Re-crystallization of mescaline hcl attempt w/photos

[hairry]

Beautiful.....this thread has made swim rethink chem extractions.

My question is...since purity seems to be as important to your friend as it is to swim.....did you do a dry" run to see if said chemicals truely evap cleanly or are you just figuring since people do brown then your white must be better?

^sorry if that sounds stupid but chems make me nervous and your powder makes me "excited.......

thanks
hairry

[tregar]

Hi hairry. You should commended for taking purity seriously when dealing with chemicals & extracts.

Great question. I have nothing against brown mescaline, it's just I and my friend both had a batch of brown mescaline several years ago that made us both have a very hard time (my 1st extraction), this has also been reported by my friend entheogen23 (his first extraction also). We all had a very bad time from it, to the point where we never touched it again for 3 years it was that bad--not mentally as in trip wise, but it had physical side effects that were quite unpleasant. We sat in a bathtub praying for it to end--we felt as if we had food poisoning--along with spasms in the thigh muscles, unpleasant effects in the head such as confusion and just wanting it to end as soon as possible--and this was just from 80mg of the stuff (both of us took the same amount) All 3 of us found that when we cleaned our dark brown mescaline with acetone, that it turned a light tan color, when we tripped again (some dozen times) on the tan mescaline, then all was fine. The tan to white stuff is remarkable in quality and free of unpleasant physical side effects. To do this day we still don't know what it is about the brown mescaline...all I know is that we will never take it again. It may have had chemical residue of some kind -- those are my first thoughts. Xylene may have been the culprit. Xylene does mix with water and when you throw in a bunch of cactus without and end cleaning step (with acetone and water evaporation)...you can get strange product.

Mescaline is not brown. Mescaline is a clear crystaline substance. Finely ground, it appears paper white. If your stuff is not clear crystal or paper white, it is not pure mescaline. Only God can answer the question as to why mescaline is clear/white and not brown, as He created the stuff.

Trichocerus alkaloids of any sort cannot be washed away with cold dry acetone.

For 3 whole years I never touched mescaline again, thinking that it was mescaline that was responsible for my ill trip, when all along it was because I had not cleaned my product. I think it's great that there is a cleaning step at the end of waylitjim's tek...unfortunatley foaf's tek (which I followed) lacks the end cleaning step, but badly needs one...It wasn't until 3 years later that I took the brown mescaline I had and cleaned it following the acetone cleaning step with cotton balls/funnel/hot water at the end of waylitjim's tek (thanks waylitjim and Ekstaza) that I turned the crap I had into pure gold.

I have also accidentaly sampled xylene contaminated mescaline twice (in 60mg doses)...this was from product direct from the gassing which WAS NOT CLEANED with acetone--the stuff also smelled liked xylene or "dirty socks" and when touched to the tongue caused it to burn slightly. This was because I did not clean the product from the post gassing with acetone at least 3 times. I also did not do a water evaporation on it. (Put the actone cleaned mescaline in a dish with a minimal amount of boiling hot water and evaporate off the water under a fan--then scrape up clean stuff when dry). It is no fun at all--it causes confusion in the head, headache, muscle weakness, etc...so always make sure your mescaline gives off no chemical smell and does not taste of xylene. To me, cleaning is the most important part of the process, and that's why I take it so seriously.

Everyone I know appreciates tan mescaline however, no problems to speak of...So long as you follow foaf's tek or waylitjim's tek and clean your product with acetone and a water evaporation in the end, the product turns out fine. Another way to get there is via re-crystallization but it takes more work. Re-crystallization is an important step in Chemistry and there are whole chapters on it--I recommend the book "The organic chem lab survival manual" by James w. Zubrick, there is a very readable practicle explanantion of it how it works/what it does with pics.

However, many others do just fine with brown mescaline....

[hairry]

Thanks for your response....

Purity should be important to anyone messing with chemical extracts imho...

Peyote has always interested swim a lot but the alkaloid wasn't even know to be mescaline.Now it is though and thanks to this place and your threads it is in swims near future..

Have you ever had the everclear extract?,And if so how would you compare it?

You see......swim isn't a fan of body "buzzes".....but loves a head buzz.

Has a package coming from BBB and is looking forward to a nice "trip

Would you say skip trying the alchi extract and just do it or is the alchi extract good to?

To many ?s.....I know....but swim is cautious and you seem to know your sh*t

Thanks
hairry

P.S. If swim was only interested in making 5-6 doses how much cactus would he need?(has 3 kilos coming)And if it were dried and ground how long could he store it and what would be the best way?

[tregar]

I've soaked the cactus in everclear then drank it, and it rocked my world...at least it did the 1st two times I tried it, after that I just started to get sick and/or stomach queeziness...that's when I went back to extract. It's worth a try, very very nice. Highly recommended at least once. I drank it as liquid form though (the poured off everclear solution) not the tarry extract (tar balls, etc.). Sip it very slowly, not fast. I would check the search engine here for info on the tarry extract from alcohol or everclear extracts, there's quite a bit here.

The cactus will store forever (outlive us humans) in the dried form, I wouldn't grind it up until you were ready to use it though, otherwise if it's allready ground, just vaccum pack it away using a foodsaver. It's impossible to judge dose, depends on quality of cactus. 20 to 30 grams of good cactus is a great beginning dose.

