Dried Peyote Dosage?

[lysergic]

If one were to happen upon some dried peyote, what would be a good dosage to eat (in grams)?

[Shroomette]

If you have never had peyote dried before I recommend 3 grams that's what irishlion recommended to me but, yet, you can't really predict the dosage or the effect on you it all depends on the person like Hippie once said.....IMHO!!!!!!

[lysergic]

What effect did 3g have on you? From what I have heard, 3g doesn't seem like very much. SWIM would be looking for the "visionary" experience.

[jason_]

3-4g is a pretty good dose for dried L. williamsii. You have to also take into account the age of the specimen that the dried material came from... older plant = higher alkaloid content.

So, 3g from a younger plant will pack a good bit less punch than 3g from a 25 year old one.

-Jason

[Shadowlord]

If you have done Mescaline or cacti in any form other than Peyote, let us know what the difference is. I've read that the Peyote is a thing unto it's own. I'd love to have someone describe the difference. So far I've only experienced San Pedro.

[prism1234]

Gimme 5 years and I'll let you know...

[lysergic]

I seem to remember the person it came from saying that 10-14g was a good dose...maybe that was true for this specific crop (it was probably pretty young, since there seemed to be a lot of it around).

I've never tried mescaline, so I would not be able to tell the difference between peyote, pedro, or sanchez.

I don't have any plans for eating it quite yet, as I want to make a special occasion out of it. There will definitely be a report posted once I do though.

[jason_]

Originally Posted by lysergic

I seem to remember the person it came from saying that 10-14g was a good dose

Are you sure it was peyote? That's an insane dose I would imagine even for those quite experienced in the ways of mescalito.

Perhaps you're confused about what you've got?? Any way to double check before possibly going off the deep end?

-Jason

[Raziel]

3 grams of dried peyote doesn't seem alot at all, I know peyote is alot more potent than other cactus but is it really 10x more potent ??? I've tried 30 grams of dried san pedro which I was told was good for a beginner and it was.

[cactuswren]

Originally Posted by Raziel

3 grams of dried peyote doesn't seem alot at all, I know peyote is alot more potent than other cactus but is it really 10x more potent ??? I've tried 30 grams of dried san pedro which I was told was good for a beginner and it was.

If very potent dried Trichocereus averages 1.5 - 2.0% mescaline, the answer is no. If the Pedro is weak, .5 or less, the answer could be yes. Without getting out some references, I remembered the highest recorded level in dried peyote being 6%. I don't doubt that there are some ancient peyotes with even higher levels, but the average level of what is harvested in Texas today is in 2-4% range [average dried]. The 2-4% came from a study in the late 90's by the board that overseas the licensing and sale of peyote to the NAC [Native American Church] in TX. Peyote, like San Pedro, varies greatly. I know a man in Taos, NM who has been a member of the NAC for 40 years. He says that the plants they got when he was young were 2-3 times as strong as those they get today. He insisted it was because of the age/size of the plants and not because of his age or tolerance. Much of the land in TX where peyote once grew has been plowed under for development and ranching. The lands open to the peyoteros are now limited and the older plants are fewer and farther between. In peyote years, 25 is not old.

So, If 30gm of Icaros T.P. was a good dose for someone, 10g of the average peyote would possibly have a similar amount of mescaline; possibly, because there are so many variables. At any rate, it certainly wouldn't be an insane amount for me. About 25 years ago I had a regular supply of peyote for one summer and was fortunate enough to have many wonderful experiences with this plant. Just as San Pedro is different from pure mescaline, peyote is quite different from the San Pedro experience. It's a veritable warehouse of chemicals which act synergistically to provide an effect which is unique to Peyote. The most noticeable difference to me was the calming effect I would get from peyote. It had a warm meditative feeling to it. I believe that at least 2 of the [50?] chemicals identified in peyote are sedative in nature. I think it may be the action of all the other chemicals in peyote that make it feel so much stronger than San Pedro. Of course, if it has 5x the mescaline of the Pedro one normally consumes, that would certainly be a factor as well. If someone was worried about doing too much, I'd suggest starting at 5 grams; if you're not worried, start at 10.

[mydarling]

if one were to take a 5g dose to start, about how long after eating it would one know if one should ingest a couple more grams? is this a very subjective thing? is it inadvisable to eat an additional dose partway through a trip?

[cactuswren]

