Man Vs. Wild

The Truth. · 07-27-09, 23:59

I love the Discovery channel.

Bear Grylls is one helluva guy. I know there's a lot of speculation to
the legitimacy of his expeditions but hey, the dude does his thing.
Compared to Survivor Man I go with Bear all the way.
Anyway, he shows some cool tips for survival at any geographical
location you could think of.
Definitely some good skills to learn on the show besides being entertaining.

The dude drinks his own urine and eats any nutrient rich plant or animal
around. As well shows much of what not to eat.
Making shelter, fire, which way to go, among other great tips an advice.

Bear Grylls : Man vs. Wild : Discovery Channel

Call him phony if you want but facts are facts.

Damn cool show on the aspects of survival.

Njoy

orgonebox · 07-28-09, 00:35

Sure, Bear demonstrates lots of techniques that one might use under various extreme survival situations. He also does lots of unnecessary things - all the way from jumping into rivers to digging a sheep out of a bog. For that reason, I tend to go with Les Stroud, who gives the sage advice of don't sweat, conserve energy, and try to be aware of the resources immediately around you.

Man Vs. Wild would be a lot less dodgy if the show would simply explain the edits in time and location. The black hills/badlands/plains episode is a fine example - somehow Bear makes a several-hundred mile journey look seamless, as though he walked from the black hills down into the plains and then on to the badlands, when really, if you check the credits, you can note the hotels he stayed at, as well as a few shoe changes. And all that was in last season, after he'd recanted and admitted that he now has to reveal when the crew helps him do things like gather firewood, provide a wardrobe change, or a nice ride to a hotel.

Survivorman only gave us eighteen episodes or so before Les called it quits due to stress, but I think the span reveals the extreme nature of what it takes to survive on your own, and exactly what sort of wit you need about you in order to cope with the situation.

The Truth. · 07-28-09, 00:44

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Originally Posted by orgonebox

Sure, Bear demonstrates lots of techniques that one might use under various extreme survival situations. He also does lots of unnecessary things - all the way from jumping into rivers to digging a sheep out of a bog. For that reason, I tend to go with Les Stroud, who gives the sage advice of don't sweat, conserve energy, and try to be aware of the resources immediately around you.

Man Vs. Wild would be a lot less dodgy if the show would simply explain the edits in time and location. The black hills/badlands/plains episode is a fine example - somehow Bear makes a several-hundred mile journey look seamless, as though he walked from the black hills down into the plains and then on to the badlands, when really, if you check the credits, you can note the hotels he stayed at, as well as a few shoe changes. And all that was in last season, after he'd recanted and admitted that he now has to reveal when the crew helps him do things like gather firewood, provide a wardrobe change, or a nice ride to a hotel.

Survivorman only gave us eighteen episodes or so before Les called it quits due to stress, but I think the span reveals the extreme nature of what it takes to survive on your own, and exactly what sort of wit you need about you in order to cope with the situation.

I can agree to an extent. But Bear still gives you what you need in those harsh situations with not much to go on and few supplies.
Survivor man has a whole slew of camping gear.
Whether Bear is just going through the motions or not, the information and technique is there to show you how to.
No doubt Les is tough, he just uses lots of gear along the way.

orgonebox · 07-28-09, 00:56

Um, Les doesn't have a crew for seven days. He has the gear he has on him plus his cameras. Bear gets ported off to a hotel, or gets to sleep in a tent or bivouac carried by his camera crew. I mean, Bear does show useful techniques for extreme situations, but those situations are often found for him by the crew that accompanies him. Furthermore, the crew is there to bail Bear's shit out if the extreme situation survival technique fails. Seriously, if you're in a survival situation, you want to place yourself at as little risk as possible, which probably precludes a whole host of things shown on MvW. From what I've seen, Bear's show is more about those oh-shit situations.

But then again, I've never had to endure a survival situation as depicted in either program, so its all pure speculation to me. Hopefully I'll have some good sense of the land should such a situation arise, and at least a little bit of compass direction. Otherwise, I imagine I'll be vulture fodder. Do something nice with my bones if you find them, okay?

The Truth. · 07-28-09, 01:12

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Originally Posted by orgonebox

Um, Les doesn't have a crew for seven days. He has the gear he has on him plus his cameras. Bear gets ported off to a hotel, or gets to sleep in a tent or bivouac carried by his camera crew. I mean, Bear does show useful techniques for extreme situations, but those situations are often found for him by the crew that accompanies him. Furthermore, the crew is there to bail Bear's shit out if the extreme situation survival technique fails. Seriously, if you're in a survival situation, you want to place yourself at as little risk as possible, which probably precludes a whole host of things shown on MvW. From what I've seen, Bear's show is more about those oh-shit situations.

