Ayahuasca Process with a Crockpot and Jello

[LotRev]

Hello there,

If one were to hypothetically brew an ayahuasca admixture
with a crockpot or slow cooker, what temperature would
the cooker need to be at to properly extract the brew?

The setting should be on low I believe, but I was trying to
get a real good reading on temperatures.

The hypothetical process would involve a brew of:
Ayahuasca Vine (Banisteriopsis Caapi )
Syrian Rue (Peganum Harmala)
Chaliponga (Diplopterys Cabrerana)
Hawaiian Chacruna (Psychotria Viridis)

I am unsure of the amounts of each at this time (still debating).
Any suggestions to a first timer with a bit of experience in the
psychedelic realm (including DMT) and someone who doesn't mind
losing it for the entire night?

This combination might be for the more experienced, so perhaps
a lesser mixture would be appropriate, although I don't mind
diving head first into hypothetical situations. Any thoughts?


Pretty simple process:

Soak the Ayahuasca for a number of hours in hot water
Twist and break up the Aya vine, then cut into smaller pieces, then grind

Grind and powder all other materials, and add to crockpot

Add distilled water, as much as necessary to fill pot with all materials inside
Add lemon juice for acidity (a couple tablespoons)

Add Ayahuasca to the mixture along with the water it was soaked in

Do three washes this way with cheesecloth filtration between washes
Run each wash for about 24 hours

Combine washes, heat to near boil
Add Jello to mixture, hope for globs to form
Refridgerate, separating layers of gunk and good

Dispose of gunk (Jello)

Drink the brew.


Hypothetically, of course, what do you think?

This is almost an exact replication of the hippie-does-ayahuasca (hippie does ayahuasca) thread.

[Myc]

I've read quite a lot of stuff regarding what you're proposing and have drawn no real conclusions myself. Not sure I entirely understand the process. I would imagine the crock pot temp. should be set to "low" based upon all of the various recipes I've read tho.
Should you go through with it, please post your hypothetical results (good or bad). I'm very interested in cutting through the mystery regarding this process.
It seems that you can find tons of recipes for 'shroom tea, cactus tea, complex A/B extractions for mescaline (some requiring a degree in chemistry), etc. which state clearly "I've done this and it works great". Regarding ayahuasca brews, I have yet to see such a statement or even a consistently endorsed recipe.
Good luck with your hypothesis and please post your findings.

[~Hippie3]

you should read the link then
because i clearly state my brew does work.

[LotRev]

Originally Posted by Myc

It seems that you can find tons of recipes for 'shroom tea, cactus tea, complex A/B extractions for mescaline (some requiring a degree in chemistry), etc. which state clearly "I've done this and it works great". Regarding ayahuasca brews, I have yet to see such a statement or even a consistently endorsed recipe.
Good luck with your hypothesis and please post your findings.

I think it may seem this way because the brew can be tweaked in so
many ways with so many ingredients. Everyone has their own favorite
flavor or is trying to achieve certain effects within the experience. Their
are a range of teks from a simple boil the vine and drink, to all kinds of
complex admixture formulas meant to take you where you are trying to
go.

[~Hippie3]

true 'nuff.
but the basic recipe of
shredded caapi vine and viridis leaves
brewed slowly over low heat for a few days
in acidified water
will certainly work
assuming enough is used/brewed.

where many go wrong is trying to get by
using a bare minimum amount of materials,
primarily due to the cost factor.

but that's poor judgement in it neglects
to account for the high variability of alkaloid content in vegetation
as well as factors like the fineness of the grind, freshness of materials ,
exact ph used , temp and length of the brewing, etc.

my advice is to always brew at least 2-3 'doses' worth
at a time just in case more is needed for a breakthrough.

so instead of using 1 ounce of caapi and 1 ounce of viridis in a brew,
toss in say a quarter pound [ 4 ounces ] of each,
and if you have it
throw in a little rue and chaliponga too,
in the 'huasca realm more = better ,
in the jungle they brew big cauldrons
with enough for dozens to imbibe for a week long vision.

[LotRev]

Thanks for the tips!

Supplies aren't abundant, but there is plenty enough to follow
the brew from your thread Hip, so I think I will do that...

Was your syrian rue amount plenty?
Would you suggest any adjustments to that formula?

