Manufacturing LSD

[Magik]

I just have found this and want to ask some questions.

MANUFACTURE OF LSD

Materials:

1. Ergotamine tartrate

2. Hydrazine hydrate

3. Hydrazide

4. Hydrochloric Acid

5. Sodium Nitrite

6. Sodium Bicarbonate

7. Diethylamine

8. Ether

9. Flasks

10. Filter paper

11. Heating mantle

12. 2 liter three-necked round bottom flask

Time: Approximately 36 hours.

Process:

STEP 1: In a 2 liter three-necked round bottom flask
add to 2 grams of ergotamine tartrate about 1/2 gram
of hydrazine hydrate. Exercise caution when adding
the hydrazine hydrate because it is very poisonous,
particularly to the eyes.

STEP 2: Place a condensing column on one neck of the
flask. Place a stirring device in the center neck and
place a separatory funnel in the thick neck. (Note:
hydrazide hydrate may be added through a separatory
funnel although it is not necessary.)

STEP 3: Place the flask on a heating mantle and simmer
the solution for 2-3 hours while stirring occasionally.

STEP 4: Remove condensing column from flask and continue
to cook for 10-15 minutes or until the original solution
is reduced by half.

STEP 5: After solution has cooled, pour the solution
through filter paper and collect the crystals that
formed. Wash the crystals in a small amount of
absolute alcohol.



STEP 6: Dissolve the crystals in about 30cc of diluted
hydrochloric acid. (Note: diluted hydrochloric acid is
mixed at a rate of 1 part acid to 10 or 15 parts water.)

STEP 7: To the hydrochloric acid solution add about
15cc of a solution of sodium nitrite diluted in water.
(Note: one part sodium nitrite to 10 or 15 parts
water.) Let this solution stand for about 30 minutes.

STEP 8: To this solution add about one teaspoonful of
sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to make the solution
basic.

STEP 9: Place this solution in a separatory funnel and
add to it an equal quantity of ether. Shake this
solution gently for about 5 minutes.

STEP 10: Separate the ether solution from the
separatory funnel and keep the ether solution. The
remainder may be discarded.

STEP 11: Cool the ether solution to 0 degrees Celsius
and to the solution add a solution of about .5 gram
of diethylamine mixed with ether.

STEP 12: Maintain the solution at 0 degrees Celsius for
24 hours, stirring it occasionally (perhaps 4 hour
intervals.)

STEP 13: Remove the solution from the ice bath and
allow it to stand at room temperature for about 2
hours, or until it evaporates. The remaining crystals
will be crude LSD.

Obviously you should not attempt this method without at least
some first-year state level Chemistry.

Now i'm not going to attempt it, but if you read some books on chem or even had a chem set, still by no means you should attempt such unless you took a college course correct?, and is it dangerous to attempt? Is it the ingrediants?, and why is dmt considered not as hard to create?

If there is any thing i did wrong with this thread just let me know.

Thx.

[SWIM]

Trying to buy ergotamine tartrate is proof of intent to manufacture LSD. Trying to buy hydrazine or diathalamine is probable cause to suspect you intend to produce controlled substances. Assuming just for conversation's sake that you have safe underground sources for these, getting from those crude crystals this synth purportedly produces to high grade silver fluff requires considerable knowledge skill and equipment. I've read that Bear discarded 20% of his output in the process of purifying it.

There are synths to be found online for other materials which are just as desirable but less critical and risky to produce. If by any chance you are actually interested and not just seeking conversation, look into the 2C series.

[spacecake]

Originally Posted by Magik

and is it dangerous to attempt? Is it the ingrediants?, and why is dmt considered not as hard to create?

If there is any thing i did wrong with this thread just let me know.

Thx.

Because you don't create it,you extract..there's a difference.

Same as syntetic/natural

[Magik]

Ahhh so i see, i am interested but i had feeling it would be next to impossible to try without the proper requirements, sad though that lsd is hard to get, a FOAF sold SWIM 2 hits for $25 and nothing happened it was in a jell tab like a microscopic piece of gum. Chances are it probably wasn't real or was cut acid anyways. And as 2C you mean 2C-B right?

[bear]

It's kind of one of those 'If you have to ask you probably can't' type things.