[tregar]

Before I leave this thread, I have one more important thing to say:

I discovered a sedating alkaloid in tricho. macrogonus that composes some 20 to 25% of the alkaloidal makeup of the cactus, with mescaline composing some 75 to 80% of the alkaloidal makeup.

Why is this important?

The question I have is this: How does the traditional acid/base extraction differ from gassing? Does gassing pull out extra alkaloids that the traditional tek does not? Or do they both pull out the same alkaloids?

I think it's very possible that gassing is capturing all of the available alkaloids from the cactus from the largest to the tiniest alkaloids, leaving nothing behind. My friend and I had an amazing time off just 200mg of full-spectrum gassed alkaloid product many months ago. A couple hour laughing fit erupted while watching two comedy movies, very enjoyable experience, it definately had the same feel of cactus tea I've had in the past, even though I've only taken low doses of cactus tea many years ago. As we all know, laughter is great medicine. All in all, a very well-rounded potent whole experience--best mescaline trip to date for both of us, and all from a relatively low dose.

I have seperated out the 20 to 25% sedating alkaloids via filtering the post-gassed product thru a #103 (2.5 micron filter disc). The mescaline stays on top the filter "stays with its own", and the other mostly sedating alkaloids (very tiny) fall thru the filter and collect back in the xylene in your collection jar. To get the other alkaloids out, extract them by adding boiling hot water to the re-collected xylene in a sep funnel to pull them out, then add them back to your pile of real mescaline (on top the filter) to experience the full-spectrum alkaloidal cactus experience. I'm not going to go into detail here, but refer to the gassing thread to learn more. Easier yet, just take your post-gassed xylene, add boiling hot water (1/2 cup) in a sep funnel with it, then let out the water and it will contain the full-spectrum of cactus alkaloids (ie traditional water collection).

Checkout these comments from users past who compare cactus tea (or imho a gassed product that captures all the alkaloids) to "pure" mescaline hcl (gotten via the traditional acid/base teks ie waylitjim's and foaf's tek):

Owen (2004):

Interesting! I wonder if most "good" experiences with pedro syrup have resulted from *****'s product. My friend's friend reports that his syrup trips felt more "earthy" and there was a considerable amount of tired-warmness at the peak - almost as if waking up from a 10,000 year nap. He has never experienced that "waking up from a 10,000 year nap" with pure mesc hcl. Same goes with the feeling of universality of the experience, and of letting go of the body. He claims that pure mesc is more of a mind trip, whereas the syrup from *****'s product appears as a whole "experience". He has never vomitted. It is good to hear your experience Me! (although I'm also sorry to hear about it... ugh!) - if only to know that severe reactions (to drinking cactus tea ie stomach issues) are possible and do happen sad.gif

Also, I believe that the synergistic alkaloids might not carry over into nonpolar (toluene, xylene), or might perhaps be destroyed by high pH. This is just a hunch.

I believe this because that crap that the acetone washes off is *not* the magic difference between pedro tea and pure mesc hcl smile.gif My friend's friend knows this from trying both the acetone-purified and the raw brown mesc hcl. The raw brown mesc hcl does not have the same "dried pedro" magic. As for purifying the end product, Me! is absolutely right in that my friend reports the purified stuff is somewhat easier on the stomach... might as well minimize the crap we put into our bodies.

Edited to add: This has been found with peyote as well. Ex

Free Spirit (2004):

no doubt...

this has been what has troubled me about extracting mescaline since i have done pure a few times now...

its good.. i enjoy it... but the syrup was godly... much more "connected" spiritual... maybe being plugged in after a 10000 year solace.. but it just plain sucked as far as downing it.. and the puking thereafter...

but as i said.. i puke regardless.. ima try dramamine and axid and pepto together next time.. i can accept throwing up as part of the price to pay for a good experience... as long as its a good one...


it would be nice to know what exactly the key substance(s) were/are and how to isolate them out. i would sacrifice a small stake from every extraction on JUST those alkaloids and give up the mescaline for that part...

then i could start playing around with what ratios are needed, although i suspect not many of these secondary modifiers are needed..

i know a few people who have made syrup from san pedros that they have grown themselves... only person i can think of is maverick at the moment, but he enjoyed the syrup over the pure crystals as well...

Why the sedation with the stimulation? We could study opium to help maybe understand why nature does what it does:
Peter Lee (The book "Opium Culture" 2006):

The concept of natural balance and harmony in full-spectrum herbs is based on the Great Principle of Yin and Yang, whereby nature complements every element or energy on earth related to yin with an equal measure of yang, thereby maintaining equilibrium, In opium, for example, the two primary effects are sedative, which by virtue of its soft, passive, calming influence belongs to yin, and stimulant, which has the activating, energizing, alert nature of yang.

By way of scientific confirmation, modern laboratory analysis has proved what traditional Chinese herbalist and alchemists have known for centuries: that opium is endowed by nature with an equal proportion of both yin and yang activity, and that therefore whole opium, when used properly and in moderation, produces a balanced blend of physical effects that in turn gives rise to a sense of perfect equilibrium in body and mind. Thus it has been shown by modern science that opium contains three major alkaloids endowed with mainly soporific effects--morphine, codeine, and narceine--and three that possess primarily stimulant properties--thebaine, papaverine, and narcotine--providing a six-piece symphony of alkaloidal yin and yang that plays a harmonious alchemical tune in the smoker's system, neither too sedating nor too exciting, not too slow and not too fast, but always achieving just the right balance.

