KT Botanicals Kratom & More!

JohnQShroomer · 03-29-08, 06:27

I just ordered 114 grams of Bali Kratom from KT Botanicals. I had previously went through 56 grams of the Thai from there. It was good but I orded the bali because I have heard that it has more euphoric and sedative type effects and that is what I am looking for. If you read this KT dude, can you give me some info about the Bali kratom you sell.
Thanks

roc · 03-29-08, 10:08

One could always email tyler and get an answer...

golly · 03-29-08, 15:14

Bali is normally less energizing and more euphoric ...I only buy green Thai for that reason...Have not tried his Bali but if that is the difference you are seeking - you'll proly be happy with it....
KD's prices are very good ,especially for larger amounts...

omentheduck · 03-29-08, 16:13

any one know where i could find the seeds? bbb doesn't have them!

KTBotanicals · 04-30-08, 05:18

Hi there. The Bali, in my opinion, is a very well balanced product. The Bali is made from a blend of 3 grades of bali grown leaf. Since it contains stressed leaves, young leaves, and older leaves, it has more of a full spectrum of alkaloids as opposed to the green vein Thai. I recommend Thai for the researcher who is studying wakeful analgesics, as opposed to the bali which tends to sedate and immobilize mice in studies. The bali is cheaper, however this is no indication that it is of lesser quality, quite the opposite. Researchers LOVE my bali so much, that they buy kilos and kilos at a time. Since I have to buy more Bali to keep up with the demand, I get a better price on it than the Thai, and pass the savings down. i also have a new supply of Indonesian kratom, which comes from a different stock of trees than the Bali. I only have it in powdered form and it is showing alot of promise. I just put it up today and have a very limited supply of this material.

As for Kratom seeds... they are really few and far between. I search my shipments frequently hoping that some seeds end up in there... nope. I did receive some seeds from a well known vendor, but they turned out to be Mitrigyna P. rather than speciosa. After exchanging emails back and forth, I was essentially told that I didn't know what I was talking about. Verify your sources before buying seeds for this one guys. Per weight, they are worth more than gold.

Oblivion · 04-30-08, 05:23

Hey have you got any live kratom over at KT?

Shr00m · 04-30-08, 12:36

everywhere that I can find is on backorder. So no, but I should, I have ordered many live plants from Kt and they are amazing quality.
Always around,
Alex

Oblivion · 04-30-08, 13:22

Ill keep that in mind, thanks.

JohnQShroomer · 04-30-08, 16:32

Thanks for the feedback. I actually just recieved my 3rd order of Bali from you today. Turns out I like it.

I noticed the same difference between Bali and Thai that you stated. I would say that Thai is better for people who want to take it for work or to start their day. Bali is better for those who want to take it in the evening cause it makes you sleepy.

KTBotanicals · 05-23-08, 03:42

Hey guys, I lowered the price on the Indo Kratom since many customers have made the switch from Bali and Thai and are now buying Indo. I now pick up much more than I used to, at a cheaper price, and I can now afford to let it go for cheaper to you! The Indo Kratom is a TRUE Red Veined variety! In the next month, I will be offering Red Vein Thai and Malaysian varieties as well. Stay tuned.

Shadowlord · 05-23-08, 03:44

I'm very interested in trying Kratom. Do you make a tea of it or take capsules?

JohnQShroomer · 05-23-08, 05:24

I order the powder and take capsules. Some people prefer the tea. Making the capsules is easier IMO.

Tyler, the Thai Kratom I recieved from you recently seemed rather weak. Has anyone else commented to you about that?

KTBotanicals · 05-23-08, 14:21

Negative, Shroomer. Its the same Kratom that I have always had, nothing has changed except for perhaps your tolerance =) What strain did you order?

JohnQShroomer · 05-23-08, 23:39

I ordered Thai, but for awhile I was really into the Bali. Probably tolerance and the fact that it is a different strain. Not looking for a free bee or anything. I've just heard that sometimes a bad batch of Kratom goes around.

I'm gonna go with the Indo next time though. Thanks for the lower prices!

I just noticed the wholesale link on your site too. Thats great because I've been really happy with your service and I wanted to order a kilo eventually. I was thinking I'd have to go to a different vendor. I'm pleased to know that I can stick with you!

Thanks for the great service, the speedy deliveries, and all of your feedback.

You've made a loyal customer out of me!

Shadowlord · 05-24-08, 00:24

Hey Shroomer,
I am going to pick some up ( Kratom ). Since you seem well pleased with KT here, I will go through him ( Them? ), what do you suggest strain wise to start off with?
Is the Tea Pleasant? or is it just something you down as quick as possible for the effects? If it is all in the effect I will just take capsules then.
Any and all advice is much appreciated.

