Banning of Discussion of RC's at topia

Unless you have tried sippin the syrup, don't knock it.
It provides incredible CEV's and makes the familiar strange.
Anyone here ever experience OBE's?

Read about it on http://www.erowid.org

I wouldn't use something unless I did some homework. (and I'm not a kid either)

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Unless you have tried sippin the syrup, don't knock it. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
well
until you've huffed lacquer thinner
don't knock it
it'll give you OBE's and CEV's
like no other.

No solvents for me thank you, that's where I draw the line.
I do like DXM though.

Up in the graveyard, there are spots where there are dozens upon dozens of empty lacquer thinner cans, I discovered that they were being huffed by someone and we found his spot. We now call the path that leads to his spot 'the vapour trail'.
It's all grown in now, I wonder what happened to him?

Yeah well to me dissociatives are crappy.

Thats exactly what dxm is too.

Its in the same family as K and Pcp.

They are not mind expanding drugs, rather mind numbing drugs.

[cleanjar]

Unless you have tried sippin the syrup, don't knock it.

'never said i havent tried it.
'wouldn't "knock" it if i hadn't.
so don't get all defensive,
which might be tough for you,
because dex heads get defensive.

we still like ya
and want you to be here,
we just don't want to hear about it.
because it's an argument,
and not worth our time to argue about.

ive done dex in all its forms,
ive done pcp
ive done kentamine
nitrous,
glue,
you name it.

ive also used several Rc's

we talk about mushrooms and kind herb
here at topia, and other natural stuff.
we dont condone the use of any drugs,
we're just hippies, and this is our house.
its hippies house actually,
but i just made this topic to say i was
happy with his descision to scrub these
type of arguments.

you see how there are already 55 replies,
it's wasting our time, when we focus mostly
on mushrooms.

This is General discussions isn't it?

Gee, I didn't mean to be so defensive.

I'm a dex head? I didn't know that. Then I guess I'm also a mushroom head, pothead (that I am, quite chronically) cigarhead, pizzahead, dickhead, 'cidhead, beerhead and etc.head, but really, I'm just a good head, and I communicate like an atlantic Canadian would, maybe it's that bit-o-Irish in me?

Who's defensive.... Me? Yeah, and likewise.

I thought me and hip were just posting opinions, if hip is upset about my posts, he can tell me I'll stop. It's all about the stigma of the substance in question that's the controversy really, I meant no harm.
And you better still like me, cause I still like you.
End.

personally i think DXM deserves whatever negative stigma associated with it.
you talk about drawing lines
and that's where i draw one-
abusing over-the-counter meds.
i mean hell,
drixoral [cold tabs] will speed your ass off,
cough syrup will sedate
etc. but that's not 'classy',
it's ghetto in my world.
i refuse to stoop that low for a buzz any more,
i've matured past that point.

Just sedate!?!? (you can't sleep on a Dex trip!) I wholeheartedly disagree, you can think what you want, but I know what I know.
I've gotten differentially comparable effects off DXM as LSD or shrooms.
I've been there, I know, I've tripped on it pretty hard.
Go to erowid and read what other people experience.

That's all I'm going to say about this, some people don't believe in free speech, so I'll suspend my rights and stop just to keep the peace.

[perrch01]

I had a friend who was "purifying" DXM from cough syrup using really nast shit like butane and some other solvent and siphoning it and eventually mixing it with lemon juice and offered us all hits. Long story short after one hit he was wasted, I took several and still nothing happened to me so i have had no desire to try it again.

However I can agree with Cleanjar about kids using it every day. My friend now makes his dxm concoction like Dunkin Donuts makes munchkins (no not round and delicious, rather daily), and has become rather irresponsible b/c of it all...

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some people don't believe in free speech, so I'll suspend my rights and stop just to keep the peace<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
do you mean yourself ?
because you're the one getting upset
because some don't see it your way.
i used the word 'sedate' in lieu of wasting my time typing about a chem i couldn't care less about,
and i've already been to erowid several years ago
so spare me the insinutation that if only i were better informed then i'd agree with you
because that just won't happen,
it's not ignorance but repugnance
that keeps me off cough syrup.

