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    Old 07-16-03, 13:54   #51 (permalink)
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    SWIM likes to use the pie pan casing tek inside of the portable greenhouses.

    He starts out with quarts of grain, usually popcorn or rye, innoculated with a multispore innoculation. Once full colonization has come about, he performs several sets of g2g transfers. This doubles, triples, or quadruples his number of avaliable colonized quarts. Once he has the desired number of quarts colonized, he crumbles the grains into the bottom of a square 8"x8" pie pan, 1 quart per pie pan. SWIM uses straight vermiculite as the casing layer. He microwaves a bowl of verm for three minutes, and adds water to the bowl to cool it down, and to hydrate the verm. He then spoons the verm out of the water, allowing excess water to drain off. A 1/2 inch layer of verm goes on top of the substrate. The pan is now covered in foil and allowed to incubate for two days before going into the greenhouse.

    SWIM likes to "patch" the casing wherever he sees colonization comming through. This is done by putting a very thin layer of wet verm over the area breaking through.

    Fruits come shortly.

    Get an All American pressure cooker. It is my best purchase to date.

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    Old 07-16-03, 14:04   #52 (permalink)
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    I don't need any more spores, but here are a few things I wish someone had told me when I got started:

    1. Buy a canning funnel. This makes cleaning your PF jar rims a snap before adding dry verm, and cuts chances of contams. They are like 2 or 3 bucks.

    2. Liquid measuring cups and dry measuring cups are not the same. The wrong one will throw a curve in a tek.

    3. Don't buy a damned aquarium. They are a pain in the ass in almost every respect. I know a lot of the teks have an aquarium in 'em, but plastic is cheap and light and will do the same job as your terrarium, with less bull.

    4. You cannot take over the world with 10 cakes. You aren't going to make any money- sorry! Don't quit your day job and become a mad scientist thinking your ship has come in. You'll see how much work commercial production would be for one guy and then go ask for your job back...

    5. They take forever. Chill out and never plan on 'em to go by your schedule. Until I learned to chill, it was a frustrating hobby. They apparently hate to be stared at, and only grow behind your back.

    6. Buy the big pressure cooker. You will always hate that small one and wish that you weren't such a cheapskate.

    7. You don't need a humidifier. Perlite is fine for anything small scale. That money is better spent on a hepa filter.

    8. It's easy. I put off trying to grow shrooms for a long time because I was intimidated. The PF Tek is as close as a guy can get to dumb-ass proof if you actually follow the instructions.

    9. Brown Rice = BRF. That organic stuff is megabucks compared to a bag of Mahatma's and a garage sale coffee grinder.

    10. Mycellial water is worth it's weight in gold. One cc of spores is 1-2 jars of innoculated substrate, or one jar of mycellial water which easily gives you 10 ready syringes full or 100-200 jars of innoculated substrate. (grain to grain transfer is also in this category)

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    Old 07-16-03, 14:14   #53 (permalink)
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    When growing PF style I flame sterilize the contamination barrier after each injection with a sweeping motion. Then cover the top of the jar with foil and flame sterilize again. Be sure to use a sweeping motion with the foil or you will burn a hole in it.

    I define flame sterilization as sweeping a torch (i.e. propane torch or Bunsen burner) over the lid of the jar. It causes the vermiculite to heat up and kill any contaminants that may have entered through the needle holes during the injection. The spores themselves are safe from the heat because they have trickled down the sides of the jar. Do NOT flame the sides of the jar, only the lid or else you will destroy the spores.

    Simply working underneath a flame helps to create a sterile work zone when doing inoculations. It is a basic microbiology sterile technique.

    PS – It is also a good idea to wipe clean and flame the needle before each injection, even if it does kill the spores that may already be in the needle tip. Better safe than sorry.
     
