Clean Mesc. The difference.

[Pedestrian]

" So I have been playing a lot with this and have been shocked at the differences between yellowish to slightly off-white Mesc HCL thats been simply harvested from solvent pulls and super white mescaline that has been acetone rinsed after being pulled from the solvent, air dried, re-crystalized in MEK, and acetone rinsed once again, and air dried till no odor is present as the final step.

My experiences with the slightly yellow to off white mescaline have no doubt been great. Approx. 250-300 mg of this kind of product can treat you with a very interesting experience approaching the slightly intense level.

Now after making some of the product mentioned above extremely pure through re-crystallization and rinses, there was admittedly a bit of disappointment with the apparent loss of weight of the product. However, upon later experimentation I found there to be no real loss at all because of the decrease in the weight of the cleaned product to the original. This is because not only was the final product EXTREMELY potent but the type high and trip achieved was far better as far as ease of mind and experience go. There was practically NO body load like there was with the off white mescal. It was a completely cerebral experience which left me feeling like a million bucks after it was over.

What was considered a decent trip in the past on 250-300 mg of the off-white mescal, was totally blown away by simply having a small 180 mg dose of this super pure mescal. The trip on 180 mg was almost overwhelming at times. It was a very clean, beautiful and magical journey that lasted at least 8 hours. I can't imagine what 300-400 mg of this super clean mescal would be like.


What made it possible to get this super clean product?
The right tools.

Having the right equipment isn't that hard these days. If you can get you're hands on most of the tools that tregar uses in his Mesc Hcl Re-xtlaization (Re-crystallization of mescaline hcl attempt w/photos) thread you'll be set.

Once you go potent..... you never go back.

Happy tripping."


-SWIM

[tregar]

Thanks pedestrian, excellent report.

in the future i'll be experimenting with more easy handheld gassing and/or recrystallizations etc.

i was hurt in serious industrial accident several weeks ago, currently healing, so wont be experimenting for quite a while.

keep up the good work.

i've found the trips very potent also. As little as 200mg induced several hours of hilarity & laughter/music enhancement in both subjects for several hours (just off the post gassed product no recrystallization)

The recrystallized product is very nice, no doubt. a Recent trip was incredible off recrystallized.

Glad you had a magical experience off 180mg hcl, that's a dose amount of the clean stuff i enjoy immensely also.

[golly]

Hope your well soon Tregar...

Looks like the re-crystalization tek is Kickin ...
Congrats Ped..!!
Hope to be playing with this too, by seasons end ..If there are any improved or alternate methods - i'de love to hear em...

[tregar]

Thanks Golly. hope to be much better in month or so. broken bones & open wounds that have to be cleaned several times a day sucks royally & hurts & swells but after a while you just learn to grin and bear it.

Just when i was tapering off pain pills had to go and get into another accident. here we go again. I feel like a motorcycle stunt man.

It is possible to simply gas the mescaline freebase with a few puffs, then rinse product with acetone x 3 times and re-evaporate from water to get beautiful white mescaline. simple & efficient.

Its of course possible to go beyond that and re-crystallize it, but of course not really necessary unless you're into that kind of thing.

I unfortunately lost over 10 grams of product a while back due to a spill, but live & learn as they say.

safety always!!!

The late DM Turner:

THE HIGH:
The mescaline experience is my favorite of the traditional psychedelics (LSD, psilocybin, mescaline). I find it has the advantages of acid: a lucid, penetrating, focused ability of the mind, rather than the more dreamy, drifting state I get from mushrooms. However, I feel totally relaxed with mescaline, even calmer than I feel on mushrooms, and there's no trace of the metallic edge usually felt on acid.

Eating whole cactus produces a more body-oriented high than pure mescaline. San Pedro usually produces a very smooth, flowing experience. However, the effects of Peyote are quite different due to its unique mixture of alkaloids. With Peyote, the first couple hours of the experience are very dream-like, drifting, almost a delirium type state. During this time I feel groggy and sleepy and can do little more than lay back and sink into the feeling, which is not unpleasant. Some element of Peyote also acts as an emetic, making most people nauseous about two hours into the trip.

I find the mescaline experience to be more visual than mushrooms or acid. However, I've only experienced really spectacular visuals when using synthetic mescaline. My high tolerance to most psychedelics, along with the capacity of my stomach, has prevented me from ever being as high as I would have liked when eating whole cactus. Like psilocybin, mescaline tends to link me with collective evolutionary consciousness more than synthetics like LSD. The experiences produced by these natural psychedelics seem more "significant" than an acid high, which is more analytical. An acid high often seems to be a by-product of magnifying the mind, whereas with mushrooms and cactus one feels they are in touch with something ancient, spiritual, and personal. Mescaline has a unique signature in this context which I find most magical, a feeling that the Gods or protective allies are smiling down on me. The duration can be 6 to 14 hours depending on the amount consumed. The "coming back" portion of a mescaline trip is smoother than with the other traditional psychedelics. And I've never felt the "drained of energy" or "neural overload" feeling that can come after an intense acid trip. This allows for a more conscious and therapeutic return to regular consciousness, after which I can easily sink into sleep and wake up feeling refreshed.

