insulfating DMT crystals

peacegrow · 05-21-08, 10:48

Is is possible to insulfate (snort) nnDMT crystals for a longer experience?

Suppose someone doesn't want to take MOAIs for various reasons, but wants to experience something longer than smoked DMT....what are the options.

That someone is also way too scared to IM or IV it....so that's out of the question.

The enema route would be a possibility, but does that really work. It seems pretty weird.

CoyoteMesc · 05-21-08, 11:56

No

Dmt must be heated and smoked.
Another way of feeling effects of DMT is too
mix with a MAOI. This is required if ingesting rather
than smoking.

So Aya. would be your best bet for a longer experience.
A much different trip iv heard. More spiritual and healing than
smoking.

eap · 05-21-08, 12:12

I have read a report of people ensulfalating dmt on a different forum of the the several post it was said that it works well but the main topic of the post was how it burns also they were using it in a freebase form there was also someone talking about sublinguily only 25% or so would absorb through the membranes in your mouth but this is just what ive read from other posters Ive also read that it cant be used iv and that is anything but true im not sure about the rules of linking to outside sites but if its ok ill give you the link if i can find it again

real_psily · 05-21-08, 12:15

I'm not saying you should use insufflating for admin, but isn't that how yopo works? So it may feel horrible and make you nauseous as hell, but it is a possible route of admin. Maybe look into DMSO topical admin. I do not know how the latter would effect duration. Seems as long as you can avoid first pass metabolism you are good.

rocketman · 05-21-08, 12:24

what about the youtube vid of the chick that did it rectally?

CoyoteMesc · 05-21-08, 12:25

real_psily · 05-21-08, 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketman

what about the youtube vid of the chick that did it rectally?

Thanks for the tip that was a fun watch LOL
600mg WOW

dpwishy · 05-21-08, 12:48

The person who introduced me to dmt, swore by ensulfalating. I remember him telling me it would take twice as much as smoked, but you were in dmt land much longer. I'm not sure if he used maoi every time, or what the deal was. But i know for sure it was his favorite delivery method for dmt, so i know its possible one way or another, just not sure if maoi is needed, i have personally never tried.

love, peace, compassion and respect
-wishy

cap · 05-21-08, 12:53

generally......anything that can be injected iv can be tooted up the shnozz

where did you find that information you posted, cm?

im not saying its the best way,
but theres no reason it wouldnt work. its probably innefficient compared to vaporizing
but it works. it will work under the tongue too but like poster #2 said it doesnt work that great.not worh doing over any other way imo.
i do it every time i load a bowl and have scraps...or too stoned and miss.

CoyoteMesc · 05-21-08, 12:56

I was thinking of ingestion by swallowing. I made a mistake. Your familiar with those eh cap?

cap · 05-21-08, 13:00

no need to be a jerk i was just asking where you got your info you posted because the site/book should be called out on it.

everyone makes mistakes. shit.

CoyoteMesc · 05-21-08, 13:14

I assumed by the six post following mine that it was apparent I had either misread something or made a mistake. After your post I posted 'your familiar with those' meaning 'everyone makes mistakes'.

Looks like a misunderstand on the context of the post.

Dont think Im attacking 'cap'.

peace love and harmony bro

cap · 05-22-08, 02:45

gimme a hug u scary ol wolf u

heyYOU · 05-22-08, 16:53

you can definitely put it up the nose.

100mg for decent effects
200mg for holy wtf wtf wtf just happened

and the whole dosage range in between is pretty linear.

CoyoteMesc · 05-22-08, 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by cap

gimme a hug u scary ol wolf u

Hehe

Quote:

In the timbers of Fennario
the wolves are running round
The winter was so hard and cold
froze ten feet neath the ground

Don't murder me
I beg of you don't murder me
Please
don't murder me

I sat down to my supper
T'was a bottle of red whiskey
I said my prayers and went to bed
That's the last they saw of me

Don't murder me
I beg of you don't murder me
Please
don't murder me

When I awoke, the Dire Wolf
Six hundred pounds of sin
Was grinnin at my window
All I said was "come on in"

Don't murder me
I beg of you don't murder me
Please
don't murder me

The wolf came in, I got my cards
We sat down for a game
I cut my deck to the Queen of Spades
but the cards were all the same

Don't murder me
I beg of you don't murder me
Please
don't murder me

In the backwash of Fennario
The black and bloody mire
The Dire Wolf collects his due
while the boys sing round the fire

Don't murder me
I beg of you don't murder me
Please
don't murder me

Thought I would talk to you deadhead style cappers..lol

SO, whats the lvl of the high compared to smoking? You need more you need less? The high is different the high is less intense?

Glasshopper · 05-22-08, 20:56

I snorted yopo many MANY years ago and it was an experience of a lifetime.
However....

OW!

