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    Alright, Im trying to get a discussion started on the topic of DMT extraction. Ive done this several times now, with some good and not so good results. Im wondering if any of you have any tips, advice or have recently learned anything useful in your extractions. Im planning an extraction to end all extractions and Im looking for anything useful from some of the guys that have a little more experience than myself. I would also welcome any input on Extraction in general be it Mescaline, Psilocin, LSA or general organic extraction theory.
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    Unfortunately all the rhodium links are dead, but you can find them archived. Ill post any archived references that I can get my hands on, for anything, that anyone requests.


    An Aqueous-Organic Extraction Method for
    the Isolation and Identification of Psilocin
    from Hallucinogenic Mushrooms


    J. F. Casale
    J. Forens. Sci. 30(1), 247-250 (1985)


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    Abstract

    A simple aqueous extraction method for the isolation and identification of psilocin from Psilocybe Cubensis mushrooms is reported. This method employs a dephosphorylation of the phosphate ester to psilocin, which facilitates a greater product yield and simplifies identification. Psilocin extracted by this method is sufficiently concentrated and free of co-contaminants to allow identification by infrared spectroscopy and gas chromatography/mass spectrometry.

    The tryptamines are one of four categories of hallucinogenic indoles in more than 20 classes of indole compounds comprising approximately 600 alkaloids1. Considerable research has been conducted with psilocin and psilocybin since their isolation by Hofmann et. al.2 Several extraction techniques1,3-6 have been used to isolate psilocin and psilocybin from more than two dozen species of mushrooms in four genera (Conocybe. Panaeolus, Psilocybe, Stropharia). The techniques that use methanol co-extract other compounds such as urea, ergosterol, ergosteral peroxide, α,α-trehalose, baeocystin, and norbaeocystin3,4,7. At present, a useful aqueous extraction procedure has not been reported for psilocin and psilocybin.
    The dephosphorylation of psilocybin to psilocin in vivo has been well documented1,8,9 and is thought to account for most or all of its central nervous system activity8. Conversion of psilocybin to psilocin is also necessary for aqueous extraction with organic solvents because of the very low lipid solubility of psilocybin. Extraction of only one compound also permits infrared analysis of the extract.
    Concentration and detectability of psilocin and psilocybin are dependent on several variables, including:
    1. The absence of glucose, which will prevent the production of psilocybin10.
    2. Low levels of ammonium succinate, which will give poor yields of psilocybin10.
    3. The growing medium, which requires a pH of less than 710.
    4. Timing: maximum production of psilocybin occurs on the seventh day after germination, while maximum production of the mycelium is reached by the ninth day10.
    5. Temperature: complete loss of psilocin and psilocybin will occur in harvested mushrooms left at room temperature for an extended period of time3.
    6. Oxidation: psilocin will oxidize to a blue product (possibly accounting for the bluing color in the four genera containing psilocin and psilocybin)9.
    Because of the increasing popularity of these mushrooms and kits available from drug oriented publications for growing mushrooms containing psilocin and psilocybin in cow manure a simple aqueous extraction procedure has been developed that extracts reasonably pure psilocin from mature mushrooms. This extraction method greatly simplifies the identification of psilocin from those mushrooms by infrared spectroscopy and gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GS/MS).
    Experimental

    A representative sample of 2 to 10g of dried mushrooms is ground to a fine powder by mortar and pestle. The powder is mixed with 100 mL of dilute acetic acid in a 250-mL beaker. The pH is readjusted to pH 4 with glacial acetic acid. After standing 1 h, the beaker is placed in a boiling water bath for 8 to 10 min or until the internal temperature of the acid mixture reaches 70°C. The beaker is removed and cooled to room temperature under running water. The acid mixture is separated from the mushroom powder by suction filtration using glass wool. The filtrate is brought to pH 8 with concentrated ammonium hydroxide and quickly extracted with two 50-mL portions of diethyl ether. Gentle mixing instead of shaking should be used to prevent an emulsion. The ether is dried over sodium sulfate, filtered, and evaporated under nitrogen with no applied heat.
    Crude psilocin will appear as a greenish residue. Recrystallization from chloroform/heptane (1:3) yields white crystals. The resulting powder can then be submitted to infrared and mass spectral analyses.

    Results and Discussion

    This method permits rapid isolation of psilocin from hallucinogenic mushrooms by co-extraction of both psilocin and psilocybin. Dilute acetic acid is an excellent solvent for this purpose, because both compounds are very soluble in acetic acid11 and very little of other interfering substances are extracted, It is most likely some other compounds are co-extracted but are removed from psilocin in the ether extraction from the aqueous base. Psilocybin is completely dephosphorytated to psilocin by heating the acid extract. After addition of the base, extraction into ether should be performed promptly, because of decomposition of psilocin at a greater pH than 712. The extraction and dephosporylation steps produce reasonably pure psilocin from a small amount of mushroom material. Two grams of mushrooms will often be sufficient to obtain an infrared spectrum of psilocin (Fig. 1). Smaller mushrooms exhibits provide ample psilocin for mass spectral analysis (Fig. 2).
    This method has been used in our laboratory for six months and has given excellent results in separating psilocin from methanol-soluble compounds. Other identification techniques such as gas chromatography and microcrystalline tests are possible on psilocin extracted by this method.




    References
    1. Schultes, R. E., "Indole Alkaloids in Plant Hallucinogens" Journal of Psychedelic Drugs, Vol. 8, No. 1, Jan.-March 1976, pp. 7-25.
    2. Hofmann, A., Heim, R., Barck, A., Kobel, H., Frey, A., et al, "Psilicybin [sic] and Psilocin" Helvetica Chimica Acta, Vol. 42, No. 2, pp. 1557-1572 (1959)
    3. Beug, M. W. and Bigwood, J., "Quantitative Analysis of Psilocybin and Psilocin in Psilicybe Baeocystis (Singer and Smith) by High-Performance Liquid Chromatography and by Thin-Layer Chromatography" Journal of Chromatography, Vol 207, No. 3, pp. 379-385 (1981)
    4. Koike, Y., Wada, K., Kusano, G., Nozoe, S., and Yokoyama, K., "Isolation of Psilocybin from Psilocybe Argentypes and Its Determination in Specimens of Some Mushrooms" Journal of Natural Products, Vol. 44, No. 3, May-June 1981, pp. 362-365.
    5. Ott, J. and Guzmán, G., "Detection of Psilocybin in Species of Psilocybe Panaeolus and Psathyrella" Lloydia, Vol. 39, No. 4, July-Aug. 1976, pp. 258-260.
    6. Guzmán, G. and Ott, J., "Description and Chemical Analysis of a New Species of Hallucinogenic Psilocybe from the Pacific Northwest" Mycologia, Vol. 68, No. 6, Nov. 1976, pp. 1261-1267.
    7. Lenny, A. W. and Paul, A. G., "Baeocystin and Norbaeocystin: New Analogs of Psilocybin form Psilocybe Baeocystis" Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Vol. 57, No. 10, Oct. 1968, pp. 1667-1671.
    8. Horita, A. and Weber, L. J., "Dephosphorylation of Psilocybin in the Intact Mouse" Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology, Vol. 4, No. 6. Nov. pp. 730-737.
    9. Horita, A. and Weber, L. J., "The Enzymatic Dephosphorylation and Oxidation of Psilocybin and Psilocin by Mammalian Tissue Homogenates" Biochemical Pharmacology, Vol. 7, No. 1, 1961, pp. 47-54.
    10. Catalfomo, P. and Tyler, V. E., "The Production of Psilocybin in Submerged Culture by Psilocybe Cubensis" Lloydia, Vol. 27, No. 1, pp. 53-63 (1964)
    11. Clarke, E. G. C., Isolation and Identification of Drugs, Pharmaceutical Press, London, 1974, p. 526.
    12. Agurell, S. and Eilsson, L., "Biosynthesis of Psilocybin Part II. Incorporation of Labeled Tryptamine Derivatives" Acta Chemica Scandinavica, Vol. 22, No. 4, pp. 1210-1218 (1968)
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    This is also quite good... really these are just things that place emphasis on purity and recrystallization technique - which is the art.
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    apparently when one heats the solution and nap... seems to get some good results.. just be careful as heat causes pressure and might get a painted wall or vent fan... none the less this was news to me and some are getting some pretty swell results outa super heated nap and a hot basic solution...
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    i just wanted to add.. if a visual high is what one is after spice is nice.. tis an extremly visual substance... almost breathtaking... anywho.. good luck with your extract
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    Food for thought

