Kratom & More!

[partially_veiled]

Hey guys! I've been following this thread for a while, and I decided to give KT a shot...seeing as their prices are more than fair and y'all have been saying such nice things that I thought I'd just have to tag along on this one! Got some Bali Kratom (plus some Artemisia absinthium and some Essiac tea...I know, weird combo haha ) coming my way, and having tried a few other vendors in the past and coming up slightly less than pleased, I'll be sure to post a little remark here to let you know how the Bali panned out. Peace

[tyler]

PartiallyVeiled, your order will ship today and without a doubt, you'll be happy with the materials you receive from me.

JohnQ- Excellent reporting sir. I wish everyone could report back in this fashion.

[JohnQShroomer]

You will be pleased with the quality PV. It's a nice. My rats love the Bali.

Thanks Tyler. It's all for science!

[procell]

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Tyler, can you explain how to discern the difference between Mitrigyna Speciosa & Mitrigyna parviflora?


And have you discontinued the Thai Kratom in leaf for good now?
Don't really like the powder for making tea.

So I went to order some Indo leaf and the order looks like this

* Weight - 114 grams foliage - Indo
* Form - Powdered


Is it foliage or powder?
Thanks

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[golly]

Powdered by the looks of it...Why don't u like powder for tea..? It's much faster prep time.

[procell]

Originally Posted by golly

Powdered by the looks of it...Why don't u like powder for tea..? It's much faster prep time.

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Well . . .. It just makes alot of mud and doesn't strain as fast.
But mostly I would rather just see the actual leaf that I'm working with.
I trust Tyler, it's just a personal preference.

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[procell]

Tyler has answered my question about leaf or powder.
Thanks.
Any thoughts on the rest?

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Originally Posted by procell

Tyler, can you explain how to discern the difference between Mitrigyna Speciosa & Mitrigyna parviflora?

[tyler]

Hi Procell, not to ignore you there. I was trying to find an absolute answer with some picture evidence for you, but alas, I have found nothing. I have had both trees and what I can tell you is that Kratom trees tend to have leaves that taper to a point at the tips of the laves. The "mellow gold" Parv trees from India, have rounder leaves. This is how I personally discern between the two right off the bat. I am no expert in IDing these two trees, thats just been my personal observation, take it with a grain of salt =)

I have included pictures of my own Rifat trees to help you out.

Sincerely,
Tyler

[procell]

Originally Posted by KTBotanicals

I have had both trees and what I can tell you is that Kratom trees tend to have leaves that taper to a point at the tips of the laves. The "mellow gold" Parv trees from India, have rounder leaves.

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Thanks Tyler, just figured you were pretty busy.
What do you think?
Not pointy enough?

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[livewire420]

so i just order my 1st 114g of indo kratom yesterday and got my confirmation number today. just kinda curious of some good recipes that people have that way mice can play nice....

curious to the effects and what not that they make experience.

[procell]

Originally Posted by livewire420

so i just order my 1st 114g of indo kratom yesterday and got my confirmation number today. just kinda curious of some good recipes that people have that way mice can play nice....

curious to the effects and what not that they make experience.

Check out golly's kratom threads, a world of info there . . .

[golly]

In a nutshell:
A fine tasting tea..
Extract into acidified water, twice ,
filter finely,
boil down till one dose equalls 3/4 cup,,
Add 1/4 cup frozen apple juice consentrate for every dose [1 cup]
Mebbe a bit of sugar to taste..
serve hot or cold...
Enjoy....

[livewire420]

golly

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by stormer88

I'm not knocking KT Botanicals. but it seems in every ethno forum there is a thread labelled like this one with KT Botanicals in big letters and it's on the top of each forum indeffinatly. DO they pay people to keep bumping it to the top on a hourly basis? Or could there be sock puppets doing this??