Probably:
Read something > try an extraction > find a lab instructor/class or read like hell > spent 1-2k on equipment?? > find the stuff, find a place, etc.

There are a lot of tricks to it too. If you make it under normal light bulbs you'll degrade your product.. and purification, you at least need to be familiar with chromatography.. its done by hplc most of the time now

[Hippie3]

where's that miracle-gro / dead snake recipe
when you need it.,..

[oibchip]

[Hidra]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

where's that miracle-gro / dead snake recipe
when you need it.,..

yeah!

it was much easier!

[Magik]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

where's that miracle-gro / dead snake recipe
when you need it.,..

What!?

[Freaky]

I'm not smart enough for chemistry, I'd blow my kitchen up

[Apparition]

You must first understand the molecule.

[bluefungis182]

[brodus]

There are a few ways to get the listed/tracked chemicals without arousing suspicion.

If you search around and use your head, you'll find them.

Here's a couple for Erogtamine Tartrate (FYI--both require an extraction/additional step to get what you need):

1. You can purchase ergot/Claviceps purpurea.

2. You can culture Claviceps Purpurea much like you do mushroom cultures, and then perform an extraction. Lycaeum > Leda > Culture and Extraction of Ergot Alkaloids

3. You can find the fungus if you're in the country where Rye is grown.

4. There is a prescription drug called "Cafergot" (also Cafatine PB, Ercaf, Ergo-Caff, Migergot, Wigraine). It is prescribed for migraines. Its Caffeine + Ergotamine Tartrate. Unfortunately each pill only has 1mg.-2mg. of Ergotamine Tartrate, and you need 2,000mg., so you'd need 1-2,000 pills...and they're not cheap...

I would presume there are other avenues as well...

[spacecake]

In other words..forget it,to expensive..to difficult to even try !
Just extract some dmt or grow shrooms etc....

[Magik]

So it's out of question. I wonder what would be more of teacher to learn from or spiritual LSD, Shrooms, or dmt? But i guess that decides on the user.

Thx though!

[jimbojones]

Originally Posted by bear

It's kind of one of those 'If you have to ask you probably can't' type things.

Definately. You are probably money ahead to fly to NY, find a high priced prostitute with good connections. Pay for her services for the weekend and buy a hit from her. You will likely get more micrograms per $ and a blowjob to boot.

[Caljet666]

LSD is the holy grail of cooking. Even with the needed chems, you still need $$$$ of equipment, and then the hardest thing to aquire is the skills. If you are interested in the chemistry there are many tryptamines 100 fold easier to produce, and also many hallucinagenic phenethylamines.

[MurCurY]

about a year ago i bought a 10# bag of rye....it was loaded with ergot. I think I may have some of the sclerotia in a jar someplace.

[bear]

I would direct serious inquiries to read about Casey Freeblood Hardison

[mikey logical]

I have a friend of FOAF who has made this substance three times now and each time they get a little better. Of course he is an experienced chemist using his own methods but I do know that one of my old aquaintences spent almost 10 years just perfecting his cleanup and laying of the product let alone his reaction process'. I also remember him fighting with a very nasty case of ganggreene that was contracted while messing with ergot, so I wouldn't think that you would want to play with this substance without all the proper gear. I'm not saying its impossible but I am saying that its best left to a real chemist not a first year chem student, the damage you can do to your body and those around you may make for the worst trip ever attempted. Of course if you do find an alternative and do succeed in an unharmful way, the world over will be anxious to try your gift.

[Set]

Originally Posted by Magik

So it's out of question. I wonder what would be more of teacher to learn from or spiritual LSD, Shrooms, or dmt? But i guess that decides on the user.

Thx though!

I suppose in the end it would depend on the user. However experiences are out there to be drawn upon... and this is really a simple theoretical question. Statistically speaking, which of those three substances has had a greater spiritual impact on the largest number of people?

I've talked to a number of hippies and people who lived throught the 60's... most of them had next to no experience with DMT but some of them had plenty of experience with LSD and shrooms. Of those two they invariably said that shrooms was the more spiritual experience. And I mean total agreement, not a single one said differently (people from different background/sources too). So I'm willing to bet that from those two shrooms is the most likely winner in that arena for any given user.

