Isopropyl DMT extraction

[Psilo-somatic]

I know this is not the recommended method to extract DMT, but I thought if plausible this would be a very easy, cheap extraction method.

SWIM had originally ordered a quantity of Yopo seeds for traditional insufflation, but did not enjoy this method. It was determined that an extraction would be attempted. Two extractions were done in order to compare calcinized vs. non.
#1. 20 seeds were powdered, then calcinized using edible lime before adding 30ml of 91% Isopropyl alcohol.
#2. The second was the same except without the edible lime.
#1 darkened much more quickly, with #2 never catching up in color.
Both were left 48 hours to soak and settle, then the alcohol removed via a large syringe and 30ml more Iso. added for another 24 hrs to remove most of the left over alkaloids.
#1 is almost dry. This extraction seems very good. A small amount of light tan resin was left, looking very clean and with that lovely signature smell.

A test has not yet been done, but I will catch everyone up with a potency comparison when the second is finished.

Any questions or criticisms until that happens will be great. I know this does not remove any of the fats, but since peregrina seeds are small (in reletivity to other plant sources) and have little pigmentation it seems to be very good method.
Thanks alot guys!

[Psilo-somatic]

Extraction #1 turned out very potent. Right up to par with my toad venom.
I should know about the second tonight.
I'm very excited as this is the cheapest and easiest methond i've been able to find period (I've bee doin this a while), not to mention if done properly is just as good as any acid/base.
The fact that you can vaporize an equal amout of this as you would toad venom and get the same or maybe even better effects (diffrent alkaloids i guess) is a definite indication of its potency.

[thomash]

have you tried the alcohol extraction on mimosa? would be interesting to know if the extract would be potent enough to smoke. mimosa has a much higher nn-dmt content.

[Psilo-somatic]

I have not, but plan to in the near future. thanks alot for the advice man

[carl]

keep us posted! sounds simple enough, will probably give this a try, how much lime was used and does it seem reasonable that 99% ISO would probably do a better job?

[Caljet666]

What does your extract look like?

[catfish]

psilo
what you are doing is essentially a "dry A/B"
if you are not using water at all
congrats!
[edit]i reread and saw that you are using 91%
go for the 99% it should work even better

[anthonee]

Sounds awesome!

Could you possibly post pics of your extract? I would like to know how this looks also?

Also, how was the 2nd 'non-cal' extract?

SWIM is very interested in this, thanks for posting.

As always, good vibes
~nee

[lysergic]

Very intriguing...it would be interesting to attempt it side by side with mhrb and a a/b or stb.

[Psilo-somatic]

I agree lysergic. I would like to compare potency and see which one was the most potent vs. most cost effective. You know, If one is slightly less potent but lots cheaper, then that may be the best option (from what i've seen, mhrb seems much more expensive by ratio).

I was thinking that the water may be beneficial in some way, but that was just a guess. This was really an experiment to see how well it worked with $2 ISO from the grocery store. Where could i find the 99% ISO and what is the other 1%? I know ISO is safe, but am leary of other chems that may not evap as cleanly.

I didnt use as much lime as would normally be used for insufflation. possibly at a ratio of 1:6 to 1:8 or so. Keep in mind this should be basified before adding the ISO. I am not sure what would happen if you just threw everything in the alcohol. anyone know if it would still form calcium bufotenate (sp)?

Also, I was wondering what would be better to smoke (vaporize), and what would be better to take buccally (which i havent tried yet).

I was also wondering, if i do not calcinize the DMT is that considered free-base? (sorry if some of these questios are stupid; despite my thorough experience with tryptamines as well as various other hallucinogens and extractions, which are my bread and butter, I am not as experienced with DMT)

And yes, I'll post a pic of the non calcinized extract tonight when im done drying it.

Thanks alot for the responses guys!

[catfish]

adding the calcium oxide (lime) freebases the dmt
from the organic acids which are present in the rb
the 1% is water
since ipa is not potable
theres no need to denature it
like with ethanol
ive turned 70% ipa into 90%+ ipa by shaking the alky with salt (NaCl) and pouring off the top layer
99% can be had at pharmacies
i know not many real pharmacies left
a compounding pharmacy
(one that mixes custom doses and administration routes)
will definitely have it
i cant say and wont speculate as to the cleanliness of hardware store
ipa-by-the-gallon

[Psilo-somatic]

Thank you catfish. I think I read some unreliable material
Unfortunately in my area the only compounding pharmacy is an animal specialist supply store. How do you think the purity of that would be?
I know the pills and stuff are ok. Used to get loads of doggie Phenobarb.

How do you think the NaCl method would work on the 91%. Think it would do any good? You dont think it would negatively affect the extraction if theres some left over salt?

[catfish]

the iso floats on top of the brine
you just have to decant the iso off the top
it will be clear
and the brine layer all murky
not sure how much water one could extract out
91 is wayy beter than 70
you could try it with the 91 but dont evedo the salt add a bit shake
unitil when you adda little more the crytals dont dissolve

[Psilo-somatic]

Doing some more research catfish, i have actually found that the lime converts the bufotonin in the peregrina seeds to calcium bufotenate, the calcium salt of the molecule, which is much preferred (usually) over the freebase form or hyrdochloric salts due to the absence of any nausea or stomach discomfort.

When i tried insufflation of traditional yopo, vomit,,,suffocate,,,,vomit,,,hyperventilate,,,,and so on. very unpleasant. Though when this extract is smoked there are none of the unpleasant side effects.

If anyone knows the answer to this it would be a great help:
During my original extraction, the ground seeds were moistened, kneaded with the lime, and then the iso added.
Now the question is, If i just add seed material and lime to the iso, would calcium bufotenate still form?

[carl]

my guess would be yes , probably enough moisture in the ISO to do the trick. have you thought about this type of extraction on phalaris grass that has been run thru a wheatgrass juicer? just a thought , keep up the good work bro!

[Psilo-somatic]

I have not, carl, but that is going to be one of my near future experiments

[Back bone]

or should i just use the seeds? www.BouncingBearBotanicals.com sell Alchornea floribunda Iporu...which apparently is potent...

[Back bone]

what i meant to say was, do you think any other ayahusca product would work. or should the seeds just be used? and smoking it would be ok right. i dont see why not. i would probably use a vaporizer