Bufo Alvarius Porn/Colorado River Toad

[CoyoteMesc]

Most of you have seen her before,
this is LP. Sorry she didn't make it to the BNL
bufoLP 001.jpg bufoLP 002.jpg bufoLP 003.jpg
bufoLP 007.jpg

[CoyoteMesc]

she had just pooped in her dish, thats whats on her belly too...hehe

I coulda cleaned her up for the photos
sorry

[oibchip]

she's a beaut!

[Cowcharmer]

She looks very healthy and happy CM.
I remember that one guy who wanted to sell his toad, the one that was very skinny. I believe you almost bought it, or did you ?

Anyway.. its good to see you know what your doing, She looks marvelous.

[waylitjim]

What's her diet like?

[agentprovocateur]

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

she had just pooped in her dish, thats whats on her belly too...hehe

I coulda cleaned her up for the photos
sorry

What a filthy hooker...

[Mermaidia]

Originally Posted by waylitjim

What's her diet like?

Pinkies, Fuzzies, crickets, meal worms... and she also gets two vitamins supplements. These toads are prone to a calcium deficiency. So the food is gut loaded and dusted to make sure she is getting plenty.

Good thing about her and I think we have said this before is that she excretes the waste in the water. It makes it easy to clean up.

[prankster]

Really nice. I want also one but i have no chance to get them in europe

[CoyoteMesc]

also she get minnows from time to time

[Mycolangelo]

Do they lose potency in captivity like poison dart frogs do?

[CoyoteMesc]

I have no idea. Why would they if you replicated their natural habitat and nutrition? But I dunno.

[seymorebunz]

Cool Toad CM and Merm!!!

Thanks for sharing.......I've been looking into getting one of my own for some time now.

Do they require allot of attention?? I travel allot, so it probably wouldn't be a good idea.....

[CoyoteMesc]

no, not at all. just keeping the water fresh and feeding every three to four days.

[seymorebunz]

Another question........ever milk her??

[xerimyco]

Originally Posted by Mycolangelo

Do they lose potency in captivity like poison dart frogs do?

Without doubt. A toad that has been milked produces more venom stores fairly quickly, but it takes years to become real potent again.

[CoyoteMesc]

And this research was found ?
I would love to read more on the subject if you got a link or a suggested reading.

[mycot]

Cool ass thread thread Coyote. And she's a beauty.

I doubt whether this research has any real authentic basis.

[xerimyco]

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

And this research was found ?
I would love to read more on the subject if you got a link or a suggested reading.

It is my own personal observation.

A select few people here in Arizona's Sonoran Desert have known of the magic contained in Bufo alvarius venom since the 70's. Most people found out about it from Dr. Weil's article (only available on pay sites online, abstract and excerpt at Erowid HERE) from the early 90's, and think this was the first mention of toads containing 5-MeO-DMT in the literature, but this is not so. A scientific article was published, in Italian, in the early 70's that showed the presence of massive quantities of 5-MeO-DMT in Bufo alvarius venom. Resourceful psychonauts here became aware of this article (Thank you University of Arizona Science Library and a certain student fluent in Italian!) a few years after it's publication and the journey began. (I have talked to some folks who claim to have known about this before the Italian article, in the 60's, but I can't confirm this.) The info took more than a decade to filter up to Doctor Weil (through White Dog, I believe), and then to the greater entheogenic community through his publication. I believe, but am not 100% sure, that the sample Weil smoked in the article was from White Dog's captive toads. This explains his "There is nothing scary about the effects.." comment.

Here (5-MeO-DMT from natural sources) is a link to a previous post I made about this subject.

My point is basically this: If the toad venom you smoke doesn't blow your mind and scare the shit out of you, you either smoked it wrong or it was from a young or captive toad. Virgin venom from a big toad is invariably a ego death/rebirth mind explosion.

As a side note, we are experiencing a very good Monsoon season this year. I've gotten over six inches of rain this July, about three times the normal amount. The toads only come out during the Monsoon rains, (with a few exceptions), and since we had good rains last year too, the toad population is HUGE. I saw over 300 toads in a two mile drive the other night. A sad sight every year is the hundreds of dead, run-over toads on the roads. They congregate in great numbers under the street lights to eat the insects drawn to the light. They don't even try to escape the cars, and dimwits actually try to run them over, leaving flattened toad carcasses all over the place. The toad's innards are expelled when run over, and the remaining skin dries to a leathery texture in the desert sun. Resourceful people have discovered that these "road toads" still contain the DMT bearing venom, and that it can easily be harvested. The parotid gland is cut from the rest of the skin, and bent inwards. The venom is present on the bottom (inner) side as little pebbles of amber, glasslike substace that correspond with the pores on the gland that the venom would normally be milked from. It is VERY potent. I'll take my camera out some night soon and post photos of lots of toads.

Originally Posted by mycot

I doubt whether this research has any real authentic basis.

Why? Do you know me? Or are you just used to hanging with people who make shit up? Do you have any knowledge with which you can refute me? I assure you that my almost three decades of experience with this quite conclusively point to a severe drop in potentcy in previously milked toeds.

[CoyoteMesc]

It is my own personal observation.

Thats cool, but my experience thus far is that it is pretty fucking mind blowing. And I do have a captive bred and she has been milked at least three times. Her venom may get weak over time and your opinion may be validated. But for now I must say thats its a guess at best for you to say:

Without doubt. A toad that has been milked produces more venom stores fairly quickly, but it takes years to become real potent again.

