Rue Xtals - easily

[thepope]

Ok, I found this text on erowid, and I wanted to see if anyoe here has experience with it...., I'll post the text at the bottom of this post, but first a couple of notes about it.....

The basic procedure is:
Boil seeds with acidified water 3 times,
add lots of salt, then freeze precipitate it all,
Next filter, dry, and extract out the alkaloids with ethanol..... (Salt doesn't dissolve in alcohol, so use as high proof as possible, else there will be salt content)

Does anyone know about what the average yields are for something like this?

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DOSE :25 mginsufflatedHarmala (powder / crystals)
BODY WEIGHT :165 lb

At this moment I am looking at my Harmine HCL crystals growing on a plate... I saw this extraction somewhere else on the net, and didn't know If anyone had tried it, but it works... The first time I tried it I didn't get the 4 mm long crystals that I was supposed to get, but the whole extraction process I went through just became a cluster fuck in my kitchen... I hadn't cleaned all my glass properly, and I didn't have what I needed at that time....

Now I have seen harmine hcl for sale online and in can cost as much as $100 a gram, and you can buy a pound of seeds for less than half that and do your own extraction.... hmmmm

Anyway, here is the process I used to get the beautiful 1-4 mm long crystals growing on my plate... I don't even know who's process this is that I am stealing, but the one I use is for chem idiots like me, no math or any thing involved...

Step one:
Take your harmala seeds and boil 'em ( you can add an acid or not. I always add a little vinegar, never measure though). When they have boiled for about 30 mins, strain the water with a tea strainer into a pyrex measuring cup/mixing bowl thing you can get from a grocery store. Boil 'em again... strain into the same container. Boil 'em again... strain into the same container.

Step two:
Dump the seeds and wash the pot you were using. Boil some water and add rock salt (important to use rock salt because there is noting add to it, regular table salt fas stuff add to it. If you have to use table salt, make sure it doesn't have Iodine in it). Keep adding rock salt to your booiling water 'till No more disolves, so now you have a super saturated salt-water solution....

Step three:
strain the hot salt water into you hamarla boilings to keep out the salt rocks, Only adding enough salt water so that you have 2 or 3 parts harmala-water and 1 part Salt-water. I try to make sure that I have 3 times as much harmala solution as I have salt water.

Step four:
Stir it all up, then add a little bit of cold water to aid in the cooling of the mixture...SOMETHING should precipitate out. That's a good thing: the crystals form when the temp of the solution drops. Put it in the freezer for an hour. After that put it in the fridge for a few hours (longer if ya like, but three of four hours is what I did).

Step five:
There should be a whole bunch of crystals and grunge at the bottom of your container It doesn't matter how big the crystals are just yet.... I could hardly notice that they were actually crystals, the just happened to be about 1 mm little needles. Now it should be strained again...I used a bandanna to strain , but a t-shirt will work... Put your filter cloth over the top of a big stock pot and slowly pour you crungy/crystal solution through it... Now you can dump the shit in the pot outand lay your t-shirt over the pot under a fan to dry out...

Step six:
It should look like you have extracted sparkling dirt from the seeds... Scrape all your sparkling dirt off your t-shirt and into a clear glass container and add just enough methyl alcohol (ethyl should work too though, and you will know when there's enough you'll have yellowish/reddish/orangish alchy with brown shit in the bottom). The sparkles dissolve and the crunge doesn't... strain again through a t-shirt and into your a flat Pyrex baking dish or onto a clear plate. Place under a fan or somewhere with adequate ventilation and wait and watch....
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[condo_pygmy]

swim first did this hamala HCL tek:
http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/vi...ht=hcl+peganum
then switched to the sea salt tek & was getting about a gram of sandy hamala from an oz Rue seeds..

[Scroto Baggins]

How much sandy harmala did SWIM use for an average dose.

[condo_pygmy]

approx. 150mg - 200mg per dose,
this was mixed with about same amount of spice into 7UP.
{effects within 40 min & lasted a few hrs}

[thepope]

where did swim acquire the 30+% HCl,
my foaf was unable to locate it at his local Ace

[condo_pygmy]

Swim found a container of 20% HCL in basement, worked just fine...

[thepope]

my foaf doesn't see the point in the boil 3 times, add salt, freeze, dry, extract, dry again....
Thats a lot of steps compared to
Soak in hot vinegar water, let sit for 24hr, then strain, boil dry, then extract with alcohol.....

Would the salting out/freeze precip provide a cleaner less nauseating product??? It says to hard boil 3 times, which the other doc says will release waxes/gums that make you nauseous (unless the gums/waxes are not dissolved by alcohol.....)
How was the body load with your extract condo?

Has anyone tried letting the seeds soak in alcohol for 24 hrs, then straining it, boiling off?

[condo_pygmy]

Yes, soaking crushed rue in grain alcohol 24hr to remove sediment will greatly reduce nausea...
Also with the harmala 7UP mix no nausea was present !!

[Rasa]

I feel dumb, but can I ask you guys what the effects of rue is? are you taking it alone? if so, what does it do for you? I have some, just no idea what to do with it, lol, Many thanks, Ras

I think 30% HCl is used for swimming pool maintenance.

Does wonders to the sinuses, [joke]
be careful.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by condo_pygmy

swim first did this hamala HCL tek:
http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/vi...ht=hcl+peganum
then switched to the sea salt tek & was getting about a gram of sandy hamala from an oz Rue seeds..

gee,
some real a-holes over there at ayahuasca.com still,
i see,
after reading that linked thread.
such a shame that high intelligence so often
is strongly correlated with poor social skills.

to spare the rest of y'all from wading thru that BS
here's a .pdf of the actual extraction method used by 'meteor'

Thanks Hippie for pointing out that the sinuses comment is definitey a joke, and a bad one too.

For those of you who have not handled dangerous chemicals one of big "do not do's" is smell a chemical directly with your nose. If you really need to smell it at all, then carefully waft some of the air over the mouth of the container and smell the wafted air from at least a foot away from the container.

Hydrochloric acid is HCl dissolved in water and is very volitile. The fumes are super gnarly and will chemically burn the inside of the nose.

Use lower % stuff if you can get it.

[Doctor D]

Does smoked or snorted rue (or harmaline crystals) have a shorter period of dietary restriction, or is it about the same as ingestion?

[kong]

I'd treat it the same.

[Vapor]

Rasa,
Not dumb...good question.
Rue is a legal entheogen(so far) and it is also an MAO inhibitor which makes it possible to get off on orally administered DMT and is reported to enhance and change the effects of shrooms, cactus, and LSA. Reports indicate that it halves the dosage needed of the hallucinogen used with it to achieve the same or greater effect than you'd get without it. It is not safe to use with certain foods, certain cacti, and certain drugs, for instance, speed. Lots of homework is indicated before trying to experience rue either alone or in combination with other substances.
When used with other hallucinogens it has a tendency to calm the subject while enhancing and prolonging the power of the experience.
It has long been used as a dye in the east and as an aphrodasic in Iraq.
I can vouch for this effect. Hard on city!!! You will last a long time too.
It also can induce purges that can knock the shit straight out of you or initiate unexpected barfing.
For your partner's sake, and your own, make sure that you have cleared "la purga", if it occurs, before you Feed the Dragon.
Read up on MAO inhibitors, the dos and don'ts, before you physically approach experimenting with this entheogen which is powerful in its own right and due great respect.