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    Tue, 02 Mar 93

    TOPICS

    Subject: Alkaliod extraction
    Subject: LSA extraction
    Subject: Extracting alkaloids from Tricocereus cacti.
    Subject: Re: Extracting alkaloids from Tricocereus cacti.
    Subject: Re: Extracting alkaloids from Tricocereus cacti.
    Subject: Extraction Refs
    Subject: Extraction info
    Subject: Extracting DMT from Acacia maidenii
    Subject: Extracting alkaloids from Psilocybe
    Subject: Myristicin and Safrol from Nutmeg / LSA from HBWR
    Subject: Re: Extracting LSA from HBWR
    Subject: Re: LSA
    Subject: BETA-CARBOLINES

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    From: anonymous
    Subject: Alkaliod extraction

    EXTRACTION:

    The method I use is a general one - I copied it from one
    used by some scientists to extract mescaline from peyote, but I
    have since seen close variations used on many plants.
    This procedure is followed, whenever a plant is studied for its
    alkaloids.

    A few ingredients and bits of equipment are necessary.
    I am a chemist, and have my own chemistry set. I have considered manufacture,
    but I find that there are enough interesting things to do just
    extracting natural compounds, which is much easier, indeed, possible
    in the home.

    You will need:
    A few flasks, glass containers, etc. of suitable sizes, depending on how
    large a volume you are playing with.
    A separating funnel is almost essential - this could be tricky to get without
    a little effort. If you don't know, it is an inverted conical flask with a
    hole at the top to pour stuff in , and a tap at the bottom to let the stuff
    out accurately . It is used for separating immiscible layers.
    A vacuum filtration apparatus would be very useful; I did have a bodgy one
    rigged up myself, but it was always difficult to use. Some kind of still,
    though, is pretty important to have, although conceivably for a once off
    you could get by without it, if you don't mind breathing in a lot of solvent.

    As far as still goes it is to recover solvent, and leave goodness as a
    residue at the bottom. I use a bit of quickfit I nicked: a round bottom
    flask, short column, thermometer on top, and a small condenser... takes
    for ever, but don't expect to follow this procedure in anything under a
    day.

    Other bits and pieces:
    A filtre of some sort is a necessity; preferably a good one, with a vacuum
    pump if you are filtring gluggy stuff (cactus is the worst, sticky goo,
    e.g., other things like seeds and bark are better). People have been
    known to use such devices as coffee filtres, t-shirts, tins with holes
    in the bottom (as a filtre press) and so on. Whatever you can scrounge.
    A lab buchner funnel, sidearm flask, and venturi pump are ideal.
    All this stuff is standard in any chemical lab, regardless of discipline.
    (cont'd in part ii)
    CTION part ii:

    Chemicals necessary:
    The paydirt (obviously)
    Some solvents: methanol (lots), and a non polar solvent. Some people use
    ether - this is dangerous and doesn't dissolve everything. Your best bet
    is probably something chlorinated - I use dichloromethane, although
    chloroform will do (don't breath too much - it is fun at first, but ends
    up making you feel ill). Drycleaning fluid... petrol.... I don't know
    what you have access to.
    Dichloromethane is good because it is non-toxic, volatile, and a good
    solvent. It has a major drawback: separation is often very difficult
    once you have placed your gluggy plant muck in there. The shot is to
    use large quantities of everything, and be patient.
    You will also need an acid (Hydrogen chloride is good)
    and a base/alkali (Sodium hydroxide is good - that way, if you stuff up,
    you end up synthesizing salt instead of something nasty.)
    Also useful: acid/base indicator paper, boiling chips (porcelain grains)
    and activated charcoal - see local chemist.

    The idea is this:
    Most fun compounds (the only exception is maybe THC, and alcohol if you count
    that) are basic - they contain nitrogen.
    So: in general, if you react them with hydrochloric acid, the form a water
    soluble chloride. If you react them with dilute base in the aqueous phase,
    they go back to being a base, which is insoluble in water, but soluble in
    organic non-polar solvents (like CH2Cl2). So, the theory is, that only
    a base will go from water to solvent and back to water etc. when changed
    from acidic to basic and back to acidic. This gives you a way of removing
    all the other crap which is not alkaloid from a sample. That is the theory.
    When I do this, if I can get down to some brown or green sludge that I can
    throw down or smoke, I am happy with a good days work. Ideally, you should
    end up with lovely white crystals, but I think that would require a lot
    of time and effort, and indeed a considerable loss of product in the process.

    Procedure:
    Get your stuff.
    Dry it as much as possible - this makes life easier later on. You will never
    get all the water out, but too bad.
    Chop it up as fine as possible: a blender comes in handy.
    You may wish to chop then dry. A word of caution : try to avoid exposing
    your stuff to excessive heat. I dry in low heat oven. Heat and air destroy
    good compounds from upwards of 100 degs C. All this bit will depend on
    exactly what you are extracting.
    Once it is finely divided - powdered if possible, put it in a big container,
    and cover it with methanol.
    Alternatives to methanol here are ethanol (not as good) and acetone (good
    solvent - rips the crap out of anything, but is more reactive - can react
    with your actives).