[slaphappyjacko]

I have not read all of this thread (I spend 20hrs a week in chem classes and lab, and I just can't read any more chem stuff) so forgive me if this is repeated info. Also, If you have tried my suggestion and found that it doesn't work, forgive me.

Recrystallization:

As always KISS

Basic rules of purification\recrystallization:

-Yield and purity are inversely proportionate. If one is going for pure product, don't ignore yield, but remember that it is not your priority.

-Crystal structure (size and brag-worthiness) is generally directly related to the amount of time spent recrystallizing. You get powdery crystals when they quickly fall out of solution, and big wedding ring quality crystals from slow evaporation.

-As stated repeatedly, you want a solvent in which your product readily dissolves at high temperatures, but is virtually insoluble in at lower temps.

I have never preformed a recrystallization on mescaline, but I have done it many times with other compounds.

If I were to perform a recrystallization of this compound, and I was just trying to make the prettiest crystals possible I would do the following:

materials:

-Cleaned product (Off white to stained green. The cleaner the better. The material should be crystalline (powdery) though, rather than gooey.)

-DI or distilled water. Just a few ml. (FYI, they are not quite the same thing. Also, both types of water become acidic (pH 5.5-6) from reacting with CO2 in the air. This reaction happens before you ever see the water, so there is no way around it.)

-evap dish (I prefer evaporating dishes (over petri, crystallizing, or kitchen). Because of their shape, your product will collect centrally instead of spreading over a flat surface. This only really matters if one's goal is trying to make fancy crystals. You can get by w/out one.)

-container to boil water (I prefer a glass beaker)

-Pipette (eye dropper will work fine)

This probably works best with the sulfate, but the HCl should work fine too.

Procedure:

1) Set water to boil. In the lab this would amount to a beaker with more water in it than you need heated on a hot plate. A mason jar in the microwave, or in a pot on the stove works just as well. Point is, boil water. (Chemistry factoid: When you boil the distilled water, you drive off the CO2 which is responsible for the formation of pH altering carbonic acid)

2) Place crystals in dish.

3) Slowly pippet boiling water onto the product in the evap dish. The goal is to add not a drop more than is needed to dissolve the product. It isn't a big deal if you go over though.

4) Leave dish in a place where it will remain undisturbed.

5) Wait. This isn't a "Lets trip tonight" process. It may take a week or more.

As it cools, and some of the water evaporates, crystals should begin to form and collect at the bottom. At some point you have to man up and toss (or decant and save) the aq solution. Yes, it has alkaloids in it still, but remember, this process is for purity rather than yield. The water also has crap in it that you don't want on your crystals.

One may find that the crystals fall out quicker than expected which may result in needles forming more plate like structures. Still much nicer than a powder.

The dish and aq sol can be placed in the fridge\freezer to speed things up and/or get more product to fall out of solution. Just remember that time an patience get you big crystals. This should not have a major impact on purification though.

As stated before, I have not done this with this material, but recrystallization is a very basic chem process. Your product is soluble in boiling water, but not so much in room temp-cold water.

If it doesn't work, there is no loss. Your product is in drinkable water.

I lied before. If I were going to do this, I would use boiling MeOH. It is less dangerous than one might think, but I don't recommend it if you have never done it before (and NEVER with a gas stove or around open flame). It also evaporates fast, quickly yielding super pure (alkaloid mix) plates.

One more thing:
SWIM has consumed the freebase form. It gets converted to the HCl salt in your stomach and is highly effective. It is very alkaline, so a capsule is advisable. The material was removed using a/b extraction w/ naphtha as the NP solvent. It was just slightly off white, and sort of gooey

I hate extracting cacti. You never know what you are going to get. I haven't had the time/money to track down a reliable and consistent source.

WOW I think I just filled up the internet!

[Pedestrian]

Interesting tek you got there. Good tips on the equipment to have.

I am not too chemically inclined, so here's a few questions for ya.

What benefits would your proposed tek have over the one in this thread?

Originally Posted by slaphappyjacko

One more thing:
SWIM has consumed the freebase form. It gets converted to the HCl salt in your stomach and is highly effective. It is very alkaline, so a capsule is advisable. The material was removed using a/b extraction w/ naphtha as the NP solvent. It was just slightly off white, and sort of gooey

If you have the time, I would like to hear about the freebase tek with the naptha.... Most of the teks floating around don't use it and I'm curious as to the procedure.

[Caljet666]

IMHO tregars method would be superior, in fact, it's probably the best re-x swims seen and it works on most if not all phenethylamines. That being said, the method slaphappyjacko outlined would be an ideal follow up to the dual solvent re-x. Placing the mek/water solution in the freezer forces the crystals out quickly and hence they are small or even powder like. Following up with the single solvent solution and allowing the crystals to grow over a couple of days will produce much larger crystals thereby cleaning the mescaline that little bit more.

[slaphappyjacko]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Interesting tek you got there. Good tips on the equipment to have.

