Kratom & More!

JohnQShroomer · 03-29-08, 06:27

I just ordered 114 grams of Bali Kratom from KT Botanicals. I had previously went through 56 grams of the Thai from there. It was good but I orded the bali because I have heard that it has more euphoric and sedative type effects and that is what I am looking for. If you read this KT dude, can you give me some info about the Bali kratom you sell.
Thanks

roc · 03-29-08, 10:08

One could always email tyler and get an answer...

golly · 03-29-08, 15:14

Bali is normally less energizing and more euphoric ...I only buy green Thai for that reason...Have not tried his Bali but if that is the difference you are seeking - you'll proly be happy with it....
KD's prices are very good ,especially for larger amounts...

omentheduck · 03-29-08, 16:13

any one know where i could find the seeds? bbb doesn't have them!

tyler · 04-30-08, 05:18

Hi there. The Bali, in my opinion, is a very well balanced product. The Bali is made from a blend of 3 grades of bali grown leaf. Since it contains stressed leaves, young leaves, and older leaves, it has more of a full spectrum of alkaloids as opposed to the green vein Thai. I recommend Thai for the researcher who is studying wakeful analgesics, as opposed to the bali which tends to sedate and immobilize mice in studies. The bali is cheaper, however this is no indication that it is of lesser quality, quite the opposite. Researchers LOVE my bali so much, that they buy kilos and kilos at a time. Since I have to buy more Bali to keep up with the demand, I get a better price on it than the Thai, and pass the savings down. i also have a new supply of Indonesian kratom, which comes from a different stock of trees than the Bali. I only have it in powdered form and it is showing alot of promise. I just put it up today and have a very limited supply of this material.

As for Kratom seeds... they are really few and far between. I search my shipments frequently hoping that some seeds end up in there... nope. I did receive some seeds from a well known vendor, but they turned out to be Mitrigyna P. rather than speciosa. After exchanging emails back and forth, I was essentially told that I didn't know what I was talking about. Verify your sources before buying seeds for this one guys. Per weight, they are worth more than gold.

Oblivion · 04-30-08, 05:23

Hey have you got any live kratom over at KT?

Shr00m · 04-30-08, 12:36

everywhere that I can find is on backorder. So no, but I should, I have ordered many live plants from Kt and they are amazing quality.
Always around,
Alex

Oblivion · 04-30-08, 13:22

Ill keep that in mind, thanks.

JohnQShroomer · 04-30-08, 16:32

Thanks for the feedback. I actually just recieved my 3rd order of Bali from you today. Turns out I like it.

I noticed the same difference between Bali and Thai that you stated. I would say that Thai is better for people who want to take it for work or to start their day. Bali is better for those who want to take it in the evening cause it makes you sleepy.

tyler · 05-23-08, 03:42

Hey guys, I lowered the price on the Indo Kratom since many customers have made the switch from Bali and Thai and are now buying Indo. I now pick up much more than I used to, at a cheaper price, and I can now afford to let it go for cheaper to you! The Indo Kratom is a TRUE Red Veined variety! In the next month, I will be offering Red Vein Thai and Malaysian varieties as well. Stay tuned.

Shadowlord · 05-23-08, 03:44

I'm very interested in trying Kratom. Do you make a tea of it or take capsules?

JohnQShroomer · 05-23-08, 05:24

I order the powder and take capsules. Some people prefer the tea. Making the capsules is easier IMO.

Tyler, the Thai Kratom I recieved from you recently seemed rather weak. Has anyone else commented to you about that?

tyler · 05-23-08, 14:21

Negative, Shroomer. Its the same Kratom that I have always had, nothing has changed except for perhaps your tolerance =) What strain did you order?

JohnQShroomer · 05-23-08, 23:39

I ordered Thai, but for awhile I was really into the Bali. Probably tolerance and the fact that it is a different strain. Not looking for a free bee or anything. I've just heard that sometimes a bad batch of Kratom goes around.

