Kratom & More! - Page 2

flowmytoe · 05-30-08, 03:40

[quote=Shadowlord;535616]Well, Let's see how the Kratom feels. I ordered 3.5g of the 54% extract from KT. I only hope there is no real bad hangover to it as someone suggested at Erowid. WOuldn't want my cat to feel crappy after taking it.

I never had anything like a hangover from Kratom, rather the opposite. Next day I wake up feeling well rested.

billybee · 05-30-08, 04:41

Hey shadowlord,,Ive heard good things about KT's 54% kratom extract. If I were you ,I would just put it in capsules.
Id be careful ,,every time my cat gets some kratom extract or the enhanced blends he always over dose it ,,,,pukes it up.

Also,,just so everyone knows,, the indian warrior is great,, but its no mj substitute. Its a good sedative and kills my cats minor anxiety.
I made a big cup of tea today and used 5 grams. My cat says it produced a nice sense of well being and made him kinda of tired.
(which is good ,,cause my cat has a hard time sleeping.)

billybee

Shadowlord · 05-30-08, 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybee

Hey shadowlord,,Ive heard good things about KT's 54% kratom extract. If I were you ,I would just put it in capsules.
Id be careful ,,every time my cat gets some kratom extract or the enhanced blends he always over dose it ,,,,pukes it up.

Also,,just so everyone knows,, the indian warrior is great,, but its no mj substitute. Its a good sedative and kills my cats minor anxiety.
I made a big cup of tea today and used 5 grams. My cat says it produced a nice sense of well being and made him kinda of tired.
(which is good ,,cause my cat has a hard time sleeping.)

billybee

I'll be sure to take it slow and easy w/ the Kratom then. Wouldn't want to waste it all in the toilet!
And as for the I. Warrior, I hope it is a little different than MJ. While I love my MJ, I grow good enough that I don't need more, I was thinking it might be interesting to try and as long as I was ordering the Kratom I'd give the I.Warrior a shot since Tyler just got some in fresh. The price is low enough to make it worth trying.

tyler · 05-30-08, 15:52

Billybee, I think your cat would make the pedicularis last much longer and get a better effect out of it if only your cat could operate a lighter and pyrolate the material =) Give it a shot.

billybee · 05-30-08, 17:04

Well ,,I got my may nights plant and the pain formula today and also I got more indian warrior.So Im back to trying to to make an indian warrior 5x extract fused on mullein.Its just about done ,,maybe an hour or two left of drying.I found a candle warmer that heats up to a good temp and is speeding up the drying process very nicely.
If this turns out to my cats liking, Ill be doing this again on a larger scale . (I will keep yall updated.)
Anyway,,thank you again tyler for running such a top notch botanical shop.All other vendors could learn a thing or two from you.
much love,
billybee

Chaos · 05-31-08, 03:21

Well I bought
Mitragyna Speciosa (Kratom)

Weight - 114 grams foliage - Thailand
Form - Powdered

And I was not pleased. I started with 4 grams nothing. Then 6 grams two days later,nothing. Waited a week then ate 8 grams on a empty stomach, nothing. What is the "best" way to make a strong extract?
CHAOS

JohnQShroomer · 05-31-08, 04:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos

Well I bought

Mitragyna Speciosa (Kratom)

Weight - 114 grams foliage - Thailand
Form - Powdered

And I was not pleased. I started with 4 grams nothing. Then 6 grams two days later,nothing. Waited a week then ate 8 grams on a empty stomach, nothing. What is the "best" way to make a strong extract?
CHAOS

I know this doesn't help now but next time try Bali. I haven't been very impressed with the Thailand kratom either. I still have Thailand kratom left from my last kratom purchase because it doesn't seem to have an effect. If it was Bali, that shit would be gone. Bali is the cheapest but that doesn't mean its crap.

You might be better off making a strong tea with that Kratom you have left.

mydarling · 05-31-08, 04:38

i also have had no results with thai kratom... different vendor however. i will heed recommendations and try the bali next time

camMyco · 05-31-08, 08:02

My wie is a fan of the Thai, and I prefer the Bali. Different folks, different strokes. I hae noticed that I enjoy the Thai more if I sit and focus on the buzz, where Bali I am movving aroud doing whatever enjoying the buzz.

golly · 05-31-08, 08:18

There really is a wide variety of response to K with dif peeps..Some do respond much better to one type or another ,which is surprizing because the chem makeup isn't that
different..
To extract - Powder 100g into 1500ml acidified water ..Simmer 30 mins and strain thru a fine cloth...
Boil down to the consentration of your choice...A second pull will give additional but smaller goods [it's worth doing]...

camMyco · 05-31-08, 09:08

Thanks golly I'll give this a try and see how I like it v. 00 caps I currently take.

Chaos · 05-31-08, 09:20

Thanks !! I will boil it down right now.
CHAOS

the_chosen_one · 05-31-08, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTBotanicals

Billybee, I think your cat would make the pedicularis last much longer and get a better effect out of it if only your cat could operate a lighter and pyrolate the material =) Give it a shot.

my chickens are quite skilled at it. they agree. this stuff is pretty good as is and really burns nice. after a long discussion they have decided to attempt an extract using the older material.. which they say isn't bad either. the coop has spoken.