I am not too chemically inclined, so here's a few questions for ya.

What benefits would your proposed tek have over the one in this thread?



If you have the time, I would like to hear about the freebase tek with the naptha.... Most of the teks floating around don't use it and I'm curious as to the procedure.

Obviously the above mention method is working great. I would follow it to the end.

The main benefits to "my" method are simplicity and the use of a benign solvent. The last thing your product is dissolved in is water.

I honest to god have not tried it with mescaline. It may not work well enough to risk product when you have a method that works. It also is a final step. Your product would need to be on the cleaner side. Ideally it would be clean enough to consume as is.
It is probably pointless for most folks.

I was mostly trying to chime in with a very basic, general crystallization procedure. The concept and method is the same regardless of your solvent and compound.

If one is curious about this type of thing, salt and sugar form great crystals. Do the exact thing mentioned above with sugar and in prepare to be amazed (JK) . Of course, all the crystals would do is give you a sugar high.

I am soon going to get some much more solid training with column chromatography (I have run small scale (in a pipet) columns). There is not really a better way to purify stuff like this. It is super effective at separating chlorophylls (that is what we separated in our little columns) from product (and each other for that mater), and losses are minimal. This is how one can separate the mescaline from other alkaloids too.

caljett666:
You are right with the last line. Key bit is that it purifies a LITTLE bit more. If I was going for consumption I wouldn't bother. To impress friends and family...

If you are doing analytical work this cleanliness is to be desired. You can run a GC column with a staggeringly small amount of product. Of course you have to have access to a GC machine...and care.

[Nightwind]

thanks tregar love your posts and stuff.
its helped fill in the gaps for me, and again Thanks!

[hairry]

if one was planning on the mek recrytalization how important would the acetone wash be,think it could be skipped?

thanks
hairry

[Caljet666]

You'd be better off doing it. It is after all easy to get ones hands on acetone. I guess theoretically you could skip it though.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by hairry

if one was planning on the mek recrytalization how important would the acetone wash be,think it could be skipped?

thanks
hairry

You can skip it but, you're going to have dirty MEK residue on your mesc from the Re-crystallization solvent and that isn't the best. You're going to be ingesting this and its not that good for you in general.

Once you follow tregars steps and get to the step where you filter Mesc HCL from the dirty yellow MEK, have some freezing cold ANHYDROUS acetone on hand and just pour a little on the crystals that are in the filter. Fine coffee filters work OK for this. All it takes is a little splash of dry, cold acetone on the crystals to clean the MEK residue off and make your product even cleaner.

If you pour a lot of acetone on the crystals you may risk loosing a bit of your product.

It is also very important to make sure that you're acetone is DRY. Add a bit of oven dried epsom salts or other drying agent to the acetone, then filter the salts out very well until the acetone is crystal clear again so you don't get it mixed with your product. If you don't dry it and there is some water in there... it can dissolve some of your mescaline when you do the final rinse and be lost through the filter.

Once washed, let the acetone evaporate off the crystals until they're completely dry and there is no more odor.

Good luck.

[Caljet666]

Oops. Swim was thinking of the acetone rinse after gassing, before the mek re-X.

You could rinse with clean mek instead, but don't skip a wash. Re-X from water after the wash is ideal to get rid of solvent too.

[Paradoxical]

I'd like to add a safety tip for when working with the HCl gas:

Be sure to keep a water mist sprayer around in case your ghetto style fumehood or other apparatus should (god forbid!) malfunction.

[jlyonia]

Originally Posted by Paradoxical

I'd like to add a safety tip for when working with the HCl gas:

Be sure to keep a water mist sprayer around in case your ghetto style fumehood or other apparatus should (god forbid!) malfunction.

...and do what with it and when?

J.

[Paradoxical]

Originally Posted by jlyonia

...and do what with it and when?

J.

The idea is to get the water mist into the atmosphere between the gas and you and other living things. Then if the gas hits the water mist it will turn back to aqueous form producing some "acid rain". But that's certainly better than turning to acid once it hits living tissue.

Depending on how many electrical devices are around, you might also want to give some priority to unplugging/not spraying them.

[jlyonia]

Thanks for the explanation.

J.

[Shadowlord]

Another Great Thread on mescaline techniques. As I hope to try my hand at extraction here in the near future, I am glad that there is such a wealth of information on the subject here!


Tregar:

:meditation;

[beautypath]

Tregar:
I have done the San Pedro cactus extraction about 6 times now by the base extraction process( see dhp.mraxe.com/mesc/ ) and have found the hydrogen chloride gas step to be un-necessary. Once I have the alkaloids in the final xylene solution I merely add 9 M or 10 M HCl drop by drop to the xylene while stirring at medium speed. The solution will form an orange aqueous solution of crude mescaline. By stopping the stirring every so ofter I determine when the xylene layer has decolorized and stop adding acid ( about 25 ml for 1000 g of powdered cactus ).
Next I add the contents to a 500 ml separatory funnel and let the mix layer out. This only takes about 10 minutes. I take off the bottom orange aqueous layer and toss the xylene which is now nearly clear.
I put the crude acidic solution of mescaline onto a pyrex plate and let air dry with a fan blowwing over it for 1 day. Finally to drive off any hydrogen chloride gas still clinging to the yellow powder I over dry at 150 F for 1 hour. This is a delicate step in that one must use a heat shield under the pyrex plate so when the oven cycles more heat, the powder does not burn.
I now have about 12 grams of this crude powder and am grateful that you have come up with a way to further purify the mescaline.
One question: Why add water to the powder/MEK mix? If the impurities are soluble in hot MEK and mescaline is only very slightly soluble, why not just stir the mix for an hour and let the impurities go into the hot MEK? Let the solution cool and the mescaline should come out nicely.
The danger of adding water to the hot MEK/mescaline mix is that all the water will not boil off and carry mescaline into the MEK. This will waste mescaline. Also it sounds like you are trying to get rid of the water by boiling the MEK/water mix, so this sounds like an extra step.
Sincerely: beautypath