No big deal. I've never tried their services. I have nothing bad or good to say about them. I don't use extracts. It would just seem this is to much of a coincidence for this thread to be in every ethno forum prominately on the top of every ethno forum out there and not even in the vendor section. It's constantly bumped to the top and given 4-5 stars as a must read. To me this seems like an advertising method. I just thought advertising was meant for the vendors forum. again I'm not knocking them. I've heard they have great service and if I ever do go for extracts I would definitely go through them.

Now that I think of it maybe there service is so good people just need to keep talking about them. Make sense. Sorry If I sounded down on this vendor. I just found it funny to see this thread in every ethno forum always at the top. They must be doing something right. I just wish they carried more live plants and more seeds. I'd like to find Rifat strain Kratom cuttings

you do have a point,
it does seem to be a very active thread.
but in surveying the list of posters
i'm convinced that the vast majority of comments
are perfectly legit,
not being manipulated unduly.
but since it IS so active
perhaps i should move it from Marketplace to
Botanicals as much of this is suited there.

[stormer88]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

you do have a point,
it does seem to be a very active thread.
but in surveying the list of posters
i'm convinced that the vast majority of comments
are perfectly legit,
not being manipulated unduly.
but since it IS so active
perhaps i should move it from Marketplace to
Botanicals as much of this is suited there.

I wasn't making a complaint by any means. I just thought it was interesting that similar threads were always consistently at the top of not just this forum but many forums. Apparently KT Bot. are doing a good job. The heightened activity probably also has allot to do with kratom being an extremely popular subject these days. I think it's even approaching Salvia's popularity level. Lets hope those idiot kids don't start posting youtube videos of completely exaggerated effect of Kratom next like they have of Salvia D or the government will be next to make the subject even more popular.

Originally Posted by procell

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can you explain how to discern the difference between Mitrigyna Speciosa & Mitrigyna parviflora?



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I'm no expert at the subject but i think another way to tell the difference is Mellow gold has trichromes at the undersides of the leaves. I've been told thats the best way to tell the difference. If your Kratom plant comes to you and it's fuzzy you've got mellow gold plants. I have several kratom specimens of Thai and 1 Rifat and they all seem to lack the trichromes on the undersides that M. Parv. is suppose to have.

[procell]

Originally Posted by golly

In a nutshell:
A fine tasting tea..
Extract into acidified water, twice ,
filter finely,
boil down till one dose equalls 3/4 cup,,
Add 1/4 cup frozen apple juice consentrate for every dose [1 cup]
Mebbe a bit of sugar to taste..
serve hot or cold...
Enjoy....

Ahhhh, me thinks I've had some bad quality stuff.
The first test Thai Red Vien was boiled almost out of water then reconsituted and boiled some more. These tests gave good results. After this sampling a broader spectrum was tested. From 2 other sources, the tea was acified with lemon juice, boiled, then simmered for at least 2 hours and simmered down to 3 oz servings of 7grams per. the next 2 gave some mild result but having none of the euphoric feelings of the first.
The later tests were boiled less so maybe that is the issue but it doesn't seem that golly is boiling down so far to get a good result. The raw leaf was also rinsed under cool water before making tea, Bad?
The reaction in chat was that the mice shouold just eat it and be sure.
Though I am inclined to believe the product tested is inferior.

Originally Posted by stormer88

I'm no expert at the subject but i think another way to tell the difference is Mellow gold has trichromes at the undersides of the leaves. I've been told thats the best way to tell the difference. If your Kratom plant comes to you and it's fuzzy you've got mellow gold plants. I have several kratom specimens of Thai and 1 Rifat and they all seem to lack the trichromes on the undersides that M. Parv. is suppose to have.

Thanks Storm, I hope to find a conclusive answer before I have to wait for my garden to mature . . .

[golly]

There is quite a variation in potency of K....A few hours of boiling will have little effect on the Alkaloids..
You can eat the powder for comparison and either you have a high tolerance or low grade
leaf..I used to eat it but gets to be increasingly difficult [gross]...
Strictly a tea freak now...

[procell]

Originally Posted by golly

There is quite a variation in potency of K....
Strictly a tea freak now...

