another mescaline thread

[zook]

i have a few questions and i dont want to intrude on anyone elses thread so here goes. i started an extraction basically following the standard 'for dummies' tek using xylene and i used vinegar as my acid so i should get mescaline acetate.

My extraction looks exactly like some of the pictures in the thread posted by user 'synth' (except no brown liquids) and also like one of the pics in the waylitjims tek in the vaults.




what i dont understand is two things:

1) how did the very white clear crystalline substance left after evaporation in both teks go from a white crystal to a brownish powder? (mine is clear crystalline and seems to melt a little at room temp, and looks like ice slush when broken up and not a crystalline powder)

2) some teks mention that at the last stage when the water with alkaloids is neutral the temp can be dropped to near freezing and the salts will fall out, however this didnt work for me any ideas why it only seems to work when evapd and is near freezing somehow better?

[synth]

hello there.

1) i've never seen mesc HAc, not really sure what to make of that melting point.
are you sure it's totally dry? if it is troublesome, you will probably have to
repeat an a/b on your product. you can't just basify and dump some HCl or
H2SO4 in there.. you will end up with some HAc in the mix again.
as for the brown discoloration, i think the consensus is that it is maybe some
fats and/or degraded chlorophyll.

2) solubility, my friend. by evapping, you decreased the volume of solvent.
by lowering the temp, you decreased solubility. -> precipitation

[zook]

hi, just wanted say thanks for responding to my thread. I just now realized i made a mistake in that the tek ii referred to was 'vinz' not yours, sorry i got the names mixed up. Im thinking maybe 'vinz' got dark brown crystals or tan powder is cuz of the muriatic acid he used? I got crystal clear stuff when using the vinegar and it does melt at room temp but stiffens when put in an oven on warm and also stiffens when put in the fridge (after its been evaped not when its in water).

One note, your response said something about evaping the solvent, i dont know if that was a typo or maybe you just misunderstood the way i went about my tek because i was unclear. So to clarify, i boiled my easter eggs in distilled water with some vinegar mixed in. Then added plenty of lye until PH was a 10-13. Then added 25% mass xylene, mixed, and let sit. Then carefully siphoned just the xylene. Then added the vinegar until the PH was neutral or as close as i can tell to a 7-7.2 by matching colors on these PH-strips. Actually I overshot and it got too acidic so i had to add more lye but then i overshot that! So then i added more vinegar but only a little at a time and then i got it right. Then I saved just the bottom layer of neutralized vinegar/distilled water. And then finally I evapped the water and i was pretty sure there was no solvent left in there.

However like i said im getting just that clear crystal looking stuff but it does not look like a salt and looks nothing like the pics of dry tan powder or dry brown powders. Also it does not look like the very well defined clear crystals that are on erowid and other sites. It looks like the ice that forms a slushy layer on top of water when its beginning to freeze.

My guess is that its either because i didnt use muriatic acid or sulfuric and or because i didnt do a cold anyhdrous acetone wash. So ill see if i can do another batch and use the muriatic acid this time. Im just wondering if what i have is safe to consume, i guess theres only one way to find out..

[inspectorgadget]

Originally Posted by zook

hi, just wanted say thanks for responding to my thread. I just now realized i made a mistake in that the tek ii referred to was 'vinz' not yours, sorry i got the names mixed up. Im thinking maybe 'vinz' got dark brown crystals or tan powder is cuz of the muriatic acid he used? I got crystal clear stuff when using the vinegar and it does melt at room temp but stiffens when put in an oven on warm and also stiffens when put in the fridge (after its been evaped not when its in water).