    Old 07-16-03, 14:32   #54 (permalink)
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    No need to buy canning jars, get them free when you buy Classico spagetti sauces. A regular canning lid fits them perfectly. I always thought/used them as quarts, but after washing 15 or 20 of them today, I realized they are only 24 oz. jars. It's good to end up with something you can use in your hobby after a good meal. I use the plastic lids with a micron filter disk and a 1" hole drilled in them with a spade bit. Perfect size for good air exchange, they don't dry out. I also use 1 dry cup of hard winter wheat to 110 mls of water straight in the jars, (no presoak) and then into the PC. Saves time & effort on simmering/presoaking, but this isn't anything new, Stamets mentions this one. It also can invite trouble if your grain has a high endospore load or is old(I've not had any problems). Buy your grains at health food community stores, they usually stock grains that are fungicide free, VERY IMPORTANT! Print on glass when you succeed,it can be had for free at the large hardware superstores, just dig the scrap pieces out of the bin where they do cuts instore, tell the clerk you dug the glass out of their trash, and they usually give it to you for free. Build your own racks from PVC piping, cheap and easy to work with. You can build the mini greenhouses cheaper yourself. Cheap plastic sheeting can be bought at Wallyworld to cover them with. buy an impulse sealer if you ever see one on clearance somewhere, they are very handy for making your own bags, sealing baggies, or sealing seams on that homemade mini greenhouse. Build your own laminar flow hood, its not rocket science, I built one that works great for under 75 dollars, but I scrounged the squirrel cage blower motors.
     
    Old 07-16-03, 15:23   #55 (permalink)
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    By Marcus Hill (Marcushill1) on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 05:44 pm: Edit


    The main thing I have learnt from doing the PF tek is to have PATIENCE even when you think things are going wrong.


    will that qualify?? <!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

    i'm afraid not.
    from what i see on the various sponsors sites,
    these prints go for about $40 and syringes about $30, so i don't think i'm going to give them away for a few sentences with no real content, you'll have to try harder than that to make the cut.
    i do see some nice entiries above,
    but keep them coming.
    i have 5 prints and 3 syringes,
    all pro quality, fresh clean mexicana A strain.
    represent and show me you deserve.

     
    Old 07-16-03, 16:04   #56 (permalink)
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    This is a casing tek/trick that involves a single pf cake and the use of a "Rotisserie Chicken container as mini terrarium".
    All the major grocery stores near me, have a Stand that holds these tiny rotisserie chickens with different flavors, such as Italian barbecue or regular. These chickens just wait on a steel or black hot plate all day and wait for a stoner to come in and buy em.
    You may have seen them because they come in little plastic green house like ,containers. The bottom two inches are black, this enables you to put a layer of casing on the bottom followed by a broken pf cake and last a another layer of casing. Just fan often and poke pin holes in the bottom and a few on top.
    In one to two week I guaranty you results. You will will get the equivalent from two to three flushes of a single cake.
    The best part is that my you can in most cases go up to the deli section clerk or cashier and ask them if they have any extra rotisserie chicken containers in the back you could buy. They will often just give them or sell them to you for 25 cents.
    You could even add composted horse poo and or straw instead of a casing for amazing results. Try adding a favorite seedling in a jiffy cube to the casing before the Mycelial breaks through the carbon dioxide from the mushrooms will give the plant a boost.
    Also from the store. Find a cake that is only 4 or 5 inches high. Use the container to make a Jiant flat cake out of several pf cakes.


    Also count my post in :"Open-Air Casing using Grass for Moisture Retention?"
    Soliver

    BTW I like yor idea Soliver or you could take ordinary short pf cakes mix with 4 times the quantity of dung and a lil straw pack in the bottom of the Tall Boys with dubble end case. Wait untill fully colanized then tap them to the bottom. Have light so they grow up.
     