    Now, depending on what your stuff is, you have to let the methanol have time
    to remove it all. This is best done by leaving in a quiet warm place for
    a few days, even up to a week, and shaking it occasionally so it is mixed.
    Some papers recommend solvent extraction (soxhlet apparatus) and refluxing
    at the boiling point of the methanol (80 degs or so - I can't remember).
    I usually just rely on time to get the good stuff out.
    When you are ready (early in the morning), filtre the muck, to give you
    methanol+dissolved brown gunk, and a residue soaked with methanol.
    The residue still contains a lot of good stuff, so soak again for an hour,
    and repeat, and do a third time if you are feeling generous (3 is the
    magic number in extraction work).
    When you are done, there is another thing you can do finally, if desired:
    depending on what your stuff is, mix it up with dilute hydrochloric acid,
    1M is appropriate. let stand for an hour, then filtre (this may be very
    difficult) That will get the last of the alkaloids out of the substrate.
    (continued in part iii)
    EXTRACTION part iii

    You now have a methanol-plant stuff mixture, and a dilute HCL-plant stuff
    mixture, if you bothered to do that part.
    Evaporate the methanol, to leave a small amount of goo. This will contain
    water, a bit of methanol, and all kinds of resins and muck, and if you
    are lucky, the alkaloids.
    If a very quick and crude extraction was all that was desired, then after
    stripping the last of the methanol with vacuum if possible, this residue
    could be smoked eaten or whathaveyou. I leave that to your discretion.
    However, if a cleaner product is desired, the double layer extraction
    will need to be performed.
    Combine the evaporated methanol gunge with the hydrochloric acid filtrate
    if you have any. If you don't then mix the methanol stuff with an excess
    of dilute (1M) HCl. Feel free to filtre again at this point. Anything of
    marginal solubility here is no good to you. Get the stuff as clean as
    possible. Boiling with activated charcoal is another useful trick for
    removing gunge. Just boil it up, and filter off the charcoal for a
    cleaner brew.
    You should now have an acid aqueous solution of alkaloids and water
    solubles from the plant.

    Take your acidic solution, and bassify. This is done by mixing in dilute
    sodium hydroxide (I use up to 5M to save on total volume. Be careful with
    conc NaOH - apart from eating skin, it eats alkaloids) As you mix in the
    NaOH, you will see swirls of white precipitate form and redissolve.
    Continue until the white swirls stay, and until the solution is quite
    cloudy. Indicator paper is necessary to see that the solution is basic.
    If you can't get indicator paper, you can make an indicator by boiling
    up some purple flowers. The dyes in most flowers go bright red in acid,
    and green in strong alkali. Just a drop of dye and a drop of mixture
    should tell you what is acid or base.

    The white precipitate is the alkaloids. The more the better.
    Next, add equal volume of non-polar solvent (dichloromethane) to the mix.
    Place in separating funnel, and shake. Separate. This may be very difficult
    or slow. Adding more solvent, more basic water, etc. may help. Adding lots
    of salt to the water layer will help break an emulsion. Ideally you want it
    do this step 3 times - to extract as much as possible from the water layer
    into the organic. I find this part very difficult, and you have to accept
    that you will lose quite a lot of material here. It is, however probably
    easier with some plants that others: cactus is very difficult, barks and
    seeds would be easier. Use plenty of salt, and agitate to separate.
    When you have finished extraction, chuck the basic water layer.
    The solvent layer is kept, and can be backwashed with salty water for a
    cleaner mixture.

    The solvent can now be dried, (using salt or some dry powder, the filtred)
    (I don't usually bother with this - the old hairdryer at the end can
    remove some last solvent and water) then strip the solvent in a vacuum
    to get your final product - some kind of syrup could be expected.
    This is super concentrated, but may only be half the strength of the
    original. e.g. put in enough for 10 doses of morning glory seeds, get
    back 5 doses or more of concentrated alkaloids.
    If it is desired to take the process still further, you can do the obvious
    thing - mix your solvent layer with dilute acid again and extract back into
    water. Acid layer could be evaporated under vacuum to give salts of
    alkaloids. Alternatively, if the organic layer were scrupulously dry,
    bases could be salted out with some organic acid - a tartrate, oxalate
    could be formed. I have never bothered with such things - you would need
    a lot of pure extract to be bothered.
    The acid-base extraction process can be continued as many times as is
    desired.

    If a truly pure product is desired, the only way to go from here is
    chromatography. I have never used this at home, and wouldn't think
    it was worth the trouble, but there will be papers available on what
    was used for a particular extraction case.

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    Date: 08 Aug 1992 17:53:37 -0500 (CDT)
    From: mike@penguin.gatech.edu
    Subject: LSA extraction

    The method is very simple, requires nothing you can't buy easily and legally,
    and it's not very expensive. There are refinements galore to this, and
    I might try them in order to purify this stuff, but the chemicals aren't as
    available, and it rewuires things like pH paper, which I don't know how to get.
    Maybe I can get some anyway. I'll see.

    First of all, you need either (a) a _lot_ of morning glory seeds or (b) some
    hawiian baby woodrose seeds. You also need petroleum ether, which is
    a petroleum refining byproduct, and some high proof drinkable ethanol.

    I'll explain the theory as I understand it so that you can understand the
    flexability in this recipe.

    There are two kinds of solvents, polar and nonpolar. Generally, the good stuff
    in seeds is polar soluable, and the bad stuff is nonpolar soluable.

    So the idea is to first make a nonpolar solution, which of course means
    that you take a nonpolar solvent and soak the ground up seeds in it. The
    result is a solution of garbage from the seeds and the nonpolar solvent.
    Petroleum is a nonpolar solvent, so it will function in this capacity.
    The down side is that petroleum is poisonous, so you don't want to drink it.
    The good news is that petroleum is extremely volatile, so it evaporates
    quickly and cleanly. So the first stage is to soak the ground up seeds
    in petroleum ether for a few days, and then filter the resulting cloudy
    solution through some coffee filters, throw away the solution, and keep
    the seed mush. The seed mush consists of nondisolved LSA's, fiber, and
    the remaining solution that didn't drip through the filter. This part
    can be iterated to get more and more garbage out of the mush.
    The final time, let the seed mush dry thoroughly so that the petroleum
    evaporates so that you don't have any poison in there.

    After the seed mush dries, the nest stage is to make a polar solution,
    which separates the alkaloids (the LSA'a) from the fiber of the seeds.
    This is done with alcohol. There are other polar solvents, but again,
    the key is to have one which easily evaporates, one which will not destroy the
    LSA's, and one which is not poisonous. Ethanol serves this purpose. Methanol
    will also work, but methanol causes blindness, so if you use methanol,
    make damn sure it's all evaporated before consuming the product.
    In some states ethanol is illegal, and California is such a state.
    In that case, using methanol is probably the way to go. Also keep in mind that
    there is such thing as denatured ethanol, which is ethanol which has
    been intentionally poisoned so that it is undrinkable. The reason for doing
    this is that drinkable ethanol is taxable under the Tobacco Alcohol and
    Firearms people, and denatured ethanol has uses in chemistry and cleaning.
    The point is that you should under no circumstances use denatured ethanol
    because it will make you sick or kill you or cause cancer or all three.
    So, make an alcohol solution of the seeds. Then filter the solution
    through filter paper, like before, except this time keep the liquid
    in a jar. Repeat this step 3 or 4 times, always keeping the liquid. When
    you've exhausted the seeds, throw them away. The liquid you have should
    be yellow and smelly. Put this in a shallow flat tray or pan or
    large bowl, and let it evaporate in a dark dry place for a day or two, or
    until there is no liquid. The pan should have a yellowish scum residue.
    That's the LSA gunk. Scrape that up with a razor blade or credit card
    or whatever works. It'll be sticky and gummy, and once it's all scraped up
    it will look dark brown.