OK

Hey, everyone has their likes, dislikes, and reasoning’s for things. You like it, he doesn't, you have your reason, and he has his... Why all the negativity? Not everyone has to share someone else’s views; that's what makes us all unique individuals.

I'm sure the majority of us are aware of Erowid and are responsible enough to look something up before doing something we know nothing about. If we were interested we'd look it up, and maybe try, but just because the same thoughts aren't shared it's no reason to continue pressing the matter.

I personally will never do anything of the sort. Not because I've tried or because I've seen friends do it... Because I don't have any desire to. I'm above it so to speak. As hip said, he's matured past that point. I'm in this for the self-understanding and otherworldly experiences that come from enthogens, not to "escape" life. I too am concerned with my own well-being and safety in doing such things, which may come with maturity I don't know.

I take care in what I do and I research everything to the fullest extent before any use.

And this is directly from Erowid on DXM:<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

Nausea, stomach cramps, and other unpleasant gastro-intestinal effects are common and may persist for days after use

Itching and other skin reactions have been reported

The large amount of glucose, thickeners, etc., present in many cough syrups may be hard on your kidneys and pancreas.


Regular or frequent DXM use can lead to craving the experience and to emotional dependence. Although not common, some people go on to use DXM daily and can find it difficult to quit.

It is not yet established whether regular use of DXM causes physical dependence (physical withdrawal symptoms upon stopping regular use). Some users report a 1-2 week "hangover" period after stopping use, which could suggest mild physical withdrawal. There is no evidence of life-threatening health risks from withdrawal, but there is little data available on the subject.

Regular users experience tolerance and require increased dosages to achieve the same level of effects. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> Who the hell would want to even try something like that? Not I.

So go on with what you like but don't try to press it upon people that are not in agreement with your likes.

This RC SUCKS too.

AND none of the more widely uses/natural substances even have a "Health" tab in erowid.. and those couple that do are more for interactions to other substances the user may be on or respiratory ailments associated with smoke inhalation. Nothing of the sort that is described by DXM above.

There is plenty to gain from the more natural drugs that have a long history of use, exposure, and research to not need or want to abuse something unknown, no matter what the effects are.

"I was starting to think that there was a lot of discussion about something that can't be discussed here... but then I realized that most of it's off topic. lol"


I thought the whole RC thread was over and done. If the mods and Hippie do not want them to be "slung" here, so be it. In all reality its Hippies butt that is on the line anyway.



"If you ever get a chance to try some pure MDMA from a reliable source, I HIGHLY recommend you do. A VERY Insightful experience for me at least."

I have and I can see many uses for it in therapy. But I have seen many people screw up their lives with it. People who cannot have normal social interaction without it. Some people are like this with alcohol also. We just know so little about it to be taking it every night or every weekend. Most of the info we have is biased. Those who want MONEY for research claim it is very safe, those who wish it would go away for ever say it will damage your brain. Who do you believe? Where is the data??

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In all reality its Hippies butt that is on the line anyway. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
true dat
and who could blame me
if i prefer to stay out of prison ?
just about everytime this subject comes up
it's not long before sources and prices start flying around, deals being made
we just can't have that while the Feds are cracking down on the entire RC market.

DXM is some weird stuff. I've doen it before, and I'm not a huge fan. I didnt finnd it mind expanding, but it can be an interesting mindfuck.

MindFuck?


Eat 10 grams of shrooms.. I would consider this to be the ultimate MindFuck. DXM is boring, I still know who I am if I indulge in DXM. With shrooms I lose my mask, with lots of shrooms, I lose my mind. Lots of DXM will kill you.

A good MindFuck is one that is strong enough to make you think, or wish, you are dead, but does not kill you in reality. Shrooms are good becouse you always come home in the end, albeit sometimes having to suck your brains back into your head through a straw. No harm done...

