A/B Spice Extraction

Doctor D · 03-25-08, 14:52

I'm doing an acid/base spice extraction. I've noticed that the older teks instruct you to bring the acidic solution down to pH 2, while others say pH 4. Does anyone know the reason for this? Was it determined that it was unnecessary to bring the pH down to 2; that pH 4 worked equally as well?

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I've also heard several people mention that mimosa hostilis root bark is sufficiently acidic in itself that you can extract the spice out of the bark using only distilled water in your acid phase. Can anyone confirm this? Sadly, the person I heard this from directly is no longer a Mycotopiate, but another 'Topiate, cheech, also mentions it in this thread:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/dmt-spic...tml#post312234 (marsofold DMT tek questions [merged])

Caljet666 · 03-25-08, 17:36

Yes the alkaloids will be acidic so you could get them with plain water but making the water acidic will make the process more efficient. When swim does his he doesn't measure pH, just uses one part vinegar to three parts water for all acidic extraction steps and it works a treat.

Defiance · 03-25-08, 17:45

AFAIK DMT must exist in a water soluble form in MHRB because people have been doing water extractions on it for a long, long time.

Are you planning on turning the spice back into freebase before evaporating? DMT HCl isn't much fun to work with. Not even Shulgin could get it to crystallize and the best I ever did was a gummy paste, it's pretty hygroscopic.

Omnis Vorum Dux FFF · 04-04-08, 16:24

foaf always uses hcl down to 2 or lower its faster 4 is fine if you let it sit for awhile(7 to 14 days). foaf uses heat bath as well from additon to defat.

slaphappyjacko · 04-05-08, 15:10

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Originally Posted by Doctor D

...I've also heard several people mention that mimosa hostilis root bark is sufficiently acidic in itself that you can extract the spice out of the bark using only distilled water in your acid phase...

It is worth mentioning that, contrary to popular belief, distilled water is acidic (due to ambient CO2 reacting with the water). The last time I tested distilled water (from a store bought gallon) it had a pH of ~5.5. This varies, but unless you are taking it straight from the distillation apparatus the water will not have a neutral pH (7).

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03-25-08, 14:52	#1 (permalink)
Doctor D (Not a real doctor) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,235	A/B Spice Extraction I'm doing an acid/base spice extraction. I've noticed that the older teks instruct you to bring the acidic solution down to pH 2, while others say pH 4. Does anyone know the reason for this? Was it determined that it was unnecessary to bring the pH down to 2; that pH 4 worked equally as well? Mycotopia Web Archive: DMT extraction I've also heard several people mention that mimosa hostilis root bark is sufficiently acidic in itself that you can extract the spice out of the bark using only distilled water in your acid phase. Can anyone confirm this? Sadly, the person I heard this from directly is no longer a Mycotopiate, but another 'Topiate, cheech, also mentions it in this thread: http://forums.mycotopia.net/dmt-spic...tml#post312234 (marsofold DMT tek questions [merged])

03-25-08, 17:36	#2 (permalink)
Caljet666 Dumbass Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 352	Yes the alkaloids will be acidic so you could get them with plain water but making the water acidic will make the process more efficient. When swim does his he doesn't measure pH, just uses one part vinegar to three parts water for all acidic extraction steps and it works a treat. __________________ ?

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03-25-08, 17:45	#3 (permalink)
Defiance Trainee Trading allowed Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 272	AFAIK DMT must exist in a water soluble form in MHRB because people have been doing water extractions on it for a long, long time. Are you planning on turning the spice back into freebase before evaporating? DMT HCl isn't much fun to work with. Not even Shulgin could get it to crystallize and the best I ever did was a gummy paste, it's pretty hygroscopic.

04-04-08, 16:24	#4 (permalink)
Omnis Vorum Dux FFF Former Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 21	foaf always uses hcl down to 2 or lower its faster 4 is fine if you let it sit for awhile(7 to 14 days). foaf uses heat bath as well from additon to defat.