[bbd2]

Originally Posted by beautypath

One question: Why add water to the powder/MEK mix? If the impurities are soluble in hot MEK and mescaline is only very slightly soluble, why not just stir the mix for an hour and let the impurities go into the hot MEK? Let the solution cool and the mescaline should come out nicely.
Sincerely: beautypath

a good point, but wouldnt that be more a "wash" rather than a re-x - where a new crystal lattice with less trapped impuries is formed

[tregar]

So long as you guys gas your product then rinse it with acetone x 3 times then re-evaporate it from some hot water in a pyrex dish, you really shouldn't even have to worry about recrystallization.

But if you want to recrystallize, this is the way to do it...

You really don't even need to add water to the mek/powder mix as the mek allready contains some water (10% or so). So it's ok to do it without adding water...someone else here tried it without water and it worked ok.

[jlyonia]

OK, so SWIM has been playing around with this technique recently and now has a couple of questions -

1. Should all the mesc. HCl dissolve in the water that is added?
2. Am I right in thinking that if someone started with mid-brown coloured extract then all of the MEK will just change colour to the point where "adding water drops until it turns clear" is just never going to happen?

SWIM deliberately undershot with the water, (3gms in 150mL of MEK + 16 droplets of water), but the extracted stuff never really dissolved and it certainly never stopped being any colour other than dirty, dirty dishwater...

During the freeze precipitation, there was definitely a white layer that grew larger over time, but this was a 10% to the 90% brown gunk that never really did anything.

Any ideas what is going on here?

SWIM is beginning to think that the results of FOAF's tek pulled out a whole bunch of other crap as well as the intended HCl that isn't then dissolving?

Also - would this technique work if you seperated the processes? So, instead of plonking the mesc. HCl into the MEK, heating it up till it boils, then adding the water droplets, could you -

• Add the mesc. HCl to enough water to dissolve it at room temperature, then
• Add that solution to the boiling MEK?

I am guessing that would just be too easy, yeah...

Any clues???????

J.

[Caljet666]

Yes. All the mesc should dissolve. I think this is why you still got 90% dirty.

You should be adding water until the mesc is all dissolved. The colour won't be clear unless the mesc was clean to start with.


Dissolving the mesc in room temp water and adding to the mek will work but it'll take longer to boil it off. It shouldn't take that long though and probably would be a good way for people to get familliar with the procedure.

[jlyonia]

Thanks! I appreciate the info...

J.

[beautypath]

Methanol may be a better way to carry the mescaline into the MEK. Mescaline is very soluable in methanol. The methanol boils at 154 F while the MEK boils at 176 F. Heating this mixture will boil off the methanol first and assure that no mescaline is left in the MEK. Of course do this under an exhaust hood since methanol is rapidly absorbed through the respiratory track.

[spunforfun]

If there was a thread of the month contest you would win handsdown. I was just getting ready to try a recrystalation adventure and thanks you have really filled in a things that I wasnt really sure about. I would be happy with the nice white powder you got. kickass thread tregar

[Shadowlord]

Originally Posted by Caljet666

Hell yeah. Thats what swim loves about these kind of forums. Johnny law had made this sort of information really hard to get in the past but thanks to the advent of the internet information is not only free and at your fingertips, but always evolving as well.

Swims gonna light up a dooby in honor to this thought and all the cool people here.

Now look what ya done Tregar... You've gone and made swim all warm and fuzzy on the inside lol.

Nothing to add to this other than I couldn't say it better myself. In the last 1 1/2 yrs I have learned so many new and interesting things and have been able to experience things that I thought I never would and made some great friends along the way.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by beautypath

Methanol may be a better way to carry the mescaline into the MEK. Mescaline is very soluable in methanol. The methanol boils at 154 F while the MEK boils at 176 F. Heating this mixture will boil off the methanol first and assure that no mescaline is left in the MEK. Of course do this under an exhaust hood since methanol is rapidly absorbed through the respiratory track.

Interesting observation about temps. However, heating the mescaline solution to a boil wouldn't be my first option because of the possible degrading of potency due to the high heat. IMO air drying is the safest route to keep it strong.

[beautypath]

Thanks to Tregar for initiating the purification of the crude extract from Trichocereus species. Purifty is very important.

I do one more recrystalization using chloroform because I have found the MEK treated product to still be a tan color especially when wet.

