Growing san pedro from seeds

Zozo · 05-31-08, 04:06

Hey all,
I just got some seeds and put them in a pan.
in the bottom I have 2cm of good soil with coco and a uper layer with coco and perlite 50/50.
I put the seeds on the top and just slightly cover it with coco perlite

31/05/08 seeding

peace
zozo

Myc · 05-31-08, 10:43

Looks like a good starting point. You should be seeing some sprouts in around 10-14 days.

Good luck!

rocketman · 05-31-08, 12:11

Mine always seemed to pop starting on the sixth day. Some will take a month or so, but the majority will pop in the first couple weeks.

Zozo · 05-31-08, 13:35

thank you both

are you spray on them ?
If yes how much ?

peace
zozo

CoyoteMesc · 05-31-08, 15:51

You will need to mist them if the soil starts to dry.
Only spay enough to keep em moist. You want moist not soaking wet.

You can use some saran wrap to cover that container too. That will provide the light needed, prevent the soil from drying out so quickly, and give nice humidity for the seedlings.

omentheduck · 05-31-08, 15:59

good luck, I can't wait to see some sprouts!

Zozo · 05-31-08, 16:55

thak you both
It's already covered.
and me too, can't wait to see some sprouts

peace
zozo

Zozo · 06-15-08, 11:34

It was been more then two week and I didn't see anything.
I was a bit disappointed but today when I was missting a bit cuz it was drying I saw some Cacti grow

I hope to see some more soon

here are some pictures

Shadowlord · 06-15-08, 11:48

Great news.
Here's hoping you have great success with your new babies.
As someone who expects to be cultivating some cacti soon, I wish you the best of luck w/ them!

Hidra · 06-15-08, 12:28

watch out for the amount of light they are receiving...

they have a red/orange-ish colors...

they should be green...

Zozo · 06-15-08, 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hidra

watch out for the amount of light they are receiving...

they have a red/orange-ish colors...

they should be green...

thank, but do I need more light or less ?
they are getting light all day with 2-3 hours of direct sun

peace
zozo

CoyoteMesc · 06-15-08, 12:45

never direct, thats the problem right there. Defuse the light at this age. They have gotten sun burn.

Zozo · 06-15-08, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

never direct, thats the problem right there. Defuse the light at this age. They have gotten sun burn.

OK I will do
they get evening sun and I thought they are growing on the desert they need some
but I moved them to full shade now ...

thanks a lot
peace
zozo

Zozo · 06-15-08, 12:58

By the way if the soil get dry do I need to water them or spary a bit ?

thanks
zoro

Hidra · 06-15-08, 13:40

never let the soil dry out for seedlings that young..

keep it moist for like 6 months, and then slowely start to acclimate them to a dryer environment...

as for the light, leave them in shade or indirect sunlight...after a couple months you can start to give them more light...
but always check their colors, if they are red-orange, it mean they are receiving too much...

this is what my t.peruvianus seedlings look like at about 1.5 months old, to give you an idea..

good luck!

Zozo · 06-15-08, 14:37

Thanks a lot Hidra

yours are looking great I understand you grow them under artificial light ? is it HPS or MH ?

I already moved them to the shade and I will keep the soil wet for the next 6 month

again thanks a lot
zozo

Shadowlord · 06-15-08, 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hidra

never let the soil dry out for seedlings that young..

keep it moist for like 6 months, and then slowely start to acclimate them to a dryer environment...

as for the light, leave them in shade or indirect sunlight...after a couple months you can start to give them more light...
but always check their colors, if they are red-orange, it mean they are receiving too much...

this is what my t.peruvianus seedlings look like at about 1.5 months old, to give you an idea..

good luck!

Just Freaking Awesome Hidra!
I am planning on starting some cacti cultivation as I mentioned earlier, but nothing like what you got started there. If I had the room, Yes.
But anyways, I just wanted to tell you how great your babies looked!