Well we took all of the tea that was left (A second boil of 28 grms and 7 grams of leaf) and simmered it down to 1 dose..

The mice are responding favorably .
Think the past test results have been just been weak sauce.

So then golly, if you have good quality leaf how much do you use per dose in tea prepared as you posted?
7.5 or more in tea?

[partially_veiled]

Hey y'all. I guess it's about time I put my review down here; I received my package on Thursday the third, so I've had time to do some testing and develop an opinion. So here goes...

When I opened my package, the first thing I noticed was the packaging of each individual item: it was very simple, and very effective. I didn't loose a drop!! That's the first . Secondly, I took a very deep whiff of the Kratom. I was looking for that oh-so-familiar pungent, almost musky, odor. It was there in droves. The smell was strong, and that's through the packaging. Another good sign. The smell had me jonesing and it was very hard to put the bag away until after I got home from work...I managed to restrain myself though . On to the tests. First I should perhaps give a little disclaimer and say that I am experienced with Kratom (although this was my first time with KT), so perhaps my dosing schedule is not for the first timers or the faint of heart...

My period of ingestion began at 11:30 PM and ended at 2:45 AM on the night of the 3rd / morning of the 4th. Initially I ate 5.5 grams (all measurements preformed with a calibrated, reliable, digital scale capable of measuring to 0.01 of a gram) in yogurt, waited a while to gauge potency then drank another 2.5 grams in a glass of water, waited again and then ate another 3 grams in yogurt (totaling 11 grams over roughly 3 hours and 15 minutes). On top of this, I decided to do another little experiment. I measured out and mixed up 2 grams of Wormwood and 0.5 grams of MJ (which was then sifted to remove the larger, woodier pieces of the Wormwood, resulting in 1.5 grams of mixed smoke). I did not purchase the Wormwood with the intention of smoking it, but figured why not try a little since I had it on hand. As you can see, the results of this night are not totally reliable as there are other substances to take into account. What I will say is that initially I was feeling the Kratom, but only very slightly...it was not until I began to smoke (which was about 2.5 hours after my initial dose of K) that I really began to feel pronounced effects. As a bit of background info, I'm pretty chronic and often I do not really feel "in the right spot" until there is some MJ in the mix, so this may be my own bias at work here. The first night the results were mild, but they showed much promise for the sort of effect I was looking for. A heavy warmth that flowed throughout my body, a quiet complacency and the soft, tingling sensation of the very beginnings of a nod. Not over-powering, but a good night altogether. I didn't really notice too much from smoking the Wormwood/MJ mixture (other than the effects I normally associate with MJ), other than the fact that the smoke was acrid, and tasted seriously foul. Not an experiment I think I'd try again.

Moving forward: these next tests may again be unreliable as they were preformed on the days directly following the previous dose, so perhaps there is some tolerance to take into account. None the less:

On the 4th (at around 1 PM) I dosed with 5 grams of Kratom drunk in water. This low dose was taken before work, and I was extremely pleased. I had lots of energy, was in a very talkative (and very uplifted mood) at work and occasionally I felt that warm tingle that starts at the tip of my brain and moves slowly through my body...very good stuff !! I dosed again at 12 AM on the 5th (12.5 grams in water), 12:30 AM (6 grams in water) and at 1:30 AM (3.5 grams eaten in yogurt). This brings the days total to a dose of 27 grams spread out over many hours. By the time I was finished dosing (around 1:30 AM), I was feeling decently pronounced effects of the Kratom. They were as I described before, and as Bali is attributed to have in general: opiate LIKE, but certainly not 100% identical. Again, these feelings did not really "kick up into full gear" until I smoked a pipe of MJ. After that, I was reeling, and sleep came quickly to my blissed out body.