[AndyLandy420]

heres how i do it and it never fails. i dont really see the point of small batches so i guesstimate a gram ammount of each ingredient for a single nights ass wompin dose and multiply everything by 10. i dont want to mention vendors but my usual brew consists of syrian rue and mimosa hostilis. i usually stick to the same vendors but the ratio of rue to mimosa never really changes too much. i will guesstimate it takes 5g rue and 15g mimosa, i always go 1:3 rue:mimosa no matter the size of the batch, my usual is 100g rue and 300g mimosa, that yields between a half gallon to a gallon of mondo potent brew, like 3 shots and your leavin your body.
so weigh up all your ingredients and grind them to dust with a coffee grinder. put them in a large crockpot and add the following like 4 oz lemon juice, 2Tbs ginger powder, 1Tbs cinamin powder, and 10g ascorbic acid(vitamin C) (thats about how much i put for my avg batch size; 100g rue 300g mimosa) the vitC is especially vital in my opinion. add water until everything can be mixed easily, i like to mix it up real good and leave it on super low all night, the next day i crank it to high and stir til it steams, once i see plenty of steam i dump the whole pot through a fairly course stainless steel screen thats bowl-shaped the screen/bowl is sitting in a funnel sitting in a gallon glass jug(i use glass cuz the liquid will be very hot). i fill the screen up and use a spoon to squeeze all the juice out, once the screen is full of dryish plant matter i scoop that matter out and save it in a bowl for the next pull, keep adding more muck to the screen until you have an empty pot and a bowl full of dryish plant muck. then add more water and repeat until you've done 3 or more pulls, you will notice the liquid will get more and more clear everytime and when it hardly changes the color of the water anymore than you've done it. throw the exhuasted plant matter away. you should have between 2 and 3 gallons of diluted ayahuasca. i like to let the jugs sit for 24 hours so all the silt that passed through the screen settles to the bottom and you can decant the liquid away from it (pour slowly to remove all liquid and leave silt behind). pour the (now) solid free liquid into the pot (clean) and reduce it on low to medium heat, since it is completely solid free there is nothing sitting on the bottom and therefore is far less likely to burn. while the bulk of the liquid is reducing i like to add fresh water to the silt jugs and shake them up and then let them settle again, depending on how dank the water looks after settleage i might do this a few times, i like to overkill everything. ok after the silt is free of goodies toss it too. so now you have a pot with nothing but water and things that are water soluable (the goods), i turn the burner on just high enough that i see a little steam and point a fan at it, stir as often as you can, it takes a long time to boil off 2 gallons of water so just get a feel for how long it can be left unatended before it forms skin, if you check on it and it has skin you left it alone a little too long, check more often. once you get down to about a half gallon or so then it will need prettymuch constant attention, it starts to get a little thicker and more inclined to burn. i usually go for max concentration, i turn the burner to high medium and stir constantly until its looks noticabley thicker than water, im not talking thick as syrup but not as thin as water, its done! pour it into your final storage vessal, (maybe even run it through a shirt to be sure remove any hair or anything that may have floated in during the long boil-down). serve warm, for longterm storage go with the freezer. since its potency is unknown start with like 1/4 to 1/2 oz and wait an hour to see what ya see before you take more, take it slow cuz if you used decent ingredients and didnt burn it, it will be holy hella potent.

-I have tried most every method of brewing ayahuasca (phosphoric, acetic, HCl) and this method yields by far the strongest ayahuasca i've ever seen and its cake, lemon and vitC are not harmfull so the worst case scenario if you use too much is extra awful taste. i hate having things like "did i use too much phosphoric acid?" or "OH god i hope all the HCl is gone!" run through my head when i am trippin.
-I tried the gelatin thing many a times and i would never use it again, it most definetly did not help the flavor and it just made the brew go all chunky/nasty when it gets cold, i saw no real benefit to using gelatin and its not really natural as far brewing an ancient sacrement in the jungle goes.
-you would think the goal of good brew is not to cause nausea but this is NOT the case. if you didnt purge then you didnt experience ayauhasca. the purge is as integral to the experience as anything else you feel. ive had people take 5 shots of strong brew and feel little to nothing and then next time they take 1 shot of the same brew and purge it they are unable to speak, unable to move, trippin infinitly harder than they were on 5 shots. the purge is a must, dont look at it as a bad thing, its absolutely necassary.
- the recipe listed above will yield brew that will taste worse than doom and it will curdle your guts like nothing you've ever experienced. it is made that way on purpose. drink it, do whatever you have to to keep it down for 20min (bare minimum 15min) and let it fly, if i somehow am not nauseas enough to let er fly then i will get some brew on my finger, go stand by the toilet and take a nice big whiff of it, thats usually does it, maybe take a little taste. you simply must vomit if you want the full ayahuasca experience, anyone experienced with ayahuasca will tell the trip goes 1000 times crazier right after the purge, this crazy rise in intensity is accompanied by the amazing relief of getting that gut-wrenching juice OUT. its amazing
- but anyway thats how i do it, if you want to know more just ask.