To 10 grams of MEK treated product add 30 ml of anhydrous methanol and swirl until dissoved.
Add 1 liter of anhydrous chloroform and boil down to 250 ml on a hot plate/magnetic stirrer.
A white slurry will occur.
Cool and vacuum filter through 1 micron filter paper in a Buchner funnel.
Dry the filter papers at 150 degrees F for 15 minutes and scrape off the purified product.
Add 350 ml of chloroform to the filtered chloroform solution and boil down to 250 ml. Repeat the filtration.
Expect a 15 % loss of product.

[duaut]

Swim will never ever gas again.
1ml HCL per 1 gallon of distilled H20 is all that is needed to pull crystal clear mescaline and a little patience for the organic particles to fall out of the solvent. No cleaning is necessary, thats optional.

Still thanks Tregar for showing us an optional way.
MHO it's just to expensive and dangerous.

[AndyLandy420]

Foaf attempted this style of mescaline recrystalization last night, he planned to follow tregars rules of thumb for ammounts. 50ml dry MEK per g of mesc and 5 to 6 drops water per g mesc. starting mesc had been throuroughly acetone washed (dry acetone boil, 3 times) so it was very light tan/white, no brown or any gnarlyness. 11.3g tan mesc was added to 570ml dry MEK, solution was boiled and stirred vigorously for a few minutes. foaf prepared his water and dropper. solution was very cloudy and almost milky, foaf thought he would have no problem seeing it go clear, while boiling and stirring foaf begins to add water drop by drop, watching very closely for any change. following tregars rule of thumb for drops of water, foaf was planning on 55 to 65 drops doing the trick. 40 drops in, no change. 50, no change, 55, nothin, foaf slowly gets to 70 and sees no changed, solution is still milky as ever. he boils and stirs it for a moment to make sure its not a delayed reaction or something, no change whatsoever. over the coarse fo the next hour foaf ends up adding around 400 drops, thats right 400!!! when foaf got above 100 drops he gave it a minute of stirring and boiling to wait for change every 10 to 20 drops, the solution began to clear but there was LOTS of mesc still sitting on the bottom refusing to dissolve, even when stirred up ferociously into the boiling solution, just went right back down to the bottom and sat there. foaf kept adding water little bit by little bit until those last little piles dissolved fully, ended up being around 400 drops, after it was all dissolved foaf just stirred and boiled to reduce volume and look for the 'shimmer'. since foaf had to keep stirring constantly to prevent bumping it was hard to see a 'ring of crystals' forming around the top, once foaf noticed it looked a little different he removed his stirring rod and it instantly turned into a beautiful white glimmering icicle surprise when exposed to air. foaf immediatly removed from heat and prepared to put it in a cooler filled with hot water (slow cooldown=bigger crystals), by the time foaf actually sealed the cooler up (25-35 seconds after removing from heat) he could see mesc crashing out of solution already, all giddy and excited he sealed the cooler and put it under a few blankets, 12 hours later he took a peek, LOTS of white fluffyness on the bottom and also lots of glorious glass shards stuck all over the walls, very thin and long (foaf guesses maybe .5mm or less by 6mm or less, round like mechanical pencil lead only clear) the solution is very transparent and looks like jose cuervo. solution is getting its final cooldown in the freezer right now. wish foaf luck!

any ideas on WTF is with 400 drops? water was distilled obviously, dropper was pretty standard, as a matter a fact, the avg drop dripped by this dropper weighs 33mg. if foaf used too much wouldnt he not get precipitated mesc at room temp? thanks

[Fresh Brewed]

Dude I can't fucking wait to see the pictures...You did get pictures didn't you? Please tell me you got pictures...

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by Fresh Brewed

Dude I can't fucking wait to see the pictures...You did get pictures didn't you? Please tell me you got pictures...

sorry for the poor quality, its dark and that flashlight sucks, foaf will get lots of closeup later on when you can see those babies better.

[Shadowlord]

Very Nice Job A.L.
I have tried all the extracts and will be doing a full extraction soon and I hope I do half as well as you have.
Mescaline is really excellent and you should enjoy that immensely!

Once again, Great Job!!!

[AndyLandy420]

foaf filtered the cystals out, they were not as white as foaf was hoping for, they are very glassy and transparent but still have an obvious tint of "jose cuervo" tan, foaf redissolved in water (to remove from filter) and is evapping right now, depending on how looks foaf may decide to take further action to obtain snow white. any input on what to do next? another mek boil? maybe the mek iso combo? and ideas welcome.

[pax]

could the same tek be used for mescaline citrate?

[AndyLandy420]

just thought i would add my 2 cents on the benefits of really clean mesc. ITS AWESOME, the body load of clear mesc is nothing compared to off-white mesc, last time i dosed 400mg of thoroughly acetone washed mesc (barely off-white) i was left reeling for hours, agonizing bodyload, many encounters with the toilet, guts didnt stop hurting til T+5hours or more, this time i consumed 500mg super clean mesc, the difference is unbelievable, feel it very strongly within 20 minutes, no problems keeping it down for like 90 minutes, finally let it fly at about 2 hours just cuz i was feeling full, no fetal position suffering like im used to, just one quick easy purge and im on my way, no gut pain at all. to anyone wondering if its worth it to do a MEK recrystalization, it is. clear mesc is hardly the same drug as yellow (or god forbid brown) mesc.