On the 5th I dosed 5 grams again before going to work (around 4 PM), and after work (~9:30 PM) I headed on to a party where I ate 15 grams in yogurt. The effects I felt at this point were noticeably diminished from the previous attempts (no doubt due to a tolarance being built up in my system by the foolish amount I'd been eating). None the less, I felt VERY good for the duration of the party (until about 4 in the morning, but I was still feeling some effects around 6 AM when I finally fell asleep); the effects that were most pronounced were extreme comfort, a type of heavy body stone, and a loss of co-ordination (I had some trouble walking). I was sitting for much of the night on a balcony with my back to the railing, and I constantly felt like the whole balcony was tilted and I was falling backwards to the ground. It was actually a really neat feeling. Mentally I was in a very happy state as well, but I was with good friends who always make me happy, so you know... Of course, I had been smoking a decent amount of bud at this party, so once again it is through that filter that this experience should be read.

On the whole, I would describe my experiences so far like this:

This Kratom has been the best I have sampled. It has provided me with some good experiences, and what's more it shows tremendous potential that it could be VERY good, if only I approach it with the right attitude. I'm going to take a break for roughly a month and then come back and try a larger dose right off the bat, and see if that takes me where I want to go. In my tests, I had some of the effects I was desiring, but not the potency I expected. As I said, it is without a doubt the best Kratom I have tried to date (and the price can't be beat)...but it's still not the strength I'm looking for. I have to admit that it's starting to look like it is me, and not the Kratom, which is out of sorts...since I am a bit of a hard head...and it normally takes me a decent dose to get anywhere with most botanicals (outside of psychedelics...where I'd say I'm in the middle of the pack). I should also mention that I have a decent amount of experience with poppy pods...and I think perhaps I'm not going to find what I'm looking for in Kratom, and won't enjoy it to it's fullest until I accept it for what it is and stop looking for a "safe replacement"... as if there is such a thing.

All in all I'd say I do like Kratom, it's simply not as "mind blowing" of an experience as I'd hoped for; but there is still a lot of testing to be done (thankfully I've still got LOTS of Kratom to test with). Like I said, I will attempt to work my tolerance back down and try again with a single large dose. I am very pleased with my Kratom, and if I do order again I'll be sticking with KT for sure, but I think my expecations need to be checked before I am really going to be satisfied with this plant.

Sorry if this post is an unanswerable one for you Tyler, but I couldn't think of any clever animal to dose with this stuff instead...I bought it for myself, and that's where it ended up. I am very happy with my purchase overall and give it a big regarding price, service and quality and would def. recommend your store to others. In fact, I've already placed another order (for some very different stuff, mind you)! With that being said, Hip man I do agree that this thread might be better served in the Marketplace forum. Sure, there's been other things discussed here, but for the most part it is questions and reviews of KT Botanicals goods...so I don't know that it gets any more "Marketplace" than that. It might even get more hits from people who are likely to purchase from KT if it's in the right forum, so it's a positive thing all around. Anyway, just a thought. Hope y'all can stand to read this uber long, mostly boring review. Yikes...got to work on being concise!! Give me a few more years Mycotopiates, I'll get it yet !

[M&M420]

Well I ordered some of the super powder from Iamshaman a little over a month ago and while was convinced that it was effective was not verry pleased.I am going to try some of kt's bali this time hopefully with better results but anyway I was also intrested in ordering some of the Papaver Somniferum and was unsure as if the packs were pods or actual seeds.Which does not matter anyhow because they are for strictly cultivation.The answer is probably right in front of my face but for the life of me I cannot find it.Also after hearing the good reports about the indian warrior I believe that Ill give that a try too.Ill appreciate it if someone could help me out and Ill give reports when recieve my package.

[tyler]

Green Veined Malay Now Available =)

[tyler]

Hey guys, we have a HUGE August news letter with a ton of product updates. I have some products that may interest everyone including Maeng Da Kratom, Elephant's Head Buds, Passion Flower 15X, and a ton more. New products are appearing at the rate of 3 or so a week. Look for Hawaiian grown Yellow Caapi Cut and dried fresh for us every month! Some of the caapi specimens are larger than my forearm!

Thank you for all of the support! I hope I can continue to serve the needs of this community.

Sincerely,
Tyler
KT Botanicals

[blabbly]

Got my kratom order from KTB today. Great customer service and quick shipping, very satisfied. Keep up the good work, Tyler.

