Kratom from seed?

[flowmytoe]

Hi people, I hope you all had a pleasant weekend!
I've ordered some Kratom seeds from an online flower shop (they were very hard to find) because live plants seem to unavailable wheer I live. Has anyone ever grown Kratom frrom seed? I need some info on the recommended ph level etc. also I need to know how to get them started the best way. Can I just put them onto some moist cotton ot tissues?
I'll start off indoors, the windows face south so there'll eb a lot of sun in the afternoon. Once they've grown a little I wanna move them to a friend who's got more space and can put them outside when its sunny.

[TAVITOUS T]

hi mate
i have managed without much trouble to germinate kratom seeds, if anything they have a too high germination rate so sow sparingly. I scattered the seeds onto trays of general purpose compost and gently pressed them into the surface using a suitable flat object. the trays were then covered with polythene and put somewhere where they got a good helping of diffuse light from my grow lamp. the secret is to keep them warm and humid, i believe their natural habitat is swampy tropical forest so definitely do not let them dry out and i wouldn't put them outside if you live in an area with low ambient humidity. i dont think that any special pH adjustments will be needed unless your planning on growing in a hydro system. the plants i reared in this way did fine without any special treatment until winter set in and i struggled to keep the cold at bay so i wish you better luck than me

[procell]

Originally Posted by flowmytoe

I've ordered some Kratom seeds from an online flower shop

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My buddy also ordered some a few days ago, hope they look like the pic you posted. Those look good to me. We also got a few live plants from an online auction and they turned out to be Birch Trees. Got all the money back minus the postage. Would you mind PMing me the shop where you got them? Just in case the ones coming are false.

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[flowmytoe]

well that doesn't sound too hard to manage! I'll get the stuff together and give it a shot. about the shop, it's german cuz I live in Germany but here' the link:
http://www.pflanzenkindergarten.de/a...es_id=&x=0&y=0

Sorry to hear about those Birch trees man, I hears there's fake Kratom around so I'm a little worried myself.

I don't know what Kratom seeds are supposed to look like and I've still to find out some more stuff but I'll just start a little grow log and to keep you updated. Wishing you a green thumb

thx

[golly]

They look like the real deal to me...Gluk...

[stormer88]

That looks like "Mitragyna parviflora" mellow gold seeds. Fake Kratom seeds that were going around some time ago. Kratom seeds look like little slivers.


"Mellow Gold" fake kratom seeds


Real Kratom seeds

I have many kratom seedlings. They are really easy to germinate. Since they are so small and need light you just sprinkle them on top of the soil and within about 7 days with high humidity you get tiny sprouts but those don't look anything like kratom seeds.

Kratom Research Information
http://www.wholesaleshamanicherbs.co...-speciousa.htm

[flowmytoe]

[quote=stormer88;525995]That looks like "Mitragyna parviflora" mellow gold seeds. Fake Kratom seeds that were going around some time ago. Kratom seeds look like little slivers.


Oh..so u reckon mine are fake ones? That's bad news mate, I was already a little suspicious because every shop I checked was sold out but the one I got mine from. I'll check the link you posted...thx

Do you happen to know a reliable source for seeds?

[golly]

I dunno, real K seeds come in very similar looking pods as viability is extended when held that way..I would still attempt germination to see what's up..If nothing else , it's good practice..
Can u take a close up of just the seeds..?

[stormer88]

Yes they do come in similar pods but each pod has about 100 seeds in them. it's doubtful that a vendor would sell 30 pods with 100 seeds each for 5 Euros. Seed pods usually go for 10 $ each. I checked out the sight and even e-mailed the vendor. Maybe they don't know they are selling fake kratom seeds.

As for a place to get kratom seeds. If you are in Germany I can only tell you to try e-bay. Thats were I got my seed pod from. I believe most vendors ship internationally and I got an excellent germ rate, about 40 seedlings from one pod.

[duaut]

Mellow Gold seeds for sure.
Those are not Mitragyna speciosa seeds sorry.
That person from Germany is still ripping people off after 5 years it seems.
When will people learn...
Kratom seeds are rare, those pods you have are nowhere even similar to real K seed pods.

[stormer88]

Yes it's really hard to get a hold of real kratom seeds. I still havn't gotten an answer from the guy. i probably never will. Most of the ethno vendors are always sold out. So your best bet is one of the various auction sights and always ask for a picture before you order. Thats saved me from buying many a fake Peruvian Torch.