MycoChondria · 06-01-08, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_chosen_one

my chickens are quite skilled at it. they agree. this stuff is pretty good as is and really burns nice. after a long discussion they have decided to attempt an extract using the older material.. which they say isn't bad either. the coop has spoken.

My monkey just tried a few puffs of this and definitely is relaxed. She is pleased as punch with the bioassay results, and also loves the purply colors ;-)

Shadowlord · 06-01-08, 02:35

Glad to hear these good reports on the Indian Warrior since I should be getting mine in a few days. Hoping to have good results with the 54% extract of Kratom I got as well!

tyler · 06-01-08, 04:47

Regarding the Thai Kratom, I cannot discuss the consumption of this material, but let us bear in mind that the traditional dosage of this stuff is anywhere between 15g and 30g. Please read up on raw leaf traditional uses. Some strains, like the Bali and meang da are exceptionally strong. I would asume that Thai kratom potency would be consistent with the centuries old tradition of using 15g to 30g. Just my opinion though.

I'm glad everyone is comming to enjoy the pedicularis. Next season I will have an EXTRA special harvest for you =) I won't let the cat out of the bag, all the way yet, but pedicularis is a hemiparasitical plant, which draws alkaloids and other compounds from surrounding plants... and other things. To be continued... =)

flowmytoe · 06-01-08, 08:04

I'm listening.....

golly · 06-01-08, 08:28

Yikes...Don't mistake that 15-30 gram traditional dose for a good starting point with Kratom..
That dose level will make most new users horribly sick for many hours..
Start with 4-5 gram whole leaf equivelent [powdered] and take it from there....

the_chosen_one · 06-01-08, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTBotanicals

Regarding the Thai Kratom, I cannot discuss the consumption of this material, but let us bear in mind that the traditional dosage of this stuff is anywhere between 15g and 30g. Please read up on raw leaf traditional uses. Some strains, like the Bali and meang da are exceptionally strong. I would asume that Thai kratom potency would be consistent with the centuries old tradition of using 15g to 30g. Just my opinion though.
I'm glad everyone is comming to enjoy the pedicularis. Next season I will have an EXTRA special harvest for you =) I won't let the cat out of the bag, all the way yet, but pedicularis is a hemiparasitical plant, which draws alkaloids and other compounds from surrounding plants... and other things. To be continued... =)

right golly, that's a traditional dose from places that have been using it for years. my chickens are quite happy at 10-20g. and that's after some practice.

HA! i've been doing some reading regarding that feature of pedicularis. it's seems my chickens are drawing up some sort of plan on a white board.. but they won't let me near the coop

however, one hen did ask if these plants will ever become available because of that feature.

Chaos · 06-01-08, 12:48

Ah! apples and oranges. I have enjoyed bali and indo at those small doses. Now I know.
So I took 50 grams of thai and about 50 grams of leaf that came off my plant that I had been collecting. I did two extractions with acidic water and reduced to a nice goo. I let it reduce too much in the dish so I used some everclear to loosen it up, then set it on some papers to firm up. I have yet to weight it to figure a dose, but I hope to later today.
Thanks everyone
CHAOS

dice · 06-01-08, 17:21

I received some Bali Kratom yesterday wasnt sure what to expect really, but i must say im pleased. I had to order some more 2day.

golly · 06-01-08, 18:26

Cool..!
How do you plan to injest that tar Chaos...? Looks interesting..

Shadowlord · 06-05-08, 15:46

Well, I got my order from KT Botanicals on Tues. Ordered late Thurs night
, so the shipping was nice and prompt.
Haven't had much chance to evaluate the Indian Warrior. Since SWIM consumes so much cannabis it is hard to judge the effects.
As to the Kratom extract however;
I like the Kratom. Test subject found it mild and enjoyable and not all that bad tasting. Milk does indeed cover the flavor quite well.
I will almost certainly order more Kratom. I think I will order both the 54% extract and some of the 7% powder or leaf. The extract is very nice, but the powder will probably be easier to take in a tea. The extract went down a little chunky but certainly did what it is supposed to do.

Oh, Chosen One, You are right. It does indeed smell nice when smoked.

the_chosen_one · 06-05-08, 16:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowlord

Oh, Chosen One, You are right. It does indeed smell nice when smoked.

the coop just tested a 20x extract last night. unbelievable!

tyler · 06-05-08, 20:13

RED VEINED THAI NOW AVAILABLE!!
http://www.ktbotanicals.com/mitragyn...tom-p-112.html

The Red Veined Thai is a BIG step up from the green vein that has been previously available. Researchers who are interested in studying true red vein Thai will find this more than adequate for their studies!