    That's pretty much all there is to it. You can take this several steps
    further to get a more pure product. That would be to alternately
    make an acid solution and base salts from the LSA's, which would eventually
    leave you with a very pure white powder. This requires much more effort,
    and wastes some of the product, and the only reason for doing it would be
    to remove more garbage, but the amount of garbage left in the brown gunk
    is insignificant.

    Once you have this stuff as pure as you want it, you can ingest it in
    your favorite form. You can either swallow it as a lump, put it into
    a gelitain capsule, drink the ethanol solution, or dissolve it in some
    cool-aid. I recommend either capsules or swallow the lump if you can
    handle the taste.

    Other notes: Petroleum ether is in Naptha, which is available in
    hardware stores. That's what I've used, and it works fine. Other
    petroleum solvents would work like ethyl ether, which evaporates
    much more easily and is a better solvent, and something like
    gasoline, which has additives and does not evaporate as cleanly as
    naptha. If you can get petroleum ether from a chemical supplier,
    try it instead of naptha. A rule of thumb is that after making a solution
    with the nonpolar solvent, and after it dries, it should smell absolutely
    nothing at all like petroleum, or whatever solvent you used. If you
    use gasoline, you'll notice a strong gasoline smell, which means you're
    screwed. I know first hand from repeated experience that naptha works.
    Also, read the labels of whatever solvent you use. Make sure it contains
    no benzene. Benzene is the most evil carcinogen known, and even in trace
    amounts it can cause cancer. There is no safe amount of benzene.
    On the other hand benzene is everywhere, and if some chemical engineer points
    out to you that there is benzene in naptha even if it's not on the label
    keep in mind that there is an enormous amount of benzene in automobile exhaust.
    You're going to die anyway. If there is no mention of carcinogens or benzene
    on the label of the naptha, then there isn't enough such that you should not
    use it.

    The finer details of this recipe I can give you another time, but I just
    wanted to give you some theory and a general idea of what the procedure is.
    I can give you some things I have from off the net pertaining to this.

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    Date: Tue, 4 Aug 92 12:55:44 EST
    From: anonymous
    Subject: Extracting alkaloids from Tricocereus cacti.

    Instructions for purifying alkaloids from Tricocereus cacti.
    This is a general method for concentrating alkaloids, with emphasis
    on mescaline, but which may be adapted to other plants and alkaloids.
    It requires that the alkaloids be relatively basic and that the
    base form be less soluble in water. So it would work well for DMT,
    but not psilocybin of caffeine for example.

    The principle of alkaloid purification is to obtain from a plant only
    that fraction which is basic. This is achieved by a double layer
    extraction, relying on the principle that amines (as opposed to most
    of the other compounds in a plant) are soluble in acidic (the salt form)
    but insoluble in basic (the basic form) aqueous solution. However,
    the basic form is soluble in non-polar organic solvents whereas the
    acidic/salt form is not. Thus, by varying the pH, alkaloids can be
    taken from aqueous solution to organic solution or vice-versa, leaving
    behind other materials.

    Some chemicals and equipment are important for successful extraction of
    alkaloids from cactus. The chemicals include methanol, dichloromethane
    or chloroform, sodium hydroxide and hydrochloric acid. The equipment
    includes a distillation apparatus, a separating funnel, and various
    beakers and containers, pH tester, and filter. Alternatives can
    be found for each of these.

    Method:

    1) Slice and dry the cactus. I haven't worked out the best way to do this;
    no matter how I do it, I am always afraid that I am destroying the
    alkaloids. In general, what seems to work is to slice it thinly, and
    run hot air over it overnight. The more water which can be removed from
    the cactus at this stage, the easier the process will be.

    2) Pulverise the dried cactus. I have tried using a blender, and it seems
    to work moderately well. The cactus is tough so you will have to be
    patient. The finer the grinding, the better the extraction.

    3) Extract dried cactus with methanol. Ideally this is done hot using
    solvent-extraction apparatus (soxhlet). Various makeshift methods
    may suffice for a hot extraction, but I have generally merely soaked
    the stuff for up to a week, cold. Ideally this step should be done
    three times, and the extracts concentrated. I have done it once for
    a week, and then washed out the absorbed methanol with fresh methanol
    once or twice over an hour or two. What you should end up with, after
    filtering out the bulk of the cactus, is a green methanol extract.
    Ethanol or acetone could be substituted for methanol, but neither of
    these is quite as effective. It is generally desirable to use several
    times the weight of the dried cactus for the methanol extraction, or
    at least enough to cover it well in a container.

    4) Remove the methanol to leave just an extract residue. This is best
    done using vacuum distillation, but can be done using atmospheric
    distillation, to recover the solvent. If you don't mind losing several
    litres of methanol, you can merely boil the stuff into the atmosphere;
    just avoid starting a fire. ALWAYS no matter what use boiling chips
    (porcelain) to promote even boiling. Methanol superboils easily, as
    I have found :-(. Once most of the methanol is removed, you will be
    left with a hundred ml or so of watery, methanoly, green slime.
    If it weren't for the methanol and the bad taste, this could be
    consumed at this point. In general, I would say that it may be worth
    your while going to the next stage if you can manage it.

    5) Add dilute hydrochloric acid. Sulfuric acid, etc. could be used instead,
    but I like to use HCl and NaOH, because the product is NaCl, which is
    of no consequence if it contaminates anything. HCl is not as oxidising
    as H2SO4. The HCl should be less than 1M, but not weaker than 0.1M (pH 0-1).
    Add a few times the reduced volume of liquid - e.g. take the stuff
    to 400 ml from 100 ml, etc. One good idea is to let the bulk cactus
    residue (post methanol) dry, and then soak it for a few hours in the
    acid you are going to use to add at this point. This will extract the
    last of the alkaloids. Unfortunately, cactus being what it is, will
    swell enormously, and removing the HCl is tricky. I have resorted
    to large quantities of HCl and a kind of press to squeeze out the
    acid from the bulk residue. This acid should then be filtered, and
    added to the methanol extract residue as above.

    6) (optional) The stuff at this point will be a bit of a mess. Adding
    activated charcoal and boiling gently for 10 minutes will help to congeal
    the chlorophyll etc. which is gumming up the stuff. Do not add too much
    charcoal - less than a gram should be plenty. Too much will adsorb
    alkaloids. Don't use burnt wood, burnt toast, etc - get the proper stuff
    from the local pharmacist. Performing this step will make the next stages
    considerably easier.

    7) Filter the HCl extract. This will remove a proportion of the gunge.
    This will be easier if charcoal was used. The more gunge that can be
    removed at this stage, the better. Washing the residue with fresh HCl
    before discarding, and adding this to the rest will ensure no loss of
    yield.

    8) carefully basify the HCl solution with NaOH. I tend to use around a
    5M solution for this, which is OK as long as you stir as it reacts.
    Take it well above pH 7. You should get white clouds of alkaloids
    forming in the solution, and the whole will become turbid as some of
    the acid soluble components precipitate. Ammonia or KOH should work
    for this purpose as well. I have had some difficulty with ammonia not
    being quite basic enough in other systems.