    Old 07-16-03, 16:25   #57 (permalink)
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    Lately swim has been straying from the pf tek and working with corn kernals for spawn and Grass clippings from the yard, and compost.
    He uses lime and bleach when pastuerizing for about 2 hours,After that he drains for the rest of the night.. Spawns at a ratio of 2 pints per aluminum tin.. He leaves the spawned substrate covered with aluminum foil for a few days till he see's good regrowth.
    He then Cases with Verm, and lime mix.. Helps keep the contams out.. He has them sitting in a Large filter patch bag with an opened end so it always gets fresh air.. the mushies love it.. Then one of his casings started to dry out while pinning was accuring. So he thought of the tek where you drill a hole in the middle of a cake and feed water there..
    So he took a Pencil and started poking holes throughout the casing about half way throgh.
    Now he can avoid misting mushrooms and water in the holes.. so far he is on his 2nd flush, and because of the consant watering he is getting a bigger flush with bigger mushrooms than the 1st... so this seems to work for him.. he finds that he likes the Grass\clippings and compost mix, He says it does the mushrooms body good, hehe.. That is his lil big of info.. hope its good enough to win some mexicana . jojoba
     
    Old 07-16-03, 16:27   #58 (permalink)
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    What I would do for a mexicana A. I know mycotopia would get results from using several types of substrates and Karo/Honey/Dextrose jars.

    Would my post qualify hippie?
     
    Old 07-16-03, 16:39   #59 (permalink)
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    if by qualify, you mean 'win',
    i haven't picked any winners yet.
    i plan to wait awhile,
    and see what comes in before announcing
    who gets spores.
    so keep trying.
    but i can't in fairness count posts made before i opened this thread.
    but for sure, your rotisserie tek post is in the running.
    and i will accept multiple entries, i'll assign each one a point value on a 1-10 scale and the winners will be the top 8.
    but plz no off-topic posts cluttering up the thread,
    instead start a subtopic by clicking the
    'create new conversation' button at page top center.
    i want folks reading this to find it helpful useful and entertaining.
    carry on.
    and good luck to all who enter.

     
    Old 07-16-03, 16:47   #60 (permalink)
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    a couple things i've learned...

    -I believe that if you are going to birth the cakes that the colonization should be done in the dark for most of the time. The myc. seems to make a tighter cake that lasts longer for more flushes.

    -Humidity is overated. Currently I do not use perlite or any humidifiers. And I mist about once a day. However great results have come from misting down the aquarium, putting the cakes in and simply leaving the lid on for about 5 days straight with no misting. Yes, the mycelium does need a high humidity to produce, but I believe that all the humidifiers and fish tank warmers, and even perlite doesn't make a large difference in the yield. So if you wanna save some money all you need is your pf tek and an aquarium.

    -The greatest tip i've ever learned is to dunk your cakes. birth em, dunk em, grow em, and dunk em again. That is the best tip towards getting larger fruits.

    -No heaters are needed either, while growing the mycelium will produce enough heat so that room temperature often becomes ideal growing conditions.

    These are just a few from my own experience, not necessarily factual and everone's situation is different. But you can keep it simple and produce excellent results. Experiment, don't rely on what works for everyone else. And who knows you might find a better way to grow.

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    Old 07-16-03, 17:51   #61 (permalink)
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    Pump&amp;seal containers

    well I was going to save this for a tek but im to lazy. here is a trick that I used to use all the time when I was making cakes. take that pump and seal..put a cake in side with fresh water and then pump it till you see bubbles coming out of the cake do that a few time and your cake will sink....thats how easy it is to get as much water as posible in your cakes....best to do it on the birth.and you should not need to dunk the intire life span of the cake....there are more contams problems if you soak to much tho I used that for all my cake about six months until i got into grain and corn. try it you might like it
     
    Old 07-16-03, 20:36   #62 (permalink)
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    The best trick i can share is too use a 50/50 mix of popcorn and wild bird seed... no moisture problems at all and easy shake with fast colinization. I'll post pics and results later - don't want to clutter things up in this thread.