[LotRev]

Thanks so much Andy...

After reading the first line, I remembered that you're crazy

No, but really, that all sounds good- nice and simple also

I have heard very little about the geletin use in way of it is better
or worse until now. Hip said his was excessively sweet, so I figured
Lime would be the way to go, but now I think I may go for what might
be the more pure method with no Jello.

You prefer the mimosa eh? Well I'm sure you've got plenty of that
laying around anyway...

I'm out of mimosa, and would prefer the more generic brew the first
time anyhow.

I have heard people say that the purge is a must, and purging doesn't
really bother me-I have always enjoyed the rush just after a good purge,
although the actual purging can be a pain sometimes. I do think though
that many people have reported positive results without the purge. I would
bet that puking brings out all kinds of other chemicals in your body, which
may intensify the experience, plus you always feel better after that.


btw Andy: I have always wanted to tell you how much your avatar creeps
me out...I mean really, a face made of DMT? That's pretty creepy.

[AndyLandy420]

yeah i was totally not impressed by the jello method. its not so much that i prefer the mimosa but its strong as shit and good chacruna is hard to come by. and yes i do have loads of it laying usually. same thing with rue, i dont prefer it but its potent and cheap. i did make some purely authentic brew (meaing just caapi and chacruna) and it was amazing, the caapi feeling is so much smoother than the rue. the only thing was, it was expensive and didnt go to far cuz you had to drink lots of it. if you have a good connect for high quality caapi then its the shit. i never noticed too much difference in effects between mimosa or chacruna other than taste but caapi is most definetly better than rue, i can trip so mega hard on caapi and love it, but sometimes on rue i cant stop thinking about dying for some reason, rue is a rocky road. oh yeah the purge itself sucks, intensly unpleasant for me usually. but its so worth it. i always imagine the brew like a sponge, it goes into your body and sucks up evil negative energy and whathaveyou and then you throw that crap up and feel amazing. sometimes it doesnt want to come out.
i will take that as a complement, i love that pic, i was just having too much fun scraping it around to vial it up, hence DMT-man was born.

[LotRev]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

i will take that as a complement, i love that pic, i was just having too much fun scraping it around to vial it up, hence DMT-man was born.

Definitely a compliment!

[LotRev]

Well, I think if I were going to do this, in theory, I would brew like this:

114 grams - Ayahuasca Vine (Banisteriopsis Caapi)
112 grams - Hawaiian Chacruna (Psychotria Viridis)
10 grams - Syrian Rue (Peganum Harmala)
28 grams - Chaliponga (Diplopterys Cabrerana)

The dose would be one half of the brew...

I think this brew would be able to thoroughly inhibit the mao with
both harmaline and harmine (is that right?), and have plenty of DMT
to increase visions greatly.

What do you guys think?

I would be taking Andy and Hips suggestions of a strong brew,
and hopefully wouldn't be wasting all of the supply with a dud.

[AndyLandy420]

sounds plenty strong to me, just go the extra mile whenever you see a chance, lotsa pulls, boil it down plenty, keep a close eye on it, just follow your heart. good luck dude

[~Hippie3]

i'm sorry to say
but i just don't buy into that
you-gotta-puke-to-be-authentic stuff,
that's why i use gelatin.
while the taste is still horrid
i have managed several purge-less experiences
that were still quite strong.
and of course
i don't believe that one can vomit out
'evil negative energy' [whatever that is]
so i see little point in puking if i can avoid it.
extra ditto for screaming diarhea .

[LotRev]

I don't think the purge is necessary for the experience either, although
I say that with no experience, BUT...

It seems like with every experience (drug) you have a crowd who is all
about a certain ritualistic approach (as if purging is a ritual) - this seems
especially true with Ayahuasca since it is considered to be so spiritually
dense.

I think the ideas that you must do this or do that to get the "real" experience
tend to make some people feel alienated (and not intentionally). It says to
the person with a different experience: "you didn't do it right" or "you didn't
get it" when of course, we can't figure that out for someone else in most
cases.