I'm gonna go with the Indo next time though. Thanks for the lower prices!

I just noticed the wholesale link on your site too. Thats great because I've been really happy with your service and I wanted to order a kilo eventually. I was thinking I'd have to go to a different vendor. I'm pleased to know that I can stick with you!

Thanks for the great service, the speedy deliveries, and all of your feedback.

You've made a loyal customer out of me!

Shadowlord · 05-24-08, 00:24

Hey Shroomer,
I am going to pick some up ( Kratom ). Since you seem well pleased with KT here, I will go through him ( Them? ), what do you suggest strain wise to start off with?
Is the Tea Pleasant? or is it just something you down as quick as possible for the effects? If it is all in the effect I will just take capsules then.
Any and all advice is much appreciated.

JohnQShroomer · 05-24-08, 00:53

I like the Bali because it gives me an opiate like euphoria. It is the cheapest kind they sell as well. Thai has more of a stimulant effect.

KT botanicals just lowered the price of Indo. It is more expensive then Bali but is said to be more potent.

I don't know much about making the tea, but I do know that many people seem to enjoy it. ANd I know that it has a stronger effect but for a shorter period of time.

I prefer capsules because I don't like tea, and I think its easier.

Do a search for kratom on Mycotopia. There has been alot of Kratom info posted here.

tyler · 05-24-08, 01:32

I also have some extremely high grade pedicularis densiflora material that was just harvested last week! I doubt that anyone could ask for higher quality Pedicularis than my current stock:

Shadowlord · 05-24-08, 02:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTBotanicals

I also have some extremely high grade pedicularis densiflora material that was just harvested last week! I doubt that anyone could ask for higher quality Pedicularis than my current stock:

So,
What are the differences? Mostly strength? or how much variation in effects? A relaxing, drowsy effect would go well w/ a bowl at the end of a night. Or should one save it for weekends?

the_chosen_one · 05-24-08, 04:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowlord

A relaxing, drowsy effect would go well w/ a bowl at the end of a night. Or should one save it for weekends?

sedative, muscle relaxant, aphrodisiac.. heh, it's not bad! i had a little earlier and seeing this gave me a chuckle.

an end of the night thing for me.

sorry, i'm not qualified to answer the other questions.

my god Tyler! that looks better than the last batch!

JohnQShroomer · 05-24-08, 14:39

I ordered me some! Never even heard of it before. It looks like some crazy purple weed.

billybee · 05-25-08, 13:52

Yummy,,there beautiful.

Glock22 · 05-25-08, 18:28

i'm not a smoker how else can this be taken, tea or capsules maybe?

JohnQShroomer · 05-25-08, 18:33

Its hard to find info on pedicularis densiflora. There is nothing on erowid or lycaeum about it. What little I have found on some random forums has gotten me excited to try it though. Plus that picture... it just looks delicious.

JohnQShroomer · 05-25-08, 18:35

From what I have read the pedicularis densiflora can be drank as a tea. Sounds like it is more commonly smoked though.

billybee · 05-25-08, 18:41

glock22 Ive had more success with tea then I have smoking.
I like to use 7-9 grams for a strong dose. Im sure thoe that might be a little much with fresh material like Tyler has.
I would start 4-5 grams and wait maybe 45min or so and see if you might want to up it a bit from there.

