homestead guns - the .22LR

[chimp]

Edit: it is a ROHM Model 66 .22 caliber 6 shot revolver.

[M&M420]

Indeed the .22 LR is a great gun.It has come in handy quite few times.Although I must say I love the 12 gauge.I just bought it about a month ago and love it.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Beastmaster

proper handling of a firearm shouldn't result in almost blown off heads, despite the hairiness of the trigger.... just sayin...

well, in theory
you're absolutely correct.

hilarious video btw but
wifey'd cut my dick off
and throw it to the hogs
if i did that shit.

in her 'defense'
the time she fired a round
about an inch from my head
was the very first time
she'd ever touched a loaded gun.

and it is was a HAIR-TRIGGER,
ain't bullshittin' bout that none.

[Heisenberg]

I got a pair of double deuce autoloader rifles. The first is a Marlin 795 mag fed with a laser. The other is a Western Field tube fed made back in the '60's. I shot a mouse with the Marlin in my room with a shotshell. The little fucker kept darting around like he was taunting me til I popped a cap in his ass.

[masterplain88]

so i got one of those cheap savage 22. lr on a trade. funn for country shooting. i havent shot 22 in years latly just been dear hunting with the 12ga magnum remengiton shot gun. it been afew years since i have baught 22, round at was wounder were the cheap prices are for buying bulk i found one but it diddnt seem so cheap maybe prices went way up sence i remember. i have checked cheaper than dirt there price is ok i guess for buying boxes but im thinkin of a a case of shells.
any other sites to look at would be nice.


thanks,
masterplain88

[rocketman]

You can buy cans or bricks of CCI Stingers in .22lr for around 80 bucks. I think the stingers are by far the best .22lr cartridge, and the Yellow Jackets from Remington a good bit back in 2nd place.

Stinger HP 32gr. 1640 FPS from muzzle so they will pretty much obliterate any attacking hordes of tin cans. There are many good brands of .22 lr you can get pretty cheap.


The problem now is finding ANY cheap ammo thats any good. Most of the cheaper priced sites are sold out.

70 plus shipping at amazon from cabelas.

http://www.amazon.com/Bulk-Stinger-S...2815099&sr=8-2
expensive, but comes with a dry ammo storage case.

Wallyworld is by far the best for .22lr prices, and they sell decent cartridges.

I recommend you getting a couple of boxes of 50 or so to see which ones your gun likes best. Once you figure it out you should buy a brick or a case.

[masterplain88]

yes sounds good havnt used 22 in years. so im deff checking out a couple packs of diffrent brand.

[pharmer]

www.shotgunnews.com

have a look here. if you're into guns there's something here for you

[dreadydavo]

i hate when them dang cans attack, especially in hordes.

[Sideshow]

Originally Posted by rocketman

I recommend you getting a couple of boxes of 50 or so to see which ones your gun likes best. Once you figure it out you should buy a brick or a case.

Good advice here. Firearms can be picky when it comes to ammo, especially .22's. Try as many brands and weights as you can to find the 2 or three kinds that group the best. Then, buy a good supply of those brands, prefferably from the same lot of ammunition. Like Rocketman, I think the CCI brand is a good place to start.

[director of sound]

stingers are good but i love and will not waver from the remington subsonic hollow points. superbly accuret in a ruger 10/22 aqnd will still take down a small doe at 50M.

[Hippie3]

better not be shooting deer with a .22
that's not good, more likely just wound the poor thing.

[Heisenberg]

Would a subsonic actually penetrate the hide of a deer? They only travel like 700 fps. And do they cycle in an autoloader like a 10/22? I can't get subsonics to cycle the bolt fully in my Marlin and Western Field. It always jams and I gotta manually cycle it. (Subsonics are GREAT for shooting phone books indoors!!)

[SilvrHairDevil]

If I might be permitted a bit of a brag here...

A few weeks ago I went along with buddy to his uncle's ranch to sight in his deer rifle for the hunting season.

He had an open sight .22 also, gave it to me and I potted a couple cans 20' away with it, even though the last time I did any shooting was 30 or 40 years ago.

Then he told me to take a shot at the most distant target (about 2'X3') he had set up 300 yards away and uphill, to boot.

I leaned on the hood of the pickup, held way above it and fired. About a second later, there was a Thwack as the bullet hit.