But then again, I've never had to endure a survival situation as depicted in either program, so its all pure speculation to me. Hopefully I'll have some good sense of the land should such a situation arise, and at least a little bit of compass direction. Otherwise, I imagine I'll be vulture fodder. Do something nice with my bones if you find them, okay?

LOL...sure thang.
If Les finds your bones he'll just pull his shovel outta his back-pack an give ya a proper burial. ;-)

Honestly though, the shows are different. And your right about the extremities.
I guess I just like his accent.

~Hippie3 · 07-28-09, 06:34

drinking your own urine is a sure-fire way to die of dehydration -
way too much salt in it to be any help UNLESS you distill it
into pure water.

people stuck in lifeboats on the ocean have tried drinking urine,
they still died.
urine is not a water substitute.
better off score tree bark and drinking the sap.

firerat · 07-28-09, 07:27

Bear cracks me up.

I love when he's climbing through some bush or a bog or something and he'll turn to the camera and say, "This is very dangerous, gotta watch my every step. 1 wrong move and it could spell disaster." So you see him struggle to get through it.

Meanwhile the guy holding the camera has no issues at all. Just kind of glides through whatever it is they are supposed to be stuck in. Maybe he should be the one explaining all this stuff.

I'll admit, Bear for the most part knows what he is talking about and has some interesting ideas. (although a lot of it will probably get you killed if you tried it without proper training)

But I like Les a lot better. As stated above, he's more about conserving energy, focusing on shelter, and not taking rediculous risks. That may be due to the fact he doesn't have a camera crew with him. A major screw up for really could be a disaster.

Either way, both are fun shows to watch, so to each his own.

TVCasualty · 07-28-09, 08:15

The title, "Man vs. Wild," already tells me he'd be dead meat in a real survival situation. You can't oppose nature and win, you can only flow with it. Well, you might 'survive' for a time, but you will never thrive. And humans thrived in every environment on Earth this guy would find himself in, so the only reason he or anyone else is uncomfortable or having a rough time of it is because their skills are lacking and they are opposing the natural flow.

It's why a well-trained and skilled survivalist was voted off the island so fast on "Survivor" a bunch of seasons ago; the others saw his skills as a threat and they eliminated that threat. Well, he was a threat to any of them winning a million dollars, but that's not survival. Survival requires conservation of energy and cooperation, and if going solo conservation of energy is even more important.

I've taken a fair number of survival classes by a world-class expert and tried a lot of what I learned in the field, and if you want to know the real deal go to New Jersey, lol. At the school there in the Pine Barrens, the philosophy is that if you go into wilderness with manufactured tools and equipment, you're just camping. Someone always asks "What about bringing a knife?" Well, if you bring a knife you might as well be barbecuing ribs at a tailgate party outside a football game. In a real life situation, you'd definitely grab a knife or any other tool if you could (not to would be stupid), but for training it's best not to assume you'll have one because as we all know, as soon as we take something for granted, it seems to vanish.

These shows are to survival what 70's kung-fu flicks were to street fighting.

firerat · 07-28-09, 08:26

I never go anywhere without a knife except of cource a courthouse, or on an airplane, etc...

And of course, due to our friend Murphy, the one time I really need my knife to survive, I won't have it.

You're right, the best survival tool someone can have is the one between their ears. I've seen people just go camping with 3 truckloads of equipment, all the pretty shit they sell at Bass Pro, and because of a little rain, could not get a fire started.

Survival is about adapting and improvising. Use what you have and can find. If you're not sure, don't take a risk. (i.e. drink questionable water, eat berries you're not sure about)

These shows are only helpful if you are in exactly the same situation with exactly the same resources as the guys in them.

Psoulocybe · 07-28-09, 09:37

Bear may be a pretty actor, but If I had to choose a teacher that was going to teach me life skills... I'd look elsewhere.

Not to side track your thread even more, but Les Stroud is someone we could all learn from.

mushroommaster7 · 07-28-09, 10:05

the British raise their spec ops soldiers well...

i agree, he doesn't always need to do backflips into freezing cold water, but hey it's more for your enjoyment sitting on your couch =)

HUMBLE STUDENT · 07-28-09, 10:14

les stroud is the man bear is more of a shock jock i think he does half of what he does just so ppl will watch to see what crazy crap he will do next. i definetly learn more from les and he doesnt go killin anything he can get his hands on only what he has to.