Glock22 · 05-25-08, 20:01

cool guys thank you, i'll try the tea method soon.

the_chosen_one · 05-27-08, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTBotanicals

I also have some extremely high grade pedicularis densiflora material that was just harvested last week! I doubt that anyone could ask for higher quality Pedicularis than my current stock:

hehehehe can it be extracted?

camMyco · 05-27-08, 16:39

/me pulls up a chair for the thread

billybee · 05-27-08, 17:21

A friend of mine says he gets a good extract with a simple alcohol extraction. (Im sure a water extraction would work to)
The bad thing is,,Ive read that tolerance can build up very quickly with these plants.
Latter this week ,,I want to try an alcohol extraction and dry it on a nice mix of mullein/i.warrior and add a couple drops of pure vanilla for flavor.(Ill going with 10 grams indian warrior and fuse it on to 2 grams.)
If anyone has any suggestions or thoughts feel free to pm me.

take care,
billybee

Shadowlord · 05-27-08, 17:32

Are you going to extract the Kratom or the pedicularis densiflora mentioned above?
Making cookies or cakes from this stuff?
So many things to try!

the_chosen_one · 05-27-08, 18:12

thanks billybee

lol, we should call this thread "botanicals from KT Botanicals".

haha! i'm with ya shadowlord! i already went on a small shopping spree

JohnQShroomer · 05-27-08, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_chosen_one

thanks billybee

lol, we should call this thread "botanicals from KT Botanicals".

haha! i'm with ya shadowlord! i already went on a small shopping spree

Chnage the name of the thread if ya can TCO. I got an order of the PD coming from KT and I'll probably post a little review in this thread when I check it out. Plus it is getting a lil confusing.

the_chosen_one · 05-27-08, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnQShroomer

Chnage the name of the thread if ya can TCO. I got an order of the PD coming from KT and I'll probably post a little review in this thread when I check it out. Plus it is getting a lil confusing.

JohnQShroomer · 05-27-08, 18:54

thanks!

tyler · 05-27-08, 20:19

Hey guys! I suppose you could change the thread title if needed. I guess I am the only vendor that is really into ethnobotanicals on this board who regularly posts info on botanicals!! Fine with me ha. To answer some questions:

First and foremost, I cannot specifically answer any questions regarding human consumption of ANYTHING. For me to do so would make me subject to the analog act; not something I want to be subject to. So any and all questions that refer to HUMAN consumption cannot be answered. If you would like to talk about your legitimate ethnobotanical research on lab mice, or experiments in a clinical setting, lets do it. Please no posts about, "I smoked ABC and felt XYZ" I cannot respond to these sorts of things as per the advice of my legal team. With that said, if anyone has PMed me or openly asked a question to which I have not responded , I am not trying to slight you or insult you by not responding... no not at all, its probably that I simply cannot legally answer your question. I hope you can all understand =\

With that said, Pedicularis can be made into a wonderful extract. Billybee is just about dead on in his theory of extraction methods. A simple 50-50 water and alcohol extract will do nicely and will produce somewhere in the ballpark of a 5X resin extract. Considering that this material is some of the finest quality you will find anywhere... 5X is quite potent for labratory use. While many researchers have found oral consumption in animals ineffective, I disagree. I have observed muscle relaxtion, sedation, and analgesia in lab animals. However, inhaled, it is effective in smaller amounts from what I have seen in the animals.

Sincerely,

Tyler
KT Botanicals

JohnQShroomer · 05-27-08, 20:45

Thanks for the post Tyler. Now I have a question...

Is the Indo kratom more likely to sedate or stimulate a lab mouse? Would the effects on a mouse be more similar to Bali or Thai?

golly · 05-27-08, 22:02

Just tried the Indo...I would say it's middle of the road on the stimulation scale..

JohnQShroomer · 05-27-08, 22:29

Maybe I'll just stick with the Bali then. My mice really enjoy being sedated

tyler · 05-28-08, 00:04

From what I have observed in the animals, it appears as though it is in between the thai and bali in most aspects. It is almost perfectly in the middle. My studies favor it, but favor the bali just a tad bit more. But thats just my research. I DO like the indo, because I feel as though it is handled better, processed better, packaged for import better, and it is a true red veined strain. I will be aquiring malayasian and Red Veined Thai shortly, but they will run quite a bit more than the Kratom that I currently carry, somewhere in the $15-$18 per ounce range. BTW, the extracts that I carry are both from Bali material in case anyone was interested ha.

billybee · 05-28-08, 03:47

Yeah shadowlord,, Im going to try to extract the pedicularis densiflora.
I could just make a sticky ,hash like tar with it ,,but Ive decided to infuse it onto a nice mix of mullien/indian warrior.
From there,, I will experiment with mixing it with other pedicularis, mj,lotus and maybe a good dagga extract if I can find one.