Some aspects of the mescaline high are quite distinct from LSD or mushrooms. The visions produced by mescaline have a different character and structure. When being overtaken by a full strength mescaline trip, I've felt more than with any traditional psychedelic that I was an extraterrestrial being, immersing myself in new sensory phenomena for the first time. Where LSD or psilocybin heighten and clarify the sense of hearing, mescaline produces auditory hallucinations, heightening the hearing sense but also causing sounds to be quite different than normal. Mescaline also sharpens the olfactory sense to a much finer degree than LSD or psilocybin. I've particularly noted this in my ability to perceive the smells of numerous different plants when using synthetic mescaline outdoors. As for aphrodisiacal use of mescaline, wow!, it brought energies out of me that I never knew I had.

At the conclusion of this chapter is one of my favorite descriptions of a psychedelic experience. It illustrates the depth and spiritual significance that a mescaline experience can produce. This is a description of a Peyote experience which Bernard Roseman undertook with members of the Native American Church in the late l950s. It was published in The Peyote Story, Wilshire Book Company, 1963.

[tregar]

Pedestrian, when I mentioned to others what a potent & beautiful trip happened with only 200mg of the clean hcl product, many did not believe it possible with so low a dose, but it happened with both of us, very cerebral like you state, very similar to strong fresh acid at about 1 to 1.5 hit. We were very high yet completely relaxed and laughing (often uncontrollably) for hours. No mind fuck no paranoia, just crystal clear clarity....the brain becomes more acutely aware of existence and perceptions are unbounded yet we were totally grounded and in the moment. The slightest joke does not go unnoticed and empathy is heightened.

The psychedelic state is magical. Both hemispheres of the brain communicate to each other better. The right hemisphere gains more of the stage finally. You become smarter. We laughed at the absurdement of commercials and the comedy movies we watched ("waiting" and "election") above all it was fun as teared rolled out of our eyes from the hilarity of the movies. Laughter is good medicine. You don't need acid if you have good Mescaline . Mescaline (after the comeup) makes you laugh alot as well as relax. Music perception, colors, people, movies, tv, vacation memories, nature all become infinitely more interesting. Love is the outcome.

We saw a commercial for "ITT" school on tv where the guy comes home to his mom on a motorcycle and states how much his life has improved the whole time his buckteeth gleaming, we laughed uncontrollably and nearly died laughing. Sure its not funny normally but in our state it was absurd.
I have a book from the 60's where professor Zaechner laughed for so many hours after taking mescaline that each question from the "mescaline interviewers" just elicited more laughter. You see the absurdness of everyday life and its great. Life is about love & family & friends and spirituality & health but everyday life seems to drown us in a sea of mundaness and absurdity. We monkeys may think we're in control of everything but it's God who's ultimately in control.

Dr. Shulgin page 704 of Pihkal:

With 350 mg of the sulphate of mescaline.... I experienced the desire to laugh hysterically at what I could only describe as the completely ridiculous state of the entire world....The perfectly ordinary people on their perfectly ordinary errands were clearly the most cleverly contrived set of characters all performing all manners of eccentric activities for our particular hilarity and enjoyment...

[Caljet666]

The last bit of purity seems to make the most difference with these type of compunds. Swim recomends people learning the steps, not just for educational learning, but for the added 300% effect from the finished product.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by golly

Hope to be playing with this too, by seasons end ..If there are any improved or alternate methods - i'de love to hear em...

Im sure we can improve the current method.... or at least the explanation of the procedure... The teks out there are real good, but can always get better. It seems like there's a lot of variation in the amount of sodium hydroxide for different teks. I would like to see a bit more light shined on this area and explained... I know its rough when you don't have a pH meter and such tools, but there must be a typical amount. Some say to use 10 Oz. of lye per kilo of cacti and some say to use 27 Oz. per kilo. Personally, thats a bit too wide of a spectrum for my tastes. I shall do some research into this and hope to find a better answer.

Originally Posted by Caljet666

not just for educational learning, but for the added 300% effect from the finished product.

It seems thats the case... Its effects are compounded the closer you get to 100%

[tregar]

me! (original pioneer of recrystallized mescaline) used to believe that the "compactness/density of the crystal matrix" of the purified mescaline had something to do with it's potency, I wonder if he was onto something.

me! nov 2 2006:

I am flabbergasted and stunned into a state of utter speechlessness.

time and time and time again, I’ve said that pure mescaline HCl in crystalline form is better than sanchez of any stripe…

the drug I consumed last night was the strongest hallucinogen I have ever used. I cannot begin to recall all the times I’ve tripped on mescaline.

this batch is Special.

all these hours later… I am still tripping. how long now? 16 hours, maybe?

its going to last a full 24.

it was smooth as the glass in which we constructed the Matrix… utter absence of body load (except the yummy parts…)… it was pure mind and soul… 100% immersion into the

One.

color. mescaline is the most colorful of all drugs except possibly dmt.