This mentality is found in all walks of life though...
and I certainly don't think Andy is trying to alienate anyone, but perhaps
he believes that he cannot get that experience without the purge (and thus
must assume the same for everyone, because there is no other point
of reference than himself really).

I think it has to do with the advancing technologies and the clash it appears
to create with the ancient ritual...where in reality, I think we should be
using our advances in technology to better our rituals.

It reminds me of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance...

Much like that FAQ you posted from ayahuasca.com Hip, which goes into
detail of how you should be doing it, even though the simple brews
are posted, the poster insists that there is a correct way to approach it
and you should not just brew because there is a recipe, which I agree with
to a certain extent (mainly for the protection of my rights to order and brew
the stuff).

I think if we find a way not to crash and burn while having an experience,
then that method should be used at will. But I am thrilled to hear someone
state that they specifically do no like the geletin tek, just because I have
not really heard much opinion on it.

Hip, you like it to take away the nausea right?
but do you like the way it changes the physical form of the brew?
How is the texture?


I realize lots of people ignore comments with reference to this guy,
but ohh well...
I will note that Terence McKenna suggested that the actual
purge substance may even be the sort of substance that actually forms
the universe, and some shaman may use it as a tool...staring into the
morphing liquids to gain vision.

I personally think that the experience can be achieved without the purge,
similar to the use of DMT snuff vs DMT freebase...why would you burn the
shit out of your nose and throat when you can easily inhale the substance
through smoke, and the same effect is achieved? Although Andy is saying
that the effect is not achieved without the purge, but to each his own, and
experience be the master of the decisions we make.

All in all, I don't mind purging, but I also don't mind not purging, as long
as the experience is achieved.

[AndyLandy420]

yeah i didnt mean to alienate anyone, thats just my opinion, hey hip, lucky you if can get a strong effect and not purge, me and mine rarely get that, i have only gotten the squirts like 2 times from any brew, most people i know dont get em either. the whole 'negative energy' is not something i am stating as fact, its just a thought i have found myself thinking on many occasions when im staring down the toilet and im fuckin scared. the gelatin tek makes complete theoretical sense to me, which is why i tried it so many times to get it right but i never liked the way it turned out. and jello made no difference at all for my nausea/explosive vomit factor. i had a paticular batch of brew made with vinegar as the acid and the gelatin was used, it was impossible for me to keep down, and i dont have a weak stomache, i don't know if it was the vinegar or the gelatin that did it but i never kept a shot down more than 30 seconds, so i dont use gelatin or vinegar anymore. I definetly overstated the whole must purge thing, and i apologize, its just my belief that when using something as powerful as ayahuasca, one should never lose respect (fruity jello is pushin it imo) and for me that means treating it as the ancients did, la purga, i never treat it as a toy, i am there to learn and may the gods not strike me down.

[AndyLandy420]

and hip just to see what can be seen, next time you find yourself in a "strong experience", try purging and see what happens

[~Hippie3]

oh i've purged before, many times.
i started drinking 'huasca long before i stumbled over the tannin-protein interaction,
i was looking for a way NOT to purge, thank you.
please do not confuse my distaste for projectile vomiting
with inexperience
as that isn't the case.
i will concede that one often gets a 'rush' of intensity
right after vomiting,
proly because of the adrenal system kicking in,
but then again a 'rush' of intensity can come along
without vomiting too.
to each, his own.
it's just hard for me to enjoy myself when i'm feeling so nauseous
so i prefer to neutralize some of those nasty tannins with some nice protein.

i'll agree with you wholeheartedly about vinegar though, it's the worst.
i much prefer lemon juice.

[AndyLandy420]

to each his own, thats the name of the game.

[~Hippie3]

btw
i'd love an exposition
on just how fruity jell-o might offend the ancient gods ?
is it zeus who is the jell-o hater
or perhaps athena ?
ishtar or ares ?
i get so confused...
do all the flavors show a lack of respect
or is it just the fruity ones ?

oh yeah,
on the whole loin cloth issue,
are cotton Haynes ok
or should i skin a jaguar or perhaps a stag ?

i'm just fuckin' with ya.

[AndyLandy420]

i can't really explain why i feel that way but i always try to stay serious with all aspects of the brew. i never thought about trippin attire before but i will think about it. i can see using gelatin if it has a specific purpose in the brew but using blueberry jello seems too much like making vodka jello shots or some shit and lookin to get fucked up and party. i really don't know much about the traditonal 'way' ayahuasca is used but whenever i see a chance to go in that direction i try to do it. it would seem to me that if i vomitted fruity blue goo then it would all seem to be a joke or something.