Yes, you can do it but even the impure mix I did prepared by yanumani natives,
felt like someone lit a firecracker in my nostril.

mycobri · 05-22-08, 20:59

Yopo at least has soft inner seed inside it's husk
Epena Virola bark resin must really be hard to take in

the difference in duration of the experience
from insufflating DMT is interesting

cap · 05-22-08, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by mycobri

Yopo at least has soft inner seed inside it's husk
Epena Virola bark resin must really be hard to take in

dont think id even attempt it with a deviated septum

LOTS of clean water or saline before and after would be the best advice i could give to someone attempting to sniff shit like bark dust

them crazy indians!

man some practices of native peoples are mindfuckingly wild.....
from the practice of eating live maggots from the innards of fallen rotting trees
and considering the horrid explosion of gore in the mouth a delicasy( in the rainforests of SA)
to rockin out with yer cocks out sportin visciously tight 'penis gourds' 24/7
(living with the mek reference

great program! - indonesian (?) indiginous tribal 'right of passage'

.....ummmm....OUCH!?!?!...........FUCKIN G OUCH?!?!!!?!?!

)
americans of our generation eating mcdonalds for breakfast lunch and dinner is disguisting too tho!?

heyYOU · 05-23-08, 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

SO, whats the lvl of the high compared to smoking? You need more you need less? The high is different the high is less intense?

The come up is still very fast, although its a little more gradual than the vaporized catapult into hyperspace. Effects are felt about 3-5 minutes after insufflation, and about 5-10 minutes into, full effects are present.

The actual trip is very similar to vaporized, except you're up for much longer, so its easier to kind of realize whats going on, and integrate it as you go. Even in the very depths of the hyperspace, its possible to know that you're in hyperspace, whereas when on a break-through dose vaporized, you're up and down so quick, you seem to lose track of everything.

You're down in roughly an hour.

Phlux- · 05-23-08, 02:45

I Have read good things about dmso - compared to ur other options it seems like the plan.
snorting it - pain in the membrane
iv/im - nope
vapourizing - too short
maoi - u mentioned that u wouldnt want to
enema - "insert ure own excuse here"
nothing new in this post just a summary/timewaster(hopefully not)

heyYOU · 05-23-08, 10:03

dmt administration with dmso doesn't work.

there's a topic over at www.dmt-nexus where one of the posters tried it with several doses of the freebase, and also converted some into an HCl salt, to no avail.

i had a dream that i tried it with 60mg freebase before seeing that other topic. in my dream, my arm turned red and stung really bad for about 30 minutes. it was a very plain dream. no psychedelia.

extrememetal43 · 05-27-08, 02:58

should the freebase be converted to a salt before snortin it? even if it doesnt have to would it be more efficient? Also if converted to a salt would in convert to dmt acetate or dmt hydrochloride if using vinegar or muriatic acid respectively in the same way the mescaline extractions do when salted?

Defiance · 05-27-08, 07:07

DMT salts are highly hygroscopic and don't crystallize well at all. Shulgin himself only managed to get a solid after vacuum dessication, and he couldn't squeeze any crystals out of it. I'd try the freebase. I've heard of this working better with 5-MEO but that might be just because of the increased potency.

For the record Yopo contains mostly bufotenin, the amounts of DMT present probably aren't high enough to be active.

"Seven studies of 15 samples of Anadenanthera snuffs likewise showed bufotenine to be the only tryptamine present in significant amounts (up to 2.67%, with only traces of 5-MeO-DMT and DMT)"

From http://entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=9&z=8

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05-21-08, 10:48	#1 (permalink)
peacegrow Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 87	insulfating DMT crystals Is is possible to insulfate (snort) nnDMT crystals for a longer experience? Suppose someone doesn't want to take MOAIs for various reasons, but wants to experience something longer than smoked DMT....what are the options. That someone is also way too scared to IM or IV it....so that's out of the question. The enema route would be a possibility, but does that really work. It seems pretty weird.

05-21-08, 11:56	#2 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,087	No Dmt must be heated and smoked. Another way of feeling effects of DMT is too mix with a MAOI. This is required if ingesting rather than smoking. So Aya. would be your best bet for a longer experience. A much different trip iv heard. More spiritual and healing than smoking. __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

05-21-08, 12:15	#4 (permalink)
real_psily electron pusher Join Date: Aug 1972 Posts: 495	I'm not saying you should use insufflating for admin, but isn't that how yopo works? So it may feel horrible and make you nauseous as hell, but it is a possible route of admin. Maybe look into DMSO topical admin. I do not know how the latter would effect duration. Seems as long as you can avoid first pass metabolism you are good. __________________ Be informed, then choose. - Shulgin

05-21-08, 12:24	#5 (permalink)
rocketman GATE KEEPER Join Date: Feb 1971 Posts: 4,945	what about the youtube vid of the chick that did it rectally? __________________ "regret is the only way to lose the game." H3