Jan 3 2006 me!:

i just do not know how to express how radically potent this stuff is in this form. It seems to be nearly twice as strong as when not crystalized

May 12 2006 me!:

potency increases with the density of the crystal matrix... mirror smooth clear needles are 100% pure or as close as one can ever get...

Interesting read on Impurities and LSD:

How do these impurities change the optimum course of action of LSD and the experience it creates? One of the theories is that, because d-LSD-25 is like a key (its outer electron shell has a specific shape), it fits into a number of tiny locks called "receptor sites." These are located somewhere in the brain - nobody is sure where, but one theory suggests that they might be in the brain stem. It is known, however, that these receptor sites interact only with extremely specific molecular configurations.

The various ergot compounds, cycloalkamides of LSD and lumi-LSD plug into the same receptor sites as LSD does. But these compounds evidently don't turn the lock in the smooth, clean manner of LSD. Many of these compounds have effects similar to symptoms of ergot poisoning - the St. Anthony's Fire of he Middle Ages. These symptoms include inflamed joints, headaches, nausea, and hot and cold flashes.

Isomers of LSD are another possible contaminant and indeed are reported present by the drug analysis groups. There are four possible isomers of LSD, but only the d-lysergic acid diethyl amide form is active. The other rotation forms - l-lysergic acid diethyl amide, d and l iso-lysergic acid diethyl amide (contrary to recent reports!) - are inactive. they have no pharmacological role, except possibly as a catalyst for some latent effect of LSD, or to block the action of LSD at the receptor site.

If a contaminated batch of diethyl amine is used in the manufacturing process, or if the chemist purposely decides to make them, LSD homologues might be present in the final crystal. Molecules similar to LSD in structure but with some addition, subtraction or rearrangement of action, homologues plug into the same keyhole that LSD does.

Some of these homologues have profound effects that vary in course of action and potency. For example, the strongest of he homologues, ALD-52, has 91 percent the potency of LSD and is said to have a slightly different effect upon the mind (there is some dispute about this).

However, as Albert Hoffmann puts it in "Drugs Affecting the Central Nervous System": LSD has the highest and most specific effect and may therefore be considered as the genuine prototype of psychotomimetic compounds."

Thus, all impurities found in LSD are like imperfect keys. Such substances as ergot alkaloids, cycloalkamides and other lysergic acid derivatives, and LSD homologues and lumi-LSD are drugs that might open the door par way. But only pure LSD opens the doors of perception all the way.

In addition to manufactured impurities, impurities can also arise from decomposition of LSD. Dr. Albert Hoffmann points out in his paper "The Chemistry of LSD": "The free base as well as the tartrate of d-lysergic acid diethyl amide, like all lysergic acid derivatives, is very sensitive to light and oxidizing agents. All preparations must be stored carefully, protected from light and from oxygen of the air, to prevent them from being destroyed within a short time."

Even if, by some chance, an underground batch were made pure, it would turn to bunk in time, especially if put in conventional underground packaging (blotter or windowpane) that does not protect it from light or air. Pharmaceutical LSD is stored in vacuum vials in nitrogen gas. A pure, viable form of black-market LSD should find its way to the consumer in a tablet coated with pure, inert buffering material or in a vacuum vial, but this expensive packaging is certainly not reconcilable with dealing for profit.

Why is it that most of he underground LSD in the United States is made wrong? There are several other possible explanations. One chemist, for instance, told me that it was "because all the pros ar out of the field." That is to say, most underground chemists, whether motivated by altruism or greed, are incompetent to manufacture pharmaceutical-grade chemicals.

Moreover, they often lack the money to buy the complicated equipment necessary to produce pharmaceutical-grade materials or to test their final product properly.

Paranoia, too, can lead to faulty manufacture. A chemist often doesn't have the time to do a full scale procedure, or will take shortcuts to limit possible exposure to bursts.

It would help if street-drug analysis groups perfected their methods of analysis. Many such groups do not have samples of the impurities that can exist in street acid, and are therefore unable to identify them.. In addition, their testing techniques are not up to the exacting task of determining the nature of their samples. Most rely on thin-layer chromatography, which can show only that LSD exists in a sample,, but not all of he other impurities lurking there.