[~Hippie3]

seriousness is highly over-rated, imo.
i'd sooner laugh at the spirit of ayahuasca
before i'd bow down and kiss its' ass.
guaranteed.

i'm not really concerned about how using jell-o LOOKS,
i don't take ayahuasca because i'm seeking approval, validation.
if someone thinks i'm just trying to get fucked up and party hearty
well then that's their problem, not mine.
i just don't care what they think
when i'm the guy hurling up my guts.

[chrissbl]

This is what I do. I buy some inner root bark of Mimosa Hostilis( highest dmt concentration) and I use Syrian rue for the MAOI. I measure out 15grams mimosa and 5grams syrian. I put both in seperate pots. I boil the mimosa with a touch of lemon and the same with the syrian. I boil both seperatly and strain the plant matter. Now I have a dark purple dmt mixture and a yellow syrian mixture. I boil down to a drinkable amount and that is it.....Preety simple.....Take the Syrian first then the Mimosa. I have had some really really intense visuals so much so I could not walk and all I could do was mumble "this is so intense" and played the CD over and over as I programmed myself...Its an a trip all right

[LotRev]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

i don't take ayahuasca because i'm seeking approval, validation.

I hope no one is...

but "seriously" that leads me to ask this question...

Why DO you take ayahuasca Hip?

[AndyLandy420]

Why DO you take ayahuasca Hip?

i was gunna say the same thing

[~Hippie3]

because i can ?
because i want to ?
because i like it ?
seriously
no, i mean that
SERIOUSLY-
i still do it now because
[drumroll please]
it's the only 'drug'
where the hang-over makes one feel better -
it's medicine, that's why.

and as the good lady mary poppins said
a spoonful of sugar
helps the medicine go down.

[tregar]

Hippie3 said:

it's the only 'drug'
where the hang-over makes one feel better
it's medicine, that's why.

Very true.

[LotRev]

I don't suppose we would ever get to read a post of an in depth "Hip trip" on ayahuasca would we?

[~Hippie3]

man, trip is right. some of my visions are hard to explain and others have been nightmares and others had the much-mentioned jungle motif, complete with jaguars and monkeys. often i lie in bed, curled into fetal position and do a half-trip half-dream thing where i kinda float in and out between the two states, intermixing vision and dream. some i see but don't understand. like one where i encounted a 'being' that claimed to be the spirit of gold, whatever the fuck that means. i had a glimmer of understanding briefly but lost it. then there was the time that these insectoid-lizard creatures told me that they were the masters of the universe and we puny humans had better get used to staying on earth because the rest of the universe was already taken. but then i hear those guys are huge liars so i don't know what to think.

[PsychoDrogue]

i think thats one of the first posts of yours i've noticed without your usual format. lol.

i understand that glimmer with my own visions. never a gold spirit. but yeah... i hate it how you can never hold onto the stuff that seems important (at least at the time its occuring)

[tregar]

Awesome, thanks hippie3.

[LotRev]

Thanks Hippie!

It seems a little bit rare to hear of your experiences, so I really appreciate
that.

Do you move in and out of dream state on mushrooms also? I go to that
place when I'm dosing high on mushrooms, in and out of dream state...I think.
It can be very hard to distinguish the two sometimes, and there are lots of
times when I am not sure if I was ever sleeping or not.

Do you ever play with out of body experience?

[AndyLandy420]

maybe i'll give it a try...

i do agree wholeheartidly about the hangover being pleasureable.

I kinda base my beliefs in seriousity on the few times where i treated ayahuasca and/or DMT as a drug, as a toy, as a game, it scared me shitless and let me know straitup style that it was not to be fucked with in that way, not saying fruity jello is fuckin with it but you know i am getting at. it seems to me that if I respect it then it will scare me shitless less. and on the issue of the purge, i actually don't mind it that much, i mean its horrible during but i would rather go through the anguish and horrors of projectile vomitting and feel i had earned the beauty bestowed upon me afterwards then just get there easy style. plus, i dunno how everyone else's digestive sytem works but if I work really hard to not purge and end up avoiding it, then HOLY SHIT will there be some runs the next day, all day!