[beautypath]

Do a chloroform rescrystalization for really pure mescaline.

[Shadowlord]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

just thought i would add my 2 cents on the benefits of really clean mesc. ITS AWESOME, the body load of clear mesc is nothing compared to off-white mesc, last time i dosed 400mg of thoroughly acetone washed mesc (barely off-white) i was left reeling for hours, agonizing bodyload, many encounters with the toilet, guts didnt stop hurting til T+5hours or more, this time i consumed 500mg super clean mesc, the difference is unbelievable, feel it very strongly within 20 minutes, no problems keeping it down for like 90 minutes, finally let it fly at about 2 hours just cuz i was feeling full, no fetal position suffering like im used to, just one quick easy purge and im on my way, no gut pain at all. to anyone wondering if its worth it to do a MEK recrystalization, it is. clear mesc is hardly the same drug as yellow (or god forbid brown) mesc.

Glad that you are able to get it cleaned up w/ that MEK tek then.
I am sorry that Mesc causes such discomfort. The stuff I pulled was white/whitish and a little closer to a very light tan until the very last pull which came out like a greyish/brown cinnamon color.
If the brown in there causes that much discomfort, I will be sure to try cleaning it w/o sampling it.
The white/whitish stuff I got I assayed twice at the 400mg level and had no discomfort issues but definitely feels like I could do/go for a bit more. Last 400mg was on top of some L that comes by on occasion. It is hard to tell how to dose when one has been tripping weekly or every other week at worst. Don't know how much is tolerance, how much is being a hardhead, how much is due to the quality of the product.
Anyways, just glad to have these threads to read through b/4 trying some of these procedures. It's hard to take O.K. stuff and risk it sometimes, but when it's that uncomfortable, I think I'll leave my darker stuff alone until I clean it!

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by Shadowlord

Glad that you are able to get it cleaned up w/ that MEK tek then.
I am sorry that Mesc causes such discomfort. The stuff I pulled was white/whitish and a little closer to a very light tan until the very last pull which came out like a greyish/brown cinnamon color.
If the brown in there causes that much discomfort, I will be sure to try cleaning it w/o sampling it.
The white/whitish stuff I got I assayed twice at the 400mg level and had no discomfort issues but definitely feels like I could do/go for a bit more. Last 400mg was on top of some L that comes by on occasion. It is hard to tell how to dose when one has been tripping weekly or every other week at worst. Don't know how much is tolerance, how much is being a hardhead, how much is due to the quality of the product.
Anyways, just glad to have these threads to read through b/4 trying some of these procedures. It's hard to take O.K. stuff and risk it sometimes, but when it's that uncomfortable, I think I'll leave my darker stuff alone until I clean it!

i think its not just a matter of quality its a matter of taking mesc more and more, the more familiar you become with it the more the bodyload seems to increase IME with some things. back when i was new to mesc i ate 1200mg brown tan gnarly mesc and didnt even end up throwing up, nowadays eating 500mg perfect white mesc is super noticable but well worth it. same with mush, i used to chow down on dry mush like it was candy, didnt need a chaser or nothin, now i would gag in an instant if i tried eating a dried mushroom strait. jus one of those things

[Shadowlord]

1200mg.
I bet that was a hell of a ride
Do the visuals start to get very strong at high levels? I have only taken 400mg so far as I took it w/ L as well.
Wondering because higher levels of L just get me more lost in thought and philosophizing than getting much in the way of visuals other than trails. Whereas Mesc has seemed to be more visual, although not as visual as taking the mesc as cactus tea. The tea was probably the most visual trip I ever had ( 80g worth of P.Torch chips tea )
No nausea w/ the tea but unpleasant enough tasting that I wanted to do the extracting. ( easier to store as well! Had some tea get moldy on me because I took to long to get around to it! )

[EmmisonJ]

why isn't this archive material? it def should be!

thanks tregar for the in-depth dream of the procedure. swim had a dream about this as well. in his dream the following events happened:

500mg mescaline hcl was added to a 250ml RBF

50ml anhydrous MEK was added to the same RBF

RBF was put in a hot water bath until the MEK was boiling (held it close to 180F the whole time, magnetic stirring was used the entire time

let it boil for about 15 minutes and watched the clear MEK take on very light yellow hue due to absorbed impurities while the MEK remained very cloudy from undissolved mescaline being stirred in the solution

added 4 drops of water and it become noticeably more clear but still quite cloudy (i see what tregar meant now when he said this is more of an art than an exact science, else my calculations about needing 4 drops of water were incorrect). so more water was slowly dropped in until the solution became clear (it is cloudy because mescaline is insoluble in the anhydrous mek, it becomes clear because mescaline is soluble in water which is why its important to add just enough water to dissolve the mescaline only, too much water and you run the chance of re-dissolving impurities again for a slightly less pure product than what it could have been)

once the solution was clear then the heat was turned off and let it continue to stir, allowed it to gradually come down to room temperature on its own and stopped stirring

once it was at room temp, noticed the 2 layers (mek on top, very small water layer on bottom). the top mek layer was a nasty yellow color that looked just like tregar's dream. it was then placed in the refrigerator until it was cool, then placed in the freezer until the small water layer was frozen solid. it was then removed and the mek was poured off, the frozen water was kept. thawed the frozen water over a hot water bath. poured the thawed water into a sep funnel as residual mek remained with the initial ice. tapped off the water and dicarded the residual mek. evaporated the thawed water in a pyrex pan over a fan on low speed and it ended up yielding 360mg from the initial 500mg, very bright white. it even tasted different than the usual crude mescaline hcl, it was still bitter but much less so and readily dissolved on the tongue like ice, it had no smell.