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    Old 07-16-03, 21:19   #63 (permalink)
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    Just a tip to help... I think some shrooms grow better with NO light. So don't light them up like a plant. The best growth will happen at night with no fluorescents, etc. Not a contest entry.
     
    Old 07-16-03, 21:31   #64 (permalink)
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    I use straws in my cakes and keep them filled with water. The flushes are great!!! Pretty nice EQ's!
     
    Old 07-16-03, 22:00   #65 (permalink)
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    Being more of a thief than an original thinker, the only thing I do that I've not read elsewhere is that I dry the boys in a mesh, lingerie (washing) bag. Set your fan sideways - blowing ceiling-ward - atop three or four plastic cups to keep it off the floor. Spread the fun-guy fruits single-layered in the lingerie bag and put the bag flat atop the fan. Put a few rocks on the bag as well so it doesn't blow off. Turn on the fan for 24 hours. Afterwards, put 'em in a dessicant can for four or five days. I use coffee cans with dessicant in the bottom, keeping the drying goods separated from the dessicant by a plastic grid.

    I also have a "co-opted" innoculation method that's ridiculously massive overkill, but I'm too embarrassed to post that.

    Still, anything about lingerie deserves consideration... That's the whole point of it, ain't it?
     
    Old 07-16-03, 22:14   #66 (permalink)
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    I think everyone should try the straw idea.
     
    Old 07-16-03, 22:18   #67 (permalink)
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    And I think Subterra's entry is brilliant, insightful and hilarious. I especially like, "They apparently hate to be stared at, and only grow behind your back." How true.
     
    Old 07-16-03, 23:07   #68 (permalink)
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    Ok I am a new grower; so far I have been having very good go at it. here are something I have changed when doing honey water, 1/2pint jars with classic ver and bwn rice.

    I use lunch bag plastic Baggies to cover Honey water 1/2pint jars ASAP after they come out of the microwave. 2 jars I have used plastic Baggies and both worked fine and still are working fine even tested them and 2 out of 2 jars are colonizing now. Why a plastic bag? Because I can poke a small hole with syringe and inject/make syringes. I use rubber band to keep plastic on until it cooled off then just put on the rim lid that comes with bell jars. well keeping the plastic baggie on.

    Money tip: money saved is money spend, go to your local dollar store (phone book). You can find Plastic containers 5 or $1 that are microwave safe and freezer safe, plastic bag 100+ for $1. 1/4, 1/2 1cups and other sizes, they also got water too 3 for $1. u can also find them Push lights that are like 3inch around, 2 AA batteries needed (yes u can even get batteries for $1 too)


    Use throwaway fork to pat down your mix of ver/b rice in jar.

    brown rice:
    use 1/2 the mix powder like brown rice and 1/2 mix little chunky works good for me. (note 1/2 is not 1/2 a cup, it mean if you are using 1/4 b rice in ur mix 1/8 is powdery looking other 1/8 has little bit bigger rice grain.)

    Mixing tip:
    use big (~7in) plastic container with lid to mix ur vermiculite and brown rice in, all u have to do it close with lid and shake it up, this will reduce clumping. also use a fork if needed to scrape bottom. Add water on top of brown rice to reduce clumping on the bottom. also use 1/2 the water then shake then add more then shake again to also reduce clumping.

    Light:
    Computer/TV screen light works good for 1 to 2hr.


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    here is image of baggie used on 1/2pint honey water jar.
     
    Old 07-17-03, 01:31   #70 (permalink)
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    mmmmmmm,
    i want a print,but have to go to work
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    Old 07-17-03, 10:18   #71 (permalink)
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    that's ok, fucg,
    i'm going to keep this running at least another day, maybe two, all depends on how active the thread stays. once entries start to taper off then we'll decide.
     