    9) Add dichloromethane (or chloroform); be generous with the quantities
    if possible. Ideally, one would like to extract into CH2Cl2 3 times with
    equal volumes, but the amount of solvents gets huge. Ether is not all
    that good with mescaline extraction, I believe, even though it is
    easier to separate from water. CH2Cl2 is handy because it has a very
    low boiling point. It is at this point in the whole operation that the
    most care and patience is necessary. A separating funnel is really a
    must - one could plausibly separate the layers with a very tall thin
    jar and a syringe, but this would be difficult. Ideally, the basic
    solution and the CH2Cl2 will separate into 2 nice layers, the lower
    one (organic) containing the alkaloids. Unfortunately, while this
    is not difficult with most plants, it is very difficult with cactus
    extracts because the cacti contain so much resinous junk and
    natural surfactents (to retain water). The best way I have found
    to separate the layers once you have shaken them together is to
    add plenty of salt (NaCl) to the water/base layer. This is excellent
    for breaking the emulsions which form. Be prepared to use large
    quantities of salt.

    10) Separate dichloromethane layer from mixture and put aside. Repeat
    steps 9-10 a few times: once is insufficient, three is good, four
    is excessive. Combine all the dichloromethane extracts together.
    This should be a slightly green solution. It will contain a bit of
    water, most likely.

    11) Backwash the dichloromethane once with a solution of salt and
    NaOH (dilute). This will clean up the last of the junk from the
    organic solution. Separate the layers as before and discard all
    aqueous material.

    12) Distill off the dichloromethane (or allow to escape to the atmosphere
    if you are rich and don't like the ozone layer). I have found that
    once you are down to maybe 20 ml of residue, the best option is
    to place the remainder in a petri dish (or some flat dish you are
    going to store it on) and hitting it with a hairdryer to remove
    any last CH2Cl2 and water. You should be left with a small quantity
    of moderately pure alkaloids. This can be easily consumed by
    dissolving in vodka, e.g., or should be stable for extended periods
    if refrigerated, frozen, kept airtight and away from moisture.
    Do not expect more than a 50% yield the first time you try this:
    theoretically if everything is done properly, the yield should
    approach 100%, but this is rarely the case.

    ------------------------------

    From: anonymous #2
    Subject: Re: Extracting alkaloids from Tricocereus cacti.

    I've had a quick scan through that post, and it seems he's been pretty
    complete in his description. I can add the following information:

    - The initial extraction is very important. You only have as much alkaloid
    to play with as you extract at this point. Similarly, the more gunk you
    extract at this stage, the more you'll have to eliminate. Methanol is
    used because it's not too polar or non-polar, and it penetrates cell
    walls and membranes quite effectively. Acetone would be as effective, but
    it seems to pull much more gunk out along with it, and for this reason
    should probably be avoided. Also note that the better your mechanical
    mulching process is, the more effective the extraction will be. Also, note
    that a hot solvent extraction under reflux conditions, or using a soxhlet
    would be more effective, but bear in mind that some alkaloids may decompose
    with heat - it's probably worthwhile checking the physical characteristics
    of the alkaloid in question in your handy Merck index or CRC handbook.

    - With respect to the degree of acidity and basicity necessary for the
    extraction, this can only really be found by trial and error. Insufficient
    difference from neutrality will cause insufficient separation, extremes
    of pH (particulary too basic) may cause alkaloids to be degraded or other
    nasty things to happen. Also note that other compounds present may act as
    buffers - be sure to stir well, and measure the pH using indicator paper
    or somesuch.

    - The final product is a free base. Usually it's unneccessary to go further
    than this. Forming a salt can be tricky, and would also be wasteful. If
    you're ingesting the product orally, then it'll salt adequately with the
    HCl in your stomach. If you're concerned with oxidation by the air, well,
    use your better judgement (are you really going to wait that long before
    eating the stuff). Of course, if it's DMT and you're going to smoke it,
    forming the salt is a waste of time.

    Hope that's helpful.

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    From: anonymous #2
    Subject: Re: Extracting alkaloids from Tricocereus cacti.

    One other question though which is on "backwashing"... what
    exactly is this procedure?

    Once you've extracted the goodies into the solvent layer, you attempt to
    remove any remaining non-alkaloid gunk that may have come along with it.
    So you wash the extract with basified water, which forms another layer
    which you discard. Jez describes this in the procedure. It's not always
    necessary, but once you've got that far, it's usually not difficult to do
    (i.e. you've got the layers to separate successfully once already)

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    From: anonymous #2
    Subject: Extraction Refs

    Here are the references for the extraction procedures. I don't have the
    titles of the papers, but all are in readily available journals:

    Mescaline:

    JACS 88 p4218 (1966)
    Lloydia 29 p318 (1966)

    DMT from acacias:

    Aust. J. Chem 16 p246 (1963)


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    Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:30:46 EDT
    From: anonymous
    Subject: Extraction info

    >do you know what the following are:
    >
    >Et2O?

    diethyl ether, commonly called ether. less polar than water or
    alcohol, more polar than petroleum or toluene/benzene.
    I don't use it; dichloromethane is much safer, and easier
    to get, but is slightly more cosoluble with water.

    >THF?

    Tetrahydrofuran:

    O
    / \
    H2C CH2
    | |
    H2C___CH2

    It is a cyclic ether, very similar to diethyl ether (obviously)
    but is perhaps a stronger solvent, and is even more dangerous.

    >IPA?

    H3C
    \
    H-C-OH
    /
    H3C

    ispropanol. IPA could stand for anything, but this is a good
    chance. I'd call it iPrOH in writing, myself. It's a common
    alcohol - the next most commonly available after ethanol
    and methanol (not counting sugar etc.). It is still miscible
    with water. Butanol partly cosoluble with water. Higer
    alkanols are not. iPrOH has a similar boiling point to
    ethanol, and is quite volatile. It is less polar than ethanol,
    but much more polar than ether.
    Polarity and solubility is a nebulous concept. If you actually
    look at what is dissolved by what, you can only find vague
    general principles, and plenty of exceptions. Some authors
    have tried to make 3 and 4 dimensional polarity or solubility
    graphs, and put various solvents in various points as having
    a combination of different types of solvent power.

    >and how to do a distillation "at 2.0 mm/108-112 deg C, or at about 160
    >deg C at the water pump"?

    You need special apparatus for both. If I were pushed, I could
    put together the latter (I have the necessary equipment
    lying around.) I wouldn't attempt the former, except in
    a lab, which is where I have done it. Both of them are,
    of course, low pressure distillation.

    At a low enough pressure, anything becomes gaseous. This
    is of course because every substances has a vapour pressure
    at a given temperature. By evaporating something under
    vacuum, you can turn it into a gas at a temperature
    lower than the temperature at which it oxidises or
    spontaneously decomposes.

    A water pump, or venturi pump, is a simple vacuum which can
    be attached to a fast flowing water source. The
    theoretical minimum pressure is the vapour pressure of
    water at whatever temperature (e.g. 15 mmhg at 20 degs or
    what have you), but in practive, this is never reached.
    A water trap between the pump and the distillation
    apparatus is essential, and if you wish to recover whatever
    you are distilling, you will need a special collecting
    vessel (often ice cooled) as well. A mechanical vacuum
    pump is just the same, except it is large and heavy and
    noisy and expensive and can achive a high vacuum, which
    is often necessary for the distillation and purification
    of organic compounds.