The look on his face was priceless when we later drove over to pick up the targets and there was my little .22 hole in the corner.

I'd give long odds against my being able to do that again.

[BotanyPhD]

Yes they cycle in mine. I use shorts on rats and have to hand load them one at a time without a magazine and they do no cycle. I remember years back I had a single shot .22lr that shot a really cool round called a .22 BB cap. That was a raelly quiet round that had a bit of smack to it.

Does anyone have an "adult" air gun? I have taken a liking to them but have not bought one yet. They basically shoot a .50 cal black powder round with compressed air. There are U Tube vids of them taking big game. Neat concept and no powder to jack around with.

[pharmer]

Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Would a subsonic actually penetrate the hide of a deer? They only travel like 700 fps. And do they cycle in an autoloader like a 10/22? I can't get subsonics to cycle the bolt fully in my Marlin and Western Field. It always jams and I gotta manually cycle it. (Subsonics are GREAT for shooting phone books indoors!!)

in this application one would be aiming for the eye, gory but true

[Hippie3]

WTF ?
trying to take a deer
by shootiing it in the eye
with a .22
is inhumane, irresponsible and illegal to boot.
here, have some bad rep for suggesting such a horrible idea.

[Burger]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

WTF ?
trying to take a deer
by shootiing it in the eye
with a .22
is inhumane, irresponsible and illegal to boot.
here, have some bad rep for suggesting such a horrible idea.

In my neck of the woods it is illegal to hunt deer with any round smaller than .243 and rightly so imo

[Burger]

My bunny gun.....

CZ (Česká zbrojovka) 452-2E ZKM STYLE .22 bolt action, equipped with Nikko Stirling 3-9 x 40 Silver Crown variable scope.

Synthetic stock with nickel plated barrel, threaded for sound suppressor. VERY accurate small game weapon

[pharmer]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

WTF ?
trying to take a deer
by shootiing it in the eye
with a .22
is inhumane, irresponsible and illegal to boot.
here, have some bad rep for suggesting such a horrible idea.

I'm not endorsing the idea merely relaying it. The physiological fact of this matter is that this much trauma to the eye all by itself will cause the animal to drop long enough to finish the job. If the aim was correct the projectile would continue through to the brain and kill the animal outright.

This matters because the nice man I quoted asked about the 22's ability to puncture the hide.

How is this any less humane than blasting his lungs into oatmeal with a .30 cal?

H3 you surprise me with your caliber prejudice

Now, if this expalnation isn't enough I beg for karmic forgiveness.

[Hippie3]

don't accuse me of prejudice-
that implies that i'm ignorant of the facts.

it's just bullshit to claim
'The physiological fact of this matter is that this much trauma to the eye all by itself will cause the animal to drop long enough to finish the job'

i don't buy the 'im just relaying the info' disclaimer-
i hold you responsible for what you post.
period.

[masterplain88]

use a .22 for shooting anything larger than a squirl is inhumain. use the correct gun for the correct purposes. shooting somthing that big with a small gun would be done to watch somthing suffer that is not right.
peace,
masterplain88

[pharmer]

guys I am not ignorant of the facts. I've seen this done, with my own eyes. It works and it's as valid a survival tool as any other.

please hold me accountable for the statement. I'm not shying away from it. I'm stating facts. If they offend the problem isn't mine.

I'm done with this. Let's get back to growing bigger flushes.

[Hippie3]

you're incorrect-
if you offend
the problem indeed is yours.
i can see to that much here.

[Soliver]

Originally Posted by catdaddy

That's why you need both a shotgun AND a rifle!

I've got an old "Savage Arms" turkey rifle... it's a 20 ga on bottom and a
.22 magnum on top - the best of both worlds, as long as you don't need more
than one shot of either It's a good rifle for woods-walkin,' when you aren't
sure what kind of game you'll run into... quail or squirrel, it's good to go...

I also have a Ruger 10/22 which I think every American should own. It's the
AK-47 of the homeowner, IMO - very versatile, cheap, ammo is $13 for 550
rounds at the Evil Empire Mart. Folding drop-in stocks are also now legal to
buy - when I bought it moons ago, "the ban" was still in place and you could
only find drop-in stocks with the wire stock welded in place

My old man gave me a Ruger .22 revolver, single-action, that also came
with a .22 magnum chamber - it's nice, but I do prefer double action.