Synaptolepis Kirkii
http://www.ktbotanicals.com/synaptol...pe-p-6988.html
I have also acquired a small quantity of Synaptolepis Kirkii, a rare African botanical which contains potent nuerotrophic compounds which force the production of nerve cells. This is fascinating stuff; a botanical that can actually promote the growth of new nerve cells! Traditionally used to produce clear, crisp visions while in trance- And recently discvoered to have potent nuerotrophic actiity!

Fresh Calamus Rhizomes
http://www.ktbotanicals.com/acorus-c...roots-p-1.html
I have a fresh Calamus harvest as well- nice fresh, unprocessed, juicy roots straight out of the ground! The drying process essentially destroys this plant's value as a medicinal, so I am happy to offer fresh material =)

TCO, what did you make a 20X of?!?!?! I feel left out of the loop lol

the_chosen_one · 06-05-08, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTBotanicals

TCO, what did you make a 20X of?!?!?! I feel left out of the loop lol

i've been meaning to e-mail you.. lol, been playing catch up the last few days

the coop used 20 grams of indian warrior, buds and veg. ended up with about 1 gram (maybe a little more) of some really really good extract. a few hits and the roosters were comatose

wow!

Shr00m · 06-05-08, 20:54

They are extremly fresh. I planted mine (looked dead) and this shot up!!!
Always around,
Alex

Shadowlord · 06-05-08, 22:55

Synaptolepis kirkii sounds very interesting indeed!
I will have to try that with my next order of Kratom.
KT, Do you have any Calea Zacatechichi in at the moment?
I am interested in studying that and some Blue Lotus/B.L. Extracts as well.
I was pleased w/ my Kratom extract from you and want to give you first shot at my business.

P.S. Hey Tyler, Is there any reason why 7g of 54% extract is $1.50 more than 2 orders of 3.5g? LOL. just wondering!
I put in for some of that Synaptolepis BTW!

Chaos · 06-07-08, 03:10

Well golly, I stuck it in the freezer then cut it into small squares, rolled them into small balls and downed a few with a glass of milk. I ended up with 8 grams of tar total from the extraction. I ate 2 grams with very little effect. That should have been about 25 grams dry. Of course I know that the extraction is not 100% efficient. I did experience a heightened mental awareness but not like the bali. From now on I will stick with the bali/PC as it has not let me down. Maybe I will eat 4 grams of tar next time?

golly · 06-07-08, 08:33

I wonder if those tarballs are passing thru undigested, because unless it was way overheated [above boiling point] they should be good..
This kinda defeats the purpose but if you re-dissolve in hot apple juice, then consume..
i think you would feel the goods..
I myself, never evap down that far because i enjoy the tea..The alkaloids are very stable up to the boiling point but beyond that they will oxidize at some point..

So the very final part of the evapouration would be the most likely point where damage could occur...That bubbling tar you see at the end, maybe as hot as boiling oil..

tyler · 06-07-08, 21:34

Alex, I'm glad to see that the rhizome produced such a beautiful live specimen so quickly. I harvested a bunch of mine, thinking that people would be interested in the live rhizome... not many takers lol, I am beginning to put them back into the ground. They are amazingly resiliant to abuse aren't they?!

Shadow, I absolutely have calea in stock. I will have live plants available in a few months. I sort of killed my larger specimens due to a lack of water during the high temps here =( But luckily, I have some babies that I grew from seed (not the recommended way to raise calea!) which will be healthy enough to ship out in the following months. "P.S. Hey Tyler, Is there any reason why 7g of 54% extract is $1.50 more than 2 orders of 3.5g? LOL. just wondering!
I put in for some of that Synaptolepis BTW!" - Bwahaha no! Lol jeez oh man, I will fix that ASAP! Thanks for letting me know.

TCO, I'm glad to hear that the extract went well ha! I'm seriously glad that you are really getting into botanicals. Producing extracts of plants is fascinating! Indian warrior is a good one to start with =)

Chaos · 06-07-08, 22:07

I am fairly sure I screwed this one up. I left the extract on a hot plate and forgot to turn it off while on a service call. DOH!
Thanks for all your help.
CHAOS

stormer88 · 06-08-08, 03:23

I'm not knocking KT Botanicals. but it seems in every ethno forum there is a thread labelled like this one with KT Botanicals in big letters and it's on the top of each forum indeffinatly. DO they pay people to keep bumping it to the top on a hourly basis? Or could there be sock puppets doing this??

No big deal. I've never tried their services. I have nothing bad or good to say about them. I don't use extracts. It would just seem this is to much of a coincidence for this thread to be in every ethno forum prominately on the top of every ethno forum out there and not even in the vendor section. It's constantly bumped to the top and given 4-5 stars as a must read. To me this seems like an advertising method. I just thought advertising was meant for the vendors forum. again I'm not knocking them. I've heard they have great service and if I ever do go for extracts I would definitely go through them.