Hidra · 06-15-08, 22:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zozo

Thanks a lot Hidra

yours are looking great I understand you grow them under artificial light ? is it HPS or MH ?

they are under 2 regular 26watt CFL...

cap · 06-15-08, 23:53

wb hidra

afaik cfl/artificial light is perfect for seedlings this young,
but to gain alkaloidal content you want actual sunlight.

so make sure to get them outside, or at least under metal halide (gives off uv-b light --
next best thing to sunlight) since its said the uv rays are the reason for the gain in goodies

but not until theyre at least large enough to transplant to individual containers.. id say 1-3 years tops,
unless, u have a greenhouse. in that case, id for sure transplant em/thin out
and go harden them off to the great halide in the sky, but again, only once theyre larger then a finger.

just my .02

fwiw

be well

Zozo · 06-16-08, 02:38

thank Hidra next time I may do the seeding under CF's and then take them out .
hey cap thank for stopping by and add some info but

you said transplant them to there individual containers after 1-3 years

the can stay so small for few years ???
I heard that San Pedro can grow a 100cm a year, ok not in the first or second but I thought that after a year they will be bigger then 5-10cm ?

I was thinking about transplanting after 6-8 months ?

and I have another question, they are now in a coco perlight soil (drying too fast

) but and it don't have food, when I need to start give them some ferts and what kind cacti likes ?

thank in advance
zozo

Zozo · 06-20-08, 02:24

Hey all
I have some new sprouts comming out
and now they are in full shade hope they will be ok

here are some pictures

peace
zozo

CoyoteMesc · 06-20-08, 02:44

looking good.

they're greening back up too

Zozo · 06-21-08, 00:25

thank you Coyote, I am a bit color blind so I never sure about the colors but I think I see the difference.
How long do I need to grow them like that till I move them to there own pots ?

peace
zozo

Zozo · 06-21-08, 14:37

Ok I think I found a good big san pedro and I took some cutting.
I just need to know what to do with them and some help will be great.

first if I don't have any mostake and this is san pedro
I took some photos
Then you can see the cuttings if they are looking good and how I roots them ?

thannks for any help
peace
zozo

CoyoteMesc · 06-21-08, 17:21

You can allow it to callus over the next few days. Once its callused you can pot it (callus down) in a pot a couple inches deep using store bought cactus soil. You can use rock on top of the soil. This will help hold up the cactus upright until it roots and help the moisture content keep that minimal level to promote roots and prevent rot at the same time.

Be careful not to over moisten the soil while the cactus has no roots. With no roots it will rot fast.
With the gravel in there the soil should stay moist enough for a cutting for well over a month. Depending on the temps. Never the less what seems to be dry soil may still be humid soil that is just right to promote roots.

Rooting cactus in my opinion in some ways its like growing mushrooms. Too moist and you lose everything. Too dry you still can have some success. So keep that soil on the dry side. ESP till it has roots.

Good luck.

Oh and btw, you'll know when roots begin to grow. The cacti's growth rate will pick up and you will notice grow easily.

On a side note. If you found that patch near where you live I would get at least one cutting back in the ground once rooted. But near you house. I would really love to be able to put some of mine in the earth around my house. But its just too damn cold here in the winter.

Nice find and Im glad you only took a few small pups.

Zozo · 06-21-08, 18:06

thank you very much

do I need to use rooting powder, is it help ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

On a side note. If you found that patch near where you live I would get at least one cutting back in the ground once rooted. But near you house. I would really love to be able to put some of mine in the earth around my house. But its just too damn cold here in the winter.

sure I am going to grow that in my garden but first I am going to root it in a pot, the give them to grow a bit maybe a year and then next summer I am going to plant one of them (at less) in my garden.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

Nice find and Im glad you only took a few small pups.

Ohhh I am going to abuse this holy plant

peace
zozo

twoguysupnorth · 06-22-08, 13:25

really nice picture. i like how all of those are growing from the ones laying on the ground.

noeleo · 08-05-08, 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketman

Mine always seemed to pop starting on the sixth day. Some will take a month or so, but the majority will pop in the first couple weeks.

wot temp u keep them at at the start

Zozo · 08-09-08, 03:26

Hi all,
here are my cuttings I have three of them (I have 4 but the last one is just a test)

I see they have different color on the top and I don't know if this is a growing part or a rotten part

???

can sameone help here ?

Here you can see the bigger one and the top part

thanks in advance
zozo

Fresh Brewed · 08-09-08, 08:36

They're starting to grow...Good job!

prism · 08-09-08, 09:28

Awesome!

Zozo · 08-09-08, 10:18

thank you guys, I thought so but wasn't sure. they look a bit bigger but I didn't know there size before now I measure them

here they are for the record

peace
zozo

twoguysupnorth · 08-10-08, 17:39

pretty looking things.