[procell]

Originally Posted by blabbly

Got my kratom order from KTB today. Great customer service and quick shipping, very satisfied. Keep up the good work, Tyler.

So Blabbly, how was your experience?

[tyler]

December 2008 News and Updates!

We have put a tremendous amount of work into KT Botanicals these past couple of months! We have been busily expanding our product lines, acquiring new sources, and converting your many product requests into product offerings! Since our last newsletter, we have added 6 new ethnobotanicals, 14 new extracts, 4 new isolates, a new South American Pharmacy section with 72 new South American Medicinal herbs, 13 perfectly priced digital and analog scales, and over 100 new nootropic/anti-aging products! We are very proud to issue this newsletter as it has many exciting new products for your ethnobotanical research needs. You may have noticed the McAffee Secure logo in the upper left corner of our site. We have upgraded our site’s security by contracting McAffee, the world’s largest dedicated digital security company, to run a comprehensive daily scan of our entire site to protect ourselves and our customers from hackers. Another important update to the site is the search bar! The search bar actually finds what you are looking for now, rather than returning hundreds of unrelated product results! Now you can easily search for the name of the product you are looking for, without having to sift through unwanted search results! We have been hard at work in the research and development department and have come up with some very interesting items that will be released in early 2009! For now, we hope you enjoy our new product offerings and we thank you for your kind support. If you appreciate the services that we offer, tell other botanical lovers about us! Our loyal customer base is built around word of mouth referrals from customers like you! Likewise, if you think we can improve in any way, please let us know! By helping us achieve healthy growth, you are helping us to provide you with even more rare and interesting botanicals from around the world. If you want to see us offer something, tell us, and we’ll do our very best to offer it! Know, that as always, a lot more is still to come! Happy Holidays to our friends around the world!

Sincerely,

KT Botanicals

[tyler]

I had insomnia last night and created a new product that I think the community may take interest in. I made a small batch of 20 grams to test the waters with it. Its called:

Mephisto 1.0 Aromatic Incense

I hope you guys enjoy it. Full ingredient list is disclosed for anyone who would like to make their own! No secret ingredients or research chems. No trickery, hidden recipes, flavorings, or other forms of bullshittery- I'm tired of synthetic blends being marketed as 100% natural and all of the horse shit surrounding the Spice market- Enjoy!

[tyler]

Hey guys a suppose a few of you were wondering why our banner is not up on the site. Unfortunately, after speaking with our legal team, they feel that it is imprudent for a business such as mine to sponsor this, or any other boards where entheogens, chemistry, and discussion about unlawful activities, are openly disucssed. We will continue to operate well within the boundaries of the law. We don't currently have any legal problems, we just don't want any. We'd like to stay around and serve you for many years to come, and its unfortunate that we must drop our sponsorship to do that. This has nothing to do with our personal feelings on the manner, its simply a prudent business and legal decision that we had to make, albeit a tough one. We still love Topia and have met so many wonderful people here. =D Bye guys

[the_chosen_one]

hey. if not a sponsor.. still a member. and family as far as i am concerned bro!

you could still come and shoot the shit eh?

[M&M420]

I'm glad you didn't have any legal troubles cause I was worried there for a bit.Unfortunately I had to order from someone else this go around but since I know everything good my next order will come from you.

[tyler]

Originally Posted by meanman420

I'm glad you didn't have any legal troubles cause I was worried there for a bit.Unfortunately I had to order from someone else this go around but since I know everything good my next order will come from you.

yeah lol I have a bunch of emails asking if wer're having problems.... no, we actually couldn't be better ha. We have always operated by the book and to the letter of the law. Thanks for the support, we'll work a way to still suport the board, just perhaps not in the form of a huge banner =)

[Soliver]

Well, damn...

I've always enjoyed reading your posts, as they're often educational. You know your business, as opposed
to many vendors who just resell material they order online. Hopefully, you'll find time to pop in still
and inform the community

soliver