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    Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:31:22 EDT
    From: anonymous
    Subject: Extracting DMT from Acacia maidenii


    The following events are as far divorced from reality as the experience
    of the drug itself :-)

    I discovered that a local plant, Acacia maidenii, was reported to contain
    0.6% alkaloids in the bark, of which 1/3 was N-methyl tryptamine, and
    2/3 was Dimethyl Tryptamine (DMT).
    Alkaloids of The Australian Leguminosae - The Occurrence of
    Methylated Tryptamines in Acacia maidenii F. Muell.
    J.S. Fitzgerald and A.A. Sioumis
    Australian Journal of Chemistry, 1965, 18 433-4

    Some research of old botany books suggested a nearby location, and to
    my surprise I found many hundred of the trees growing along creek gullys
    in a nearby national park.
    I took about half a kilo of vertical strips from a number of trees, trying
    to cause as little as possible permanent damage. The bark was thick, red,
    fibrous and resinous.

    Smoking the bark directly gave a mild hallucinogenic effect, on the
    limits of the detectable.
    That evening, I shredded the bark by hand. This was difficult and
    incomplete; mechanical milling would be far preferable.
    I placed the shreds about 3.5 litres of analytical grade methanol from
    Monday night until Friday afternoon. The methanol quickly took up colour
    from the bark and turned a deep red colour.
    As much as possible of the methanol was removed by filtering.
    I evaporated off the methanol using a fractionating column, a condenser,
    and a saucepan of boiling water as heating, for some hours, and recovered
    much of the methanol. I placed this methanol back with the bark and
    reextracted for some hours while evaporating the rest, then filtered
    the bark again and combined the extracts, and stripped as much as
    possible of the methanol, to leave a thick resinous brown liquid.
    A portion of the extract was evaporated using a hair-drier to give a
    thick brown resin. Attempts at smoking this using pipe and hot knife
    proved unpleasant and gave minimal effect.

    It was decided to perform further extraction.
    To the extract was added dilute hydrochloric acid (about 20 ml 10M,
    but well diluted). Immediately, a large amount of tar congealed and
    was removed, leaving a watery brown aqueous mixture.
    This was basified with NaOH, although on reflection, I would use NH3
    next time as it is less likely to overbasify and react with any of the
    compounds present. White precipitations were seen on basification, which
    redissolved on stirring.
    The aqueous phase was extracted twice into CH2Cl2, and the solvent
    evaporated as before. The last stage of evaporation was accomplished
    with a hair drier, to leave about a gram or so of pale yellow liquid.
    On standing 24 hours, this liquid crystallised as circular arrangements
    of needles.

    Preliminary attempts at smoking small amounts of the alkaloids gave
    varying mild effects, and a friend and I decided to try a larger dose.
    He took a cone in one toke, and was immediately on the ground, making
    strange sounds and looking odd. He hugged me and told me to meet him in
    that place, and said it was very strong. I managed to finish a large
    cone in 3 tokes, and was instantly blown apart as if by a large
    brick through the head. I think I was temporarily blinded, and
    found myself on the ground grasping my friend, and coughing for air,
    as I watched all of my surroundings fragment into small pieces
    divided by lightning bolts, and feeling all the air in the universe
    escape through the holes. We were both totally astounded and scared
    shitless. 2 minutes later, the intense part was over. We staggered
    out into the open, and walked in the park until we calmed down.
    Pleasant mild hallucinations continued for about half an hour, and
    there were no after effects whatsoever. The experience was extemely
    intense, and the smoke has an unpleasant taste. Several other people
    have tried it since, and the most popular adjective is "wicked".
    Effects have ranged from mild to intense, and some people say that
    while it could not be described as "good" or "enjoyable", they would
    be happy to try it again. My subsequent trips were more bearable,
    as I was not under any anxiety about the duration or outcome of the trip.
    Nevertheless, the trip is still extremely intense, and also physically
    demanding: giving strong tactile hallucinations and stimulation.

    On a second occasion, I took 1.7 kg of bark, and pulverised it as
    best I could using a circular saw. The result was mostly a fibrous
    powder. Some pieces had to be shredded by hand. Methanol extraction
    was performed as before. Since the amount was larger on this occasion,
    the quantities were somewhat unwieldy. Stripping the five litres of
    solvent (aprx) took approximately 14 hours. On attempting to acidify,
    filter, and basify, considerable difficulty was experienced; the
    acidified residue seemed unfilterable, and when basified with NH3,
    a thick pink gel was formed which was impossible to extract. By a
    painful process of trial and error, I found that at very low pH,
    most of the resins became dissolved or suspended. At slightly low
    pH, the residue separated nicely into a tar and an aqueous phase.
    At slightly high pH, the mixture became a thick gelatinous solid.
    At very high pH, this solid redissolved. The result of this seems to
    be that much of the tar can be separated by successive extraction
    at moderately low pH (dilute HCl), and then that the addition of
    strong hydroxide will leave the amphoteric resins in solution,
    but make the alkaloids insoluble. These are then extracted into
    dichloromethane as before, and the organic layer is back extracted
    with salty NaOH solution to remove impurities. The dichloromethane
    is then stripped as before, to leave the alkaloids which crystallise
    in 24 hours or more.

    Myself and a friend experimented with repeat doses of DMT at close
    intervals. A base pipe was used for smoking the alkaloids. This pipe
    allows minimum combustion and maximum vaporisation, and thus is the
    most economical way to smoke DMT. Because there is little combustion,
    the smoke does not taste quite as bad, and also the base pipe allows
    more accurate metering of the dose. After the initial physical rush,
    it was found that taking small tokes at intervals of a few minutes
    was sufficient to maintain an extremely pleasant trip, not unlike
    that of psilocin. There was minimum physical discomfort associated
    with the cruise. However, while in this mild state, I took two
    large tokes of the substance, and a few seconds later, without
    warning, I was blown apart. I was walking, but staggered and
    choked, gasping for air. The effects were totally overwhelming,
    like being thrown out of the universe, and I watched my visual
    sphere being pixelated at successively lower resolutions, until
    I could see merely individual elements of colour. The intensity
    was such as to make it very unpleasant.

    A few more experiences should be related. It seems that the
    response of various people to this extract varies greatly, and
    even a single individual can have a variety of responses, from
    no effect to total dissociation. One girl tried a single toke
    for the first time, and was completely thrown out of the
    universe (from her description). She was begging for it to
    end; the duration was longer than usual: about 15 minutes of
    heavy peak, and at the end of it she vomited while gasping for
    air when beginning to return to some normality and bodliy control.