    Old 07-17-03, 10:33   #72 (permalink)
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    Hi fellow shroomers I dont need the spores but I have an experiment going with Visions basket tek,I have put the basket in a larger container with perlite on the bottom so when I water the extra goes into the perlite and replenishes the water lost by evaporization and a light cover of plastic gives me 100% humidity .What do you think???
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    but plz no off-topic posts cluttering up the thread,
    instead start a subtopic by clicking the
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    i guess you missed that, dave.

    you are way off-topic and in the wrong thread.
    post your question in its' own thread, plz.
    folks answering you here would only drag the topic way off course and interfere with those who are reading this.
     
    Old 07-17-03, 11:28   #74 (permalink)
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    Tips, I love tips, sometimes they are easier to read than teks. Here's some:

    1. When you do popcorn or WBS always throw a 1/4" of either perlite or verm. in the bottom of the jars before sterilizing to soak up any excess water. Shake when they come out and you'll have no dead spots.

    2. A "new" casing I found that works great and helps slow the use of verm. Mix verm and perlite 50-50, stir in some DE and bring to field capacity with water mixed with bleach and pickling lime (1gal to 1Tbls to 1Tbls) (2Tbls of bleach will even work, pinned in two days)Less contams than peat, IMO.

    3. After casing, incubate for 48 hours then fruit.

    4. Rotate your lighting schedule. Everything should be dynamic cause they'll get used to any schedule and take their good old time. Keep them little guys wondering and they'll get scared and sprout.

    5. Only look in on them ONCE every 24 hours. They grow faster that way. (Sort of what Subterra said earlier)

    6. A little thing I call the Squirrel Tek, bury those little 1/2 pinters all over your yard under a 1/4 of soil any where it's in shade during the afternoon and early evening. Crumble or bury whole, it doesn't matter. Cover the spot with a thin layer of day old grass clippings and water as needed. Use fresh or used up cakes, they are all good.

    7. Invest in some anti-bacterial hand soap and dish soap. Also, spray down any and all walking surfaces in critical areas that are waterproof with a mix of iodine and water at least once a week. (My basement floor has an orange tint to it)

    8. Beware of what you read. Some teks and a lot of answers are speculative and the writers are just guessing. Know the source is reliable. (More than once I've read a post of someone asking for help picking an easy strain to try for the first time and then two weeks later giving advice on straw teks)
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    Here are a couple that SWIM found out the hard way when he started recently.

    Don't try to run if you haven't even tried to crawl. Although there are many VERY cool teks, most require some experiance to work with. Crawl by doing the PF tek, or a similar tek for beginners, and move on to the exciting teks after you have a successful grow or two under your belt.

    Keep it simple, there is no need to spend $200 building the ideal grow room for your first try. You won't even know what the ideal grow room would consist of, based on your local environment, without a simple grow to see where your local environment falls short. A plastic box, and a spray bottle are all you really need to start. Add perlite if you can't keep the humidity high enough, add a heat source if growth is slowed by the cold, etc.

    While the pet (ie: reptile) humidity and temperature guages may look ideal for a cheap price, they're a waste of money. The one SWIM bought only showed RH to be 80% when there was moisture droplets forming on everything. On the flip-side, a UTH (Under Tank Heater - with adjustable control) for reptiles, stuck to the bottom of your plastic box with a layer of wet perlite on the inside lets you control the temperature very well.

    Be Patient, all but one of SWIMs failures were his fault for being impatient and trying to rush things. The harder you try to make it work, the harder you'll make it to succeed. It's amazing how if you let yourself get occupied with something else, and check back after a few days, they are not only still going great, but seem to be doing even better than when you checked on them every 30 minutes.

    If you are using myco-bags, and have space, make twice or three times the bags you plan on using. The bags will stay sterile, shouldn't lose much moisture, and act as a control for your crop. If all your innoc'd bags contam, and none of the control do, you know your problem was in the innoculation or spore source. It's also very nice to have a substrate ready-to-go that you know is contam free (From being in the control group) to use when you don't have time to make any up. It usually only takes 50% more time to make three times the bags, and in SWIMs opinion is time well spent.

