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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2006
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![]() | Morning all, I came across a very interesting (and long) scholarly journal article on hallucinogens. It is quite comprehensive and informitive, and I really enjoyed reading it. So, I figured some of you might enjoy it too. Here's a link to the article: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...62579&ref=full Here's a list of excerpts that I found particularly interesting (long). If you don't have time to read all of the article, feel free to skim over some of these. Quote:
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2006
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![]() | The story about the kids staring at the sun was made up by an optotrician that wanted to discourage "drug abuse". Erowid's drug myths has a lot more details on how it spread without anything resembling facts contained within. Great article, Thanks |
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2006
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![]() | I wouldn't count on erowid over scholarly journals. However, I do believe you are thinking of a different case where that may be true. From http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...56a8e&ref=full Quote:
Are these links working for people? I could attach the file itself if needed. Take it easy
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| Mycophage Join Date: Jun 2006
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If I could see a date on that abstract it might show whether it was true or not . . . the legend started in 1968, so anything published after that is probably fake. We can't click the links, you have to sign up; if you could copy->paste I'd be much obliged ![]() Edit: Actually I do see something that suggests that article is nothing more than a rehash of the old legend . . . it says there it was "one 23 year old", but other newspaper articles said there were four college kids. Or it could've been that the articles innacurately copied the journal reference. Or that there were two cases of it. I won't know until I get a date on that | |
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2006
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![]() | Figured the links wouldn't work. So, I attached the file - enjoy. The date for the article is 1976 by the way. I wouldn't doubt its truth, it's peer-reviewed. Anyways, why would he bother documenting something that didn't happen? This isn't the overly-biased media. I can see this sort of thing happening on more than one incedence.
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| Mycotopiate Join Date: Jun 1972
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![]() | A freind of mine developed schizoprenia this year, sticking too much cut powder up his nose one night.. And while in the loonybin (where he was for not too long thank God) he stared at the sun while in a trance ( fighting demons on the otherside...damn, not fun). Now he's like so pissed at himself, he burned out his eyes, they're still quite blurry 6 months later, his mind is better though.. LSD trance, schizo trance, not much difference, i'd reckon. Some idiot is going to just stare at the sun. DONT STARE INTO THE SUN WHILE IN "PHANTASTICA" ! HAHA Now U read the warning label, lets eat some acid! |
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2006
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![]() | Is there any way to verify this isn't the felow who made up the whole scenario? I will do some research when time permits. Quote:
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2006
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![]() | Just look for the peer-reviews. Another thing, the writer of this article would have any information (and more) on the subject than you could come up with, and would not have simply cited something untrue or even questionable without saying that it is questionable (as the author does with a lot of the earlier research done in the field). It sounds as though you are talking about a seperate incedence entirely. Just in the interest of saving you time, I would just take the article's (and the two articles that it cites) word. This is not the mass media; there is clearly no bias. Also if you notice in the abstract that I posted, it is from the Bascom Palmer Eye Institute; the article is merely recording what happened. Why would someone from an eye institute make up a story when his credibility and thus career is at stake? Hallucinogens rarely have bad consequences, but it does happen. There is no reason to try to disprove one case cited by credible sources. Take er easy
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2006
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![]() | Bad references get into good work all the time.<br> Below is an abstract from another study, 319 cases in 20 months. There is absoultley no causal link between the ingestion of LSD and retinopathy I can find. The Schatz case study may be real, but it is the ONLY reference I can find used to retinopathy being linked to LSD use, and there are too many confounding factors in case studies to really prove to me this was caused directly by LSD's effects.<br><br> To have any real weight as a reference the author should have pointed out in all the of cases of solar retinopathy that (1?) was related to LSD.<br><br> Abstract 319 patients with a solar retinopathy were seen in an eye clinic in Nepal within 20 months. All patients had either a positive history of sun-gazing or typical circumscribed scars in the foveal area. In more than 80% of the patients the visual acuity was 6/12 or better and did not deteriorate over time. 126 (40%) patients had a history of gazing at the sun during an eclipse, 33 (10%) were sun worshipers and 4 (1%) were in both categories. Three years later 29 patients were re-examined in a follow-up study. Only 16 had had visual disturbances directly after they had gazed into the sun. No colour vision defects were seen in any of the 44 affected eyes, when tested with Panel D 15, while four patients (6 eyes) had some uncertainty with the tritan plates of the Ishihara test charts. Metamorphopsia were recorded in 11 eyes. Five German patients with solar retinopathy were examined in more detail. Colour contrast sensitivity (CCS) was tested for the central and the peripheral visual field. CCS for tritan axis was raised in all patients for the central visual field, while it was normal for the peripheral visual field. Quote:
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2007
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![]() | I can personally verify the sun starring myth. I had a bad trip many years ago on LSD. At some point during this bad trip I starred into a lamp (with my head inside the lamp shade) for like 10-15 min chanting "look into the light, look into the light, look into the light........." I don't remember doing it, I was in another place at that time, but two fellow phsyconauts watched my do it. One of them is a member of this site as well. I guess it's good that it was the middle of the night at the time and that I didn't do it with the sun. Luckily, I don't seem to have any ocular damage from it. |
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argument by appeal to authority is flawed logic, peer reviewed certainly doesn't mean flawless or unbiased. telling someone 'just take it word for word as written without questions or doubt because well-known people vouch for it' is not good enough for a true critical thinker. maybe those people were all getting paid by the government in one way or another and so have motive to say what they are expected to say by their masters. even scientists still have to get paid eh. and if you want grants, lab equipment, etc. then it's smart to give the government what it wants instead of making waves. just things to consider on the way to the truth.
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![]() | back in the high school acid days i had a couple of friends who, on several separate occasions, would turn on a powerful flashlight and hold it over each eye systematically as if the light were a drug... they always offered me some... but i told them that i would like to be able to see in 20 years... i wonder how their vision is today.. |
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![]() | Very interesting article (at least the portion in the first post, all I've read so far). Whatever the truth of the eyeball-burnout reports, we all know that it's not unheard-of to do stupid shit while tripping. Though probably not as likely as when dosing on alcohol. ![]() How far any individual will stray from self-preservation is pretty unpredictable.
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