool" again, even more so than the 80's. God forbid if he where alive and tried to revive the antiwar thing of the 60's or if he decided to hold a concert against GW. Maybe he was better of to go when he did rather than be ruined by what exists today. Right now its just a bunch of kids who want to get "f'cked up". There is no spiritual aim to the experience, no real aim to discover ones self. I have read posts here by people who's only intent on getting etheogens was to get screwed up. It always comes down to, "is it worth the buy?".. I have seen people here asking questions about Ayahuasca and all they want to know is will it really f'ck them up and how to they make it. Send them to the archives! Then they come back and say it seems like too much work to make the brew. LOL! I love it when they find out how easy it is, then they post there log of the extraction, then they say they are going to drink it! HA! They seem to never post again.. Perhaps the vine tore them to pieces. Good riddens. Its my belief that these people who talk about trading in RC's are most likely too young to be here anyway. I am also certain that many of them are the "damaged" group of people who grew up during the mid 90's. Products of the system. A TV in every room of the house and now they put them even in cars and vans. Their minds are limited and sterile. These kids need to spend a few years getting stoned out of their minds before they even touch an etheogen. Getting stoned can undue the damage inflicted by the sick society they have grown up in. But then, now is not the time for someone who can think for themselves. Society is in need of drones that can produce "product" and nothing more. LOL! A whole generation of "product".