i think way too much water was added in the dream (shouldn't have been a visible water layer at all, swim assumes this will make the recrystallization less effective however still looks very promising by the nasty look of the once-clear MEK), same mistake as tregar and swim was conscious not to add too much (heeding tregar's words) but ended up doing so because the solution still looked too cloudy. i guess practice makes perfect. all in all, like tregar said it wasn't a nerve-racking experience at all, swim did also have a fire extinguisher on hand just in case, but watching the temperature is all that is needed. this was done outside since swim lacks a fumehood and adding the correct amount of water truly was the most difficult part, with more practice and patience we can probably make a science out of it.

needless to say even with adding too much water, the appearance, lack of smell, and taste of this mescaline make swim very excited! will report back upon consumption. thanks tregar, your dream was a play-by-play of exactly what to expect

[Fresh Brewed]

Originally Posted by EmmisonJ

why isn't this archive material?

It sure gets my vote

[Shadowlord]

I only wish Tregar was around more often.
I spoke w/ him prior to me ever running any Mesc ext. teks but after months of reading his posts ( and others along with help from many members here ) I have run the extraction several times now and have always had great success and gotten slightly yellow to almost white Mesc every time.
This thread definitely should be archived and is a must read to anyone who truly wants to become expert in the art of extracting Mescaline.
I just sampled some of my work in my dreams this last weekend and had the strongest visuals I have evr attained. Had lots of fun watching stuff melt and seeing energy zinging around the room

[EmmisonJ]

i strongly recommend this mek recrystallization to anyone with the equipment and safety knowledge. in my dreams i would sometimes see variations of off-white to light yellow mesc (not a solid yellow like a lot of DMT pics you see here, but in the right lighting you could def see a yellow tinge) so it sounds pretty comparable to yours. in the dream described above the mesc didn't appear yellow at all, it was off-white and i was greatly surprised when i saw how many impurities the mek removed!

equipment used:

digital thermometer (preferably candy/oil thermometer)

hotplate/magnetic stirrer

ring stand and clamp to hold the flask in place in the water bath

stainless steel stirring pot (to use for the hot water bath - the magnetic stirring can pass through stainless steel)

stir bar (stir bar shape and size depends upon your flask of choice, in the dream above it was a 1" egg shape stir bar)

flask (the dream above it was a 250ml roundbottom flask)

fire extinguisher (like tregar said you shouldn't need it, but always be prepared)

fumehood with sparkess/explosion-proof fan or do it outside

pipette or dropper to drop the distilled water in

and of course the mescaline and mek

really tregar's instructions are spot-on, much props

[EmmisonJ]

thanks tregar for paving the way with such creative and vivid dreams:

in swim's latest dream:

the product had no noticeable smell (unrecrystallized mesc typically has a slight hcl smell to it) and when it was scraped up it preferred to take the form of very small, flat, fluffy-edged crystals. when ground well to a powder it was extremely fine and liked to clump up into little mounds of "fluff" in the gel cap.

a small taste test: very bitter but the taste was actually less overbearing and more reserved than crude mescaline hcl, melted immediately on contact with the tongue, no grittiness at all like what is present in crude mescaline hcl almost like snow melting.

the experience: swim swears, in this dream, that mg for mg the recrystallized seems much more potent than the crude mescaline hcl. the MEK must remove some fairly heavy impurities? the experience itself seemed smoother, cleaner, or is that just in swim's mind because he knows this product is more pure? either way, swim is now convinced that un-recrystallized mescaline is a waste of potential incredible product

note: just as a reference point when swim mentions "crude mescaline hcl" he doesn't mean sanchez. his crude mescaline is typically off-white, when he's really sloppy it is off-white with a slight yellowish hue but never tan or brown.

[ahura999]

hi tregar like i said to waylitjim , great to see someone who is really using a forum to its maximum, love your work.

[ahura999]

Tregar thanks . Everyone else , thanks also .



thought some practical input useful .....for all in the land of Oz

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I say Mate , Diggers seem most the most available , good source of info

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good ol hardware down the local b--nings in the plumbing section qwikprime 100% MEK 500ml

[beautypath]

Tregar,
Thanks for the write up. Your MEK recrystalization is the process that really made my tech work.
I don't mean to intrude, but I have stopped using water as my carrier of the mesc into the MEK. Water seems to cause a reaction with the mesc to yield a yellow substance which is definitely not mesc. I now disolve my mesc into methanol. I use 5 - 7 ml of warm methanol per gram of mesc. This is then poured into warm MEK, 100 ml of MEK per gram of mesc. With constant stirring this is boiled down until the mesc recrystalizes, usually at about the 1/2 way mark. I boil down to 1/4 just to be sure all the mesc has come out.

My final purification process is a recrystalization from chloroform. Same tech as described above.

Peace and Beauty to You.