[chrissbl]

Despite what people might say. I take ayhuasca due to spirtual reasons. Yes there is a purpose for this. I probably do this maybe 1 week out of the year. Not everday or every month. Thats insane. Last time I took it. I spoke to my Dead Uncle. He was pissed at me because I have everything he lost. He died in a horrible car accident in Mexico City leaving his wife and daugther of 3 months....He was bitching at me saying in Spanish of course "your an idiot for thinking those thoughts" you have a wife and child and LIFE....he went on to show he his exact moment of death and other things I cannot completely remember..Either if you believe in afterlife or not. It does not matter....Even if that experience by some people was not "real" Whats the harm in having a positive new perspective that changes who you are inside? Though it shows you the ugly the good and the most vial things of yourself. Though for me.....This involves my roots.......hence the name of dmt "the Spirit molecule".....I do believe this chemical like salvia and others....provide insitefull information...for people who doudt this....Im glad you do...Its a first step in self discovery........Unbelieve to believe......

UDV - Entrada do site

Also look at this.....Why would they have a church.....If no spiritual information could be gained..Yes there is a church who uses this as there Host(for those Catholics out there) or Communion..however you believe it to be.....Think about what it means......

You take a body inside your body....You Merge....you become one.......Think about that ...then think about what ayhuasca does ...it merges you.....

[~Hippie3]

that spirit of gold was an interesting experience,
it was like a golden light and it didn't really talk
i more kind of heard its' thoughts in my head.
it was saying something about essences,
that is was kinda like the archetype,
the quintessential essence of what gold symbolizes to us, purity, luxury, excellence, even goodness.
i think it was good, that is, but like i said i didn't really get
a good grasp of what it all meant before it was gone.

i have dream-tripped on shrooms but not so much,
i'm more energized on shrooms, often needing to move, dance
or i get restless, agitated so i don't often get drowsy on them unless i was already sleepy when i dosed.
i've had some OBE as i mention in here-

i ate about 14 dry grams [1/2 ounce] of the shrooms
and also injested about 3 grams of the hash
[ate it too.]
i had this old audio cassette tape of some hindu chants
and another cassette called 'planet drum'
by mickey hart.
i set up my double tape deck to play one after the other and then repeat,
so the music would last all night.
i turned on some mood lighting,
lit some incense
turned off the phone,
bared the doors, closed the curtains
and laid down on my couch,
just listening to the chants and the drums.
at some point in time
my soul left my body and began to travel thru
time and space,
there was an 'angellic' [for lack of a better word] being
that acted as my 'guide',
and it showed me many things
and revealed many secret truths to me.
much of what i learned
the 'angel' told me to never reveal,
and told me no one would believe me anyway,
that i'd only hurt myself if i tried to tell.
so it locked away a large portion of my memory from my conscious access
to protect me.
but i still remember many things
that it said were ok to talk about
although still no one would believe me.
it showed me the entire history of the human race,
it took me back to when life began as some slime on a rock,
and for a million years i lived the life of that slimy rock.
then it began to take me thru a series of incarnations
as various lifeforms as life evolved.
to borrow a phrase,
it showed me a brief history of time.
i saw all my ancestors stretched out like a railroad into the past,
and i saw their abject misery
and heard the cries of a billion lost souls who had suffered in life.
it showed me that we were living in slavery,
but one day we would be free.
as time continued to unfold before my eyes
it began showing me the future,
my own personal destiny as well as that of the universe itself.
i discovered that before i was even born
the things that would eventually kill me
had already been set in motion,
that my death had always been part of my destiny
and there was nothing to fear.
i saw that life and the universe as we know it is an illusion,
just patterns of energy dancing before the eye of god.
i saw that the purpose of the universe
was to become The Greatest Story Ever Told
that life was drama
and we are actors playing a part,
with each of us having our unique thing to do.
i saw that some people play bit parts,
making a brief appearance and die young
or remain a part of the faceless masses,
the audience that watches this drama
being acted out across the time-space matrix.
i saw that some people had leading roles,
and i saw that each of us
got to take turns
playing out each and every role over time,
re-living life in the same vessel so that
each of us knew what it felt like to be a king,
a beggarman, a thief, a cripple, a woman, a child, good, evil, wise, foolish,
a proud father, a grieving mother, a widow, a slave, etc.
we played each role so we could understand that part of the drama fully.
so we could see for ourselves what was right
and what was wrong,
life was an education,
it teaches us.
the bibles have it all wrong,
god doesn't make up rules
and shove them down our throats,
he lets each of us live and learn
so we can discover why
it is better to be good than to be evil,
why one should not murder,
why one should not chase after false gods, etc.
i saw that some religions had come close to the truth
but not one was really right,
the truth was much greater than they thought-
for we are actually what they claim jesus was,
we are god become flesh,
a splinter of the universal conciousness
that will soon return from whence it came,
to be reunited as one but yet many.
i could not stand to look directly into the light that surrounded god,
it was far too bright
but i saw from a distance what looked like a halo
around a star
but as i got closer i realized that
the halo was actually billions of 'angels' dancing
around the light of god
and they were singing to him
their love and admiration.
and i could see the world
and its' problems
and so could the 'angels'.
and i saw angel after angel coming before god
and pleading for him to send them back
so they could help the people of the world.
even though they knew that to become flesh
was to endure agony and death
but their love was so great
that they leaped at the chance
to suffer for others.
and so they threw themselves into the world
and became flesh,
entering the world as a baby
to help work out
the plan of god here.
i saw pure love,
it radiated from god like
sunshine,
i could feel its' soothing warmth
and knew then how utterly safe i was.
and then my guide told me that
i had to go back,
just as i saw the angels doing,
and that i had some work to do.
that god would always be at my side.
and so
i came back
and here i am.