Zozo · 02-21-09, 05:09

A few month as past and the pedros are growing although it's winter
but it's getting thiner. I don't know if it's ok ?

so here are the pictures

peace
zozo

brain leg · 02-21-09, 05:43

it makes weak plants when they are taller. Don't water in the winter during low light as much to avoid this.
I'm about to plant a bunch of seeds pretty soon.

Also that huge pedro is a great find, that thing must be really old!!

Myc · 02-21-09, 10:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zozo

A few month as past and the pedros are growing although it's winter
but it's getting thiner. I don't know if it's ok ?

so here are the pictures

peace
zozo

Your cacti are suffering from etiolation
Stop watering them and allow the soil to dry. Then place them in a cool dark location until Winter is over and temperatures rise above 73*F during the day.

Etiolation is not fatal your cacti - until they try to get bigger.
The skinny part will stay skinny - breaking off when it becomes overloaded with new growth.

BTW,
Awesome photograph!!! Love the horizontal parent stock with the vertical offsets shooting from the trunk!!

Zozo · 02-22-09, 06:35

Thank you both,
I thought that if the parent mother is outside I can put them outside but it's winter and they have to much water outside although I put them in a very airy soil ...

so I will take them under roof

peace
zozo

Zozo · 10-04-09, 05:37

I didn't update but cacti is growing slowly Haaa

thanks for all the help and I will be happy to get more tips on the way
here they are now with some babies ...
the bedding have a lot of coco so it's very airy and this pedro are growing in my region so I will transfer one of them to my backyard next spring

peace
zozo

Shroomzion · 10-06-09, 07:40

those are some nice looking cacti zozo.
i think ill post some pics of the one i found to see if its perdro or bridgesii...

Quadrupliplex · 10-07-09, 02:09

I have a question.
I have a 4 foot fluorescent 32 watt bulbs x 2.

How far from the seeds should the light be hanging?

Zozo · 10-07-09, 02:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quadrupliplex

I have a question.
I have a 4 foot fluorescent 32 watt bulbs x 2.

How far from the seeds should the light be hanging?

can't say I am an expert but I may say not more then 20cm fluorescent light loos a lot by distance. have a fan that will blow air between the bulb and the plants.
In grass you put them till they almost touch. with cacti take them out in the summer.

peace
zozo

Quadrupliplex · 10-07-09, 03:48

Yeah I would be doing it outside but it is getting cold here at night and around 60 in the day. I am going to get a reptile heat mat and the seeds will be germinating in individual little seed cup planters (2" wide x 3" deep) inside of a plastic reservoir with a see through fitted plastic lid.
I will set that under my fluoro.

Zozo · 10-07-09, 05:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quadrupliplex

Yeah I would be doing it outside but it is getting cold here at night and around 60 in the day. I am going to get a reptile heat mat and the seeds will be germinating in individual little seed cup planters (2" wide x 3" deep) inside of a plastic reservoir with a see through fitted plastic lid.
I will set that under my fluoro.

Just saying that 2x32W it's good for babies till the summer then you will need to take it out and when they will be bigger you will need more light for indoor grow ...

good luck and let us know how it's working for you
peace
zozo

Quadrupliplex · 10-07-09, 14:37

yeah i just need them to get big enough to be able to go outside next summer.
from then on i will always let them go dormant in the winter.

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05-31-08, 04:06	#1 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	Growing san pedro from seeds Hey all, I just got some seeds and put them in a pan. in the bottom I have 2cm of good soil with coco and a uper layer with coco and perlite 50/50. I put the seeds on the top and just slightly cover it with coco perlite 31/05/08 seeding peace zozo Attached Thumbnails

05-31-08, 12:11	#3 (permalink)
rocketman GATE KEEPER Join Date: Feb 1971 Posts: 4,537	Mine always seemed to pop starting on the sixth day. Some will take a month or so, but the majority will pop in the first couple weeks. __________________ robbing a man of his cherished delusions does not make you any wealthier, it just makes him poorer. H3

05-31-08, 15:51	#5 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,045	You will need to mist them if the soil starts to dry. Only spay enough to keep em moist. You want moist not soaking wet. You can use some saran wrap to cover that container too. That will provide the light needed, prevent the soil from drying out so quickly, and give nice humidity for the seedlings. __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

05-31-08, 15:59	#6 (permalink)
omentheduck YoUsEeNOthiNg Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 961	good luck, I can't wait to see some sprouts! __________________ "I look, therefore I see. I try, therefore I will. I embrace, therefore I'm embraced. I believe, therefore I am!" omentheduck

05-31-08, 10:43	#2 (permalink)
Myc El Jardinero Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,041	Looks like a good starting point. You should be seeing some sprouts in around 10-14 days. Good luck!