Now that I think of it maybe there service is so good people just need to keep talking about them. Make sense. Sorry If I sounded down on this vendor. I just found it funny to see this thread in every ethno forum always at the top. They must be doing something right. I just wish they carried more live plants and more seeds. I'd like to find Rifat strain Kratom cuttings

JohnQShroomer · 06-08-08, 05:17

I'm not a member of any other forums. I am a member of Mycotopia, a customer of KT botanicals, and the person that started this thread. The thread was started simply because I had a question. It kept going because Tyler, the owner of KT botanicals, has been very helpful answering questions about his products. Thats all there is to it. And they DO pay to be advertised on here. Thats why they are called a sponsor.

tyler · 06-08-08, 07:11

Hi there Stormer. While I do sponsor this board, my customers are not paid, encouraged, or given ANY incentive whatsoever to post positive feedback about me or my company. Most of my praise comes from veteran members on the boards who have been around for a while and have absolutely no affiliations with me or my company. Looking around, I have the least posts of anyone here- I am a newcommer and no one here owes me a thing. If my customers are happy enough to start a thread about me on every board that you frequent... you have made my whole week Ha! I sponsor this board, and frequent entheogen.com, kratomandethnoz.com, and those are the only boards that I can realistically keep up with answering questions, posting research etc.. I am curious which other boards have me listed all over the place- I'd like to keep in touch with my customers and keep up with the community feedback on my product quality and customer service. 56% of my sales come from satisfied repeat customers-The point being that I do my very best to ensure that I provide not only the highest quality products at the lowest markup possible, but also the best customer service and reliable ethnobotanical knowledge that I can possibly provide. Customer satisfaction of the magnitude that I maintain simply cannot be attained through the most rigorous spamming or even the most intricate of advertising schemes. There is no replacement for customer satisfaction- Period- and this is a very old fashion way to run a successfull business in today's world of hype, schemes, and here today, gone tomorrow style businesses. I have over 5,000 customers world wide... I don't see much negative feedback being posted. Since my threads are continuously at the top of the list, people have just as much of a chance to post negative feedback as they do to praise me- Again, I don't see much of the former going on.

I began this company to fill a need in the ethnobotanical community. In a time of the Salvia frenzy, fueled by irrepsonsible, unscroupulous, profiteering vendors who view sacred botanicals as nothing more than a way to make a buck, I felt as though there was a serious need for a responsible, stand up vendors who contribute to the community and actually listen to and care about their customers needs. What I gathered from 8 years of following ethnobotanical boards was that the ethnobotanical community wanted a knowledgable vendor that they could talk to, who would answer their questions and respond to concerns- Accountability; legitimacy. The community wanted more obscure ethnobotanicals, more extracts, more medicinals, somone who was knowledgable and stayed on the cutting edge. They wanted all of this with low prices and excellent customer service. Therefore, I stepped in to attempt to fill the needs of the community, and while it is a ton of work, I am fulfilling this need to my customers' satisfaction. You can't knock a guy for that.

Sincerely,

Tyler
KT Botanicals

Shadowlord · 06-08-08, 13:28

This thread keeps getting bumped because a lot of us members have only recently discovered some of these substances and are asking questions about them. I'm glad it has been kicked about recently as I never heard of Kratom until I came to this site and I'm glad to have had the experience. Researching Kratom has also opened a whole new world of interesting plants and substances to study.

So, no. Nobody's drumming up business

, there's just a lot of business going on!

stormer88 · 06-08-08, 20:30

I didn't mean any disrespect to Kt Botanicals. I realize you must have allot of satisfied customers but as you say there are many disreputable vendors out there maybe i'm just skeptical in nature.

Since your interested in the forums with this thread I'm sure your already aware of them since you post in them also. EdotForum, KratomForum, Just to name a few.

Again I'm not knocking you. But as cynical as I am I guess I just thought a vendor with such high praise had to be to good to be true. I apologize for my negative sounding tone.

I've never tried any extracts but if you happen to come by Rifat strain Kratom since I already have the Thai Red Vein you offer. I'd for sure try you out also am looking for B caapii.

Good luck. Keep putting these dishonest vendors to shame.

procell · 06-08-08, 21:15

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dice · 06-08-08, 23:02

Service, Is just that good!

Glock22 · 06-09-08, 00:45

Yea You can even call Tyler the wrong name and he's still cool about it. I still feel dumb about that Tyler. Got all my stuff safe and sound letting my new plant have some air before i transplant.

Greg

procell · 06-13-08, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTBotanicals

As for Kratom seeds... they are really few and far between. I search my shipments frequently hoping that some seeds end up in there... nope. I did receive some seeds from a well known vendor, but they turned out to be Mitrigyna P. rather than speciosa. After exchanging emails back and forth, I was essentially told that I didn't know what I was talking about.

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The seeds from the pod that I got had a 0% germination rate so no info there.

Tyler, can you explain how to discern the difference between Speciosa & Mitrigyna parviflora?

The attached pic is one if the plants that i have received with 1 more on the way.
Does it look to be a Speciosa to you guys?