DMT is harder, in that there seem to be fewer experiences available for me to draw on. Although it seems to be gaining 'popularity' in the western world.

However it's apparently been around and used for a very long time, and with very spiritual results... at least when taken in the ayahuasca form. I've spoken with a few people who've experienced both forms, and they equated aya very much to shrooms... and pure DMT had no real equation. They did relate that the aya form was spiritual while the smoked lacked some certian something. I've heard very little input there.

Also, don't forget Mescaline! When you're talking about spirituality and teachers those three have had a lot of background. Mesc, shrooms, ayahuasca.

DMT and LSD, seem to have less of a spirituality inherent in the experience.

That being said, there is certainly a good amount of spirituality ready to be gleaned from LSD.

[Shadowlord]

That is what is so terrible about the world today!
LSD is so hard to manufacture that it is hard to find and those who do get it, by necessity have to worry about LEO.
I hope someday to be able to learn to produce it b/4 it disappears entirely but I doubt that will happen.
That's why I search high and low for anyone who has a link to it.
I've been able to come across some decent blotter in recent times but don't know how long that will last and truly hope to be blessed with some fluff one day.
I haven't tried all the other psychedelics/hallucinogens out there yet, but so far nothing compares to LSD. It is needed now more than ever.
There may still be hope in Mescaline though. Not as hard to produce as it is extracted like DMT instead of being created. Will know more after a little cactus tea this weekend!

[hyphaenation]

I wonder how much LSD Eli Lilly made while they held the patent. They held it for a number of years just before it was made illegal, then it was sold to an odd sounding group ... pharmitalia (sounds mafia-liketo me).

I bet you they made barrels, beyond what they made for the CIA. If a suitcase full of crystal could get all of north america high, what would a barrel do ?

[Space Mongrel]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

where's that miracle-gro / dead snake recipe
when you need it.,..

I wish I had that recipe, sounds like uncle Joe's snake oil hair loss remedy. If it was that simple I'd be frying right now. LOL.

[tregar]

If you really want to learn about what goes into making LSD I suggest reading the book "LSD" by Otto Snow...there is no better book out there, just came out a few years ago.

The book "LSD my problem child" has always been a classic as well but does not touch on the chemistry as Mr. Snow does.

The reason why most of the chemist purchase "ergotamine tartrate" allready pre-made from Afghanastan or wherever (and it's really hard to get from what I've read) is because trying to make ergotamine tartrate from claviceps purpurea is very dangerous! In otto snow's book he saids you have to wear a gas mask and take extreme precautions as working with claviceps purpurea is very toxic and deadly.

Then otto snow saids even if you have the ergotamine tartrate you then have to learn how to work in conditions such as under an argon gas atmosphere so that oxygen cannot get into your reactions and destroy your product. He saids the product in freebase form is destroyed by air + light conditions.

Of course you have to know chromatography and usually the only type of chemist involved in LSD creation is someone who is allready on the cutting edge of chemistry projects...someone with a doctorate working in the high end parts of the field. Did I mention that diethylamine is toxic?

Check out the book "Lysergic" to read a real life story.

From s*****:

ok kids. i'll let the cat out of the bag. no need to culture ergot.
Aquire hbwr seeds, crush, dry in dessicator (or similar). Defat by extracting thoroughly with nonpolar (preferably low-boiling, like DCM), remove solvent traces with vacuum, extract *very* thoroughly with lots of dry methanol (maybe using vacuum soxhlet), concentrate in vacuo, then column chromatograph to isolate LSA, hydrolyze LSA to lysergic acid (KOH). Separate iso- from lsyergic (HNO3) and isomerize with KOH. Combine the two portions of "normal" (non-iso) lysergic acid, and separate optically pure d-lysergic acid via tartrate. Store cold/dark and under inert gas. Make diethylamine by distilling NaOH and DEET bug repellant . (make sure you have very good purity here, too) Turn off the light - illuminate your work area with candles. Dissolve 1 molar eq. d-lysergic acid tartrate in ice-cold analytical grade DCM (dried over mol. sieves) in brown glass flask under inert gas atmosphere, add 1.1 eq. pyBOP followed by 4 eq. tertiary amine as the free base, stir for five minutes. Then add 2 eq. diethylamine hydrochloride and stir for 3 hours under cooling. When reaction is completed quench with conc. ammonium hydroxide, separate the organic layer, extract 4x with more DCM, combine organics. Wash 2x with ice-cold d.H2O, then 2x with brine (use analytical grade NaCl here, NO TABLE SALT please!) and dry thoroughly with molecular sieves. Place in small evaporation flask (brown glass), rinse sieves 3x with small amount of DCM, and evaporate solvent with a rotovap. Column chromatograph residue to get pure d-lysergic acid diethyl amide. PyBOP is a peptide coupling reagent. almost everything else is really low key in the chem lab. shit, other than a few things most of this stuff could be found in a high school chem lab. this idea was convieved by a person named noodle.