JohnQShroomer · 05-24-08, 00:53

I like the Bali because it gives me an opiate like euphoria. It is the cheapest kind they sell as well. Thai has more of a stimulant effect.

KT botanicals just lowered the price of Indo. It is more expensive then Bali but is said to be more potent.

I don't know much about making the tea, but I do know that many people seem to enjoy it. ANd I know that it has a stronger effect but for a shorter period of time.

I prefer capsules because I don't like tea, and I think its easier.

Do a search for kratom on Mycotopia. There has been alot of Kratom info posted here.

KTBotanicals · 05-24-08, 01:32

I also have some extremely high grade pedicularis densiflora material that was just harvested last week! I doubt that anyone could ask for higher quality Pedicularis than my current stock:

Shadowlord · 05-24-08, 02:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTBotanicals

I also have some extremely high grade pedicularis densiflora material that was just harvested last week! I doubt that anyone could ask for higher quality Pedicularis than my current stock:

So,
What are the differences? Mostly strength? or how much variation in effects? A relaxing, drowsy effect would go well w/ a bowl at the end of a night. Or should one save it for weekends?

the_chosen_one · 05-24-08, 04:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowlord

A relaxing, drowsy effect would go well w/ a bowl at the end of a night. Or should one save it for weekends?

sedative, muscle relaxant, aphrodisiac.. heh, it's not bad! i had a little earlier and seeing this gave me a chuckle.

an end of the night thing for me.

sorry, i'm not qualified to answer the other questions.

my god Tyler! that looks better than the last batch!

JohnQShroomer · 05-24-08, 14:39

I ordered me some! Never even heard of it before. It looks like some crazy purple weed.

billybee · 05-25-08, 13:52

Yummy,,there beautiful.

Glock22 · 05-25-08, 18:28

i'm not a smoker how else can this be taken, tea or capsules maybe?

JohnQShroomer · 05-25-08, 18:33

Its hard to find info on pedicularis densiflora. There is nothing on erowid or lycaeum about it. What little I have found on some random forums has gotten me excited to try it though. Plus that picture... it just looks delicious.

JohnQShroomer · 05-25-08, 18:35

From what I have read the pedicularis densiflora can be drank as a tea. Sounds like it is more commonly smoked though.

billybee · 05-25-08, 18:41

glock22 Ive had more success with tea then I have smoking.
I like to use 7-9 grams for a strong dose. Im sure thoe that might be a little much with fresh material like Tyler has.
I would start 4-5 grams and wait maybe 45min or so and see if you might want to up it a bit from there.

Glock22 · 05-25-08, 20:01

cool guys thank you, i'll try the tea method soon.

the_chosen_one · 05-27-08, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTBotanicals

I also have some extremely high grade pedicularis densiflora material that was just harvested last week! I doubt that anyone could ask for higher quality Pedicularis than my current stock:

hehehehe can it be extracted?

camMyco · 05-27-08, 16:39

/me pulls up a chair for the thread

billybee · 05-27-08, 17:21

A friend of mine says he gets a good extract with a simple alcohol extraction. (Im sure a water extraction would work to)
The bad thing is,,Ive read that tolerance can build up very quickly with these plants.
Latter this week ,,I want to try an alcohol extraction and dry it on a nice mix of mullein/i.warrior and add a couple drops of pure vanilla for flavor.(Ill going with 10 grams indian warrior and fuse it on to 2 grams.)
If anyone has any suggestions or thoughts feel free to pm me.

take care,
billybee

Shadowlord · 05-27-08, 17:32

Are you going to extract the Kratom or the pedicularis densiflora mentioned above?
Making cookies or cakes from this stuff?
So many things to try!

the_chosen_one · 05-27-08, 18:12

thanks billybee

lol, we should call this thread "botanicals from KT Botanicals".

haha! i'm with ya shadowlord! i already went on a small shopping spree

JohnQShroomer · 05-27-08, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_chosen_one

thanks billybee

lol, we should call this thread "botanicals from KT Botanicals".

haha! i'm with ya shadowlord! i already went on a small shopping spree

Chnage the name of the thread if ya can TCO. I got an order of the PD coming from KT and I'll probably post a little review in this thread when I check it out. Plus it is getting a lil confusing.