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BaconSquishy · 06-13-08, 19:22

hey guys, just recieved some of KT's 7% standardized kratom extract and was wondering what the dose would be, both orally and smoked?

fritshrooms · 06-13-08, 19:30

check here http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_dose.shtml

BaconSquishy · 06-13-08, 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by fritshrooms

check here http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_dose.shtml

so 50mgs? which would be equivilant to like 715mgs of 7%?

golly · 06-13-08, 22:24

I tried the 8% and it required about 3/4 of a level teaspoon for a dose. So that would be a starting point ..

procell · 06-14-08, 16:00

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Well, here's the second plant.
It does have Opposite branching but the viens don't seem as pronounced or as defined as the first.
No clue really, it looks like some pics that I have seen . . .

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procell · 06-15-08, 13:34

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Bumpity
Bump
Bump

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flowmytoe · 06-15-08, 14:56

yesterday I got my 250g of thai kratom from KTBotanicals and I just wanted to say THANKS!!!! The price was more than reasonable and the quality, judging by the grin on my face, is very good indeed!!
keep up the good work

JohnQShroomer · 06-16-08, 06:23

So after a couple of weeks of observing my lab rats in my lab I have some findings to report on the Indian Warrior I purchased from KT Botanicals. I observed that at first they were unsure of the Indian Warrior because of the taste and the fact that it made their other favorite MJ pipes taste like the Indian Warrior as well. From what I observed they didn't find the taste as pleasant as they hoped it would be although it was a rather smooth smoke for them and their little rat lungs. When the rats were expose to MJ and Indian Warrior, the Indian Warrior seemed to have little noticeable effect. I feel that maybe the MJ overpowered the Indian Warrior. After those experiments, the rats were exposed to just Indian Warrior in their own dedicated Indian Warrior pipe. From what I observed, they seemed to prefer this. The Indian Warrior started to have a more noticeable effect, especially after pyrolating several bowls. The also seemed to have developed an appreciation for the taste. Tonight the rats were exposed to a few milligrams of Klonopins and then pyrolated several bowls of the Indian Warrior. The two seemed to complement each other very well without excessive sedation. The rats were even feeling the urge to procreate although they were too tired to follow through. From my studies I've also noticed the effects on rats to last only 1/2 hour to an hour after pyrolating. I've also noticed that if my rats are craving MJ, the Indian warrior does nothing to suppress their appetites for MJ.

billybee · 06-17-08, 16:59

I made a nice 5x indian warrior extraction and dried it on mullein.
It had good effects, nice fluffy texture ,and the taste wasn't over bearing.
Then I took 2 grams of the 5x and soaked it in another 20 grams worth of extract. The result was a dark, harsh smoke with good sedative effects but a bad overall taste.(about 13x-15x extract)
I tried to lighten up the blend with a little mullein and damiana but the concentrated indian warrior taste over rides anything I tried.
( I was surprised my rats craving for mj didn't curve at all ,,even with such a high extraction.)
Due to the taste of the indian warrior I wont go past 7x next time.
Maybe Ill try honey or pure vanilla extract to try and flavor it for a better tasting smoke.
billybee

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05-30-08, 03:40	#51 (permalink)
flowmytoe VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 97	[quote=Shadowlord;535616]Well, Let's see how the Kratom feels. I ordered 3.5g of the 54% extract from KT. I only hope there is no real bad hangover to it as someone suggested at Erowid. WOuldn't want my cat to feel crappy after taking it. I never had anything like a hangover from Kratom, rather the opposite. Next day I wake up feeling well rested. __________________ -no plant is illegal-

05-30-08, 04:41	#52 (permalink)
billybee Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	Hey shadowlord,,Ive heard good things about KT's 54% kratom extract. If I were you ,I would just put it in capsules. Id be careful ,,every time my cat gets some kratom extract or the enhanced blends he always over dose it ,,,,pukes it up. Also,,just so everyone knows,, the indian warrior is great,, but its no mj substitute. Its a good sedative and kills my cats minor anxiety. I made a big cup of tea today and used 5 grams. My cat says it produced a nice sense of well being and made him kinda of tired. (which is good ,,cause my cat has a hard time sleeping.) billybee __________________ "I dont do drugs,,I am drugs" S.Dali

05-30-08, 17:04	#55 (permalink)
billybee Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	Well ,,I got my may nights plant and the pain formula today and also I got more indian warrior.So Im back to trying to to make an indian warrior 5x extract fused on mullein.Its just about done ,,maybe an hour or two left of drying.I found a candle warmer that heats up to a good temp and is speeding up the drying process very nicely. If this turns out to my cats liking, Ill be doing this again on a larger scale . (I will keep yall updated.) Anyway,,thank you again tyler for running such a top notch botanical shop.All other vendors could learn a thing or two from you. much love, billybee __________________ "I dont do drugs,,I am drugs" S.Dali

05-31-08, 03:21	#56 (permalink)
Chaos Fuck Mook Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 361	Well I bought Mitragyna Speciosa (Kratom) Weight - 114 grams foliage - Thailand Form - Powdered And I was not pleased. I started with 4 grams nothing. Then 6 grams two days later,nothing. Waited a week then ate 8 grams on a empty stomach, nothing. What is the "best" way to make a strong extract? CHAOS __________________ Carpe fermentum

05-30-08, 15:52	#54 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	Billybee, I think your cat would make the pedicularis last much longer and get a better effect out of it if only your cat could operate a lighter and pyrolate the material =) Give it a shot.