All of the ruger semi-auto pistols I've ever shot (quite a few, as I was seriously
in the market for one until I experienced this) jammed like a champ unless
we bought high-dollar target ammo for it. The shells I ran through the
10/22 would jam up almost every other round with the pistol, which is a
truly irritating factor in a semi-auto...

Anyone else found a reliable .22 semi auto pistol worth a damn, besides
Ruger? I love the brand for everything else but....

An aside - anyone ever seen those kits you can buy that turns TWO Ruger
10/22's into a mini 2x barrel machine gun? This little crank hooks up to the
unit, firing at a ridiculous rate - THAT's where you'd need a decent
after-market 50 round clip, if one actually exists.

Another aside (I love .22's) - Any luck purchasing the after-market clips
with "steel lips" as opposed to the red "plastic lips" mags? Now that you
can buy them for under $100, I'd like to get one, but only if it'll work
more or less.



soliver

[BotanyPhD]

Soliver the AK-47 of the homeowner? What an awsome relation.. its such the truth!!

[Beastmaster]

Originally Posted by Soliver

Folding drop-in stocks are also now legal to
buy - when I bought it moons ago, "the ban" was still in place and you could
only find drop-in stocks with the wire stock welded in place

I thought that only applied to centerfire rifles.

[Soliver]

Not from my experience - the catalogs now carry the folding models, as well as internet
sites, but during the Clinton era, they were all welded or not offered at all...



soliver

[Hippie3]

yeah, i think that's correct

[growurown]

quote (anyone ever seen those kits you can buy that turns TWO Ruger
10/22's into a mini 2x barrel machine gun? This little crank hooks up to the
unit, firing at a ridiculous rate - THAT's where you'd need a decent
after-market 50 round clip, if one actually exists.)


yeah i have in cabelas awhile back. It was like 400 hundred bucks minus the two barrels. Seemed pretty cool and was not considered automatic.

.22 is a good caliber, you can use it on any small game.
I thought the ar7 was cool until i shot it. For the money its a pretty shitty gun IMO but it is meant to be small and lightweight.
I think the .22 cricket would be a good survival gun. its small, but simple to operate. Only single shot but if you miss them sitting there what do you think your chances are with them on the run. And its like half the price of the ar7.

[Hippie3]

look up
bump fire
Bump_fire

[potatocore]

with a .22 was a skate. its like a giant alaska ray that eats pollock. nasty bastards... i was halibut fishing by soldotna.

[heritage ranch]

my favorite 22 handgun is hands down a S&W j-frame 3.5 inch barrel in stainless. now what makes mine special is i started with the 22mag j-frame and then took it to my smith and had him fit a 22lr cylinder. now i just remove 1 small screw and can switch between 22lr and 22 mag. for plinking and poking around i use the 22lr but when i go in the back country i use the 22mag.

it is light weight, indestructible and very accurate. it is a lot like the ruger convertable 6 shooter but it is double action and you can reload with speedloaders very fast. it does not scatter your brass all over and if you cant kill it with six rounds of 22 mag, you shouldnt be shooting at it

[growurown]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

look up
bump fire
Bump_fire

that was pretty cool i will admit that but not really a good idea when shtf. Im going to be using it for food. Make them bullets last as long as possible.

[Hippie3]

try it on a .40 handgun,
fast way to clear a room
if needed.
true 'nuff it's an ammo eater,
i'd just master the skill
but then almost never need it.
but on the one-in-a-million chance i need it
then it's good to know.
knowledge is power.

[GunPuppy]

I'm a bit of a gun nut so I do own a few .22's... I have a marlin model 81, model 60, a 10/22 (which is one of my faves now that I installed an aftermarket bolt release) a High Standard sentinel .22 revolver and on the more tacticool side of things a spikes tactical .22 AR upper.
I've yet to try hunting with any of them though I think I may sign up for a hunter safety course this year so I can go out during wabbit season some day.

As for bump firing as some kind of tacticooL advantage I dunno. It is possible to bump fire from the shoulder instead of the hip but not with a whole lot of accuracy. In a situation where I would need full auto fire (or simulated full auto fire) I think I'd just avoid the room instead.