but i'll tell you this- the most intense OBE i ever had was when i was running a very high fever and was delerious, not dosing at all.
i guess i don't talk much about the trips because for me it's not about what kinda cool shit i can see, or what kind of wild and crazy ideas go thru my head since i know that they cannot all be true as they contradict each other at times.
i no longer assign much weight to my visions as revelations,
except about myself, my nature.

[LotRev]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

or what kind of wild and crazy ideas go thru my head since i know that they cannot all be true as they contradict each other at times.
i no longer assign much weight to my visions as revelations,
except about myself, my nature.

Truths said.

The ideas and visions can be very contradicting, and I don't think we should
take everything these things say to be true. If they are conscious and
speaking, then do they have an agenda? and do you agree with that agenda?
Like you say, the weight should be put on the revelations about self...or mathematical
sequences that predict the end of history.

I find the contradictions not so contradictory sometimes if I can take myself
out of the ideas entirely though. A sort of whimsical idea of everything is and
everything is not, and all at the same time. So it is all true and all false if I can
remove my own opinions from the equation.
It is difficult to translate and express ideas like that properly though, and I guess
that's what I think this game is all about, mapping out new territory, and finding
ways to bring back useful information...and I stress useful.

[chrissbl]

Would be nice if you could post what you thought rather then repost other peoples posts.....at least Im original lol

[~Hippie3]

to whom are you speaking so roughly ?

[chrissbl]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

to whom are you speaking so roughly ?

LOL to whoever reposted posts....Thats speaking Roughly? Ohh my.....Imagine being an Army Brat with a Mexican mother......Talk about Discipline...IT was not uncommon to hear....."When you step in this house its Mexico. My rules my home. You dont like it....Leave" lol ohhhh and the broken wooden spooons......

[~Hippie3]

sorry to hear you were abused as a child,
so was i.
nevertheless childhood ended some time ago
now we are adults
and know how to be civil and polite.
frankly it's just not really your place to chide someone
because they quote snippets of other posts.
only our mod team here has any authority in that regard
and members are required to show tolerance and
practice civility to everyone here.
that means not being rude for no good reason.
see our basic board rules .

[LotRev]

haha...well I believe Hippie was posting an in depth experience, just as I had
asked for (his own, by the way).

I always think it kind of sucks when I post and it gets somewhat skipped
over, but damn, that shit happens.

If you were wanting a response, I'm not really sure what to say to those posts...
The first part made sense, but then I don't know where you were going with
the link, which is broken by the way.
The part about having a church and all? Didn't make much sense to me.

[chrissbl]

Ohhh you silly willy.....Its a church dedicated to ayhuasca.....Usually when something does not make sense...I research it.....
"
Also look at this.....Why would they have a church.....If no spiritual information could be gained..Yes there is a church who uses this as there Host(for those Catholics out there) or Communion..however you believe it to be.....Think about what it means......"


hmmmmm maybe I should goto my shrink again....cuz if we are talking about ayhuasca and if people who take ayhuasca is refered by my as "they" then that would mean....People who take ayhuasca have a church who use DMT which is a ILLEGAL substance...But since it is for religion...IT's OK by the great Lawn Gnome in the sky....wee ooooo iiiiii! But I imagine this post one way or an other will make people mad. And I just got bullied in a corner by 20 people backing up someone up. LOL Because im speaking losely....


udv.org.br/english/index.html

Originally Posted by LotRev

haha...well I believe Hippie was posting an in depth experience, just as I had
asked for (his own, by the way).