05-31-08, 04:38	#58 (permalink)
mydarling Modtastic Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,034	i also have had no results with thai kratom... different vendor however. i will heed recommendations and try the bali next time __________________ tonight your ghost will ask my ghost, who put these bodies between us?

05-31-08, 08:02	#59 (permalink)
camMyco Modified Honey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,142	My wie is a fan of the Thai, and I prefer the Bali. Different folks, different strokes. I hae noticed that I enjoy the Thai more if I sit and focus on the buzz, where Bali I am movving aroud doing whatever enjoying the buzz. __________________ William Blake’s poem: “If the doors of perception were to be cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is: infinite”.

05-31-08, 08:18	#60 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	There really is a wide variety of response to K with dif peeps..Some do respond much better to one type or another ,which is surprizing because the chem makeup isn't that different.. To extract - Powder 100g into 1500ml acidified water ..Simmer 30 mins and strain thru a fine cloth... Boil down to the consentration of your choice...A second pull will give additional but smaller goods [it's worth doing]...

05-31-08, 09:08	#61 (permalink)
camMyco Modified Honey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,142	Thanks golly I'll give this a try and see how I like it v. 00 caps I currently take. __________________ William Blake’s poem: “If the doors of perception were to be cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is: infinite”.

05-31-08, 09:20	#62 (permalink)
Chaos Fuck Mook Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 361	Thanks !! I will boil it down right now. CHAOS __________________ Carpe fermentum

06-01-08, 02:35	#65 (permalink)
Shadowlord Lost and Wandering. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,549	Glad to hear these good reports on the Indian Warrior since I should be getting mine in a few days. Hoping to have good results with the 54% extract of Kratom I got as well!

06-01-08, 04:47	#66 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	Regarding the Thai Kratom, I cannot discuss the consumption of this material, but let us bear in mind that the traditional dosage of this stuff is anywhere between 15g and 30g. Please read up on raw leaf traditional uses. Some strains, like the Bali and meang da are exceptionally strong. I would asume that Thai kratom potency would be consistent with the centuries old tradition of using 15g to 30g. Just my opinion though. I'm glad everyone is comming to enjoy the pedicularis. Next season I will have an EXTRA special harvest for you =) I won't let the cat out of the bag, all the way yet, but pedicularis is a hemiparasitical plant, which draws alkaloids and other compounds from surrounding plants... and other things. To be continued... =)

06-01-08, 08:04	#67 (permalink)
flowmytoe VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 97	I'm listening..... __________________ -no plant is illegal-

06-01-08, 08:28	#68 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Yikes...Don't mistake that 15-30 gram traditional dose for a good starting point with Kratom.. That dose level will make most new users horribly sick for many hours.. Start with 4-5 gram whole leaf equivelent [powdered] and take it from there....

06-01-08, 12:48	#70 (permalink)
Chaos Fuck Mook Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 361	Ah! apples and oranges. I have enjoyed bali and indo at those small doses. Now I know. So I took 50 grams of thai and about 50 grams of leaf that came off my plant that I had been collecting. I did two extractions with acidic water and reduced to a nice goo. I let it reduce too much in the dish so I used some everclear to loosen it up, then set it on some papers to firm up. I have yet to weight it to figure a dose, but I hope to later today. Thanks everyone CHAOS Attached Thumbnails __________________ Carpe fermentum

06-01-08, 17:21	#71 (permalink)
dice Jack of all trades. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,762	I received some Bali Kratom yesterday wasnt sure what to expect really, but i must say im pleased. I had to order some more 2day. __________________ When in doubt Pack another Last edited by dice; 06-01-08 at 17:22. Reason: cant spell

06-01-08, 18:26	#72 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Cool..! How do you plan to injest that tar Chaos...? Looks interesting..

06-05-08, 15:46	#73 (permalink)
Shadowlord Lost and Wandering. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,549	Well, I got my order from KT Botanicals on Tues. Ordered late Thurs night , so the shipping was nice and prompt. Haven't had much chance to evaluate the Indian Warrior. Since SWIM consumes so much cannabis it is hard to judge the effects. As to the Kratom extract however; I like the Kratom. Test subject found it mild and enjoyable and not all that bad tasting. Milk does indeed cover the flavor quite well. I will almost certainly order more Kratom. I think I will order both the 54% extract and some of the 7% powder or leaf. The extract is very nice, but the powder will probably be easier to take in a tea. The extract went down a little chunky but certainly did what it is supposed to do. Oh, Chosen One, You are right. It does indeed smell nice when smoked.