(But,,If tylers indian warrior taste as good as it looks,, I wont be doing any extracts,,my cat will consume it as is.

)

much love,
billybee

tyler · 05-28-08, 18:55

Billybee check your mail in 2 days. A plant is on its way, we don't want it to die in the box =) Pain relief is comming too =)

the_chosen_one · 05-28-08, 19:01

ha! Tyler must be slammin' the yerba and green tea! he's crankin' them out!

tyler · 05-28-08, 19:21

aha right you are TCO.... slammin yerba green tea to wash down those nootropics =) I actually have a problem over here with scortching the outgoing packages because my hands are moving so fast! If anyone receives their order with burn marks and melted tape... its just me getting hypersonic with the tape dispenser!!

the_chosen_one · 05-28-08, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTBotanicals

aha right you are TCO.... slammin yerba green tea to wash down those nootropics =) I actually have a problem over here with scortching the outgoing packages because my hands are moving so fast! If anyone receives their order with burn marks and melted tape... its just me getting hypersonic with the tape dispenser!!

lol, you got me hooked!!! yerba mate and tazo china green tips combined

OH btw! if i were to post a few pics of a tree at home could you possibly ID it? i'm pretty dang sure it's camillia sinesis (green tea). it no longer has any flowers on it... but it looks exactly like the green tea pic on the celestial seasonings box

the people who owned the house before were very much into herbs and i'm finding all sorts of them around the property. the latest find was some puncture vine a while back

Shadowlord · 05-28-08, 22:30

Yerba Mate is some good stuff! I used to get it all the time instead of coffee at night. Never had a problem with it keeping me awake until the guy I used to buy it from commented on how he was surprised I drank it late at night as it keeps most people up. Promptly that night, I couldn't sleep LOL!

Well Tyler, I'm glad you are wide awake and cranking those orders out. I have looked all over the Seattle Area for Kratom but nobody has it. All the botanical and herb shops here have never heard of it. ( or won't admit to knowing of it! ) So I will be placing an order w/ you tomorrow as all this talk of Kratom has piqued my curiosity.
Now as to the Pedicularis Densiflora; Will it work for someone who SWAD?
Since that is grown in my garden, I tend to go through a lot of it.

billybee · 05-29-08, 00:02

Thanks tyler,,Ill be sure to keep an eye out.
Im really hoping it comes early to be honest. Your pain formula is going to get put to the test.(My cat has a tooth thats killing him and has no insurance.)

take care,
billybee

Shadowlord · 05-29-08, 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybee

Your pain formula is going to get put to the test.(My cat has a tooth thats killing him and has no insurance.)

take care,
billybee

Sorry to hear that billybee. My cat also has problems w/ his teeth and knows how truly miserable that can be. My condolences.

billybee · 05-29-08, 17:36

Thank you shadowlord for the kind words.
I just got my indian warrior today from tyler and its yummy.
It dosnt look like Ill be doing any extracts,,the material is great as is.

(Were all very fortunate to have great vendors like Kt's that care about there costumers and offer such fresh material. )

much love,
billybee

tyler · 05-29-08, 19:11

Billybee, PLEASE DO put that pain formula to the test. I currently have no dental insurance either. I had 3 cavities filled a few weeks back... $1,300!! OUCH!

I'm glad that you like the pedicularis, I don't think anyone could complain about the quality or freshness of that product ha! Let us all know how it goes!!