In a private correspondence, Dr Alexander T. Shulgin, a professor of toxicology at the University of California at Berkeley commented:

In the usual analysis of LSD (such as done at PharmChem Foundation) one chromatographs an extract of the suspected drug, observes the resulting separation under UV light, and then sprays the plate with some color-generating agent such as paradimethylaminobenzaldehyde (PDAB). If there are impurities present that fluoresce (such as lysergic acid or iso-LSD) and that have mobility in the chromatographic separation, they will be seen. If impurities are present that have the intact indole-2-hydrogen atom, they will give blue to purple colors with PDAB. Both tests require, of course, that there are amounts present sufficient to be seen. But if the impurity does not fluoresce (as is known to occur with lumi-LSD or any of the photoaddition products) or will not react with PDAB (as would be found with 2-substituted impurities such as 2-oxo-ergots), then they (the impurities) would remain invisible. It is completely possible that an LSD sample could be grossly contaminated with impurities and, if they did not give any response to one of these two tests, it is highly likely that their presence would never even be suspected.

Again, it would be helpful if street-drug analysis groups started looking for by-product impurities and established criteria for psychedelic chemical purity. They must stop labeling their impure samples "LSD", a habit that suggests purity and thereby creates much confusing in the public mind and among drug writers. Instead they must clearly distinguish between street acid and pure, pharmaceutical LSD. And if they cannot afford the equipment to test LSD (mass spectrometers and electron microscopes), then they should let the public know about their true capacities. For that matter, none of the commercially sold drug-testing kits is capable of determining purity.

Many early LSD users later gave up on acid and tried other methods of consciousness-expansion as available LSD became impure. They thought that LSD did not work any more, or blamed their heads, not realizing it was a change in the nature of the actual chemical. Thus, the increasing number of impurities led many people to repress the mystical experiences they had had, and retreat to a comfortable, "cool" conformity. Or they turned to Eastern gurus and Jesus movements.

I suspect that impurities give people body trips (euphoria) rather than the pure mind trips of LSD (ecstasy). People turned to other euphoria-producing drugs (pot is on of these) because street acid fell into the realm of dishonest dealing games and lost the spiritual qualities of LSD. Just the fact that LSD did not work any more led people into attempts to escape from the all-too-static reality via coke, pot, tranquilizers, alcohol and smack.

As experiences changed, the emphasis among the makers and distributors of LSD changed. In the beginning, the main motivation was spiritual - to turn people on. Much LSD was given for free, and dealing was just an amateur pastime. As LSD became another in a long list of body drugs, avarice polluted the spiritual stream.

The real responsibility for all this lies not with the underground, or even the public, victims of brainwashing with beer and TV, but with the government. Today, a small elite of government-sanctioned scientists controls LSD in the United States. Despite the good their limited research does, their exclusive and narrow-sighted use of these drugs seems sad in the face of the much greater good that psychedelics could do if more widely used. Many suggestions for more rational use include making LSD a prescription drug, creating LSD centers or making LSD a patent medicine.

The psychedelic movement, which has been in eclipse for ten years, will remain dormant until people can get LSD of known strength and purity. Until then, if you are an acidhead, chances are you've never taken LSD.

Persona:

The impurities within extracted cactus definitely can have a negative effect on the trip.

Having assayed both, I can say this from experience, as well as from a theoretical standpoint.

While it is true that losses will be greater purifying your product, the end result is a product that is cleaner, healthier, and overall more enjoyable.

I'd rather eat a little bit of black caviar than a lot of salmon caviar.

The losses from purification, if done properly, should be no more than 10-15%. Well worth it.

Edit: Oh yeah, and increasing the purity of a substance may or may not increase potency, depending on the impurities present. In this case, I would say that there is a but small increase in potency per fixed amount of weight - but that tiny increase is in part due the negation of the effects of the other alkaloids, so while quantitatively the increase was very small, qualitatively the increase was large.

I think tregar's post is an excellent affirmation of this.

Of course, he is one lucky person to get effects off such small doses. I think I could do full public appearance on any dose up to 400mg. Above that, I begin to get "real" effects.

200mg... I don't think I'd get much of anything on that. I wish I did though, mescaline is so damn impotent compared to other psychedelics.

The 200mg dose we both took had us laughing at everything and tripping hard, no public appearances for us on this dose! Mescaline like LSD is a key that fits into very specific receptor sites (perhaps in the brain stem), so the clean stuff may just fit a little bit better (see post above on LSD & impurities). Only 0.2 % of ingested mescaline actually reaches the brain, just as a very tiny amount of LSD actually enters the brain. Then it is gone very rapidly from the brain...thus the chain reaction of new perceptions is initiated and carried out by the brain all on its own. It is just a key that switches your brain onto a higher perception level, quite amazing.