(Message edited by dr_hyde on October 09, 2004)

Different people react differently to different substances. DXM gives me the worst mindfuck of any drug I've had yet, (to be fair I've never tried any true psychedelics) but let me put it this way:

I weigh about 150lbs, and 600mg will physically and mentally incapacitate me for at least 4 hours. This is not an exaggeration. You shouldn't make general assumtions regarding the way people react to psychoactive substances. It's a little (or a lot) different for everyone.

"You shouldn't make general assumtions regarding the way people react to psychoactive substances. It's a little (or a lot) different for everyone."

What are you saying? Are you saying that we all have unique neurochemistry?

DXM sucks.. No bones about it. I am sure that some people like being blown like that. But the physical and mental effects are the same for everyone.

I was not making a general assumption. I was stating a fact. Get your hands on a real psychedelic and you will see the pointlessness of things like DXM. If you have never done shrooms or acid, you have no idea of how small the worlds of things like DXM are. Shrooms are easy to grow, there are so many people to answer your questions. But I am certain that once you do 3 grams, DXM will seem like childs play. Not that shrooms are going to cloud your mind from reality like DXM, they will in fact open your mind to realities you never dreamed existed. DXM is like sleep, real psychedelics are like an atomic alarm clock.

I never took DXM seriously. I never intended to gain anything from their "trip". I experimented with it, because I would like to try every reasonably safe drug a few times... Or enough to get a feel for what the drug does, almost like a hobby. I would think it would be obvious to every DXM user that their drug is an extremely taxing and unhealthy one. I feel strong, EXTREMELY unpleasant side effects in excess of 24 hours after dosing.

But, it showed me a part of my mind I could never even concieve of going to without its help. It was an interesting experience. The first time, a 300mg dose of the robitussin gelcaps, was one of the best experiences I've had on a drug, and I've had a lot of experience with quality weed and high doses of amphetamine. The first time it just clicked. The second time was great, and the third time was terrible. The "magic" of the substance was lost quickly even without abuse, degrading exponentially, something I also noticed with amphetamine. Even had every time been as good as the first, I would have stopped my experimentation soon after. Why? Because common sense should tell a legal consenting adult that a drug so physically and mentally taxing, a high so "unclean" and chemical like can't be good for their body.

.02 neko

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'nuff said.

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a high so "unclean" and chemical like can't be good for their body.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>Which was exactly my point above. Experimentation is good and that's what some people desire. Sounds like if what you say is true then at least you have your head on your shoulders.

As Thoth was saying... The more natural substances, real psychedelics if you will, will show you things, open many doors, and will completely obliterate your conscience... Your inner self will die and be reborn again after the experience... There is nothing like it in the world.

The best part? These substances have been in use for thousands of years, are provided by nature, are relatively safe, and almost (if not completely) impossible to OD on. Clean, pure, and natural... Leaving you refreshed and ready to take on the world with all of your new insights... no matter how strong the trip I've always woke up feeling great; feeling refreshed.

Werd.

[yogi]

Nekopan, you have never tried real psychedelics? That means you have never eaten mushrooms? Psychedelics don't get any more real than shrooms, they are the authentic deal!

Never eaten mushrooms. I'm waiting for a certain special occasion.

"As Thoth was saying... The more natural substances, real psychedelics if you will, will show you things, open many doors, and will completely obliterate your conscience... Your inner self will die and be reborn again after the experience... There is nothing like it in the world."

There is also another major thing regarding the shroom. You can grow them in your closet. If your cool about it no one will ever know. You do not have to buy them from people, thus, a major element of risk is gone. Your supply never dries up, and if you get too many of them, stop growing and dry what you have.

There are so many advantages to mushrooms over RC's. The biggest is less risk, and once you learn to make prints and syringes of your own, no paper trail.

Plus they will fry your monkey like nothing else, and your safely home in 6 hours or so.

This is my whole point. Why mess with these RC's? Many more disadvantages than advantages from my point of view.

(Message edited by dr_hyde on October 11, 2004)

This is also a true point, but it's also true with other naturals besides mushies... Aya, cannabis, cacti, etc... However growing your own would require more of an investment and be less low key... but still possible and with all the advantages of the other. Salvia would be another easy, low key grow... but that's not something you do too often.