06-05-08, 20:13	#75 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	RED VEINED THAI NOW AVAILABLE!! http://www.ktbotanicals.com/mitragyn...tom-p-112.html The Red Veined Thai is a BIG step up from the green vein that has been previously available. Researchers who are interested in studying true red vein Thai will find this more than adequate for their studies! Synaptolepis Kirkii http://www.ktbotanicals.com/synaptol...pe-p-6988.html I have also acquired a small quantity of Synaptolepis Kirkii, a rare African botanical which contains potent nuerotrophic compounds which force the production of nerve cells. This is fascinating stuff; a botanical that can actually promote the growth of new nerve cells! Traditionally used to produce clear, crisp visions while in trance- And recently discvoered to have potent nuerotrophic actiity! Fresh Calamus Rhizomes http://www.ktbotanicals.com/acorus-c...roots-p-1.html I have a fresh Calamus harvest as well- nice fresh, unprocessed, juicy roots straight out of the ground! The drying process essentially destroys this plant's value as a medicinal, so I am happy to offer fresh material =) TCO, what did you make a 20X of?!?!?! I feel left out of the loop lol

06-05-08, 20:54	#77 (permalink)
Shr00m Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 367	I will back up the Freshness of the Calamus Rhizomes They are extremly fresh. I planted mine (looked dead) and this shot up!!! Always around, Alex Attached Thumbnails

06-05-08, 22:55	#78 (permalink)
Shadowlord Lost and Wandering. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,549	Synaptolepis kirkii sounds very interesting indeed! I will have to try that with my next order of Kratom. KT, Do you have any Calea Zacatechichi in at the moment? I am interested in studying that and some Blue Lotus/B.L. Extracts as well. I was pleased w/ my Kratom extract from you and want to give you first shot at my business. P.S. Hey Tyler, Is there any reason why 7g of 54% extract is $1.50 more than 2 orders of 3.5g? LOL. just wondering! I put in for some of that Synaptolepis BTW!

06-07-08, 03:10	#79 (permalink)
Chaos Fuck Mook Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 361	Well golly, I stuck it in the freezer then cut it into small squares, rolled them into small balls and downed a few with a glass of milk. I ended up with 8 grams of tar total from the extraction. I ate 2 grams with very little effect. That should have been about 25 grams dry. Of course I know that the extraction is not 100% efficient. I did experience a heightened mental awareness but not like the bali. From now on I will stick with the bali/PC as it has not let me down. Maybe I will eat 4 grams of tar next time? __________________ Carpe fermentum

06-07-08, 08:33	#80 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	I wonder if those tarballs are passing thru undigested, because unless it was way overheated [above boiling point] they should be good.. This kinda defeats the purpose but if you re-dissolve in hot apple juice, then consume.. i think you would feel the goods.. I myself, never evap down that far because i enjoy the tea..The alkaloids are very stable up to the boiling point but beyond that they will oxidize at some point.. So the very final part of the evapouration would be the most likely point where damage could occur...That bubbling tar you see at the end, maybe as hot as boiling oil..

06-07-08, 21:34	#81 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	Alex, I'm glad to see that the rhizome produced such a beautiful live specimen so quickly. I harvested a bunch of mine, thinking that people would be interested in the live rhizome... not many takers lol, I am beginning to put them back into the ground. They are amazingly resiliant to abuse aren't they?! Shadow, I absolutely have calea in stock. I will have live plants available in a few months. I sort of killed my larger specimens due to a lack of water during the high temps here =( But luckily, I have some babies that I grew from seed (not the recommended way to raise calea!) which will be healthy enough to ship out in the following months. "P.S. Hey Tyler, Is there any reason why 7g of 54% extract is $1.50 more than 2 orders of 3.5g? LOL. just wondering! I put in for some of that Synaptolepis BTW!" - Bwahaha no! Lol jeez oh man, I will fix that ASAP! Thanks for letting me know. TCO, I'm glad to hear that the extract went well ha! I'm seriously glad that you are really getting into botanicals. Producing extracts of plants is fascinating! Indian warrior is a good one to start with =)

06-07-08, 22:07	#82 (permalink)
Chaos Fuck Mook Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 361	I am fairly sure I screwed this one up. I left the extract on a hot plate and forgot to turn it off while on a service call. DOH! Thanks for all your help. CHAOS __________________ Carpe fermentum

06-08-08, 03:23	#83 (permalink)
stormer88 Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 57	I'm not knocking KT Botanicals. but it seems in every ethno forum there is a thread labelled like this one with KT Botanicals in big letters and it's on the top of each forum indeffinatly. DO they pay people to keep bumping it to the top on a hourly basis? Or could there be sock puppets doing this?? No big deal. I've never tried their services. I have nothing bad or good to say about them. I don't use extracts. It would just seem this is to much of a coincidence for this thread to be in every ethno forum prominately on the top of every ethno forum out there and not even in the vendor section. It's constantly bumped to the top and given 4-5 stars as a must read. To me this seems like an advertising method. I just thought advertising was meant for the vendors forum. again I'm not knocking them. I've heard they have great service and if I ever do go for extracts I would definitely go through them. Now that I think of it maybe there service is so good people just need to keep talking about them. Make sense. Sorry If I sounded down on this vendor. I just found it funny to see this thread in every ethno forum always at the top. They must be doing something right. I just wish they carried more live plants and more seeds. I'd like to find Rifat strain Kratom cuttings