    Everyone Fails, be prepared to yourself. Every successfull grower has had at least a few contaminations or other problems. SWIM is glad he had a few to teach him where he was prone to make mistakes. He learned from them and has watched himself in those areas. The failures cost very little, and taught him some lessons that he apparently couldn't learn otherwise.

    When making syringes from prints, don't try to get the whole print in one syringe for extra-strength syringes. Similarly, don't use a whole syringe to innoculate one jar for faster colonization - You will get the opposite result. The mentioned 1cc / jar is plenty, more is a waste in SWIMs opinion.

    If you're ever in doubt about how to do something, login here and use the search function. There are very few things SWIM hasn't been able to find on the board in great detail.

    Although most of these have been mentioned somewhere on the board at one time or another, these are the particular ones that SWIM didn't seem to grasp. If you're a newbie, these DO apply to you, don't think that you're special and can skip the words of advice. If SWIM had been less arrogant, he would have had much less frustration when starting, and only paid 1/4 the amount he did to get started.

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    Old 07-17-03, 12:58   #76 (permalink)
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    cubester,
    i'll admit it,
    i'm impressed.
    not only by your results but also
    by your dogged determination to prove your tek.
    and it appears that you were right,
    and i was wrong.
    my compliments.
    would you please consider posting all your hominy results and pix in a new thread devoted just to that topic ?
    and just to show i mean it when i say i'm impressed, i'm picking you as our first winner.
    your tek is truly unique and has the potential to help out many newbies struggling with more traditional methods.
    so email me, hippie3 at mycotopia.net
    with your shipping info and we'll send you some mexicana.
    would you like a print or a syringe better ?
    this thread is archive material
     
    Old 07-17-03, 13:19   #77 (permalink)
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    Thanks Hippie!

    Your recognition is very much appreciated. I'd be more than happy to post my results on the Tek. Thank You!
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    Old 07-17-03, 13:48   #78 (permalink)
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    you are welcome.
    and i'm looking forward to seeing more as your experiments move into the fruiting phase.
    but i see no reason to think fruiting will be abnormal, it should be fine.
     
    Old 07-17-03, 15:46   #79 (permalink)
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    This is Jimdillow/Flatalbert's Mexicana tek, with a few ideas from Stephen Pollock and AtomHeart. I was lucky to find the Jalisco when I was in Mexico. It is the most "true to nature" looking mexicana when cultivated in a lab.

    First buy a 10 pound bag of brown rice and quart jars from Wal-Mart. Boil water in a large, 2/3 full pot and Fill the pot full, but not to the rim because the rice will expand. Cover it and let it cool overnight.

    In the morning, dump the rice into a strainer and let drip dry for 5 minutes. In a large bowl, mix hydrated rice with tiny bits of vermiculite until it clumps slightly more than a PF cake. When you feel the mixture with the back of your hand, it should feel damp, but not wet.

    Poke a hole in the lids with a nail and hammer. Spoon this mixture into quart jars, screw on the lid, and cover with foil. The rubber side of the lid can be either up or down.

    PC for 2 hours at 15 PSI.

    When it is complete cool, flame sterilize your spore shooter and put 1cc in the jar. It doesn't take much. The mycelium is pretty aggressive.

    Put into a dark cupboard for 3 months. This will give ample time for sclerotia to form with either the A, B, or Jalisco strain. The nuggets should be dark brown, and you may see some dark brown or black goo or leachate from digested nutrients in the jar.

    Sift through the substrate with CLEAN hands and pull out the stones, saving the colonized rice. These are your philosopher's stones.

    Now case the remaining colonized substrate. Flatty prefers moisture plus peat, mixed with lime. He doesn't sterilize, just adds 10:1 water/peroxide. Add a 1/4" casing layer and place it in the humidity chamber. It is going to need light and 6+ air exchanges a day to fruit. It likes warmer temps to fruit too. Fruits will form in a couple of weeks.

