Few observations of DMT vs Mushrooms

[IHeartEntheogens]

I was wondering whether anyone else has noticed this?

Oral DMT and Mushrooms are pretty similar by all accounts, a few differences that one has noticed though. The visions on DMT are much more "intelligent", however I think there is quite a dark side to DMT that isnt present in mushrooms.

Take the CEV's on Mushrooms for example, at their peak they are friendly, bright patterns, friendly icons such as smiling people, hands presented in a warm handshake manner, patterns that turn into smiles, and funny faces that make you giggle - all very cheeky but in an innocent sort of way.

One has noticed that with DMT(NNDMT) (using extracted harmala / harmaline from b.caapi and / or rue as MAOI) you get the same happy innocent visuals as you get from mushrooms, but every now and then something nasty will be thrown in. It is as if you are being tested to see how you will react to them. For instance there will be flowers and smiling faces then all of a sudden a flower will morph into a middle finger, or a smiling face will suddenty turn nasty. The best way I can describe this is as a mischievous kid, it tests you and if it gets a reaction will keep doing it.

Anyone else seen this?

[Hippie3]

not really.
seems more to me like each person and every trip is very different, i rarely 'see' the same thing twice and have had fearful experiences both with shrooms and ayahuasca, as well as pleasant ones. i don't think it's really possible to accurately generalize about what any particular person might experience on either at any given time.

[IHeartEntheogens]

true - quite possibly a personal experience, my friend said the same though? I wasnt sure if it was a common experience or maybe something possibly to do with the MAOI used?

[vinz]

maybe it has something to do with you.. i have been having really weird DMT trips recently seeing blood and everything and im beginning to think its psychological lol

[aumbrellaforainydays]

Which DMT analogue are you using with the rue? B. Caapi acts like the force in the brew to bring out the light in DMT containing plant (like chacruna, P. Viridis). Without the MAOI the DMT will be destroyed in the gut. while Caapi + Viridis is the traditional amazonian yage, Rue is a more recent addition.

Syrian rue is not indigenous to the amazon and wasn't mixed with a DMT plant until it was found to be a MAOI? also to note is that you use seeds instead of the living vine.
would these differences account for the altered visions of the brew?

Lets imagine that two snakes in the jungle who are different species yet have mutually benefiting characteristics mate and produce a viable breed of snake, this snake is ayahuasca. Now lets imagine that a snake from the jungle and a bird from a coastal area come together, but instead of eating the snake, the bird takes care of the snake, but there is no mating, because they are too different, the bird is the rue and the snake is chacruna. they work together but they aren't like the first relationship, thus the visions have playful and antagonistic workings. but i have no idea, its just a thought.

[warrensaged]

Lets imagine that two snakes in the jungle who are different species yet have mutually benefiting characteristics mate and produce a viable breed of snake, this snake is ayahuasca. Now lets imagine that a snake from the jungle and a bird from a coastal area come together, but instead of eating the snake, the bird takes care of the snake, but there is no mating, because they are too different, the bird is the rue and the snake is chacruna. they work together but they aren't like the first relationship, thus the visions have playful and antagonistic workings. but i have no idea, its just a thought

Man, thanks great!!

I have not taken DMT with an MAOI yet but I'm researching it lately because I seem to have a higher than normal tollerance to DMT, That analogy will definitly affect the MAOI I choose to work with.

My friends have all had breakthroughs with the DMT SWIM extracted but I have not, and I have taken in more tokes than my pals. This is not a macho "I need more drugs than you" thing, with LSD I had the same effect, My freinds would take 1-2 doses and to get to the same place as them, I had to take 3-5. With salvia though I go waaay too far out from just one toke. I don't want to have to use so much at once!
I only weigh 155 pounds and have since 9th grade, I'm 32 now. Rocket matabolizm!! I know that has something to do with it, but shit!!

Cheers

WS

[IHeartEntheogens]

Just wanted to revisit this one after almost a year of SWIM preparing his own DMT.

I still think its true, the CEV's you get with Mushrooms are almost always really happy, motivational ones / form constants, DMT still has this dark, childlike toying presence that SWIM hasn't experienced with any other Entheogen. Sometimes it is a constant battle between nice CEV's and Nasty CEV's.

The only thing I can think of it being is the MAOI, I have heard people saying that Rue doesnt provide a very "stable" trip.

[LotRev]

You're right, I have often heard of syrian rue being the harsher
of the two popular MAOIs.

As far as the visual difference, I think it's more like Hip said,
it seems to vary everytime for me.

Have you tried mushrooms with syrian rue? It's no joke.
I have recently had intensely rough trips with mushrooms
and maoi.

DMT is a beast. but so are mushrooms.

I think the experiences and visuals are greatly dependent
on the participant.
Perhaps you, as an individual, have no fear of the mushrooms
or what they might bring to the table...whereas for me, it
can knock me on my ass easily with a good dose or an maoi.

[IHeartEntheogens]

SWIM almost always takes mushrooms with an MAOI - means he can use half the amount and get the same trip

SWIM doesnt fear them, nor does he fear DMT, a bad or difficult trip can be just as enlightening as a good one, just in a different way.

The only difference SWIM notes between them is how harsh DMT can be on the stomach - more often than not SWIM has thrown up after eyeballing the wrong amount lol

[Psilo-somatic]

For me it all depends on my mood/attitude, and my ability to get into a deep enough meditative state.
I agree that its probably your perception of the mushrooms making all your trips happy. I tend to have the opposite. Shrooms can take me to a very dark place (still just as or even more enlightening) whereas Ive never had a negative DMT trip.
I have never tried caapi however, only rue. It has different ratio of harmals probably making it the smoother of the two.

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by LotRev

You're right, I have often heard of syrian rue being the harsher
of the two popular MAOIs.

i second that. too much rue is beyond unpleasant.

[nugget]

i made the salt from the rue , i took some tonight , 600 mg of salt and 400 of spice followed by a 100 mg bumper dose an hour later, it was a difficult trek to the top , uncomfortable.
but once i got there it was fantastic!
I felt this energy like a humming bird and then my teeth started chattering and face rippled and the sounds coming from me were just amazing. I didnt see god , I think if i were to look at him my retinas would get seared out but I saw an angel.
while this was going on.
I told my girlfriend to look at me and just at that moment I vomited up all the general tsos chicken I had earlier
it was projectile and I dont really understand the timing. maybe people arent supposed to see what happens.
its just amazing though. make the salts