The Truth. · 07-28-09, 11:09

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Originally Posted by firerat

I never go anywhere without a knife except of cource a courthouse, or on an airplane, etc...
And of course, due to our friend Murphy, the one time I really need my knife to survive, I won't have it.

So true FR. I'm the same way.

The shows are geared toward different situations. One survives with next to nothing.
The other has gear.
And I don't care if Bear is having tea and crumpets when the camera is turned.
The fact still remains he shows you necessary survival tactics with little or no gear.
He's more knowledgeable on what to eat as well.
Drinking of urine is debatable. I looked it up and the results are 50/50.
Assuming you aren't carrying material for a makeshift still or don't know how to make one......and your on your last leg out there....I think it would prove beneficial.
But what do I know? I'm just entertained.

Muscarine anyone?

Aislyn Wendell · 07-28-09, 11:25

I like both, but I really do prefer Les. He's so much more calm and collected. Bear reminds me of a twelve-year-old with ADD sometimes. Anyway, I really liked the film Les Stroud did on living off-grid. Sure, not everyone has the resources and money available to do what he did, but it's still interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg7Ea...965C98&index=0

ethnobotanica · 07-28-09, 11:47

I personally don't like Bear. Watched him once or twice and that was enough. He bit the head off a live toad, no need for it. He could of just told us that the toad was edible. He's probably already had a few complaints from the animal rights people.
I reckon he does have ADD as well. I can't hold a shread of respect for the guy, sorry.
I just dont think Mr. Gryll's is ethical in his approach.

I havn't seen Les Shroud before though, might have to check him out.

The Truth. · 07-28-09, 11:51

guess i'm solo on this one.

firerat · 07-28-09, 11:57

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Originally Posted by The Truth.

guess i'm solo on this one.

For entertainment purposes, I'll watch Man vs.Wild and Survivorman.

Just remember that's what they essentially are, entertainment.

Aislyn Wendell · 07-28-09, 12:00

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Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

I personally don't like Bear. Watched him once or twice and that was enough. He bit the head off a live toad, no need for it. He could of just told us that the toad was edible. He's probably already had a few complaints from the animal rights people.
I reckon he does have ADD as well. I can't hold a shread of respect for the guy, sorry.
I just dont think Mr. Gryll's is ethical in his approach.

I toadtally agree (pun intended), I remember seeing him take one bite of a wild orange and throwing the rest away! WTF! Even not being in a survival situation, I don't pull that crap. Its disrespectful to the plant that has given you sustenance.

TVCasualty · 07-29-09, 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

He's probably already had a few complaints from the animal rights people.

Unless they're surviving in the tropics, vegetarians won't survive outside civilization unless they start eating meat. And to obtain meat in a real survival situation would mean doing things that would make animal rights activists faint and be in violation of a law or two in most places.

If someone wants to actually sit down and be taught directly how to do this stuff instead of watching it on a video, they ought to check out this school in New Jersey: www.trackerschool.com I learned some great psychological and guerilla warfare tactics there, how to track, stalk, set traps, knap blades, make shelters with no tools, brain-tan hides, etc. (a lot of wild and crazy stuff fits under 'etc.' at that school).

weeeeeee · 07-29-09, 09:49

i had an intense trip with lucy due to bear it looked like he was shooting vines out of his hands and just running up this cliff and like growling real close to the camera. good times with bear grylls i see a spin off in the works

na ok but to be serious about the topic now me and my friend were having this discussion one day during commercial break on his show about how he is just ridiculous and the shit he does is obsurd. well about 5 minutes after that discussion he happens upon a dead camel and proceeds to drink fluids from its innards and climb inside of its carcass which was seemingly inspired by star wars .... yeah enough said

weeeeeee · 07-29-09, 09:52

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Originally Posted by TVCasualty

If someone wants to actually sit down and be taught directly how to do this stuff instead of watching it on a video, they ought to check out this school in New Jersey: www.trackerschool.com I learned some great psychological and guerilla warfare tactics there, how to track, stalk, set traps, knap blades, make shelters with no tools, brain-tan hides, etc. (a lot of wild and crazy stuff fits under 'etc.' at that school).

thats awesome sounds like something we should have been taught growing up i think my dad was TOO much of a pothead though to actually get into all that shit though im pretty sure he was taught as a child. valuable stuff for sure i have only just been getting into these past few years.