    On one occasion, I first ate a whole bottle of the 4:1 extract
    of Passiflora incarnata which is available over the counter in
    Australia. Each tablet contains 500 mg of extract, and I ate
    60 tablets. Supposedly a single tablet is supposed to be a herbal
    sedative, but I was not sedated after consuming the 60. My
    reason for doing this was that Passiflora incarnata is
    supposed to contain a variety of beta-carbolines which are
    mono-amine-oxidase inhibitors, which have been used to
    potentiate the effects of DMT, and make it orally active.
    About 40 minutes later, I smoked some DMT, the effects of
    which were not greatly different from what I am used to.
    I then had a slightly larger amount, and without warning,
    felt an intense incredible rush of physical pleasure through
    my body. Within seconds, I was riding on the most intense
    unimaginable pure total body orgasm. I was unable to control
    myself, and I was screaming at the top of my voice until
    the effects subsided. The visual and auditory enhancement
    were mild, but the physical hallucination is was by far the
    most enjoyable thing I have ever experienced. Observers, who
    were taken aback by my behaviour, claim that I was in this
    state for about 10 minutes. Afterwards, I felt intensely
    euphoric, and both very excited and very relaxed. I tried
    eating a significant quantity of the DMT after this experience,
    and found no effect. This would indicate that the Sedacalm
    passionflower extract is insufficient to orally activate
    DMT at these doses. It may be that higher doses would
    have some effect, or that Sedacalm does not contain
    appreciable quantities of beta-carbolines. Harman,
    harmol, harmalol, harmaline, and harmine have all been
    reported in Passiflora incarnata over the years, but one
    paper claims that only harman, which is not particularly
    active, is the only alkaloid present.

    I intend to experiment further with this plant.
    I am planning to attempt to side-step the methanol extraction,
    simply by attempting to extract directly into hydrochloric acid.
    Freezing and thawing the bark might serve to burst the vesicles
    containing the alkaloids (if this is the case - I am not a
    biologist). The advantage of doing this would be decreased cost,
    easy availability of all raw materials, and decreased time
    involved. The disadvantage would most likely be a reduction
    in yield, but larger amounts could be processed. The acid
    extract would have to be boiled down from several litres
    to a few hundred mills, then filtered, and this process could
    destroy the alkaloid. Comments on this method would be welcomed.

    My references tell me that N-methyl tryptamine is most likely inactive
    at these doses. Does anyone have any information regarding the
    physical and psychological effects of this compound? Also any
    information regarding the hazards of DMT use would be appreciated.


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    Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:35:29 EDT
    From: anonymous
    Subject: Extracting alkaloids from Psilocybe

    Extraction Instructions for obtaining Psilocin and Psilocybin from
    Psilocybe or Panaeolus.

    I have not tried this method; it is taken from the classic volume
    (in French) and based on that used by Albert Hofmann.
    Le Genre Panaeolus: Essai taxinomique et physiologique
    par Gyorgy Miklos OLA'H
    Laboratoire De Cryptogamie du Museum National D'histoire Naturelle
    12, rue de Buffon, Paris.
    Memoire hors-series No 10, 1970.
    Page 97.

    Dry the mushrooms.
    - This important step is most likely to cause the greatest
    loss of yield depending on how it is done.
    Crush or grind the dried carpophores or mycelium to a powder.

    Shake and allow to stand (e.g. 30 mins) in chloroform. Use maybe
    twice the dry weight in solvents at every step, or enough to
    well cover the powder.

    Filter and discard the chloroform.

    SHake the reidue and allow to stand with acetone.

    Filter and discard the acetone.

    Shake residue and allow to stand with methanol.
    Filter.
    Shake residue and allow to stand with methanol.
    Filter.
    Shake residue and allow to stand with methanol.
    Filter.

    Discard residue.
    Combine methanol extracts.

    Evaporate methanol to dryness, preferably in a vacuum, although
    low heat will do.
    This will yield a crude extract containing the active tryptamines,
    suitable for most purposes.
    This can be further chromatographed on cellulose etc. to give pure
    psilocin and psilocybin. The recommended solvents are
    n-Butanol saturated with water, and n-butanol:acetic acid:water
    (24:10:10). Anyone wishing to do chromatography should check
    the relevant texts for more detailed instructions.


    Contact me if you want further information - I may even be able
    to supply it.


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    Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 11:20:09 EDT
    From: anonymous
    Subject: Myristicin and Safrol from Nutmeg / LSA from HBWR

    >can you use an acid-base extraction for getting myristicin from
    >nutmeg or LSA from HBWR? (i.e. are either of those two chemicals both
    >polar soluble and soluble in acidic solution but not basic and
    >whatever the other condition was...)

    Ok: the former I have tried. The latter I haven't but hope
    to soon. Neither of these is really suitable for the kind
    of alkaloid extraction I have discussed before. In the
    former case, the allyl-benzenes are not alkaloids (as
    you should have realised). In the latter, the compounds
    are water soluble to some extent in the basic form, how
    much so, I don't know. If you look at the method I
    gave for psilocin, you will see it is different from
    that for mescaline and DMT. I got the psilocin recipe
    from an old book. II would have to go back to the original
    literature to make a proper recipe for LSA extraction.
    If you'd like to grab the reference for me (someone at
    Leri is sure to know) then I will go back and check it out;
    the Hoffmann stuff where they first tested obliquhui (sp?).
    TO purify myrsiticin/elemicin/safrole from nutmeg, is
    a tricky process, but not impossible. The shot would
    be to soxhlet extract the oil from a few kilos of
    nutmegs, strip the solvent (pref. under vacuum)
    perhaps filter/press the oil at room temperature
    to remove the nutmeg fats (myristic acid and glycerides)
    Then fractionally distill at reduced pressure to obtain
    the correct fraction. The boiling temperature of these
    components might be a bit over a hundred degrees in
    a strong vacuum. This you could calculate from the
    Clapeyron equation (or a simplified Antione equation)
    and a knowledge of the distillation pressure and the
    boiling points of the compounds at two pressures either
    side of your distillation pressure. I did this using data
    from the Handbook of Physics and Chemistry. The equation
    to use is of the form ln(P/P*) = A/T + B (T in Kelvin).
    This process is quite a tricky one,
    and one which I would not be confident of performing
    succesfully myself. Double distilling would almost
    certainly be necessary to remove the last of the
    impurities.
    If I were to try to purify LSA from HBWR, my first
    instinct would be to grind it, soak or soxhlet (since
    the volume would be small enough to use the reflux
    equipment I have) with methanol, filter, strip the methanol,
    and consume. To go further, without accurate knowledge of
    the substance and its pH/solubility behaviour, would
    be tricky. Chromatography (e.g. TLC) may well be the
    required next step.

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    Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 21:34:20 EDT
    From: anonymous
    Subject: Re: Extracting LSA from HBWR

    Concerning the extraction and purification of LSA from HB**,
    The alkaloids are more polar than e.g. DMT or mescaline, and are
    probably water soluble to some extent. Thus, while a crude extraction
    can be performed with methanol, the next stage of purification may
    not be very good. Thus the general extraction method for alkaloids
    is quite possibly not applicable here. That is why I want to have a look
    at exactly what the original method was, although the journal seems
    obscure to say the least. Another day in the Chem Abs section, I
    fear.