[raveneye]

Back in the good ol days I had a hookup for clean LDS directly from the guy who made it and he used little rice flour pellets for the doses. He claimed also to actually grow the ergot and it had something to do with originally coming from the Ukraine after they opened up Russian. I am agreeing with everything about purity and the spiritual access key. This stuff was so clean that you could hardly tell you were on it until you catch something leaving tracers and you would remember that you had dropped 1 hr ago. Great for first timers. No body high at all just pure head space. Like something just popped the top of your skull off and let the receiver get a good clean signal. You could almost sleep on the stuff. I had 100 hits of the stuff and did about 3/4 of them myself. Yes this was the stuff that turned me off LSD afterward. There was and has been nothing that even comes close to the clean cerebral high. Fresh San Pedro juice is as close as I have found since. I did major work on myself with this stuff. And then later became frustrated and lost interest in entheogens all together because of the crap that was out there. Anyway IMO clean makes a huge difference. When you are trying to separate your consciousness from your body, body load is a big factor in my book.
CLEANER IS BETTER.

[mydarling]

tregar, thanks for sharing your mescaline experience a few posts up. it sounds really really lovely. i'd be very interesting in trying mescaline....

[tregar]

Thanks raveneye for sharing, very interesting.

Your welcome mydarling. Just follow foaf's tek (I do and works great) or follow waylitjim's tek both from "the new vaults" here at the topia, and you will have access to a lifetime of beautiful psychedelic headspace. Mescaline contains "alot of light" just as LSD does, I've never heard of a bad mescaline trip. Aldous Huxley and poet Junger were right (both took mescaline multiple times at high doses and had nothing but praise for it). I follow foaf's tek to the letter and use a glass carboy except when I get ready to salt, I gas the dried xylene with mescaline freebase with a few puffs of hcl gas, and presto white mescaline just as soon as it is acetone rinsed x 3 times and re-evaporated from hot water on a dish under a fan.

Space your dose out by taking 1/2 of it right away and the rest of it 1/2 to 1 hour later and you can also take a dramamine with it as Dr. Shulgin often does to eliminate or reduce early feeling of nausea, though I don't experience any nausea at 240mg or less so far, but I space my dose out over an hour's time.

Excellent topic pedestrian and caljet666, as always thanks for your input!

A few random quotes to encourage further reading:

From page 26 of "Trout's Notes on San Pedro & related Trichocereus species" by Keeper of the Trout & friends:

The experience is a beautiful and fairly controllable one and lacking the overwhelming distortions and ego-death potentially encountered with a strong dose of LSD. I personally do not know anyone who has had a bad time with true Mescaline unless it was mixed with large amounts of alcohol.

From page 102 of "Pharmacotheon" by Jonathan Ott:

It is also difficult to ingest San Pedro or other Trichocereus species. Besides being bitter, San Pedro has a strange consistency of "sandy jelly." The bitterness is unavoidable, since one must ingest enough cactus flesh to contain at least a half a gram of Mescaline , an intensely bitter substance, which is accompanied in the cactus by many other bitter alkaloids. However romantic it seems, this "organic" means of ingesting Mescaline is in my opinion strictly for the masochists and penitents. Many novice user succumb to the fate of William James, viz. they become so sickened by the taste of the drug that they cannot stomach enough to know the delights of a visionary dose of mescaline.

From page 508 of "The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" by Christian Ratsch:

I have carried out experiments with varying dosages of Trichocereus pachanoi powder. With 1 g, I did not experience any effects. Two to 4 g produced a mild stimulation that persisted for approximately six to eight hours. This amount functions as a true tonic and restorative. I have also experimented with this dosage in the high mountains, where I noticed a distinct improvement in performance. If a person eats something during the time in which the effects are felt, the effects will increase as digestion begins.

With amounts of 5 to 6 g, empathogenic sensations appear alongside of the tonic qualities. Ten grams of the powder are unequivocally psychedelic, although few hallucinations occur. The psychedelic effects manifest more in the emotional domain. Very profound psychedelic effects an be achieved by taking some 50 ug of LSD with 10 g of San Pedro powder (cf. Ergot alkaloids).

I have to agree that the restorative tonic qualities of 60 to 140mg of Mescaline hcl (very low dose) are very unique and welcome, lasting some 6 to 8 hours just as Ratsch states.

Robert Forte interview with Gordon Wasson in October 1985 from page 78 of "Entheogens & the future of Religion":

Robert Forte: "Have you ever tried LSD ?"

Gordon Wasson: "No."

Quote from Junger on page 173 of "LSD, my problem child" by Albert Hofmann, Ph.D:

These were the earthy mushrooms (after Hofmann, Junger & friend had a dark trip on mushrooms that run awry). More light was hidden in the dark grain that burst from the ear, more yet in the green juice of the succulents on the glowing slopes of Mexico...[Translator's note: Junger is referring to LSD, a derivative of Ergot , and Mescaline , derived from the Mexican peyotyl cactus.]

Albert Hofmann (page 174):

The mushroom substance had carried all four of us off, not into luminous heights, rather into deeper regions. It seems that the Psilocybin inebriation is more darkly colored in the majority of cases than the inebriation produced by LSD. The influence of these two active substances is sure to differ from one individual to another. Personally, for me, there was more light in the LSD experiments that in the experiements with the earthy mushroom, just as Ernst Junger remarks in the preceding report.