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03-29-08, 06:27	#1 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 201	KT Botanicals Kratom & More! I just ordered 114 grams of Bali Kratom from KT Botanicals. I had previously went through 56 grams of the Thai from there. It was good but I orded the bali because I have heard that it has more euphoric and sedative type effects and that is what I am looking for. If you read this KT dude, can you give me some info about the Bali kratom you sell. Thanks Last edited by the_chosen_one : 05-27-08 at 18:34. Reason: topic expanding

03-29-08, 10:08	#2 (permalink)
roc Old Man Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 2,807	One could always email tyler and get an answer... __________________ ubuntu! Member of Native Geekaho Tribe. "Think for yourself and question authority"

03-29-08, 16:13	#4 (permalink)
omentheduck YoUsEeNOthiNg Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 633	any one know where i could find the seeds? bbb doesn't have them! __________________ "I look, therefor I see. I try, therefor I will. I embrace, therefor I'm embraced. I believe, therefor I am!" omentheduck

04-30-08, 05:18	#5 (permalink)
KTBotanicals Mycotopia Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 93	Hi there. The Bali, in my opinion, is a very well balanced product. The Bali is made from a blend of 3 grades of bali grown leaf. Since it contains stressed leaves, young leaves, and older leaves, it has more of a full spectrum of alkaloids as opposed to the green vein Thai. I recommend Thai for the researcher who is studying wakeful analgesics, as opposed to the bali which tends to sedate and immobilize mice in studies. The bali is cheaper, however this is no indication that it is of lesser quality, quite the opposite. Researchers LOVE my bali so much, that they buy kilos and kilos at a time. Since I have to buy more Bali to keep up with the demand, I get a better price on it than the Thai, and pass the savings down. i also have a new supply of Indonesian kratom, which comes from a different stock of trees than the Bali. I only have it in powdered form and it is showing alot of promise. I just put it up today and have a very limited supply of this material. As for Kratom seeds... they are really few and far between. I search my shipments frequently hoping that some seeds end up in there... nope. I did receive some seeds from a well known vendor, but they turned out to be Mitrigyna P. rather than speciosa. After exchanging emails back and forth, I was essentially told that I didn't know what I was talking about. Verify your sources before buying seeds for this one guys. Per weight, they are worth more than gold. __________________ KTBotanicals.Com 6,000 Ethnobotanical Products!

03-29-08, 15:14	#3 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,666	Bali is normally less energizing and more euphoric ...I only buy green Thai for that reason...Have not tried his Bali but if that is the difference you are seeking - you'll proly be happy with it.... KD's prices are very good ,especially for larger amounts...

04-30-08, 05:23	#6 (permalink)
Oblivion Join me there Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 381	Hey have you got any live kratom over at KT? __________________ I was created by the Ultrich and destroyed by the Humans.

04-30-08, 12:36	#7 (permalink)
Shr00m MultiDimensional Traveler Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 367	They are on backorder everywhere that I can find is on backorder. So no, but I should, I have ordered many live plants from Kt and they are amazing quality. Always around, Alex

04-30-08, 13:22	#8 (permalink)
Oblivion Join me there Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 381	Ill keep that in mind, thanks. __________________ I was created by the Ultrich and destroyed by the Humans.

04-30-08, 16:32	#9 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 201	Thanks KT! Thanks for the feedback. I actually just recieved my 3rd order of Bali from you today. Turns out I like it. I noticed the same difference between Bali and Thai that you stated. I would say that Thai is better for people who want to take it for work or to start their day. Bali is better for those who want to take it in the evening cause it makes you sleepy.

05-23-08, 03:42	#10 (permalink)
KTBotanicals Mycotopia Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 93	Hey guys, I lowered the price on the Indo Kratom since many customers have made the switch from Bali and Thai and are now buying Indo. I now pick up much more than I used to, at a cheaper price, and I can now afford to let it go for cheaper to you! The Indo Kratom is a TRUE Red Veined variety! In the next month, I will be offering Red Vein Thai and Malaysian varieties as well. Stay tuned. __________________ KTBotanicals.Com 6,000 Ethnobotanical Products!

05-23-08, 03:44	#11 (permalink)
Shadowlord Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 552	I'm very interested in trying Kratom. Do you make a tea of it or take capsules?

05-23-08, 05:24	#12 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 201	I order the powder and take capsules. Some people prefer the tea. Making the capsules is easier IMO. Tyler, the Thai Kratom I recieved from you recently seemed rather weak. Has anyone else commented to you about that? __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-23-08, 14:21	#13 (permalink)
KTBotanicals Mycotopia Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 93	Negative, Shroomer. Its the same Kratom that I have always had, nothing has changed except for perhaps your tolerance =) What strain did you order? __________________ KTBotanicals.Com 6,000 Ethnobotanical Products!