[flowmytoe]

looks like the end of the line for now eh...one can always try and I'm eager to grow Kratom as I feel it will be illegalised some time.
Thank you all for the input it was very helpful
Should I eventually find a reliable source for seeds I'll let ya'll know.

[flowmytoe]

oh..BTW you still want that photo golly? the light isn't suitable right now but if you want I'll take one tomorrow.

[golly]

Reason i asked is ,apparently i got the same seeds as you last year,, but they never germinated..i thought the days of bogus seeds were behind us - i guess not...
The pic of the "real deal" is more usefull, i reckon ..
So no , not ness but thanx anyhoo...

[procell]

Originally Posted by stormer88

That looks like "Mitragyna parviflora" mellow gold seeds. Fake Kratom seeds that were going around some time ago. Kratom seeds look like little slivers.

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Are you 100% sure? It looks like the seed pods from the tree.
http://www.plantshaman.com/kratom.jpg
http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xcart/images/d_204.jpg
http://www.shamanspalace.com/images/...m_seed_pod.jpg

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[stormer88]

Here is a close up pic of Kratom seed pod and a close up pic of the seeds. To me they look similar but thats probably because they belong to the same species. They supposedly related. It's just that Mitragyna parviflora dosn't have the goodys that M. Speciosa does.





So I can pretty much 100% for sure tell you they are not kratom seeds. You also should take into account that a single seed pod usually goes for around 10$ if you can find them. Since they are so much in demand right now. I could see even 20$ per seed pod. Now I counted about 30-35 pods in his bag. If you think this vendor is gonna send at minimum 300$ in kratom seeds for 5 EUROS (approximatly 8$ US Dollars). You are sadly mistaken. I wish they were real. I hate to see people ripped off. Maybe when my kratom seedlings start to flower I will donate seed pods to people. However that probably won't happen for a couple years Mine are only 2 months old.

[procell]

Originally Posted by stormer88

Here is a close up pic of Kratom seed pod and a close up pic of the seeds.

So I can pretty much 100% for sure tell you they are not kratom seeds. .

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What are you looking at because they look the same to me. Those little spikes of the dried flower are the pods. If you broke that ball of pods open it looks exactly like the first picture. The picture you posted depicting seeds is just that, the seeds form a split pod, the first pic is just pods.

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[stormer88]

I'm not gonna split hairs on the subtle similarities. I realize I posted pics of seed pods and a single seed pod. But it's not un common for 2 memebrs of the same species to look somewhat close. for one thing we havn't been shown pics of the actual seeds them selves. I'm only commenting on the seed pods. now the way the seeds were Packaged I'm thinking that those seed pods were sold as seeds. Why else would the vendor add 30 in one pack. Every vendor out there that deals in kratom seeds that I know of sells either single seed pods alone with seeds intact. Or portions of a seed pod. Just the seeds but thats harder to do since they are so small.

Maybe "flowmytoe" could let us know if there was anything in the seed pods or post pics because what I took his post to mean was that those seed pods were sold as seeds. If that is the case whether they are actual kratom seed pods is irrelevant because you can't plant the seed pods themselves.

[stormer88]

Heres a some pics of my Red vein Thai Kratom at 2 months old.

[procell]

Originally Posted by stormer88

If that is the case whether they are actual kratom seed pods is irrelevant because you can't plant the seed pods themselves.

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That's my point, break a pod and find the seeds inside.

No?

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[stormer88]

Now that I think about it. it's rather weird that he didn't do that in the first place. The only explanation would to be my first observation. The seed pods were taken to be the actuall seeds. It's most likely that the vendor thinks they are seeds also. But since I e-mailed them with no response I'm sure they know what they have is bogus. Someone said earlier they have been doing this for 5 years now.

It's possible that the mellow gold seeds just look like seed pods. From what I've heard in the past. This fake kratom seed has always come in that size and look. So it's possible that what looks like a seed Pod is just seed. Because i have never heard of or seen picks of any other part of mellow gold seeds. Apparently they would be empty if you broke them open. I would think if they were seed pods pictures of the mellow gold seeds would have been posted long ago. This scam has been going on since 2002 started by Brandon Phillips of Ebotashop. I checked to see if they are still in business and it happens they are. I can't believe people would still do business with someone responsible for scamming so many people.