Too many unlisted variables. From nutrition all the way to gene/genetics past on from toad to toad. I think you could have a potent adult at home(captive bred) that is potent and find one in the wild that barely had any 5-meo at all. And what about individual tolerance? How do we know you cant build tolerance? Also I have went years with out doing some drugs then try one or two and get WAISTED...but no where near "The first time I did it". With out real data Im not convinced of your theory. Make sense tho., but too many loose bolts for now

It truly must be cool to see all those toads coming out after those rains. You should get some pics of some tadpoles too if you find some
I once read that in captivity you would need a hormone(along with imitating their natural breeding grounds, temps, etc) to breed em. What do you think?

[xerimyco]

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

But for now I must say thats its a guess at best for you to say:

O.K., that may be so. My statement is not backed up by a rigorous, controlled scientific experiment. I have not done such an experiment, and I don't know of anyone who has. It is better than a guess however. Like most info on forums like this, it is anecdotal, and therefore somewhere on the continuum of knowledge between rigorous scientific fact and a "guess". I have known a good handful of people who have held toads in captivity, and draw from that. Now I have one more person (you) to gain knowledge from. I look forward to your results.

Are you sure you completely exhausted the venom stores in the toad's glands in the first milking? If not, your three milkings may be in reality one milking done in three sessions.

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

And I do have a captive bred...

Your toad is offspring off captive toads? That is cool. I don't know anyone who has successfully bred captive alvarius. You mention a hormone- do you know what it is and how to use it? I have never really looked into this, but I guess that hobbyist herpetologists must have some way to get them to breed.

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

and find one in the wild that barely had any 5-meo at all.

I haven't yet. My thesis is not that captive toads are not potent. It is that previously milked toads are less potent. I think if you somehow got one of the same wild toads that you had milked the year before, (unlikely considering the vast number out there) it would be less potent. There are a lot of people that have toads that live in their yard, that are not captive, but choose to live in the moist environment of the yard (people watering grass and landscaping), and come up on the porch or to windows to eat insects drawn to the lights. I know of at least a few people that have named their amphibious yard-mates. They also report lessened potency from previously milked toads.

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

And what about individual tolerance? How do we know you cant build tolerance?

You can develop a tolerance to 5-MeO-DMT, short term. Repeated doses over even a day can develop a tolerance that makes the experience less unpleasant, but (in my case anyway), using this much makes for bad aftereffects that last for a day or two. Tolerance has no bearing on my observations though. I have directly compared virgin and non-virgin venom in the same session, both personally and observing.

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

With out real data Im not convinced of your theory. Make sense tho., but too many loose bolts for now

That's cool! Skepticism is good! I didn't mean to discourage you from keeping your pet toads. Like I said, I look forward to your results. I'm sure you will find out something I didn't know, then I will know it thanks to you.

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

It truly must be cool to see all those toads coming out after those rains. You should get some pics of some tadpoles too if you find some

It is! If I can't get out with my digital soon, I will scan some slides (remember those things?) from the dark ages that show tadpoles, juvenile and adult toads in great numbers. Also good habitat pictures. And the milking technique.

[CoyoteMesc]

Cool,
Sounds like you have more experience with them than I will gain for some time. I dont plan to keep milking her. I tried it a few times, and I like it. But for the most part I dont feel as tho it is worth the entire process for the high. Call me lazy..lol. I do enjoy feeding her, my kids love it. I also enjoy taking care of her. Weird too, I never been a reptile person to say the least. Your also right when you say I may not have gotten all the goods when I milked her. I did not try to get ever last bit. I figured it wasn't worth the stress on the toad.
I may in the future milk her some more, Im sure I will. But Im content with having her and letting her be, ya know. She may lose potency but If the day comes that Im ready to get high off some 5-meo venom, I bet LP does the trick

Slides....lol yeah I think I have heard of those haha
I dont know if she is captive bred for sure but the sponsor here had some that were too young to sell at one time, im guessing tadpoles. Maybe they were found but I wouldnt think so.
Ill also try to find the info on the hormone I spoke about earlier. Im pretty sure tho that it was just saying very briefly how to breed em and that most of the time you would need an assistance from a vet with a hormone. Ill try and find it later and post it here.

[mycot]

Xerimyco as far as I know there have been no controlled scientific studies done in this area that have been published. Neither do I neccesarilly doubt your own experience in this area. But too often in the entheogenic community a poster may repeat what they have read elseware by another poster regardless of it's accuracy and without first hand experience of their own. And so inaccurate memes are perpetuated and may persist a long time. You never indicated that your statement derived from your own personal studies as not much detail was given.No offence was meant.
My only interest is in perpetuating good accurate data.Have a hug.

Now back to the subject at hand. As Coyote indicates there is little confirmed data in this area and many unconsidered variables, let alone accurate quantitative studies. The answers to really basic neccessy questions are even hard to come by. One I have is this. Lets say one milks a toad who's sacs are full for half it's venom. How long does it take for the toad to quantitatively replace those supplies, disregarding the potentcy.

One variable that should be seriously considered is whether the toad is getting adequate tryptophan in its diet as shortages in this area may seriously affect tryptamine production.

[eastwood]

Beautiful Bufo alvarious ... looks happy and healthy .... is it male or female??? great pictures. Im happy he/she has a good home..

[doobydoobydoo]

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

Most of you have seen her before,
this is LP. Sorry she didn't make it to the BNL

WOW, those are awesome pics CM!

One very beautiful girl.