I always think it kind of sucks when I post and it gets somewhat skipped
over, but damn, that shit happens.

If you were wanting a response, I'm not really sure what to say to those posts...
The first part made sense, but then I don't know where you were going with
the link, which is broken by the way.
The part about having a church and all? Didn't make much sense to me.

[~Hippie3]

be open to new experiences, that's the gist of it.
and a pitch for the church of course.
i didn't mean to run over his post
as we were already midstream of conversation
i just carried on to stay on topic and coherent,
my apology if i seemed to snub, that wasn't the intent.
and yes, i think i'm the guy who reposted a post
but hey it was an original post of my own
so still no good reason to jump my ass.

[chrissbl]

hey you did not jump my post. I hold no hard feelings! For all I care you can call me an ass and I would most likely agree...LOL exactly be open to new experiences for sure...NO you got it wrong. I mean repost a post of someone else. Meaning like someone who got someone elses idea and posted it instead...You said thats your post ....so you can repost it all you want and your still original

Originally Posted by Hippie3

be open to new experiences, that's the gist of it.
and a pitch for the church of course.
i didn't mean to run over his post
as we were already midstream of conversation
i just carried on to stay on topic and coherent,
my apology if i seemed to snub, that wasn't the intent.
and yes, i think i'm the guy who reposted a post
but hey it was an original post of my own
so still no good reason to jump my ass.

[~Hippie3]

[chrissbl]

Random violence for cows ( its a riot! )and paypal...LOL Random..I think that is the funniest icon ever

Originally Posted by Hippie3

[chrissbl]

Ohhh I hate the purge. I have actually skipped it before. I belive its PH thing.....Too much acidicy in the brew and blahhhhhhhhh....Its strange...Though I have boiled down both brews....The Mimosa Hostilis brew to a reddish purple goo....rolled it into balls mesured it out to around 4-5 grams and rolled the balls over jello...then swallowed them....slower onset but if you get it right....DAMN.....

I did not see no naked god say to me "you make me angry..you no throw up" lol...I really dont like that part...It can be healing yes...seeling all your negative stuff come out of your mouth and beg whoever for it to stop while the toilet distorts and you hear someone throwing up from faraway and then you realise ohhh thats me....

Originally Posted by Hippie3

btw
i'd love an exposition
on just how fruity jell-o might offend the ancient gods ?
is it zeus who is the jell-o hater
or perhaps athena ?
ishtar or ares ?
i get so confused...
do all the flavors show a lack of respect
or is it just the fruity ones ?

oh yeah,
on the whole loin cloth issue,
are cotton Haynes ok
or should i skin a jaguar or perhaps a stag ?

i'm just fuckin' with ya.

[LotRev]

I should clarify...

by "that part didn't make sense to me" - what I meant was it didn't make
sense to me in context of the discussion. As Hip said, a pitch for a church.

I know about ayahuasca churches and their practices, I did not mean that
I could not literally decypher what you said into ideas.

Beyond that, this thread is about my theoretical 'huasca brew...so...what do you think?
What are your preferences for materials used and dosages?

Also, although 'huasca balls rolled in jello sounds pretty good, the jello in this
case is used to remove the nasties from the brew to help prevent the purge.

haha - and it's actually violence towards horses
As in the phrase "beating a dead horse"

[chrissbl]

LMAO ooops that would make sense...beating a dead horse...LOL...anyways....I saw that the jello removes the nasties..I have to try that....also for dosage...

15 grams Inner Root Bark Mimosa for a really stronge dose...Now it all depends on weight I would imagine....Though I noticed a tollerence..after a while.....Ohh im not pitching a church. I just found it neat that these people get in circles and all take auhuasca together in a group settting. I live out here in the east coast....I rather stay out of a "church" to be honest

Beyond that, this thread is about my theoretical 'huasca brew...so...what do you think?
What are your preferences for materials used and dosages?

Also, although 'huasca balls rolled in jello sounds pretty good, the jello in this
case is used to remove the nasties from the brew to help prevent the purge.

haha - and it's actually violence towards horses
As in the phrase "beating a dead horse"[/quote]

[LotRev]

Originally Posted by chrissbl

I rather stay out of a "church" to be honest

Now that is a statement I can commend and relate to!

[AndyLandy420]

Are OBE's pretty rare for most people?