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    From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
    Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 15:41:10 GMT
    Newsgroups: alt.drugs
    Subject: Re: LSA

    In article <1992Sep22.034310.22075@u.washington.edu> lamont@hyperreal.com
    ington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
    >>[is] there ... a relatively straightforward proceedure to extract the
    >>LSD and get it in a reasonably pure and consumable form?
    >
    >Yup. In a nutshell, you mix the HWBR powder in a nonpolar solvent, keep the
    >resultant gunk(I) and throw away the solution. Then dissolve the gunk(I)
    >into a polar solvent, throw away the new gunk(II) and evaporate the solution.
    >The final gunk (III) that comes out of the solution has LSA in it.
    >
    > gunk(I) = gunk(II) + gunk(III)
    > gunk(III) is the good stuff
    > gunk(II) is not
    > gunk(I+III) are therefore kept
    >
    >nonpolar solvent = petroleum ether
    >polar solvent = alcohol (methanol is better, but is a smidgin poisinous
    > so you've got to be damn sure its all evaporated).
    >
    >I don't have time to give a more detailed explanation than that right
    >now.

    For the layman: nonpolar solvent also = Zippo lighter fluid.

    St. Anthony

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    From: pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire)
    Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 19:53:02 GMT
    Subject: BETA-CARBOLINES

    >>Has anyone had a GOOD experience from moderate/large dosages of Syrian
    >>Rue seeds? Was the nausea because of the harmaline, or due to other things in
    >>the seeds?
    >
    >How did you prepare the seeds? Did you boil them and drink the extract?

    O.K., for all the poor souls who had to ingest those horrible
    seeds, here is an extraction than I think anyone on this newsgroup can
    do in their kitchen without blowing themselves up.

    From "The Alkaloids" Vol. II by Manske (p393). Printed without
    permission.

    ISOLATION OF HARMINE AND HARMALINE

    "The crushed seeds of Peganum Harmala are covered with three times
    their weight of water containing 30 g of acetic acid per liter of
    water [white vinegar is about 50g / l or 5 %]. The seeds swell as they
    absorb the liquid and form a thick dough which is pressed after 2-3
    days. The pressed seeds are once more treated as above with twice
    their weight of dilute acetic acid and, after maceration, the liquid is
    again pressed out. To the combined liquors, sodium chloride [that's
    table salt, man] (100g. / liter of liquid) is added to transform the
    acetates of harmine and harmaline into the hydrochlorides which are
    insoluble in cold sodium chloride solutions and are precipitated
    during cooling. The supernatant liquid is siphoned off, the
    crystalline residue filtered with suction and redissolved in hot
    water. Addition of sodium chloride to the filtered solution causes the
    precipitation of the hydrochlorides as a crystalline mush and this
    process is repeated until the hydrochlorides have acquired a yellow
    color (for the purposes of this newsgroup, once is enough). The final
    product is then recovered by filtration."

    The paper then goes on to describe the separation of harmine from
    harmaline, but this procedure is slightly more complicated and not
    necessary for most purposes.


    Pierre St Hilaire
    MIT Media Lab

    P.S. While this procedure is legal in the U.S. (where harmine and
    harmaline are currently unscheduled), it is illegal in Canada where
    harmine and harmaline are Schedule I.

    These are extremely potent alkaloids. Misuse of them can result in
    serious, even fatal, consequences. Read the FAQ about MAO inhibitors.

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    Extraction of Salvinorins from Salvia Divinorum

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    The original extraction of Salvinorin A from salvia divinorum leaves - partitioning of a crude extract between acetone and hexane - has been greatly developed/enhanced.
    This is an extraction procedure from Gartz' book 'Salvia divinorum - Die Wahrsagesalbei' (2001):
    10 g of dried and pulverized leaves are stirred for 3 h with 220 mL diethyl ether, and after filtration the plant material is washed twice with 50 mL of the same solvent. These extracts are united and the solvent evaporated. You will get 250 - 300 mg of a 10% preparation with a greenish colour [ie. wax/tar]. The greenish mass is stirred with 15 mL of petroleum ether (bp 50 - 60°C) for 24 h. After filtration and washing with 5 mL petroleum ether, the residue is dried and the solvent disgarded. The residue is now solved in 3 mL absolute ethanol by shortly heating in the waterbath to 60 °C. After cooling down to 30 °C, 1 mL of acetone is added and all is cooled down to 0 °C. After 12h at 0 °C filter off and dry. A second analogue precipitation from alcohol with acetone leads to a pure compound with a melting point of 240 °C. Yield: about 20 mg (0.2%)
    Although vastly improved over the original, this procedure is still lacking, and not too efficient. Below is a method developed by amateur chemists working together over the internet. This method was initially kept semi-secret, for fears that Salvia would become prohibited. As this now seems to be inevitable in all 'civilised' countries, I see no reason not to distribute this procedure for use in the WoDaRE (War On Drugs And Religious Experience):
    Experimental

    100 g whole dried leaves are put into a 5 L bottle and left in a fridge for 6 h. At the same time, two bottles each containing 1 L food-grade anhydrous acetone are chilled to a temp. of -6 C in a freezer. The bottle of leaves is removed from the fridge and immediately one of the portions of chilled acetone is added. The bottle is capped and vigorously shaken for 150 s. The solvent is then decanted and filtered. The second bottle of chilled acetone is removed from the freezer and its contents added to the bottle of leaves. The vigorous shaking is repeated for another 120 s; the solvent is then decanted, filtered, and combined with the first extraction to give just under 2 L of a clear pale green liquid. The solvent is removed by distillation (can be recycled) to give 290 mg of green (traces of chlorophyll) crystals. Recrystallisation from a small volume of boiling IPA gives 260 mg beautiful white xtals.
    Notes
    1. Obviously, the yield of Salvinorin will depend on the potency of the leaf used for extraction.
    2. Leaves that are brown seem to contain the same concentration of Salvinorin as green leaves, but do not contain chlorophyll which is readily soluble in acetone and causes the green colouration of the crystals. Fresh leaves can be made into brown leaves by freezing, thawing, and leaving to dry in a warm place.
    3. I have noticed that if after the first acetone extraction, the leaves are left for any length of time, tars and chlorophylls, etc. are extracted from the plant cells by the residual acetone, and are instantly dissolved by the solvent of the second extraction resulting in a waxy non-crystalline product (albeit much less waxy than simple methanol extraction). Therefore the second volume of acetone should be added as soon as the first has been decanted.
    4. The solution should be ASAP after extraction; Salvinorin A will decompose if left in solution in acetone and only waxy extracts will be produced if the solution is left to stand for more than a day or so.
    5. It seems that there is always a deposition of a minute amount of a brown-white substance (fats? tannins? conglomerated leaf particles?) in the distillation flask after distillation. This substance seems to precipitate out as the solvent is distilled, and after distillation it is not soluble in acetone, unlike Salvinorin A, which is.
    6. Recrystallisation is not really necessary; the greenish crystals are of sufficient purity to make them easily suitable for making standardised extracts or for vaporization.
    7. Some of the extracted leaf can be further extracted with methanol to remove all chlorophyll, tars, etc. and dried to give a very 'clean' extract.
    8. The times for shaking the solvent with the leaves are the ones I have found to be most effective. They are not fixed; experiment is king.
    9. Acetonitrile is also an interesting solvent.
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