Easy to tell Dr. Hofmann is very fond of LSD (so am I).

DM Turner:

The Mescaline experience is my favorite of the traditional psychedelics (LSD, Psilocybin , mescaline). I find it has the advantages of acid: a lucid, penetrating, focused ability of the mind, rather than the more dreamy, drifting state I get from mushrooms. However, I feel totally relaxed with Mescaline , even calmer than I feel on mushrooms, and there's no trace of the metallic edge usually felt on acid.

I have nothing against mushrooms, have had many beautiful experiences with them, just showing some info from the literature that's hard to find...I find mescaline and LSD much more similar than mushrooms compared with LSD.

me! (November 2006):

"compare and contrast LSD and mescaline"


(When I was in college, I actually wrote a term paper for freshman English 101 about an LSD trip I experienced! The professor was in his early 70's and quite conservative but he gave me an A!)

you've done both drugs yourself so you know how the two are similar.

truthfully, it would require me many, many, many hours to put together such a piece of writing and my heart just isn't in it right now and may not ever be... for whatever reason, I have something akin to "writer's block" when it comes to that topic.

the ultra pure samples and the dirty brown ones are both mescaline and there is no mistaking that they are the same drug but the really pure stuff is significantly more potent, has a much longer duration, and criies very much less of a body load...

mek crystalization is the way to go with this drug. Those who fail to make use of this technique are going to rob themselves of the opportunity to experience mescaline full strength.

the drug we are in possession of is not even the same shit as normal brown/tan mescaline HCl.

this stuff is better than LSD. lasts much longer without having to be extended by amphetamines. it is very nearly as strong (in terms of how far out there it takes you...) as DMT.

its easy to make. boil your crude in mek. shove it in the freezer. collect crystals. thats all there is to it.

everyone complains about how hard it is to find LSD. who needs it??? this shit is better and we do not need a criminal organization to dole the stuff out to us for profit when and where they see fit to show up and collect our money.

ANYONE can make the same stuff that we made with a minimum of effort.

have you noticed how mescaline comes in "waves"? I mean after one takes it it repeatedly keeps building up to "mini-peaks", then levels off for a bit then takes off again until another (higher) mini-peak...

ok maybe this is what you are asking about... LSD seems to build up to its peak in a linear time dependant fashion where as mescaline builds up to its peak in a manner that would be described mathematically as a non-continuous function... it builds for a while up to a plateau then holds at that level for a bit, then starts rising again until another plateau is reached where the cycle starts again... each plateau is signiicantly "higher" than the one before... this repeats many, many times during the trip on both the up and the down sides of the peak... LSD, on the other hand goes up and then it goes down...

the plateau thing is to me one of the defining characteristics of mescaline, regardless of how pure or not the sample may be... even when one eats raw unprocessed San Pedro collected fresh (it is ungodly awful tasting!), the mescaline still behaves in this manner...

another thing about mescaline is that the visuals are (for me anyway) considerably more colorful than LSd's...

oh my god, didnt i say i wasnt going to write about how the two compare?

LOL

i love both drugs but mescaline is my favorite of all the drugs I've ever used.

... mescaline is truly uncommonly clear and colorful... it has the most amazing way of healing conflicts and bringing peace...

swim's background was also LSd for many years before ever trying mescaline for the first time... for a long time, he struggled to determine which of the drugs were "stronger"... he knows now beyond any doubt that highly purified mescaline HCl is exactly equivilant to LSD... in terms of depth of psychadelic immersion brought on by the substance in question... mescaline lasts longer...

yes, LSD and mescaline mesh beautifully... as do psilocin/lsd/mescaline all three...

each combination is a thing unto itself but at the same time, one gains clearer understanding of each individual component of the trip...

mescaline is more colorful than anything but DMT but dmt color and mescaline color are not comparable... they are different...

swim loves mescaline!!.

[raveneye]

I've played with em all and mescaline is without a doubt my favorite. The colors, connection and exploding fractal patterns are way beyond description with words. I have for the last 15 yrs done most all my trips in solitude high in the mountains or out in the desert and the mescaline lets you deeply connect with the ancient level of our consciousness that pervades all things natural. IMO it truly gets you in touch with the all pervasive consciousness or spirit know to the native peoples as wonka tonka or the great spirit. A key to unlock sounds about right. I would encourage any human that is in denial (as I was for years) to try this experiment for themselves. This is the connection or disconnection rather that has ultimately led us to the current dilemma that we are dealing with now and until people can open themselves up to this reality then we are going against the grain of nature and she(we) will eventually ruin us. We are her and she is us. Tregar you have done your homework! Nice work compiling all these quotes. These guys were all onto this concept but were most likely a little shy to go public with these rather off the wall thoughts from the scientific community. I grew up in MT with many friends that were native and these people never even question this connection with nature like us honky's. IMO this discovery is just nature using us to uncover and provide us with tools to get back on track and make this thing work. Matthew Kent founder of the Peyote Way Church said it all started for him when he was given some mescaline at a Jefferson Airplane show and told take it and go sit in the woods like a cat. This changed his life forever and the life of many others. I can not stress enough about the combo of mescaline and nature. Nice work. Keep on keepin on...............

