morning glory question

dead_diver · 03-05-06, 11:38

I have only had one good experience with MG seeds and every other time I had horrible body load. I tried off and onfor some time to find seeds that were noticeably psychoactive. Most times I think I dosed too low or didn't prepare right. Finaly after trying a cold water extraction one day with a popular brand of seed that was untreated I had a nice trip equal to about 100mcg's of cid. No body load and a nice, clean happy high

Tried a week later with a new batch of same seeds and had bad bad bad vasoconstriction, I was considering going to the hospital when I started feeling my heart hurt but thank god it passed. I was useing Heavenly Blue. I have recently become aware of another variety from an heirloom seed company. It is the Mexican variety. Even though these may have the right alkaloid contents compared to the common garden MG's I am still reluctant to try them again......Ipomoea Mexico

dead_diver · 03-05-06, 11:42

Thought to be the same Morning Glory that was used by the Incas in ceremonial rights. Grows quickly to 8’ & blooms profusely with blue flowers. The leaves & stems are covered with dense hairs that are soft to the touch. Doesn’t seem to become a weed in the garden like other Morning Glories. excerpt from Annies Annuals and Perinnials

Hippie3 · 03-05-06, 11:42

Quote:

had bad bad bad vasoconstriction, I was considering going to the hospital

that would harsh my trip.
once would be enough for me.

dead_diver · 03-05-06, 11:53

Yup, I have had mild leg cramps, numbness in my extremeties and blueing under fingernails...not cool... from LSD but this caused cramp pain in my legs, arms and heart!

ulatek · 03-05-06, 12:23

i was considering trying the cold water extraction, but stories like this seem to be so common... i found something interesting earlier on this you may be interested in looking at. it touches on what your talking about more than a few times.
see the "Ololiuhqui notes by Schultes & Wasson" towards the bottom of the page.

http://peyote.com/jonstef/morning.htm

07-18-06, 18:14

well some updates on my morning glories.

golly · 07-18-06, 21:39

aint they purdy..!..looks like you'll have plenty of seeds with all those buds a poppin...

Spark · 07-18-06, 21:54

shadyfigure · 07-18-06, 22:13

pretty flowers, nice grow!

Spark · 07-20-06, 06:05

heavenly

cheech · 07-20-06, 18:19

great pix!!
i used the first as wallpaper. thanks much.

SharkieJones · 07-20-06, 21:39

Beautiful.

Jetson · 11-01-06, 18:35

anyone know about how many MG seeds per gram?

cap · 11-01-06, 18:38

is that like 'how many jellybeans are in the jar' ?

Jetson · 11-01-06, 18:55

well, if 200 seeds is a reasonable dose, how many doses, (about) are in a 114 gram order of seeds? How many grams is a dose? It seems like ever site gives you the dose in seeds, not grams or mg.

Jetson · 11-01-06, 19:25

found this:
"using 35 seeds per gram for rough estimates"

So, it's about 5 or 6 grams per dose of 150-200 seeds.

So, I guess there are about 20 doses per 114 gram?

Does that sounid about right to anyone who's very familiar with t?

tregar · 11-03-06, 00:18

Looking back on my notes, 100 seeds = approximately 3 grams, and 500 seeds = 15 grams.

these are approximate values:

100 seeds = 3 grams
200 seeds = 6 grams
300 seeds = 9 grams
400 seeds = 12 grams
500 seeds = 15 grams

sHroomno0b · 01-12-07, 22:40

I am going to be dosing Heavenly blue morning glory seed's soon. what is the best possible way to ingest them without having to do an LSA extraction tek?
~sHroomno0b

Space Doubt · 01-13-07, 04:16

Try this low-light wine method (Low-light Morning Glory Wine). Worked really well for a dude I met on the bus!

tregar · 01-13-07, 09:14

Search key for enlightenment.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthre...ghlight=visual (Lucid and Visual Morning Glory LSA Extracts)

01-13-07, 11:41

The extraction is so simple you really should do it, otherwise you will get sick for almost sure, and you might trip while your sick, but thats not for sure.

The LSA content is varriable, the claviceps are inevidable

Jetson · 01-13-07, 12:44

A 300 seed dose for me is a really strong trip; 200 or 250 are nice too. I just finely ground in a blender, let soak in room temperature water for 30 minutes, filter solids through coffee filter, and drink the water. It's almost sure that you will get a bad nausea spell, and good chances you'll throw up, although; I never have, myself and I've only really been that nauseas on higher doses. My friends have thrown up though. And if you throw up too early you might not trip. I'd say after 30 minutes you should be good. Nausea usually fades after around 40 minutes to an hour.

