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Originally Posted by Hippie3  cat-
isn't it true that 'progressives' is just a code word for democrats ?
one hardly hears the term 'progressive movement' applied to conservatives AKA republicans.
that's why i termed your last testimonial as partisan politics-
just does not sound to me like you are talking about reagan or bush. |
Most certainly, progressive goals WERE accomplished under both Bush AND Reagan- (although minimised under that administration). The most glaring at this time is, of course, TARP 1.
Actually ALL the way back to Wilson, and possibly before- under both Democrats and Republicans.
PLEASE accept my heartfelt disclaimer here that although I tend to agree more with Republican policies that with Democrats... It wasn't always so, and it REALLY is irrelevant- this DOES cross party lines, and BOTH have accomplished stated goals of the Progressive Movement.
I believe in neither as our protectors and friends, let alone Saviours. I believe in the American citizen's right and ABILITY to govern himself.
its just that right NOW we are seeing the culmination of a century of planning and influence upon our society- and you can call it anything you want- any name is good- it all boils down to SOMEONE wanting power over ME.
And you.
This I cannot stomach. Enough is enough.
So I speak up. You know, I DO understand that some people actually desire the kind of government Socialism brings.
I do not.
I'd rather have my survival knife and freedom, than be a number in a line to have the government care for me.
And since I have a lot of pain just living these days, that's a lot to say.
Camping just ain't the fun it used to be, you know what I mean?
So anyway, man- I don't mean to appear to be partisan.
Maybe I can explain what I THINK is true... The Progressive Movement will use anything to accomplish its goals.
Fair enough- you want something, go for it. Make it happen.
It just happens that the goals of the PM are easier to accomplish disguised behind the sweet names of liberal causes. Like Global Warming or Universal Healthcare.
It's not about Liberalism versus Conservative.
Or Democrat versus republican.
It's about freedom versus servitude to the state, to me.
If I have to live somewhere on the arc between the two, I'll choose closer to the freedom side.
Any way, a shitload of manipulation of the people's money and freedoms is a' hapnin.
I just don't think this is the right road.