smoking mhrb + maoi without a/b extraction

[thomash]

a foaf has a 10x extract of peganum harmala seeds.

according to zaphod and gracie you can get a breakthrough experience from 15mg of dmt if you smoke a maoi inhibitor first.

if we assume that mhrb has a low amount of 0.5% dmt then he would have to smoke 3 grams to get 15mg of dmt. that's infeasible. but wouldn't a water or vinegar/acid boil yield all the alcaloids whilst discarding most of the plant matter? how much can you expect to discard? is it likely that you should be able to get the material down to an easily smokable amount if combined with smoking a maoi?

my friend has been having trouble with full extractions recently and was wondering if it could be possible this way. he is also thinking that all the extra potent alcaloids that have been observed in jungle spice would also still be present and possibly add to the experience.

any opinions?

[Sinewave]

I can't imagine smoking almost an 8th of bark being a very pleasant situation to have on your lungs and throat going into a DMT trip. You're not just smoking alkaloids, but also tannins, and who knows what else, but mainly carcinogens.

[thomash]

yes but i'm talking about doing a water or acid extraction before. i'm wondering how much that will reduce the amount one has to smoke. if it's by a factor of 10x then it should be smokeable. also a cold water extract is supposed to be able to get the dmt without the tannins i read somewhere

[LotRev]

It would be very difficult to extract from only 3 grams
of bark.

If you are using more, and following a tek, then sure, you
could try a small amount with the MAOI, seems like it would
be quite intense. I would see what some others experienced.

[Delafonze19]

Dude, you think a real extraction is hard you have to be a miracle worker to yeild 15mg out of 3Gs. By a pound. I will not be so hard or just drink the juice, it will work fine if you're maoi-ed

[Sinewave]

Originally Posted by Delafonze19

By a pound.

QFT.

[thomash]

sorry guys maybe i'm not explaining myself well.

i'm talking about trying to make an extract that is about 10x just using water or water+acid. that would mean one would only have to smoke 300mgs of material + maoi beforehand. that seems manageable.

i don't mean just doing an extract 3 grams.
it can be an extract of 30 or a 100 grams the point is that the equivalent of 3 grams original material needs to be smoked to get 15 mgs of dmt if we're assuming the material has .5% dmt.

[Entropymancer]

Just doing a simple extraction (ie Noman's or Marsofolds) will be a million times easier than the strange alchemy you're trying to accomplish.

If you're interested in smoked DMT/MAOI combo, then just extract some harmine and/or harmaline (EASY Harmaloid Freebase TEK, Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue), and smoke that before smoking your spice.

[thomash]

entropymancer:
that's exactly what i mean just instead of an acid/base extraction just doing a simple water extraction.

the idea is that smoking the maoi beforehand could potentiate the dmt enough that a simple water extract could suffice.

a foaf is doing a water extract and letting the water evaporate off in the next few days and will report back with results.

[August West]

Originally Posted by thomash

according to zaphod and gracie you can get a breakthrough experience from 15mg of dmt if you smoke a maoi inhibitor first.

I think Zarkov and Gracie came up with this info...?
Credit where credit is due imho.

[Entropymancer]

I understand what you're saying, but a crude water extract is going to be loaded with tannins. That's not going to be pleasant to smoke.

There are some incredibly easy reliable teks out there, I just don't see why you want to put roughly the same effort into smoking a waxy tannin containing DMT, versus just extracting some nice spice.