[stormer88]

"Flowmytoe" I'm gonna PM you with the link for my kratom seed person. I can tell you I got excellent viability and it's Red Vein Thai. They ship worldWide.

[procell]

Originally Posted by stormer88

The only explanation would to be my first observation. The seed pods were taken to be the actual seeds.

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Unless someone is selling unpollenated flower parts that never formed seeds. . .

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[stormer88]

Or they carefully removed the top that holds the seeds in and removed the seeds Or the seeds had already been released.. If you notice in the picture one of the differences of kratom seed pods to those pods is that the crown part that holds the seeds in is missing. If they happened to be real kratom seed pods the seeds had to have been extracted because none of them have the tops on them. If there were any seeds in them there wood of been tiny seeds all through the bag that had fallen out but I don't even see one.

Thats another reason I believe the seed pod looking things to be the actual seeds themselves. Mellow gold seeds. Apparently that is what Mellow gold seeds look like.

[flowmytoe]

Originally Posted by stormer88

"Flowmytoe" I'm gonna PM you with the link for my kratom seed person. I can tell you I got excellent viability and it's Red Vein Thai. They ship worldWide.

thanks again man! I haven't yet orderd any cuz I found this austrian vendor selling live plants that look pretty good to me. It's an ebay auction so I'll have to wait a few days for that to finish.

Any opinions on that photo?

[stormer88]

Looks nice I'd go for it. But growing from seed is much more fun. Also allot cheaper. People charge way to much for a plant. I've seen them go for as much as 90$. If you grow from seed your gonna get 30-40 plants and only spend 10$

[procell]

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Well, I got my pod and put it into a petri dish and carefully cut it open.
Inside I found nothing and complained to the vendor immediately.
His response was,

"The seeds are little hair like fibers inside the pod.
They don't look like typical seeds"

I was highly sceptical but after viewing under a microscope,
there are indeed small fibers with what looks to be small dark ovals in the center of each fiber.
Hope they germinate . . .

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[stormer88]

Yes, They look like slivers. I didn't need a microscope but when I opened my pod up at first I thought it was empty but right away noticed little sliver like seeds. You should get a big peat moss starter tray or something similar because once they germinate they will be clumped together. They are to small to put in seperate pots. I was able to put them in 3 seperate pots but it was difficult. I found that 1 big tray works best.

Don't try and transplant them until they are at least 1 month old. They will start off really slow.I hope you post some pics after they germ. I plan to post updates soon in my grow log.

good luck

[procell]

Originally Posted by stormer88

Yes, They look like slivers. They are to small to put in seperate pots. I was able to put them in 3 seperate pots but it was difficult. I found that 1 big tray works best.
good luck

Yeah, it was a real pain in the ass but I was able to put 2-3 "seeds" in each peat pot. If they germinate I'll post pics

[cap]

Originally Posted by stormer88

Heres a some pics of my Red vein Thai Kratom at 2 months old.

absolutely gorgeous!
if it werent my bday and i didnt have to clean the house for the company im havin over here soon id be nominatin it for pic of the mth and readin rest of the thread!

petri dish talk? are we talkin greenflasking?

are these similiar propogation procedures to that of orchids? looks a lot easier from here
looks a lot more like a weed plant then a orchid start! didnt know kratom were dicots!
amazing pictures. incredible botanical skill on your part also. couldnt have done it better myself (if i got off my lazy ass once in a while n tried )
i thank u again for posting them and for the valuable info contained within this thread and topia as a whole in regards to this 'miracle' ally

[cap]

if i were blessed with seeds id prolly try a few out in 50/50 orchid mix and promix hp or sunshine with maybe a pinch of castings added.
pretty much anything will explode in that mix shake er ez fellerz n ladieez

[stormer88]

They are pretty fun to grow. You just have to have patience and be very carefull at the beginning because they are very fragile. It's so easy to screw up and lose everything since they are so close to the soil for so long.

I'm just now acclimating them to regular air from high humidity. Some of them arn't looking it but for the most part they should be alright. Once they get around 2 months old and start a growth shoot. They can take much more stress. As long as that growth shoot stays intact they should be alright.

Thanks, I really suggest you get some seeds and give it a try. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do when they get really big but for now I'm alright.