I hear that soaking the ground seeds in a little wine for 24 hours then drinking helps eliminate the nausea a lot—something about the natural alcohol, maybe? I want to try this way next time I have both wine and seeds.

ANON · 01-13-07, 14:08

i've heard that some seeds are sprayed with stuff to make them insuitable for digestion. Does anyone know of any internet suppliers which you can purchase them from, and are safe for digestion?

Space Doubt · 01-13-07, 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetson

A 300 seed dose for me is a really strong trip; 200 or 250 are nice too. I just finely ground in a blender, let soak in room temperature water for 30 minutes, filter solids through coffee filter, and drink the water.

My aquaintance on the bus used to do this also, however the soak was refridgerated. The wine tek mentioned aboved is now his prefered method.

BTW, do you really count seeds? For some reason, with MG's, everyone refers to it in number of seeds, but I would think gram weight would be easier?...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetson

I hear that soaking the ground seeds in a little wine for 24 hours then drinking helps eliminate the nausea a lot—something about the natural alcohol, maybe? I want to try this way next time I have both wine and seeds.

Again, please refer to link. Bus dude claims no naseau, only "noises" which almost seemed to be a seperate entity trying to impart some kind of observation, however it was not understood.

01-13-07, 22:26

Some places do "treat" the seeds to make people sick, the stuff can be rinsed off the seeds by placing them in a collinder and soaping them up than rinse the suds.

If your looking for MG seeds type in bulk morning glory into your search engine, you can find them for 20 USD an LB organic untreated.

ANON · 01-14-07, 00:11

Doing some searching I was able to find 2.5 pounds of MG seeds via IamShaman.com for 15$

http://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Bro...orning%20Glory

If I decide to check this out, are there any precautions one would need to take other than the standard preparations for tripping?

01-14-07, 14:16

the claviceps in the seeds will probably make you sick if you dont extract in some form or another, otherwise MG seeds are similar to LSD except, from my experience, far less intense and far less potent, you'll be more in control of your thought process, but I've heard of others having fairly intense MG trips.

Appearently there is no standrdized LSA content so a little bit might do the trick and alot may not, better to go with a decent ammount and if you end up tripping really hard, oh well, have fun and ride it thru'

There's a good chance that the seeds may be impotent so I'd say go for more just incase, there is hardly anything more annoying than barley tripping.

beebopboy · 01-14-07, 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Transition Force

Doing some searching I was able to find 2.5 pounds of MG seeds via IamShaman.com for 15$

http://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Bro...orning%20Glory

If I decide to check this out, are there any precautions one would need to take other than the standard preparations for tripping?

I only see 4 oz for $15. Thats only 1/4 lb...

ANON · 01-14-07, 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by beebopboy

I only see 4 oz for $15. Thats only 1/4 lb...

You're right. I was looking at the item number "MGB-4OZ", and I thought it meant 40 oz instead of 4 oz.

ANON · 01-14-07, 16:27

Is there any real disadvantage to eating the seeds, perhaps in a smoothie mix, as opposed to using an extract?

01-14-07, 17:56

Clavicep poisoning-You might get sick.

Claviceps are non-polar, but slightly polar. A cold water extraction is not likely to get much of the claviceps if any, but if you leave the seeds in the smoothie, your drinking claviceps as well as LSA.

LSA are polar so they will get in the water, the claviceps could potentially, I think they are peptolipid, or lipid like, which are fats if you dont know. Over all they are non polar but have a polar end which means they could end up in a polar solution unless you first do a defatt with a non-polar solvent like naphtha to remove the non-polar impurity, water soluble oils.

01-14-07, 18:10

flowersoul.com- 1/4ozblue morning glory like 5 bucks like 16 bucks for a pound.

http://swallowtailgardenseeds.com/index.html

5,000seeds heavenly blue 12 bucks

ANON · 01-14-07, 19:25

thanks!

aumbrellaforainydays · 01-18-07, 21:52

For HBWR its 10+ seeds and for Morning glory its 250+ seeds? Just wanted to recheck this.

