Kratom extraction

[o0AlKeMiSt0o]

I recently got some Kratom (Malaysian) for the first time. Did a tea with my friend last weekend and had a blast (4g each).

I've been playing with this plant and I decided to post this extraction procedure since there seems to be to a lack of them on the net.

The tek:

Grind 10g of Kratom a semi-fine powder.
Boil thrice in distilled white vinegar (5%) for 10-15min and filter.
Evaporate the vinegar slowly.
Add about 100ml of white vodka/rum (37.5% vol) and dilute the extract.

That's it.

Obviously you can change the amounts to suit your own requirements.

I have included two pictures of the final rum extract. The first one after pouring it into the bottle, the second after it settled down. You can see the alkaloids precipitating down the bottom (poor water solubility). Seems it worked pretty well.

Note the crystals look greyish to the eye but they came out different in the pictures.

Will be testing it soon and I'll let you know how it goes

[Nunyabiz]

Curiousity.. Did this work?

[camMyco]

Originally Posted by o0AlKeMiSt0o

Will be testing it soon and I'll let you know how it goes

Maybe the test did not come out so well....

This was their last post.

[golly]

Mebbe it was too acidic.. If evapouration concentrates the vinegars acetic acid...

[o0AlKeMiSt0o]

Originally Posted by camMyco

Maybe the test did not come out so well....

This was their last post.

I've been so busy lately I didn't even have time to check this thread.

It worked great!. No ill effects (with low doses).

I think is a good idea if one wants to filter, evaporate, etc and obtain a concentrated powder extract, otherwise making a tea is a lot quicker and easier.

[procell]

Originally Posted by o0AlKeMiSt0o

The tek:
Grind 10g of Kratom a semi-fine powder.
Boil thrice in distilled white vinegar (5%) for 10-15min and filter.
Evaporate the vinegar slowly.
Add about 100ml of white vodka/rum (37.5% vol) and dilute the extract.

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Do you need so much acid?
We just make a tea with lime juice and water and simmer down to the desired thickness, then add some sugar.
One can add alcohol to the simmer but it has not been tested at this point.

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[the_chosen_one]

Originally Posted by golly

Mebbe it was too acidic.. If evapouration concentrates the vinegars acetic acid...

it would be interesting to see the results of a full vinegar evap, without adding the alcohol. i bet it would leave the extract a bit unpalatable, much like vitamin C.

ime, alchohol mixtures seem to produce a slightly more potent product, but water acidified with roses lime juice seems to evaporate better than alcohol mixtures.. vodka etc. at least for making powder. the extract itself seems to have a different texture compared to an alcohol extract and dries to a powder form faster. heh, strange.. one would think it would be the other way around.

there was a point to the second paragraph.. but now i can't remember what it was..

[o0AlKeMiSt0o]

You should fully evaporate the vinegar when doing this extraction...

Originally Posted by o0AlKeMiSt0o

Evaporate the vinegar slowly.

With regards to the amount of vinegar, mitragynine is soluble in alcohol, chloroform and acetic acid. Not really soluble in water, although other of Kratom's alkaloids may well be. So you don't want to dilute the vinegar any further.

Also white vinegar is easy to obtain, cheap and does the job (although it stinks a little)

[procell]

Originally Posted by o0AlKeMiSt0o

mitragynine is soluble in alcohol, chloroform and acetic acid. Not really soluble in water.

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So the water tea that we've been making doesn't work?
The difference between eating the herb and drinking the tea is negligible.
I don't buy it.

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[o0AlKeMiSt0o]

Well, I don't sell it either

[procell]

Originally Posted by o0AlKeMiSt0o

Well, I don't sell it either
mitragynine is soluble in alcohol, chloroform and acetic acid. Not really soluble in water,

I believe you are trying to "sell" the point that Mitragynine is not water soluble. I dispute that point, if it is not water soluble then how does tea work?

[o0AlKeMiSt0o]

Do some research

[the_chosen_one]

i found some interesting info regarding vinegar and alcohol extracts in Richo Cech's book.. Making Plant Medicine. it's a lot to re-type, but i'll try and post an image of the pages as soon as i can.. may take a few days.

one part of special interest is the mention of vinegar/alcohol combination solvents. the combination of the two solvents does a better job of extracting than either one alone.

very good book!

[golly]

Ya..Would like to see that TC....

[o0AlKeMiSt0o]

That sounds interesting and the book looks interesting too.

Looking forward to seeing those pics in the future.

[procell]

Originally Posted by o0AlKeMiSt0o

Do some research

I have done my research but obviously you have some deeper knowledge that you feel is beyond you to share with common mortals.
Just answer the question, if it is not water soluble then how does tea work?

Adj. 1. water-soluble - soluble in water
soluble - (of a substance) capable of being dissolved in some solvent (usually water)

So if it comes out of the leaf while making tea then it's water soluble.
The leaf is thrown away since it no longer has any useful substance.

[o0AlKeMiSt0o]

Originally Posted by procell

I have done my research

You obviously have not.

Originally Posted by procell

I believe you are trying to "sell" the point that Mitragynine is not water soluble.

Not me, the Merck Index. And they don't "sell" it, is a fact.

Originally Posted by procell

if it is not water soluble then how does tea work?

The tea is theoreticaly still effective because another alkaloid (7-HO-Mitragynine) which is now believed to be the main active alkaloid in Kratom leaves.

Also, I don't dispute the fact that the tea works:

Originally Posted by o0AlKeMiSt0o

otherwise making a tea is a lot quicker and easier.

Originally Posted by procell

but obviously you have some deeper knowledge that you feel is beyond you to share with common mortals.

I am happy to share my knowledge whith everyone (hence this thread) but I find you quite irritating.

I wasn't going to answer your questions/interrogation because I don't have to, but then I thought this may keep you quiet for a while (if that is possible).

By the way:

Noun. 1. Google: pretty good search engine anyone can use.

[procell]

Originally Posted by o0AlKeMiSt0o

The tea is theoreticaly still effective because another alkaloid (7-HO-Mitragynine) which is now believed to be the main active alkaloid in Kratom leaves.

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So if you would have said that in the first place you wouldn't have had to been so rude.

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[the_chosen_one]

[golly]

Thnx TC ..Did some extractions myself with the alcohol/acid combo ..
I really couldn't tell the difference in effect, between that and the acid extract alone..

I prefer the kratom without alcohol as it's often a morning treat..
The alcohol/acid combo would be good for longer term preservation though...

[procell]

Originally Posted by the_chosen_one

Look what I can do!

Wow, that rocks.
Totally readable

Originally Posted by golly

I really couldn't tell the difference in effect, between that and the acid extract alone..

Any luck with the samples ?

[o0AlKeMiSt0o]

I think the combination of vinegar and alcohol is likely to be more effective if the alkaloid is more soluble in it when in salt form.

Also I think this would be only useful when macerating at room temp. since applying heat would evaporate the alcohol...

Thanks for the scans TCO!