Sincerely,

Tyler
KT Botanicals

Shadowlord · 05-30-08, 01:51

Well, Let's see how the Kratom feels. I ordered 3.5g of the 54% extract from KT. I only hope there is no real bad hangover to it as someone suggested at Erowid. WOuldn't want my cat to feel crappy after taking it.

And since the I. Warrior just came in fresh and billybee seems to like it I thought I'd give it a whirl as well.
Still haven't decided whether to put the Kratom extract in capsules or to make a tea of it but I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

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03-29-08, 06:27	#1 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	Kratom & More! I just ordered 114 grams of Bali Kratom from KT Botanicals. I had previously went through 56 grams of the Thai from there. It was good but I orded the bali because I have heard that it has more euphoric and sedative type effects and that is what I am looking for. If you read this KT dude, can you give me some info about the Bali kratom you sell. Thanks Last edited by the_chosen_one; 05-27-08 at 18:34. Reason: topic expanding

03-29-08, 10:08	#2 (permalink)
roc Old Man Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 4,296	One could always email tyler and get an answer... __________________ ubuntu! Member of Native Geekaho Tribe. "Think for yourself and question authority"

03-29-08, 16:13	#4 (permalink)
omentheduck YoUsEeNOthiNg Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 961	any one know where i could find the seeds? bbb doesn't have them! __________________ "I look, therefore I see. I try, therefore I will. I embrace, therefore I'm embraced. I believe, therefore I am!" omentheduck

04-30-08, 05:23	#6 (permalink)
Oblivion Join me there Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,622	Hey have you got any live kratom over at KT? __________________ Delivery from ignorance is bliss.

03-29-08, 15:14	#3 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Bali is normally less energizing and more euphoric ...I only buy green Thai for that reason...Have not tried his Bali but if that is the difference you are seeking - you'll proly be happy with it.... KD's prices are very good ,especially for larger amounts...

04-30-08, 05:18	#5 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	Hi there. The Bali, in my opinion, is a very well balanced product. The Bali is made from a blend of 3 grades of bali grown leaf. Since it contains stressed leaves, young leaves, and older leaves, it has more of a full spectrum of alkaloids as opposed to the green vein Thai. I recommend Thai for the researcher who is studying wakeful analgesics, as opposed to the bali which tends to sedate and immobilize mice in studies. The bali is cheaper, however this is no indication that it is of lesser quality, quite the opposite. Researchers LOVE my bali so much, that they buy kilos and kilos at a time. Since I have to buy more Bali to keep up with the demand, I get a better price on it than the Thai, and pass the savings down. i also have a new supply of Indonesian kratom, which comes from a different stock of trees than the Bali. I only have it in powdered form and it is showing alot of promise. I just put it up today and have a very limited supply of this material. As for Kratom seeds... they are really few and far between. I search my shipments frequently hoping that some seeds end up in there... nope. I did receive some seeds from a well known vendor, but they turned out to be Mitrigyna P. rather than speciosa. After exchanging emails back and forth, I was essentially told that I didn't know what I was talking about. Verify your sources before buying seeds for this one guys. Per weight, they are worth more than gold.

04-30-08, 12:36	#7 (permalink)
Shr00m Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 367	They are on backorder everywhere that I can find is on backorder. So no, but I should, I have ordered many live plants from Kt and they are amazing quality. Always around, Alex

04-30-08, 13:22	#8 (permalink)
Oblivion Join me there Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,622	Ill keep that in mind, thanks. __________________ Delivery from ignorance is bliss.

04-30-08, 16:32	#9 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	Thanks KT! Thanks for the feedback. I actually just recieved my 3rd order of Bali from you today. Turns out I like it. I noticed the same difference between Bali and Thai that you stated. I would say that Thai is better for people who want to take it for work or to start their day. Bali is better for those who want to take it in the evening cause it makes you sleepy.