[Fresh Brewed]

Have been pondering mesc for some time now, and after reading this thread I just ordered an 18" rooted san pedro. can't wait for it to arrive and get it growing...You guys are an inspiration.

[marvin gaye]

To refer back to the first few posts regarding pure mescaline HCl, what about mescaline sulfate? Ive read on a few TEKs that mescaline sulfate is insoluble in near 0c water, these TEKs involve extracting alkaloids with a sulfuric acid/water solution then allowing the solution to cool down to just above freezing causing (apparently) pure mescaline sulfate to precipitate out of the solution, could this not be an easier way of getting close to 100% pure mescaline?



Acid-Base Extraction of Mescaline from San Pedro

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see the extra bit by starlight at the bottom of this TEK

[tregar]

It is good that we remember me!...a man truly ahead of his time, unfortunately he lost to the war on drugs (not due to mesc but due to a different addictive substance).

Yes Marvin the sulphate is another method to get pure crystals, hcl or sulphate makes no difference, just depends on which route you like to do. You will need a very accurate ph meter and calibration solutions when making the sulphate, and just be careful so you don't burn your product by using too much sulfuric acid.

Great to hear that FreshBrewed. I would love to start growing some myself.

Thanks Ravin for the experiences! I would love to go out into Nature as you have done...Dr. Hofmann wrote extensively on his visits to Nature and gardens after taking acid or even the day after taking acid. The psychedelics reconnect us to Nature. Dr. Albert Hofmann (inventor of LSD) is one of my all time favorite authors...he is a very spiritual man just like yourself.

One of these days I plan to take low dose of mescaline have friend drive me and visit the rose gardens a few miles from here. My favorite all time spot are the cliffs overlooking the beach in Santa Monica, Calif. it is an incredible park full of plants and trees that overlook the beautiful beach with winding staircases that lead down to the sand. A 25 mile bike trail with benches & parks line the beaches from Venice to Malibu...I wish I lived there.

Raveneye said:

I've played with em all and Mescaline is without a doubt my favorite. The colors, connection and exploding fractal patterns are way beyond description with words. I have for the last 15 yrs done most all my trips in solitude high in the mountains or out in the desert and the Mescaline lets you deeply connect with the ancient level of our consciousness that pervades all things natural. IMO it truly gets you in touch with the all pervasive consciousness or spirit know to the native peoples as wonka tonka or the great spirit. A key to unlock sounds about right. I would encourage any human that is in denial (as I was for years) to try this experiment for themselves. This is the connection or disconnection rather that has ultimately led us to the current dilemma that we are dealing with now and until people can open themselves up to this reality then we are going against the grain of nature and she(we) will eventually ruin us. We are her and she is us. Tregar you have done your homework! Nice work compiling all these quotes. These guys were all onto this concept but were most likely a little shy to go public with these rather off the wall thoughts from the scientific community. I grew up in MT with many friends that were native and these people never even question this connection with nature like us honky's. IMO this discovery is just nature using us to uncover and provide us with tools to get back on track and make this thing work. Matthew Kent founder of the Peyote Way Church said it all started for him when he was given some Mescaline at a Jefferson Airplane show and told take it and go sit in the woods like a cat. This changed his life forever and the life of many others. I can not stress enough about the combo of Mescaline and nature. Nice work. Keep on keepin on...............

How true my friend you have hit the nail on the head...man must reconnect with nature.

Dr. Albert Hofmann:

I share the belief of many of my contemporaries that the spiritual crisis pervading all spheres of Western Industrial society can be remedied only by a change in our worldview. We shall have to shift from the materialistic, dualistic belief that people and their environment are sperate, toward a new consciousness of an all-encompassing reality, which embraces the experiencing ego, a reality in which people feel their oneness with animate nature and all of creation.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by raveneye

I've played with em all and mescaline is without a doubt my favorite. The colors, connection and exploding fractal patterns are way beyond description with words. I have for the last 15 yrs done most all my trips in solitude high in the mountains or out in the desert and the mescaline lets you deeply connect with the ancient level of our consciousness that pervades all things natural. IMO it truly gets you in touch with the all pervasive consciousness or spirit know to the native peoples as wonka tonka or the great spirit. A key to unlock sounds about right. I would encourage any human that is in denial (as I was for years) to try this experiment for themselves. This is the connection or disconnection rather that has ultimately led us to the current dilemma that we are dealing with now and until people can open themselves up to this reality then we are going against the grain of nature and she(we) will eventually ruin us.

Thats just what SWIM was thinking

All that he could think while on this very powerfully small dose was, "Man.... It would be nice to be in the jungle or mountains away from these closed minded walls, buildings, and people of typical society."