05-21-08, 12:12	#3 (permalink)
eap Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 53	I have read a report of people ensulfalating dmt on a different forum of the the several post it was said that it works well but the main topic of the post was how it burns also they were using it in a freebase form there was also someone talking about sublinguily only 25% or so would absorb through the membranes in your mouth but this is just what ive read from other posters Ive also read that it cant be used iv and that is anything but true im not sure about the rules of linking to outside sites but if its ok ill give you the link if i can find it again

05-21-08, 12:25	#6 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,087	__________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

05-21-08, 12:48	#8 (permalink)
dpwishy A Fisher Of Souls Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 860	The person who introduced me to dmt, swore by ensulfalating. I remember him telling me it would take twice as much as smoked, but you were in dmt land much longer. I'm not sure if he used maoi every time, or what the deal was. But i know for sure it was his favorite delivery method for dmt, so i know its possible one way or another, just not sure if maoi is needed, i have personally never tried. love, peace, compassion and respect -wishy __________________ In a forest strewn with rubies, why fill one's sack with pine needles? Manifest on....

05-21-08, 12:53	#9 (permalink)
cap dead to the core......... Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,930	generally......anything that can be injected iv can be tooted up the shnozz where did you find that information you posted, cm? im not saying its the best way, but theres no reason it wouldnt work. its probably innefficient compared to vaporizing but it works. it will work under the tongue too but like poster #2 said it doesnt work that great.not worh doing over any other way imo. i do it every time i load a bowl and have scraps...or too stoned and miss. __________________ R.I.P. Hippie3

05-21-08, 12:56	#10 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,087	I was thinking of ingestion by swallowing. I made a mistake. Your familiar with those eh cap? __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

05-21-08, 13:00	#11 (permalink)
cap dead to the core......... Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,930	hey man no need to be a jerk i was just asking where you got your info you posted because the site/book should be called out on it. everyone makes mistakes. shit. __________________ R.I.P. Hippie3

05-21-08, 13:14	#12 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,087	a jerk? I assumed by the six post following mine that it was apparent I had either misread something or made a mistake. After your post I posted 'your familiar with those' meaning 'everyone makes mistakes'. Looks like a misunderstand on the context of the post. Dont think Im attacking 'cap'. peace love and harmony bro __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

05-22-08, 02:45	#13 (permalink)
cap dead to the core......... Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,930	gimme a hug u scary ol wolf u __________________ R.I.P. Hippie3

05-22-08, 16:53	#14 (permalink)
heyYOU Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 16	you can definitely put it up the nose. 100mg for decent effects 200mg for holy wtf wtf wtf just happened and the whole dosage range in between is pretty linear.

05-22-08, 20:56	#16 (permalink)
Glasshopper Dobbsian Lotek ŰßěřŃęrđ Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,038	I snorted yopo many MANY years ago and it was an experience of a lifetime. However.... OW! Yes, you can do it but even the impure mix I did prepared by yanumani natives, felt like someone lit a firecracker in my nostril. __________________ JOIN THE GROUP!! Mycotopias own techie club..

05-22-08, 20:59	#17 (permalink)
mycobri Editor Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,862	Yopo at least has soft inner seed inside it's husk Epena Virola bark resin must really be hard to take in the difference in duration of the experience from insufflating DMT is interesting

05-23-08, 02:45	#20 (permalink)
Phlux- Psychonaut Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 442	DMSO I Have read good things about dmso - compared to ur other options it seems like the plan. snorting it - pain in the membrane iv/im - nope vapourizing - too short maoi - u mentioned that u wouldnt want to enema - "insert ure own excuse here" nothing new in this post just a summary/timewaster(hopefully not)

05-23-08, 10:03	#21 (permalink)
heyYOU Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 16	dmt administration with dmso doesn't work. there's a topic over at www.dmt-nexus where one of the posters tried it with several doses of the freebase, and also converted some into an HCl salt, to no avail. i had a dream that i tried it with 60mg freebase before seeing that other topic. in my dream, my arm turned red and stung really bad for about 30 minutes. it was a very plain dream. no psychedelia.

05-27-08, 02:58	#22 (permalink)
extrememetal43 The Jester's Mad Chemist Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,258	should the freebase be converted to a salt before snortin it? even if it doesnt have to would it be more efficient? Also if converted to a salt would in convert to dmt acetate or dmt hydrochloride if using vinegar or muriatic acid respectively in the same way the mescaline extractions do when salted?

05-27-08, 07:07	#23 (permalink)
Defiance Trainee Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 271	DMT salts are highly hygroscopic and don't crystallize well at all. Shulgin himself only managed to get a solid after vacuum dessication, and he couldn't squeeze any crystals out of it. I'd try the freebase. I've heard of this working better with 5-MEO but that might be just because of the increased potency. For the record Yopo contains mostly bufotenin, the amounts of DMT present probably aren't high enough to be active. "Seven studies of 15 samples of Anadenanthera snuffs likewise showed bufotenine to be the only tryptamine present in significant amounts (up to 2.67%, with only traces of 5-MeO-DMT and DMT)" From http://entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=9&z=8

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