~Hippie3 · 07-29-09, 09:58

become airborne ranger,

they'll teach you free.

weeeeeee · 07-29-09, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Hippie3

become airborne ranger,

they'll teach you free.

my old instructor was a retired ranger heard some brutal tales of their training

firerat · 07-29-09, 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

become airborne ranger,

they'll teach you free.

Well sort of free Hip. You may end up paying with your life.

~Hippie3 · 07-29-09, 10:25

you scared of dying mate ?

firerat · 07-29-09, 10:28

Nada. Had I not gone to jail I'd probably be in the armed forces right now.

I meant like freedom ain't free and all that.

TVCasualty · 07-29-09, 11:22

Or just go to that Tracker School and pay if you don't get accepted into the Rangers or want to commit to that many years of your life or risk being sent on someone's violent business trip, er I mean sent to war. There was an active-duty Navy SEAL or two in almost every class I've taken, usually some feds, maybe even a local cop. The skills Tom teaches are credible enough for the gov. to pay for their attendance in most cases, and in the late 60's Tom trained SEAL's who eventually went to Vietnam and every single one he trained came back alive. Also at every class I've taken were a half-dozen or so kids with dreads trying to rediscover nature, a handful of bored suburbanites who mostly end up acting like deer caught in headlights, and of course there's always a few wanna-be Great White Hunters in their immaculate Range Rovers who rarely attend more than two classes 'cause their Rover's got dirty.

The Truth. · 07-29-09, 11:58

My little sister joined the marines about a year ago.
I have mixed emotions about it, but above all I'm proud of her (20yrs.)
Hopefully she'll be able to show me some survival tactics when she's back.
I know it isn't like the rangers but they still kick ass and learn a lot about being in the thicket.
She's a driver at the moment.
A bunch of training just to get that far.
Parris Island, SC for months of training, then Lake of the Ozarks, MO for more.
It's cool having a kick-ass lil' sis.
It's going to be interesting to see what survival skills she's gained.

Here's a bad pic of her platoon:

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07-27-09, 23:59	#1 (permalink)
The Truth. is stranger than fiction. Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 485	Man Vs. Wild I love the Discovery channel. Bear Grylls is one helluva guy. I know there's a lot of speculation to the legitimacy of his expeditions but hey, the dude does his thing. Compared to Survivor Man I go with Bear all the way. Anyway, he shows some cool tips for survival at any geographical location you could think of. Definitely some good skills to learn on the show besides being entertaining. The dude drinks his own urine and eats any nutrient rich plant or animal around. As well shows much of what not to eat. Making shelter, fire, which way to go, among other great tips an advice. Bear Grylls : Man vs. Wild : Discovery Channel Call him phony if you want but facts are facts. Damn cool show on the aspects of survival. Njoy __________________ "Each new hour holds new chances for new beginnings. The horizons lean forward, offering space to place new steps of change"

07-28-09, 07:27	#7 (permalink)
firerat Seller of Hose Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,158	Bear cracks me up. I love when he's climbing through some bush or a bog or something and he'll turn to the camera and say, "This is very dangerous, gotta watch my every step. 1 wrong move and it could spell disaster." So you see him struggle to get through it. Meanwhile the guy holding the camera has no issues at all. Just kind of glides through whatever it is they are supposed to be stuck in. Maybe he should be the one explaining all this stuff. I'll admit, Bear for the most part knows what he is talking about and has some interesting ideas. (although a lot of it will probably get you killed if you tried it without proper training) But I like Les a lot better. As stated above, he's more about conserving energy, focusing on shelter, and not taking rediculous risks. That may be due to the fact he doesn't have a camera crew with him. A major screw up for really could be a disaster. Either way, both are fun shows to watch, so to each his own. __________________ I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.