Definitely depends on the person and the Peyote. I do remember that the first effects [nausea] were felt in 30-45 minutes. Due to some of the chemicals, Peyote produced much more initial nausea for me than Pedro. And compared to Peyote, I think Pedro tastes like a garden salad. We found that if we ate an initial small dose maybe 2 grams, and waited for the nausea to pass [60 minutes?], we could consume a 2nd [and 3rd] larger dose with minimal additional nausea. For me, the effects of the 2nd dose would be in effect about 1hr later which is much quicker than it takes for Trichocereous with me [3-4hrs]. If you believe purging is part of the spiritual cleansing, eat your whole dose at once. Even though you can get quite sick, it doesn't last too long and when it's over, you feel great for the rest of the journey. In the NAC ceremony, the medicine is always passed around more than once during the night long meeting. You would probably have a good idea what the effects of 5 grams were after 2 hrs; but yes, it is a subjective thing. Here is some info regarding the major alkaloids in Peyote from, Visions of the Night, Western Medicine Meets Peyote, an article by Daniel M. Perrine in The Heffter Review of Psychedelic Research, Volume 2, 2001. I believe pellotine is the alkaloid that had the calming effect on me. It was marketed by Bayer as a sleep aid until they discovered barbiturates. The paper discusses the mechanism of action for many of the alkaloids listed below.
Part I. Besides Mescaline:
What Is Known of the Other Peyote Alkaloids?
Has there been any study on humans of the effects,
individually and in concert, of the many alkaloids other
than mescaline which are found in peyote?
There are an unusually large number of alkaloids
in peyote—no other cactus approaches Lophophora
williamsii in this regard. There have been many studies
of mescaline, the most abundant alkaloid in peyote.
But what of the other alkaloids? These are, in order of
decreasing occurrence: pellotine, anhalonidine,
anhalamine, hordenine (anhaline), lophophorine, 3-
demethylmescaline, anhalonine, N-methylmescaline,
anhalidine, N,N-dimethyl-4-hydroxy-3-methoxyphenethylamine,
anhalinine, O-methylanhalonidine,
isopellotine, and peyophorine. There are also numerous
alkaloidal amides and amino acids

[Irishlion]

Annd first off allow me to say I didn't say 3 grams of dried powder I said 300mg to 600mg of pure mescline. But, if you are taking dried peyote I would say take like 7 to 8 grams of the powder but, I would take like 2 to 3 grams first like shoormette said and let the nausia subside likr cactuswren said then take the other 4 or so grams of it. that might gove you a good spitural expereince but, there again you must also take into account the age of the williamsii cacti as well. I wouldn't recomend any more then 8 or so grams due to the strength of the cacti. If one doesn't know the age of the cacti he is eating I would recomend being safe, and increasing as you feel comfortable. I would however, strongly recomend against eating it all at once. Due to the nausa peyote produces. IMO it would take like 6 to 8 grams and see how that effects you.

[mydarling]

wow, thanks everyone for the very informative & helpful responses. starting with a low dose, 2-4g maybe, and eating more later if one feels inclined sounds like the best idea. i'm glad these responses came in, our FOAFs might have eaten as much as was recommended (10-14g) all at once and been totally overwhelmed.

[deadheadjpc2000]

Very interesting topic...
If one were making a strained tea from dried peyote, would the doseage be the same as ingesting??
Also, what would 5 grams be worth? 10 grams??
What would ya pay...just curious, as it would be so rare...I've never seen it...
Thankx,
Peace

[Irishlion]

when you put 10 grams in a tea and boil it for like half an hour to an hour you are still getting that amount of alakloids cept for it doesn't have to digest and in my experience the tea is better than eating it. But, yes the tea IMHO is better than eating it. But, ten grams of peyote is 10 grams of peyote. Just depends on how much water you use in that tea that dictates how potent the tea will be. For me 10 grams of williamsii to about 2 cups of water. Sweeten with some honey and perhaps lemon and drink and have a good ride man.

[raveneye]

The cool thing about peyote seems to be the fact that you can keep eating it and keep the ride going. It doesn't metabolize
like shrooms. Once you get up and going IMO seems to be more like 1.5 to 2 hrs you seem to get past the nausea thing and you can do a booster. I wouldn't go big right out of the shoot but get past the nausea hurdle and then do another dose. I always hate barfing up my whole dose. I've learned though that if you need to barf by all means do it instead of feeling sick the whole time your trippin. The way they do it at Peyote Way is sip a strong tea (1 qt.) first over 1 to 2 hrs and then after your up gobble somefresh buttons or a couple dried and then your cruisin. 12 hrs easy. I love the way you can feel it going through your whole body. I never feel like I'm really done untill I have dumped it out the other end the next day. Maybe more than you need to hear. Ha!
Good times!

[rockawayrooms]

Originally Posted by prism1234

Gimme 5 years and I'll let you know...

[Alaskan]

will all this talk of Peyote, i wanted to chime in. i never measured in grams of dried or fresh, just number of buttons. but i would take anywhere from 8 to 14 buttons depending on size. they were always pretty consistent. a full blown trip, just as i would get from shooms or lsd, but clearly the kind of trip i enjoyed the most. nausea would occur for about 45 mins, but never had to vomit. the thing i would get was an intense level of yawning which also lasted about 45 mins. then 12 hrs of bliss. anyone else ever used peyot in button form? how many did you take?

[mydarling]

Originally Posted by raveneye

I never feel like I'm really done untill I have dumped it out the other end the next day.

lol

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by Alaskan

i would take anywhere from 8 to 14 buttons depending on size. they were always pretty consistent. a full blown trip, just as i would get from shooms or lsd

If you had to guess, how much do you think one button would weigh on average?

[Irishlion]

pups weight depend on siae and age and the mom they are attached to. But, if one was to guess I would say about 1/4 to 1/2 gram.