05-23-08, 03:42	#10 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	Hey guys, I lowered the price on the Indo Kratom since many customers have made the switch from Bali and Thai and are now buying Indo. I now pick up much more than I used to, at a cheaper price, and I can now afford to let it go for cheaper to you! The Indo Kratom is a TRUE Red Veined variety! In the next month, I will be offering Red Vein Thai and Malaysian varieties as well. Stay tuned.

05-23-08, 03:44	#11 (permalink)
Shadowlord Lost and Wandering. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,549	I'm very interested in trying Kratom. Do you make a tea of it or take capsules?

05-23-08, 05:24	#12 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	I order the powder and take capsules. Some people prefer the tea. Making the capsules is easier IMO. Tyler, the Thai Kratom I recieved from you recently seemed rather weak. Has anyone else commented to you about that? __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-23-08, 14:21	#13 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	Negative, Shroomer. Its the same Kratom that I have always had, nothing has changed except for perhaps your tolerance =) What strain did you order?

05-23-08, 23:39	#14 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	I ordered Thai, but for awhile I was really into the Bali. Probably tolerance and the fact that it is a different strain. Not looking for a free bee or anything. I've just heard that sometimes a bad batch of Kratom goes around. I'm gonna go with the Indo next time though. Thanks for the lower prices! I just noticed the wholesale link on your site too. Thats great because I've been really happy with your service and I wanted to order a kilo eventually. I was thinking I'd have to go to a different vendor. I'm pleased to know that I can stick with you! Thanks for the great service, the speedy deliveries, and all of your feedback. You've made a loyal customer out of me! __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-24-08, 00:24	#15 (permalink)
Shadowlord Lost and Wandering. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,549	Hey Shroomer, I am going to pick some up ( Kratom ). Since you seem well pleased with KT here, I will go through him ( Them? ), what do you suggest strain wise to start off with? Is the Tea Pleasant? or is it just something you down as quick as possible for the effects? If it is all in the effect I will just take capsules then. Any and all advice is much appreciated.

05-24-08, 00:53	#16 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	I like the Bali because it gives me an opiate like euphoria. It is the cheapest kind they sell as well. Thai has more of a stimulant effect. KT botanicals just lowered the price of Indo. It is more expensive then Bali but is said to be more potent. I don't know much about making the tea, but I do know that many people seem to enjoy it. ANd I know that it has a stronger effect but for a shorter period of time. I prefer capsules because I don't like tea, and I think its easier. Do a search for kratom on Mycotopia. There has been alot of Kratom info posted here. __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-24-08, 01:32	#17 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	I also have some extremely high grade pedicularis densiflora material that was just harvested last week! I doubt that anyone could ask for higher quality Pedicularis than my current stock:

05-24-08, 14:39	#20 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	I ordered me some! Never even heard of it before. It looks like some crazy purple weed. __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-25-08, 13:52	#21 (permalink)
billybee Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	wow Yummy,,there beautiful.

05-25-08, 18:28	#22 (permalink)
Glock22 Mycophage Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 104	i'm not a smoker how else can this be taken, tea or capsules maybe?

05-25-08, 18:33	#23 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	Its hard to find info on pedicularis densiflora. There is nothing on erowid or lycaeum about it. What little I have found on some random forums has gotten me excited to try it though. Plus that picture... it just looks delicious. __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-25-08, 18:35	#24 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	From what I have read the pedicularis densiflora can be drank as a tea. Sounds like it is more commonly smoked though. __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-25-08, 18:41	#25 (permalink)
billybee Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	tea glock22 Ive had more success with tea then I have smoking. I like to use 7-9 grams for a strong dose. Im sure thoe that might be a little much with fresh material like Tyler has. I would start 4-5 grams and wait maybe 45min or so and see if you might want to up it a bit from there.

05-25-08, 20:01	#26 (permalink)
Glock22 Mycophage Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 104	cool guys thank you, i'll try the tea method soon.