07-28-09, 08:15	#8 (permalink)
TVCasualty Embrace Your Damage Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,376	The title, "Man vs. Wild," already tells me he'd be dead meat in a real survival situation. You can't oppose nature and win, you can only flow with it. Well, you might 'survive' for a time, but you will never thrive. And humans thrived in every environment on Earth this guy would find himself in, so the only reason he or anyone else is uncomfortable or having a rough time of it is because their skills are lacking and they are opposing the natural flow. It's why a well-trained and skilled survivalist was voted off the island so fast on "Survivor" a bunch of seasons ago; the others saw his skills as a threat and they eliminated that threat. Well, he was a threat to any of them winning a million dollars, but that's not survival. Survival requires conservation of energy and cooperation, and if going solo conservation of energy is even more important. I've taken a fair number of survival classes by a world-class expert and tried a lot of what I learned in the field, and if you want to know the real deal go to New Jersey, lol. At the school there in the Pine Barrens, the philosophy is that if you go into wilderness with manufactured tools and equipment, you're just camping. Someone always asks "What about bringing a knife?" Well, if you bring a knife you might as well be barbecuing ribs at a tailgate party outside a football game. In a real life situation, you'd definitely grab a knife or any other tool if you could (not to would be stupid), but for training it's best not to assume you'll have one because as we all know, as soon as we take something for granted, it seems to vanish. These shows are to survival what 70's kung-fu flicks were to street fighting. __________________ First they ignore you; then they mock you; then they punish you; then you win. -Gandhi

07-28-09, 08:26	#9 (permalink)
firerat Seller of Hose Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,158	I never go anywhere without a knife except of cource a courthouse, or on an airplane, etc... And of course, due to our friend Murphy, the one time I really need my knife to survive, I won't have it. You're right, the best survival tool someone can have is the one between their ears. I've seen people just go camping with 3 truckloads of equipment, all the pretty shit they sell at Bass Pro, and because of a little rain, could not get a fire started. Survival is about adapting and improvising. Use what you have and can find. If you're not sure, don't take a risk. (i.e. drink questionable water, eat berries you're not sure about) These shows are only helpful if you are in exactly the same situation with exactly the same resources as the guys in them. __________________ I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.

07-28-09, 00:35	#2 (permalink)
orgonebox cocksucker Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 124	Sure, Bear demonstrates lots of techniques that one might use under various extreme survival situations. He also does lots of unnecessary things - all the way from jumping into rivers to digging a sheep out of a bog. For that reason, I tend to go with Les Stroud, who gives the sage advice of don't sweat, conserve energy, and try to be aware of the resources immediately around you. Man Vs. Wild would be a lot less dodgy if the show would simply explain the edits in time and location. The black hills/badlands/plains episode is a fine example - somehow Bear makes a several-hundred mile journey look seamless, as though he walked from the black hills down into the plains and then on to the badlands, when really, if you check the credits, you can note the hotels he stayed at, as well as a few shoe changes. And all that was in last season, after he'd recanted and admitted that he now has to reveal when the crew helps him do things like gather firewood, provide a wardrobe change, or a nice ride to a hotel. Survivorman only gave us eighteen episodes or so before Les called it quits due to stress, but I think the span reveals the extreme nature of what it takes to survive on your own, and exactly what sort of wit you need about you in order to cope with the situation.

07-28-09, 00:56	#4 (permalink)
orgonebox cocksucker Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 124	Um, Les doesn't have a crew for seven days. He has the gear he has on him plus his cameras. Bear gets ported off to a hotel, or gets to sleep in a tent or bivouac carried by his camera crew. I mean, Bear does show useful techniques for extreme situations, but those situations are often found for him by the crew that accompanies him. Furthermore, the crew is there to bail Bear's shit out if the extreme situation survival technique fails. Seriously, if you're in a survival situation, you want to place yourself at as little risk as possible, which probably precludes a whole host of things shown on MvW. From what I've seen, Bear's show is more about those oh-shit situations. But then again, I've never had to endure a survival situation as depicted in either program, so its all pure speculation to me. Hopefully I'll have some good sense of the land should such a situation arise, and at least a little bit of compass direction. Otherwise, I imagine I'll be vulture fodder. Do something nice with my bones if you find them, okay?

07-28-09, 06:34	#6 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,765	drinking your own urine is a sure-fire way to die of dehydration - way too much salt in it to be any help UNLESS you distill it into pure water. people stuck in lifeboats on the ocean have tried drinking urine, they still died. urine is not a water substitute. better off score tree bark and drinking the sap.

07-28-09, 09:37	#10 (permalink)
Psoulocybe Hoopy Frood Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 824	Bear may be a pretty actor, but If I had to choose a teacher that was going to teach me life skills... I'd look elsewhere. Not to side track your thread even more, but Les Stroud is someone we could all learn from. __________________ Guano! It's got what plants crave! It's Got Electrolytes!