06-08-08, 05:17	#84 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	I'm not a member of any other forums. I am a member of Mycotopia, a customer of KT botanicals, and the person that started this thread. The thread was started simply because I had a question. It kept going because Tyler, the owner of KT botanicals, has been very helpful answering questions about his products. Thats all there is to it. And they DO pay to be advertised on here. Thats why they are called a sponsor. __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

06-08-08, 07:11	#85 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	Hi there Stormer. While I do sponsor this board, my customers are not paid, encouraged, or given ANY incentive whatsoever to post positive feedback about me or my company. Most of my praise comes from veteran members on the boards who have been around for a while and have absolutely no affiliations with me or my company. Looking around, I have the least posts of anyone here- I am a newcommer and no one here owes me a thing. If my customers are happy enough to start a thread about me on every board that you frequent... you have made my whole week Ha! I sponsor this board, and frequent entheogen.com, kratomandethnoz.com, and those are the only boards that I can realistically keep up with answering questions, posting research etc.. I am curious which other boards have me listed all over the place- I'd like to keep in touch with my customers and keep up with the community feedback on my product quality and customer service. 56% of my sales come from satisfied repeat customers-The point being that I do my very best to ensure that I provide not only the highest quality products at the lowest markup possible, but also the best customer service and reliable ethnobotanical knowledge that I can possibly provide. Customer satisfaction of the magnitude that I maintain simply cannot be attained through the most rigorous spamming or even the most intricate of advertising schemes. There is no replacement for customer satisfaction- Period- and this is a very old fashion way to run a successfull business in today's world of hype, schemes, and here today, gone tomorrow style businesses. I have over 5,000 customers world wide... I don't see much negative feedback being posted. Since my threads are continuously at the top of the list, people have just as much of a chance to post negative feedback as they do to praise me- Again, I don't see much of the former going on. I began this company to fill a need in the ethnobotanical community. In a time of the Salvia frenzy, fueled by irrepsonsible, unscroupulous, profiteering vendors who view sacred botanicals as nothing more than a way to make a buck, I felt as though there was a serious need for a responsible, stand up vendors who contribute to the community and actually listen to and care about their customers needs. What I gathered from 8 years of following ethnobotanical boards was that the ethnobotanical community wanted a knowledgable vendor that they could talk to, who would answer their questions and respond to concerns- Accountability; legitimacy. The community wanted more obscure ethnobotanicals, more extracts, more medicinals, somone who was knowledgable and stayed on the cutting edge. They wanted all of this with low prices and excellent customer service. Therefore, I stepped in to attempt to fill the needs of the community, and while it is a ton of work, I am fulfilling this need to my customers' satisfaction. You can't knock a guy for that. Sincerely, Tyler KT Botanicals

06-08-08, 13:28	#86 (permalink)
Shadowlord Lost and Wandering. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,549	This thread keeps getting bumped because a lot of us members have only recently discovered some of these substances and are asking questions about them. I'm glad it has been kicked about recently as I never heard of Kratom until I came to this site and I'm glad to have had the experience. Researching Kratom has also opened a whole new world of interesting plants and substances to study. So, no. Nobody's drumming up business , there's just a lot of business going on!

06-08-08, 20:30	#87 (permalink)
stormer88 Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 57	I didn't mean any disrespect to Kt Botanicals. I realize you must have allot of satisfied customers but as you say there are many disreputable vendors out there maybe i'm just skeptical in nature. Since your interested in the forums with this thread I'm sure your already aware of them since you post in them also. EdotForum, KratomForum, Just to name a few. Again I'm not knocking you. But as cynical as I am I guess I just thought a vendor with such high praise had to be to good to be true. I apologize for my negative sounding tone. I've never tried any extracts but if you happen to come by Rifat strain Kratom since I already have the Thai Red Vein you offer. I'd for sure try you out also am looking for B caapii. Good luck. Keep putting these dishonest vendors to shame.

06-08-08, 21:15	#88 (permalink)
procell OU812 ? Join Date: Apr 1971 Posts: 923	. __________________ Anything Posted Is Information From Research. Questions Asked Are For Further Research. Any Pictures Posted Were Found On The Internet. ไหว้ Last edited by procell; 06-08-08 at 22:28. Reason: It is no longer true

06-08-08, 23:02	#89 (permalink)
dice Jack of all trades. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,762	Service, Is just that good! __________________ When in doubt Pack another

06-09-08, 00:45	#90 (permalink)
Glock22 Mycophage Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 104	Yea You can even call Tyler the wrong name and he's still cool about it. I still feel dumb about that Tyler. Got all my stuff safe and sound letting my new plant have some air before i transplant. Greg

06-13-08, 19:22	#92 (permalink)
BaconSquishy Mycophage Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 126	hey guys, just recieved some of KT's 7% standardized kratom extract and was wondering what the dose would be, both orally and smoked?