    The dosage of fruits is comparable to pans. The dosage of philosopher's stones are 1/3 of cubensis by weight and they need to be ground to be digested, lest they pass through the digestive system.

    Enjoy.
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    Old 07-17-03, 16:38   #80 (permalink)
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    Some of the things I've learned over the years:

    Try and use organic brown rice, you can get it bulk at certain grocery stores around here. I grind in a coffee grinder to get a flour, not a sand consistency.

    I don't even put holes in the top of my half-pints anymore, when using an oven for innoc and liberal spraying of 80-80% IPA, I just take the tops off and shoot em up, I lose less than 1 in 30 or so. Flip at 60% colonization and gas transfer is fine.

    I've never been able to master the water content of grains, so until recently I've just stuck to PF style growing, well with popcorn it's allot easier. Cook your popcorn (bulk organic at the store) in a pressure cooker with RO water for 60mins, take out and rub dry with a towel, throw 2-3TBS of vermiculite in the bottom of a quart or 1-2 in the bottom of a pint and then pile in the popcorn. Cook again for another 60mins and your done. I've found that even with towel-drying the popcorn, verm is still needed to soak up some of that extra water that gets released from the kernels. I incubate in a dark foam cooler, so I've never had pinning problems.

    Use RO or distilled water, not putting 575TDS of city crap into your mushies makes a big difference as well. (RO units are <100$ now for a 3-stage with a deionizer)

    Walmart sells a 8$ Hepa for vacuum cleaners, attach that bad boy to your ultrasonics.... makes a HUGE difference with contams.

    Use opaque or solid colored tubing to connect all your parts, gets rid of all the funky stuff growing in your clear tubes.

    Rather large bottles of IPA can be purchased for under 1$, I run under the rule of SPRAY OFTEN, SPRAY EVERYWHERE.... and I have very few contam issues.

    I still have yet to get a decent hygrometer, I judge my ultrasonic output by being able to see a very slight mist coming out of the holes ive made, as long as water is barely sitting on the side of the rubbermade, all is well.

    With a decently designed setup, an ultrasonic with an expansion chamber that feeds back into the res, that runs to as many bins as you want will run for at least a week with no interaction required. If all your connections are setup to run down, to a final point, then contams are not an issue when recycling water. Only condensation from the expansion chamber makes it back into the res, and contams very rarely find their way all the way back through my system, especially with periodic H2O2 infusions. Again, use RO water and you will never have a problem, even when running 24/7.

    By using quality ingredients in the first place (rice, popcorn, WATER!!!!!) not only can you say you have 100% organic mushies (there is a difference), but you encounter allot less problems and EVERYONE is allot more happy.
     
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    The year is 1983 and you are Saddam Husain . Due to rising threats from the United States it is your mission to acquire and raise a culture of anthrax then create as many “Weapons of Mass Destruction as Possible”. You must remember that the United States CIA is attempting to infiltrate your operations and bust you at any cost. There for you must keep your mission as secret as possible.

    First you must acquire all the necessities to raise a culture for your mission.

    You will need:

    1. A spore syringe of anthrax bought from the illicit underground market (mycotopia’s sponsors).
    2. A bag of brown rice flower and Vermiculite to be used as a your cultures medium.
    3. 12 Wide half Pint jars to raise your deadly culture in. Poke 4 small holes evenly spaced on the out side of each lit.

    Next take &frac14; cup of Brown Rice Flower mixed with &frac12; up of Vermiculite and &frac14; cup of water. Now in order for fast colonization of your anthrax, lightly pack down the above mixture into your jars until the bottom of the threads, careful not to over pack. Clean the top rim of the jar then add a layer of plain vermiculite. Cap and repeat until all the jars are full.

    Next take you jars, cover in foil and put them in a pressure cooker. Fill the bottom 2- 3 inches with water and cook at 15 psi for 1 hour. Then let cool overnight.