07-28-09, 10:05	#11 (permalink)
mushroommaster7 mycopsychologist Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 897	the British raise their spec ops soldiers well... i agree, he doesn't always need to do backflips into freezing cold water, but hey it's more for your enjoyment sitting on your couch =) __________________ Ginseng Some preparations have resulted in a headache, tremulousness, and manic-like symptoms (Anon, 1989).

07-28-09, 10:14	#12 (permalink)
HUMBLE STUDENT Keeper Of The Spores Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 741	les stroud is the man bear is more of a shock jock i think he does half of what he does just so ppl will watch to see what crazy crap he will do next. i definetly learn more from les and he doesnt go killin anything he can get his hands on only what he has to. __________________ . If pro is the opposite of con .....Is progress the opposite of congress?????

07-28-09, 11:25	#14 (permalink)
Aislyn Wendell Dream Tripper Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 200	I like both, but I really do prefer Les. He's so much more calm and collected. Bear reminds me of a twelve-year-old with ADD sometimes. Anyway, I really liked the film Les Stroud did on living off-grid. Sure, not everyone has the resources and money available to do what he did, but it's still interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg7Ea...965C98&index=0

07-28-09, 11:47	#15 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Botanical-manical Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,252	I personally don't like Bear. Watched him once or twice and that was enough. He bit the head off a live toad, no need for it. He could of just told us that the toad was edible. He's probably already had a few complaints from the animal rights people. I reckon he does have ADD as well. I can't hold a shread of respect for the guy, sorry. I just dont think Mr. Gryll's is ethical in his approach. I havn't seen Les Shroud before though, might have to check him out.

07-28-09, 11:51	#16 (permalink)
The Truth. is stranger than fiction. Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 485	guess i'm solo on this one. __________________ "Each new hour holds new chances for new beginnings. The horizons lean forward, offering space to place new steps of change"

07-29-09, 09:49	#20 (permalink)
weeeeeee humanoid Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,855	i had an intense trip with lucy due to bear it looked like he was shooting vines out of his hands and just running up this cliff and like growling real close to the camera. good times with bear grylls i see a spin off in the works na ok but to be serious about the topic now me and my friend were having this discussion one day during commercial break on his show about how he is just ridiculous and the shit he does is obsurd. well about 5 minutes after that discussion he happens upon a dead camel and proceeds to drink fluids from its innards and climb inside of its carcass which was seemingly inspired by star wars .... yeah enough said

07-29-09, 09:58	#22 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,765	become airborne ranger, they'll teach you free.

07-29-09, 10:25	#25 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,765	you scared of dying mate ?

07-29-09, 10:28	#26 (permalink)
firerat Seller of Hose Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,158	Nada. Had I not gone to jail I'd probably be in the armed forces right now. I meant like freedom ain't free and all that. __________________ I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.

07-29-09, 11:22	#27 (permalink)
TVCasualty Embrace Your Damage Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,376	Or just go to that Tracker School and pay if you don't get accepted into the Rangers or want to commit to that many years of your life or risk being sent on someone's violent business trip, er I mean sent to war. There was an active-duty Navy SEAL or two in almost every class I've taken, usually some feds, maybe even a local cop. The skills Tom teaches are credible enough for the gov. to pay for their attendance in most cases, and in the late 60's Tom trained SEAL's who eventually went to Vietnam and every single one he trained came back alive. Also at every class I've taken were a half-dozen or so kids with dreads trying to rediscover nature, a handful of bored suburbanites who mostly end up acting like deer caught in headlights, and of course there's always a few wanna-be Great White Hunters in their immaculate Range Rovers who rarely attend more than two classes 'cause their Rover's got dirty. __________________ First they ignore you; then they mock you; then they punish you; then you win. -Gandhi

07-29-09, 11:58	#28 (permalink)
The Truth. is stranger than fiction. Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 485	My little sister joined the marines about a year ago. I have mixed emotions about it, but above all I'm proud of her (20yrs.) Hopefully she'll be able to show me some survival tactics when she's back. I know it isn't like the rangers but they still kick ass and learn a lot about being in the thicket. She's a driver at the moment. A bunch of training just to get that far. Parris Island, SC for months of training, then Lake of the Ozarks, MO for more. It's cool having a kick-ass lil' sis. It's going to be interesting to see what survival skills she's gained. Here's a bad pic of her platoon: __________________ "Each new hour holds new chances for new beginnings. The horizons lean forward, offering space to place new steps of change"

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