Good luck!

[The Wizard]

I hear it's much, much simpler and easier to synthesize DOx's than LSD. Are you guys aware most of what is passed off as blotter the last few years is DOI, DOC, DOB, DOM, Bromo-Dragonfly or 5MEOAMT? One telltale sign that you got sold a DOx is if the blotter has a strong chemical taste (bitter or metallic tasting). LSD is a tasteless chemical. Also, the DOx blotters tend to take hours and hours to kick in and be a far speedier trip with a lot more bodyload than acid. DOx trips can easily last 12-24+ hrs and make some people QUITE manic.

I wonder if it's any easier to make ETH-LAD, PRO-LAD or other psychedelic Ergolines than LSD. These Ergolines are discussed in Shulgin's TIHKAL entry for LSD. He also mentions Ergolines he tested that are derived from MG. Some of these Ergolines actually are sold as prescription headache meds now I hear as Ergolines can help treat cluster headaches

[tregar]

I think lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide may hold promise...you just take LSA and react it with acetaldehyde and seperate to recover. Dr. Hofmann posted a detailed picture of the molecule next to LSD in color in the middle of his book "LSD my problem child".

Otto Snow gives directions for getting Lysergic acid amide from morning glory seeds or HBWR. 2 different methods are described. See the chapter on the seeds.

There have never been human studies done with it (lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide) but animal studies showed effects physically that were similar to LSD, excitement, hypothermia, excitability, uterine effects, etc. A rabbit that was injected with it stood on it's hind legs and chattered it's teeth together for a long period of time.

It just may be what causes the activity of "ergot wine" described by author KA cole in the book "Lysergic". When she drank the wine she had intense open eyed visuals of symbols floating around skinner's head. The trip was very intense and even stronger than any LSD she ever had, this was true for both of them--see the chapter on "ergot wine" in the book "Lysergic". This special wine which sat for years and was active when drank was treated as a special sacrement -- one of the most incredible chapters i've ever read from any book.

An easier way to get it is just mix LSA with wine high in acetaldehyde such as sherry wine or even a few drops of peppermint. The adduct is formed after mixing the two together then you simply drink it. Sherry wine has the highest amount of natural acetaldehyde when compared to other wines, much higher. You can find it in your local grocery store...they usually keep a few bottles on hand...has a nutty taste.

Funny but author KA cole in the book lysergic described ergot wine as having a nutty taste too.

It is most likely active at 1mg or so, probably similar to the effects of ergometrine imho, just with less cramping of the thighs at higher doses.

See "Psychedelics encylcopedia" by peter stafford for effects of ergometrine--it is entheogenic...2 pages of experiments in the LSD section right before the MG/HBWR chapter. A few experimenters saw closed eye spinning geometrics with eyes closed on ergometrine...but it did cause muscle cramping in the legs to some degree. Dr. Hoffman also describes having visuals with ergometrine at the 1 to 2 mg dosage in the book "The Road to Eleusis". He devotes two pages to describing his experiments. This cannot be found in any other book except that one.

[Shadowlord]

While it is something I may never become proficient enough to do, it is still engrossing reading material and interesting to think/daydream about.
If I ever am able to learn to make it it will be purely to keep it alive and well. I have no plans to fall off the grid and try to re-start the LSD explosion. Don't think I could pull it off HaHaHa.
Still fun to daydream though,isn't it?

And once again Tregar, You amaze me with the amount of info you have found and posted here!
It's a good thing I love reading as the list of books and articles piling up leaves me with plenty of reading to do!