Oh and on a side note apparently there is a company developing a 500 round magazine for the 10/22 http://www.rhinoarms.com/purchase_products.php I think I'll wait until I hear how it performs before picking one up though

[Hippie3]

lol
who gives a shit, not trying to sell bump fire triggers, just spreading knowledge.

[Oblivion]

.22 is one of those firearms you just cant do without. Up front cost, ammo cost, accuracy, and quiet report especially if using short rounds in a rifle. Powderless rounds are near silent in a rife and powerful enough to drop a rabbit. One of the finest most versatile weapons out there, excluding the human mind of course.

[heritage ranch]

Originally Posted by Oblivion

.22 is one of those firearms you just cant do without. Up front cost, ammo cost, accuracy, and quiet report especially if using short rounds in a rifle. Powderless rounds are near silent in a rife and powerful enough to drop a rabbit. One of the finest most versatile weapons out there, excluding the human mind of course.

dont get me wrong, i love the lil 22 rim fires. cheap(er) and a very versitle round. but very difficult to reload. in a worst case scenario supplies of ammo disappear real fast. remember what the gun store shelves looked like aftre inauguration day?

my choice would be the 22 hornet. this lil round can be down loaded to the same level as the lil 22bbcaps and can be hot rodded up way past the 22rimfire magnum. and if the shtf i would rather deal with rebuilding small primers than rimfire shells

but for average homestead type use i love my rimfires

[Beastmaster]

Making your own primers is gonna be way more difficult than swabbing the inside of used .22lr shells.

At about $30 for 500 rounds, its pretty easy to stockpile a massive number of these lil bullets. 500 rounds of .223 would cost me a couple hundred dollars. A couple hundred dollars spent on .22lr would get me something like 5000 rounds maybe more if I find someone selling bulk.

[Hippie3]

and really, why waste a .223 on a possum ?
the vast majority, by far, of your real gun experiences-
other than target shooting-
will be varmits, critters , snakes, snapping turtles.
rarely, if ever, will you kill a lion, bear or a man.
so a plentiful supply of .22LR is economically sensible.

[heritage ranch]

Originally Posted by Beastmaster

Making your own primers is gonna be way more difficult than swabbing the inside of used .22lr shells.

you would still need to reprime the 22 and the rimfire is much harder to do succesfully since you would have to get the priming compound into the rim. and most do it your self priming compounds are much harder to ignite and rimfire guns dont have as good a firing pin impact. very easy to knock the firing pin dent out of a primer cup and refill it with home brew primer compound and repalce the anvil


not something i want to do, but it is something i can do in a LONG TERM survival situation. hope it never comes to that

also i was refering to the much smaller 22 hornet, not the 223, dont know if that was clear. the 22 hornet is small enough that it can be chambered in the same action as the rimfires. makes for a nice small light and quick cycling gun

[Hippie3]

REAL long-term survival would likely boil back down to
gunpowder,
the medieval way.

[heritage ranch]

yep got a recipe for that as well, home made black (brown) powder is not hard to make, just gota be REAL carefull if you know what i mean

[growurown]

i wanna know more about homebrew black powder.
I have a inline that take 209 primers. that would work right?

[heritage ranch]

Originally Posted by growurown

i wanna know more about homebrew black powder.
I have a inline that take 209 primers. that would work right?

here are a couple quick links to get you started. plenty more info out there if you dig around. i would highly recommend you read as much as you can before you play with it.


http://www.musketeer.ch/blackpowder/homemade_bp.html


http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/foxfire5.html


http://www.skylighter.com/fireworks/...ack-powder.asp


just a taste of primer stuff
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i.../t-113826.html

[growurown]

thanks man

[Glasshopper]

LLama XV

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by growurown

i wanna know more about homebrew black powder.
I have a inline that take 209 primers. that would work right?

be aware that static electricity, even a passing thunderstorm,
can set off gunpowder.

[Decon]

Originally Posted by chimp

My grandfather left my mother a .22 revolver in his will and I now have it..I can't make out the name and haven't done any research..I can see that it was made in Germany and it is obviously pretty old since he died in the 50's

There is an RG on the right side of the grip. Maybe I should try and find out the maker of the gun. I edited out the ID number on the bottom..there's no scratch on it.

Sounds like it may be an old Ruger. Sounds cool!