Glad to hear you're going to be growing some Fresh Brewed. The best food is the food you grow yourself.

[Shadowlord]

Thanks Pedestrian!
Great Thread. I am about to embark on my first extraction attempt and can't wait!
I have done LSD many times ( and will continue as long as I can find it! ) and 'Shrooms a few times although I was a bit disappointed. ( Need to make tea rather than eating them raw next time ) but have yet to have the pleasure of trying mescaline.
Unlike LSD, Mescaline extraction sounds like something I can do within the parameters of my skill and knowledge.
Even if some product is lost, the increase in potency and reduction of body discomfort makes it sound well worth the while. Especially as I will be doing this for myself and a few close friends and not for any type of profit.

Thanks again for the great thread/links!

[xerimyco]

Originally Posted by tregar

me! (original pioneer of recrystallized mescaline) used to believe that the "compactness/density of the crystal matrix" of the purified mescaline had something to do with it's potency, I wonder if he was onto something.

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potency increases with the density of the crystal matrix... mirror smooth clear needles are 100% pure or as close as one can ever get...

This is a misunderstanding. The proper term for the structure of a crystalline compound is "lattice". People confuse these terms, especially since the advent of LCD dispalys, that are often are reffered to as "liquid crystal matrix" dispalys. The "matrix" part has nothing to do with crystalline structue.

Crystallization is a powerful purifying technique. The reason for this has to do with the structure of the crystal, referred to as a lattice. To form a crystal, the individual molecules of the compound are arranged in a very regular, three-dimensional pattern. To form a crystal, the molecules must be arranged in this precise order, without any other types of molecules getting in the way.

Imagine a box full of two different kinds of legos, lego a and lego b. Lego a can snap on to another lego a, but not b. Lego b can snap onto other lego b, but not a. It is a big amorphous blob, a mixture of the two kinds of lego. Suppose you are after lego a. Lego b would be the impurity. Start building a lego lattice. As you assemble the lattice, the incompatible b legos will not fit into the a lattice. You can try to force it, but it will deform the lattice, making it no longer a lattice. If you only add lego a to the lattice, it will maintain the regular order of the lattice, and therefore the purity. This is why nice white, large, perfect crystals are so pure. If they had impurities (wrong kind of lego) they would be misshapen, and therefore not crystalline. Now, it is more complex than this, of course, but you get the idea.

As the pattern of the lattice does not vary, talking about a "increasing density" of the crystal doesn't make sense. The reason that the pure stuff is more potent is because it is more, well, PURE! (Just as a pint of whiskey is more potent than a pint of beer. The alcohol in both is identical, but the beer is mainly impurities (very yummy impurities, though!).) It has nothing to do with it being in crystalline form. You crystallize to make it pure, but the crystalline structure does not effect potency.

With mescaline from cactus, some of the other alkaloids are pretty similar, and can pollute the mescaline lattice, or form there own crystal lattices at the same time under the same conditions, forming a impure mixture of several crystalline compounds. The trick is to find conditions in which it is more conducive to mescaline crystal production than the formation of crystals of the impuities (MEK recrystallization is an example).

Another way is Tregar's brilliant filtering tek. He found that if he filtered his crude mescaline extract with a certain size filter, it separated the mescaline from the impurities. Apparently, during the formation of crystals during the salting phase of his procedure, the mescaline and the impuities both formed crystals, but of a different size, allowing for mechanical separation via filter.

I have found that people put a lot of effort into purifying techniques after the initial salting (acetone, etc.) This is ok, but is a lot of work. It is better to do the salting correctly. Most folks add WAY to much of the salting acid they are using, resulting in an impure product. They do this "to increase yeild", but as you guys note, what good is increased yeild of impurities? Using the correct molar amount of acid, (through titration or just experience, err on the side of two little acid) a fairly pure compound can be obtained on the first run. I think thats why you like gassing, Tregar, not because it's better than addition of an aqueous acid solution, but because it is harder to over-salt with this technique. Now, with that said, MEK recrystallization will obtain a VERY pure product, and is very little work.

As a side note, me! did a lot of good work on the internet boards, but to say: "me! (original pioneer of recrystallized mescaline)" kinda cracked me up! Maybe "internet pioneer" or something, but recrystallization is the standard technique for purifying compounds, and folks have been purifying mescaline this way since it's discovery around the turn of the last century.

As a last comment, someone mentioned mescaline sulfate. As correctly pointed out, the end product is almost identical (aside from a difference in molecular weights, necessitating a slightly higher dose of sulfate to get the same amount of mescaline). The main reason is that the sulfate salt is VERY easy to recrystallize in water, forming large, beautiful, very pure crystals with very little work.

As to the main point of this thread, yes, pure mescaline is THE KING of hallucinogens! Now if someone could go over to the Corroboree and convince them of this fact, you'd be doing them a service!

xerimyco