05-27-08, 16:39	#28 (permalink)
camMyco Modified Honey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,142	/me pulls up a chair for the thread __________________ William Blake’s poem: “If the doors of perception were to be cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is: infinite”.

05-27-08, 17:21	#29 (permalink)
billybee Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	A friend of mine says he gets a good extract with a simple alcohol extraction. (Im sure a water extraction would work to) The bad thing is,,Ive read that tolerance can build up very quickly with these plants. Latter this week ,,I want to try an alcohol extraction and dry it on a nice mix of mullein/i.warrior and add a couple drops of pure vanilla for flavor.(Ill going with 10 grams indian warrior and fuse it on to 2 grams.) If anyone has any suggestions or thoughts feel free to pm me. take care, billybee __________________ "I dont do drugs,,I am drugs" S.Dali

05-27-08, 17:32	#30 (permalink)
Shadowlord Lost and Wandering. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,549	Are you going to extract the Kratom or the pedicularis densiflora mentioned above? Making cookies or cakes from this stuff? So many things to try! Last edited by Shadowlord; 05-27-08 at 17:41. Reason: Googled indian warrior.

05-27-08, 18:12	#31 (permalink)
the_chosen_one Darth Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,120	thanks billybee lol, we should call this thread "botanicals from KT Botanicals". haha! i'm with ya shadowlord! i already went on a small shopping spree __________________ "Luck favors the observant." - Workman

05-27-08, 18:54	#34 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	thanks! __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-27-08, 20:19	#35 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	Hey guys! I suppose you could change the thread title if needed. I guess I am the only vendor that is really into ethnobotanicals on this board who regularly posts info on botanicals!! Fine with me ha. To answer some questions: First and foremost, I cannot specifically answer any questions regarding human consumption of ANYTHING. For me to do so would make me subject to the analog act; not something I want to be subject to. So any and all questions that refer to HUMAN consumption cannot be answered. If you would like to talk about your legitimate ethnobotanical research on lab mice, or experiments in a clinical setting, lets do it. Please no posts about, "I smoked ABC and felt XYZ" I cannot respond to these sorts of things as per the advice of my legal team. With that said, if anyone has PMed me or openly asked a question to which I have not responded , I am not trying to slight you or insult you by not responding... no not at all, its probably that I simply cannot legally answer your question. I hope you can all understand =\ With that said, Pedicularis can be made into a wonderful extract. Billybee is just about dead on in his theory of extraction methods. A simple 50-50 water and alcohol extract will do nicely and will produce somewhere in the ballpark of a 5X resin extract. Considering that this material is some of the finest quality you will find anywhere... 5X is quite potent for labratory use. While many researchers have found oral consumption in animals ineffective, I disagree. I have observed muscle relaxtion, sedation, and analgesia in lab animals. However, inhaled, it is effective in smaller amounts from what I have seen in the animals. Sincerely, Tyler KT Botanicals

05-27-08, 20:45	#36 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	Thanks for the post Tyler. Now I have a question... Is the Indo kratom more likely to sedate or stimulate a lab mouse? Would the effects on a mouse be more similar to Bali or Thai? __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-27-08, 22:02	#37 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Just tried the Indo...I would say it's middle of the road on the stimulation scale..

05-27-08, 22:29	#38 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 200	Maybe I'll just stick with the Bali then. My mice really enjoy being sedated __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-28-08, 00:04	#39 (permalink)
tyler Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 103	From what I have observed in the animals, it appears as though it is in between the thai and bali in most aspects. It is almost perfectly in the middle. My studies favor it, but favor the bali just a tad bit more. But thats just my research. I DO like the indo, because I feel as though it is handled better, processed better, packaged for import better, and it is a true red veined strain. I will be aquiring malayasian and Red Veined Thai shortly, but they will run quite a bit more than the Kratom that I currently carry, somewhere in the $15-$18 per ounce range. BTW, the extracts that I carry are both from Bali material in case anyone was interested ha.