Jetson · 01-19-07, 00:43

well, I can confirm the morming glory dose.

mrpanda · 01-19-07, 03:30

10 HBWR should do the trick.

Set · 01-20-07, 12:03

It depends on the strain of your HBR, and the freshness of the seeds. For a good strain 10 seeds should be a high dose, for a very good strain and fresh seeds 5 will be as high as most want to go.

For some strains you'd need 100 seeds. Don't bother growing those!

Morning glory is 100 for light and 400 for blow your mind out of the sky, 250 is a good dose.

Ololiuque, by the way the least toxic, is 30 seeds for a medium up to 60 seeds for higher than most want to go (or just if the seeds are older).

Freshness of these seeds does make a difference. Apparently LSA doesn't store as well as 'shrooms. And it's vulnerable to heat and light, so store in a cool dark place.

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03-05-06, 11:42	#2 (permalink)
dead_diver Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 1972 Posts: 775	Thought to be the same Morning Glory that was used by the Incas in ceremonial rights. Grows quickly to 8’ & blooms profusely with blue flowers. The leaves & stems are covered with dense hairs that are soft to the touch. Doesn’t seem to become a weed in the garden like other Morning Glories. excerpt from Annies Annuals and Perinnials __________________ It would be thought a hard government, that should tax its people one-tenth part of their time, to be employed in its service. - Benjamin Franklin

03-05-06, 11:53	#4 (permalink)
dead_diver Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 1972 Posts: 775	Yup, I have had mild leg cramps, numbness in my extremeties and blueing under fingernails...not cool... from LSD but this caused cramp pain in my legs, arms and heart! __________________ It would be thought a hard government, that should tax its people one-tenth part of their time, to be employed in its service. - Benjamin Franklin

03-05-06, 12:23	#5 (permalink)
ulatek Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 160	i was considering trying the cold water extraction, but stories like this seem to be so common... i found something interesting earlier on this you may be interested in looking at. it touches on what your talking about more than a few times. see the "Ololiuhqui notes by Schultes & Wasson" towards the bottom of the page. http://peyote.com/jonstef/morning.htm __________________ "As above so below"

07-18-06, 18:14	#6 (permalink)
~durban_poison Guest Posts: n/a	heavenly blue morning glories well some updates on my morning glories.

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11-01-06, 18:35	#13 (permalink)
Jetson Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 328	morning glory question anyone know about how many MG seeds per gram?

11-01-06, 18:38	#14 (permalink)
cap what a long strange trip Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,818	is that like 'how many jellybeans are in the jar' ?

11-01-06, 18:55	#15 (permalink)
Jetson Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 328	well, if 200 seeds is a reasonable dose, how many doses, (about) are in a 114 gram order of seeds? How many grams is a dose? It seems like ever site gives you the dose in seeds, not grams or mg.

11-01-06, 19:25	#16 (permalink)
Jetson Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 328	found this: "using 35 seeds per gram for rough estimates" So, it's about 5 or 6 grams per dose of 150-200 seeds. So, I guess there are about 20 doses per 114 gram? Does that sounid about right to anyone who's very familiar with t?

11-03-06, 00:18	#17 (permalink)
tregar Mycotopiate Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 479	Looking back on my notes, 100 seeds = approximately 3 grams, and 500 seeds = 15 grams. these are approximate values: 100 seeds = 3 grams 200 seeds = 6 grams 300 seeds = 9 grams 400 seeds = 12 grams 500 seeds = 15 grams

01-12-07, 22:40	#18 (permalink)
sHroomno0b Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 12	Morning Glory seeds I am going to be dosing Heavenly blue morning glory seed's soon. what is the best possible way to ingest them without having to do an LSA extraction tek? ~sHroomno0b

01-13-07, 04:16	#19 (permalink)
Space Doubt Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 52	Try this low-light wine method (Low-light Morning Glory Wine). Worked really well for a dude I met on the bus! __________________ I found exceeding great pleasure and delight in seeing and contemplating the Admirable works of Nature within the Vessels - Nicholas Flamel

01-13-07, 09:14	#20 (permalink)
tregar Mycotopiate Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 479	Search key for enlightenment. http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthre...ghlight=visual (Lucid and Visual Morning Glory LSA Extracts)

01-13-07, 11:41	#21 (permalink)
~twizzz Guest Posts: n/a	The extraction is so simple you really should do it, otherwise you will get sick for almost sure, and you might trip while your sick, but thats not for sure. The LSA content is varriable, the claviceps are inevidable