05-23-08, 23:39	#14 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 201	I ordered Thai, but for awhile I was really into the Bali. Probably tolerance and the fact that it is a different strain. Not looking for a free bee or anything. I've just heard that sometimes a bad batch of Kratom goes around. I'm gonna go with the Indo next time though. Thanks for the lower prices! I just noticed the wholesale link on your site too. Thats great because I've been really happy with your service and I wanted to order a kilo eventually. I was thinking I'd have to go to a different vendor. I'm pleased to know that I can stick with you! Thanks for the great service, the speedy deliveries, and all of your feedback. You've made a loyal customer out of me! __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-24-08, 00:24	#15 (permalink)
Shadowlord Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 552	Hey Shroomer, I am going to pick some up ( Kratom ). Since you seem well pleased with KT here, I will go through him ( Them? ), what do you suggest strain wise to start off with? Is the Tea Pleasant? or is it just something you down as quick as possible for the effects? If it is all in the effect I will just take capsules then. Any and all advice is much appreciated.

05-24-08, 00:53	#16 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 201	I like the Bali because it gives me an opiate like euphoria. It is the cheapest kind they sell as well. Thai has more of a stimulant effect. KT botanicals just lowered the price of Indo. It is more expensive then Bali but is said to be more potent. I don't know much about making the tea, but I do know that many people seem to enjoy it. ANd I know that it has a stronger effect but for a shorter period of time. I prefer capsules because I don't like tea, and I think its easier. Do a search for kratom on Mycotopia. There has been alot of Kratom info posted here. __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-24-08, 01:32	#17 (permalink)
KTBotanicals Mycotopia Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 93	I also have some extremely high grade pedicularis densiflora material that was just harvested last week! I doubt that anyone could ask for higher quality Pedicularis than my current stock: __________________ KTBotanicals.Com 6,000 Ethnobotanical Products!

05-24-08, 14:39	#20 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 201	I ordered me some! Never even heard of it before. It looks like some crazy purple weed. __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-25-08, 13:52	#21 (permalink)
billybee Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	wow Yummy,,there beautiful.

05-25-08, 18:28	#22 (permalink)
Glock22 Mycophage Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 104	i'm not a smoker how else can this be taken, tea or capsules maybe?

05-25-08, 18:33	#23 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 201	Its hard to find info on pedicularis densiflora. There is nothing on erowid or lycaeum about it. What little I have found on some random forums has gotten me excited to try it though. Plus that picture... it just looks delicious. __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-25-08, 18:35	#24 (permalink)
JohnQShroomer Serial Shroomer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 201	From what I have read the pedicularis densiflora can be drank as a tea. Sounds like it is more commonly smoked though. __________________ "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries."

05-25-08, 18:41	#25 (permalink)
billybee Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	tea glock22 Ive had more success with tea then I have smoking. I like to use 7-9 grams for a strong dose. Im sure thoe that might be a little much with fresh material like Tyler has. I would start 4-5 grams and wait maybe 45min or so and see if you might want to up it a bit from there.

05-25-08, 20:01	#26 (permalink)
Glock22 Mycophage Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 104	cool guys thank you, i'll try the tea method soon.

05-27-08, 16:39	#28 (permalink)
camMyco Modified Honey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,072	/me pulls up a chair for the thread __________________ William Blake’s poem: “If the doors of perception were to be cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is: infinite”.

05-27-08, 17:21	#29 (permalink)
billybee Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	A friend of mine says he gets a good extract with a simple alcohol extraction. (Im sure a water extraction would work to) The bad thing is,,Ive read that tolerance can build up very quickly with these plants. Latter this week ,,I want to try an alcohol extraction and dry it on a nice mix of mullein/i.warrior and add a couple drops of pure vanilla for flavor.(Ill going with 10 grams indian warrior and fuse it on to 2 grams.) If anyone has any suggestions or thoughts feel free to pm me. take care, billybee __________________ "I dont do drugs,,I am drugs" S.Dali

05-27-08, 17:32	#30 (permalink)
Shadowlord Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 552	Are you going to extract the Kratom or the pedicularis densiflora mentioned above? Making cookies or cakes from this stuff? So many things to try! Last edited by Shadowlord : 05-27-08 at 17:41. Reason: Googled indian warrior.

05-27-08, 18:12	#31 (permalink)
the_chosen_one Darth Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,159	thanks billybee lol, we should call this thread "botanicals from KT Botanicals". haha! i'm with ya shadowlord! i already went on a small shopping spree __________________ "Luck favors the observant." - Workman