05-31-08, 13:35	#4 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	thank you both are you spray on them ? If yes how much ? peace zozo

05-31-08, 16:55	#7 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	thak you both It's already covered. and me too, can't wait to see some sprouts peace zozo

06-15-08, 11:34	#8 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	It was been more then two week and I didn't see anything. I was a bit disappointed but today when I was missting a bit cuz it was drying I saw some Cacti grow I hope to see some more soon here are some pictures Attached Thumbnails

06-15-08, 11:48	#9 (permalink)
Shadowlord Lost and Wandering. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,550	Congratulations! Great news. Here's hoping you have great success with your new babies. As someone who expects to be cultivating some cacti soon, I wish you the best of luck w/ them!

06-15-08, 12:28	#10 (permalink)
Hidra Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 331	watch out for the amount of light they are receiving... they have a red/orange-ish colors... they should be green...

06-15-08, 12:45	#12 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,045	never direct, thats the problem right there. Defuse the light at this age. They have gotten sun burn. __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

06-15-08, 12:58	#14 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	By the way if the soil get dry do I need to water them or spary a bit ? thanks zoro

06-15-08, 13:40	#15 (permalink)
Hidra Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 331	never let the soil dry out for seedlings that young.. keep it moist for like 6 months, and then slowely start to acclimate them to a dryer environment... as for the light, leave them in shade or indirect sunlight...after a couple months you can start to give them more light... but always check their colors, if they are red-orange, it mean they are receiving too much... this is what my t.peruvianus seedlings look like at about 1.5 months old, to give you an idea.. good luck! Attached Thumbnails

06-15-08, 14:37	#16 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	Thanks a lot Hidra yours are looking great I understand you grow them under artificial light ? is it HPS or MH ? I already moved them to the shade and I will keep the soil wet for the next 6 month again thanks a lot zozo

06-15-08, 23:53	#19 (permalink)
cap ~~ confusion's prince ~~ Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,559	wb hidra afaik cfl/artificial light is perfect for seedlings this young, but to gain alkaloidal content you want actual sunlight. so make sure to get them outside, or at least under metal halide (gives off uv-b light -- next best thing to sunlight) since its said the uv rays are the reason for the gain in goodies but not until theyre at least large enough to transplant to individual containers.. id say 1-3 years tops, unless, u have a greenhouse. in that case, id for sure transplant em/thin out and go harden them off to the great halide in the sky, but again, only once theyre larger then a finger. just my .02 fwiw be well __________________ www.gdradio.net www.phillesh.net "i dont know, maybe it was the roses...."

06-16-08, 02:38	#20 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	thank Hidra next time I may do the seeding under CF's and then take them out . hey cap thank for stopping by and add some info but you said transplant them to there individual containers after 1-3 years the can stay so small for few years ??? I heard that San Pedro can grow a 100cm a year, ok not in the first or second but I thought that after a year they will be bigger then 5-10cm ? I was thinking about transplanting after 6-8 months ? and I have another question, they are now in a coco perlight soil (drying too fast ) but and it don't have food, when I need to start give them some ferts and what kind cacti likes ? thank in advance zozo

06-20-08, 02:24	#21 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	Hey all I have some new sprouts comming out and now they are in full shade hope they will be ok here are some pictures peace zozo Attached Thumbnails

06-20-08, 02:44	#22 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,045	looking good. they're greening back up too __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

06-21-08, 00:25	#23 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	thank you Coyote, I am a bit color blind so I never sure about the colors but I think I see the difference. How long do I need to grow them like that till I move them to there own pots ? peace zozo

06-21-08, 14:37	#24 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	Ok I think I found a good big san pedro and I took some cutting. I just need to know what to do with them and some help will be great. first if I don't have any mostake and this is san pedro I took some photos Then you can see the cuttings if they are looking good and how I roots them ? thannks for any help peace zozo Attached Thumbnails