One note, your response said something about evaping the solvent, i dont know if that was a typo or maybe you just misunderstood the way i went about my tek because i was unclear. So to clarify, i boiled my easter eggs in distilled water with some vinegar mixed in. Then added plenty of lye until PH was a 10-13. Then added 25% mass xylene, mixed, and let sit. Then carefully siphoned just the xylene. Then added the vinegar until the PH was neutral or as close as i can tell to a 7-7.2 by matching colors on these PH-strips. Actually I overshot and it got too acidic so i had to add more lye but then i overshot that! So then i added more vinegar but only a little at a time and then i got it right. Then I saved just the bottom layer of neutralized vinegar/distilled water. And then finally I evapped the water and i was pretty sure there was no solvent left in there.

However like i said im getting just that clear crystal looking stuff but it does not look like a salt and looks nothing like the pics of dry tan powder or dry brown powders. Also it does not look like the very well defined clear crystals that are on erowid and other sites. It looks like the ice that forms a slushy layer on top of water when its beginning to freeze.

My guess is that its either because i didnt use muriatic acid or sulfuric and or because i didnt do a cold anyhdrous acetone wash. So ill see if i can do another batch and use the muriatic acid this time. Im just wondering if what i have is safe to consume, i guess theres only one way to find out..

I realize i'm posting extremely late here, but in the offchance that someone catches this... um, what are the chances that's lye you're looking at? Are you dead?

Anyway I'm using Vinegar myself, waiting for it to dry out... hopefully it will work...

[roc]

Funny thing to run across this thread... I just attempted to follow waylit's simple teck and I used vinegar instaed of muratic acid as well.
I consumed the first pull this weekend and no doubt had a little lye left in it. I too got the slushy kinda stuff you mentioned and consumed it. The next day I looked at the pile and it had melted together at room temp.
The lye was a small annonance but I did ok and took off as expected. I tried a second pull and again used vinegar and all I got was a smooth slime in the evap dish... definately lye. Reminded me of scraping soap instead of crystals.
I have returned the xylol back for a last attempt and will be using muratic the next time.
Still have a half kilo to work with if all else fails.

btw I sure did enjoy the ride that lasted 12 hours and brought back memories of my younger days!

[inspectorgadget]

Originally Posted by roc

Funny thing to run across this thread... I just attempted to follow waylit's simple teck and I used vinegar instaed of muratic acid as well.
I consumed the first pull this weekend and no doubt had a little lye left in it. I too got the slushy kinda stuff you mentioned and consumed it. The next day I looked at the pile and it had melted together at room temp.
The lye was a small annonance but I did ok and took off as expected. I tried a second pull and again used vinegar and all I got was a smooth slime in the evap dish... definately lye. Reminded me of scraping soap instead of crystals.
I have returned the xylol back for a last attempt and will be using muratic the next time.
Still have a half kilo to work with if all else fails.

btw I sure did enjoy the ride that lasted 12 hours and brought back memories of my younger days!

See... you tripped, SWIM didn't. So bizarre. I wonder if he should even attempt to use vinegar again.

Was it really difficult to scoop the stuff up?

Also my stuff was kinda a pasty brownish type, not really slushy...

[roc]

I am dropping the vinegar cause I don't like the gooey brown stuff!

I was really disappointed in the amount I got out of the first pull... I did have some crystal shapes form and it was kinda dry from the evap dish and overnight it went to mush. I scooped the glob up and dripped / dunked it in my first cup of coffee.

Great ride and I am excited to refine my skills.

[inspectorgadget]

Originally Posted by roc

I am dropping the vinegar cause I don't like the gooey brown stuff!

SWIM also had "gooey brown stuff." I don't understand why he didn't trip. Upsetting.

[roc]

OK so it's time for the next pull and I am doing the muratic acid this time and the bottle is in the freezer... will update ya gadget!

[Dipole]

I wonder if vinegar is too dilute at 5%. Maybe you need to use higher concentration acetic acid.

Why not neutralize the lye with excess vinegar? Sodium acetate is OK, although it might taste weird. Alkalies like lye should have a bitter taste.

[synth]

i don't think you'll be able to taste any crapsalts over mescaline.
no f'in way. =]