    Once cool take you anthrax syringe and carefully insert the needle. Wipe the needle clean with rubbing alcohol and flame dry. Then inoculate your jars by inserting your anthrax syringe by spreading 1cc between the 4 holes. Repeat until done.

    Incubate your anthrax at 86f by placing a fish tank heater inside a pickle jar filled with water inside an insulated container.

    Over the next couple of weeks you anthrax should grow nice and strong. It should oddly enough have a faint, sweet mushroom smell and look pure white as it grows. If your jars of anthrax smell nasty or have and weird colors you must throw out or they can make you sick.

    Once your jars of anthrax cultures are fully colonized for 1 to 2 weeks it is time to turn your anthrax into a Weapon of Mass Destruction. To do this we you will be building missiles and other warheads. These are not any ordinary missiles but anthrax missiles, and by completion they should look like a beautiful mushroom with a golden tan warhead. Not only are the anthrax missiles shaped like a mushroom and the explosion produced by them will rock your mind like a super mushroom could inside of your head.

    To produce your anthrax missiles you will first have to build a factory.

    You will need:

    1. A tubaware container
    2. Some perlite.
    3. Water

    Take you tubaware and add a 2-inch layer of moist perlite in the bottom. Next take your jars of cultured anthrax, pop them out, scrape the verm off the bottom and lay them on a peach of foil inside o your tubaware. No all you do is fan 2-3 times a day.

    Over the course of the next several weeks you invisible rocket scientist “ Dr. Mycelium” will be hard at work. Soon you will see the results of Dr. Mycelium’s work. Little warheads that look like tiny white dots will pop up. A week or two later the doctor and all his workers will have created an arsenal of beautiful mushroom shaped anthrax missiles.

    Be careful what you do with them Saddam Husain because 2 or three large missiles will fry anyone’s brain.

    Does this count Hippie3?
     
    Old 07-17-03, 19:43   #82 (permalink)
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    You can save a lot of time in the cooling down time on the pressure cooker by blasting a small hepa machine on full blast right at the PC. This way the PC will cool down and click open within 5 minutes, instead of 25 minutes. Leave the hepa machine on during unloading the jars also.

    Whenever harvesting, birthing, dunking, or scraping of cakes:
    -Make sure that you cover your face with your tshirt .
    -Try to always wear a hatit helps guard against contamination.
    -Always keep your hands clean.
    -Always keep your jars clean.
    -And your face covered .
    -And your hands clean .
    -Flame sterilize and the needle before every innoculation, shake to distribute spores and swipe with alcohol, every time.


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    Old 07-17-03, 23:02   #83 (permalink)
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    Few more tips:
    Syringe Needle/injecting-
    You know it when you try to inject some spores into a cake jar and it want move! Its plugged up.grr makes me made sometimes... but try this.

    When you have say 1/2 pint jars with brown rice and verm. and you are ready to inject some spores use a tooth pick first to make a pass way for the needle to safely move down, slide toothpick out then insert the syringe.

    $ store:
    also other thing u can buy for a $1...
    Foil
    Wax paper
    Plastic/rubber glows.

    If you use Foil on top of the jar(s) try using a small rubber band so when you pick up a jar you don’t slip and drop the jar right out of the foil. place rubber band around top lid rim area on top of foil.


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    Old 07-18-03, 00:05   #84 (permalink)
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    Here are some tips for the newbie.

    Like most will say, start out with the PF tek. I suggest that you birth around half of your cakes and leave the rest invitro so that you are guaranteed success. i WOULD SUGGEST AUSSIE AS GOOD FOR INVITROIt would also be wise to try casing a cake or two your first time that way you can get the general idea of shroom growing. Sea of shrooms is an excellent casing tek with good yields.

    My first time growing my syringe would always get clogged in the verm layer. I would end up pressing down hard on the syringe to unclog it, but would end up squirting a whole cc in one hole.
    You know how the end