01-13-07, 12:44	#22 (permalink)
Jetson Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 328	A 300 seed dose for me is a really strong trip; 200 or 250 are nice too. I just finely ground in a blender, let soak in room temperature water for 30 minutes, filter solids through coffee filter, and drink the water. It's almost sure that you will get a bad nausea spell, and good chances you'll throw up, although; I never have, myself and I've only really been that nauseas on higher doses. My friends have thrown up though. And if you throw up too early you might not trip. I'd say after 30 minutes you should be good. Nausea usually fades after around 40 minutes to an hour. I hear that soaking the ground seeds in a little wine for 24 hours then drinking helps eliminate the nausea a lot—something about the natural alcohol, maybe? I want to try this way next time I have both wine and seeds.

01-13-07, 14:08	#23 (permalink)
ANON Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 311	i've heard that some seeds are sprayed with stuff to make them insuitable for digestion. Does anyone know of any internet suppliers which you can purchase them from, and are safe for digestion? __________________ "Only nut cases want to be president.” --Kurt Vonnegut Jr

01-13-07, 22:26	#25 (permalink)
~twizzz Guest Posts: n/a	Some places do "treat" the seeds to make people sick, the stuff can be rinsed off the seeds by placing them in a collinder and soaping them up than rinse the suds. If your looking for MG seeds type in bulk morning glory into your search engine, you can find them for 20 USD an LB organic untreated.

01-14-07, 00:11	#26 (permalink)
ANON Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 311	Doing some searching I was able to find 2.5 pounds of MG seeds via IamShaman.com for 15$ http://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Bro...orning%20Glory If I decide to check this out, are there any precautions one would need to take other than the standard preparations for tripping? __________________ "Only nut cases want to be president.” --Kurt Vonnegut Jr

01-14-07, 14:16	#27 (permalink)
~twizzz Guest Posts: n/a	the claviceps in the seeds will probably make you sick if you dont extract in some form or another, otherwise MG seeds are similar to LSD except, from my experience, far less intense and far less potent, you'll be more in control of your thought process, but I've heard of others having fairly intense MG trips. Appearently there is no standrdized LSA content so a little bit might do the trick and alot may not, better to go with a decent ammount and if you end up tripping really hard, oh well, have fun and ride it thru' There's a good chance that the seeds may be impotent so I'd say go for more just incase, there is hardly anything more annoying than barley tripping.

01-14-07, 16:27	#30 (permalink)
ANON Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 311	Is there any real disadvantage to eating the seeds, perhaps in a smoothie mix, as opposed to using an extract? __________________ "Only nut cases want to be president.” --Kurt Vonnegut Jr

01-14-07, 17:56	#31 (permalink)
~twizzz Guest Posts: n/a	Clavicep poisoning-You might get sick. Claviceps are non-polar, but slightly polar. A cold water extraction is not likely to get much of the claviceps if any, but if you leave the seeds in the smoothie, your drinking claviceps as well as LSA. LSA are polar so they will get in the water, the claviceps could potentially, I think they are peptolipid, or lipid like, which are fats if you dont know. Over all they are non polar but have a polar end which means they could end up in a polar solution unless you first do a defatt with a non-polar solvent like naphtha to remove the non-polar impurity, water soluble oils.

01-14-07, 18:10	#32 (permalink)
~twizzz Guest Posts: n/a	flowersoul.com- 1/4ozblue morning glory like 5 bucks like 16 bucks for a pound. http://swallowtailgardenseeds.com/index.html 5,000seeds heavenly blue 12 bucks

01-14-07, 19:25	#33 (permalink)
ANON Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 311	thanks! __________________ "Only nut cases want to be president.” --Kurt Vonnegut Jr

01-18-07, 21:52	#34 (permalink)
aumbrellaforainydays Abandon certainty! Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,227	Morning glory and Hawaiian baby woodrose dosage For HBWR its 10+ seeds and for Morning glory its 250+ seeds? Just wanted to recheck this. __________________ Best meet what comes when it comes.

01-19-07, 00:43	#35 (permalink)
Jetson Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 328	well, I can confirm the morming glory dose.

01-19-07, 03:30	#36 (permalink)
mrpanda It is big and I am clever Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 616	10 HBWR should do the trick. __________________ Weeeeeeeee. That is all.