06-21-08, 17:21	#25 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,045	You can allow it to callus over the next few days. Once its callused you can pot it (callus down) in a pot a couple inches deep using store bought cactus soil. You can use rock on top of the soil. This will help hold up the cactus upright until it roots and help the moisture content keep that minimal level to promote roots and prevent rot at the same time. Be careful not to over moisten the soil while the cactus has no roots. With no roots it will rot fast. With the gravel in there the soil should stay moist enough for a cutting for well over a month. Depending on the temps. Never the less what seems to be dry soil may still be humid soil that is just right to promote roots. Rooting cactus in my opinion in some ways its like growing mushrooms. Too moist and you lose everything. Too dry you still can have some success. So keep that soil on the dry side. ESP till it has roots. Good luck. Oh and btw, you'll know when roots begin to grow. The cacti's growth rate will pick up and you will notice grow easily. On a side note. If you found that patch near where you live I would get at least one cutting back in the ground once rooted. But near you house. I would really love to be able to put some of mine in the earth around my house. But its just too damn cold here in the winter. Nice find and Im glad you only took a few small pups. __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

06-22-08, 13:25	#27 (permalink)
twoguysupnorth Mycotopiate Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,588	really nice picture. i like how all of those are growing from the ones laying on the ground.

08-09-08, 03:26	#29 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	Here are my cuttings Hi all, here are my cuttings I have three of them (I have 4 but the last one is just a test) I see they have different color on the top and I don't know if this is a growing part or a rotten part ??? can sameone help here ? Here you can see the bigger one and the top part thanks in advance zozo Attached Thumbnails

08-09-08, 08:36	#30 (permalink)
Fresh Brewed Mycotopiate Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,047	They're starting to grow...Good job!

08-09-08, 09:28	#31 (permalink)
prism Running from My Mycelium Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,925	Awesome! __________________ No matter how pretty the fire is, dont touch it!

08-09-08, 10:18	#32 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	great relief thank you guys, I thought so but wasn't sure. they look a bit bigger but I didn't know there size before now I measure them here they are for the record peace zozo Attached Thumbnails

08-10-08, 17:39	#33 (permalink)
twoguysupnorth Mycotopiate Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,588	pretty looking things.

02-21-09, 05:09	#34 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	A few month as past and the pedros are growing although it's winter but it's getting thiner. I don't know if it's ok ? so here are the pictures peace zozo Attached Thumbnails __________________ My Grow logs

02-21-09, 05:43	#35 (permalink)
brain leg Former Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 182	it makes weak plants when they are taller. Don't water in the winter during low light as much to avoid this. I'm about to plant a bunch of seeds pretty soon. Also that huge pedro is a great find, that thing must be really old!!

02-22-09, 06:35	#37 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	Thank you both, I thought that if the parent mother is outside I can put them outside but it's winter and they have to much water outside although I put them in a very airy soil ... so I will take them under roof peace zozo __________________ My Grow logs

10-04-09, 05:37	#38 (permalink)
Zozo The green paladin Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 406	I didn't update but cacti is growing slowly Haaa thanks for all the help and I will be happy to get more tips on the way here they are now with some babies ... the bedding have a lot of coco so it's very airy and this pedro are growing in my region so I will transfer one of them to my backyard next spring peace zozo __________________ My Grow logs

10-06-09, 07:40	#39 (permalink)
Shroomzion Under The Influence Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 82	those are some nice looking cacti zozo. i think ill post some pics of the one i found to see if its perdro or bridgesii...

10-07-09, 02:09	#40 (permalink)
Quadrupliplex Dimension Transient Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 153	I have a question. I have a 4 foot fluorescent 32 watt bulbs x 2. How far from the seeds should the light be hanging? __________________ "Suicide...A permanent solution for a temporary problem" -So we agree it is a solution.

10-07-09, 03:48	#42 (permalink)
Quadrupliplex Dimension Transient Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 153	Yeah I would be doing it outside but it is getting cold here at night and around 60 in the day. I am going to get a reptile heat mat and the seeds will be germinating in individual little seed cup planters (2" wide x 3" deep) inside of a plastic reservoir with a see through fitted plastic lid. I will set that under my fluoro. __________________ "Suicide...A permanent solution for a temporary problem" -So we agree it is a solution.