DMT for dummies, 2nd extract

[DJTetsu]

I did my 2nd straight to base DMT extraction, and just posting because I'm real happy. I first thought it was a total bust, but I forgot that you really need to wait until 99% of the naphtha is gone until you see your nice crystals.

Anyways, did pretty much the same as my first one a year ago:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/dmt-spic...t-vovin-s.html

I messed with the naphtha pull durations but I haven't got anything conclusive. I did 5 pulls with them ranging from 30 minutes to 4 hours (but when I ran out of containers I had to mix them up, so research was gone). To me this part is the crucial variable that needs to be figured out. Next time I'll probably do 4-6 hour naphtha pulls (probably 3 total pulls with each one getting longer by an hour). I shook the jar every thirty minutes (not shaking violently, just flip upside down and a little shaking).
My crystals (though very yellow) now seem more solid, where with my first extract it all seemed oily. It seems storeable at room temp.

Anyways for next time (and advice for everyone):
Buy gloves - the chemicals involved are no joke.
Finding a place for the naphtha pull can be hard. I was getting nausious doing it in my room (even with a fan blowing to a window). I need time when my room mate isn't home so I can do it outside.

Turkey baster, as mentioned in the other thread is useless. Syringes work best for me so far for syphoning

Coffee bean grinder is essential for breaking up the MHRB into near-powder form.

Pretty good amount from a cup full of MHRB (grinded in a coffee bean grinder), or like 5-6 twigs.


Am I missing something with the other teks? Yes my DMT is yellow but this tek is so easy and simple! It's probably the case that since I've never smoked the white kind, I'm in that ignorant bliss.


This is of a side topic but I tried to smoke out my friends the other day and I told them how awesome it was. Smoked 4 guys out, with enough smoke to send them somewhere far... and... they got nothing!! What happened was they've been drinking a bit (one guy with 1 drink!) before hand and even the tiniest alcohol, I've realized, will prevent you from lift-off.

Anyways, you gotta love this stuff. It took a year but I finished my first batch. That's probably over thirty hits, and (knock on wood), each trip has been nothing but good. It's great getting to party with aliens.

If you have never, DO IT!

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by DJTetsu

What happened was they've been drinking a bit (one guy with 1 drink!) before hand and even the tiniest alcohol, I've realized, will prevent you from lift-off.

I can assure you that alcohol has no affect on one's ability to get to hyperspace.

[DJTetsu]

Originally Posted by lysergic

I can assure you that alcohol has no affect on one's ability to get to hyperspace.

To say that it has no affect, I have to disagree, through my own experiences and with my last session with friends.

But to be fair, it's not a recommended mix. Usually not a good idea to mix any hallucinogenics with alcohol. It's not your jin and juice.

[Chaos]

Originally Posted by lysergic

I can assure you that alcohol has no affect on one's ability to get to hyperspace.

I have to agree. I am normally drunk when I decide it is a good time to launch. Down the rabbit hole every time.
CHAOS

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by DJTetsu

But to be fair, it's not a recommended mix. Usually not a good idea to mix any hallucinogenics with alcohol. It's not your jin and juice.

Very true.

[shoe]

i'd like to state that SWIM actually prefers the yelllowish shards of DMT. I find the white/very light yellow powdery type actually just vaporizes too easilly, and doesn't really 'feel' like your getting as much for your money. You're probably not :P

[dmt27]

Piss Drunk + Spice = Diminished Fun


IMO

[Diacetyl-M]

I have to agree. I am normally drunk when I decide it is a good time to launch. Down the rabbit hole every time.
CHAOS

While I generally don't like to be drunk, I usually drink 3-4 beers before I trip regardless of the psychedelic...I just find it gets me in the right mindset, and isn't enough to cloud the high at all. Also, with psychdelics that have a rough come up, I find it helps ease me through. For something like DMT though....I can't even notice that I've drank once it kicks in...

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by Diacetyl-M

For something like DMT though....I can't even notice that I've drank once it kicks in...

Same here.

[UnlearnEverything]

Originally Posted by Diacetyl-M

While I generally don't like to be drunk, I usually drink 3-4 beers before I trip regardless of the psychedelic...I just find it gets me in the right mindset, and isn't enough to cloud the high at all. Also, with psychdelics that have a rough come up, I find it helps ease me through. For something like DMT though....I can't even notice that I've drank once it kicks in...

Hate to get off topic.. sometimes it's nice to take some melatonin before launching. Or some carisoprodol if they have some

[whatchamacallit]

About the question in the tek on the length of time that naphtha is left for each pull, SWIM has left it for hours (overnight) and tried separating it as soon as the two layers separate. Either way, it has made no difference in yield. SWIM thinks the only way that letting it sit would matter is to let the lye further break down the bark or free up DMT from the bark, which should be fairly quick with powdered bark. But he thinks as soon as the DMT is free from the bark, the solvent is able to gather as much as possible, immediately, until it is saturated. He has found the amount of solvent used can make a much greater difference than the length of time it's allowed to sit.

[911aware]

2 shots of tequilla really help me overcome the fear of hittin the ol' pipe tho. i wouldn't do it piss drunk, but a little lubricant to calm the ticker doesn't hurt imo.

Originally Posted by lysergic

I can assure you that alcohol has no affect on one's ability to get to hyperspace.

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by lysergic

I can assure you that alcohol has no affect on one's ability to get to hyperspace.

most definitely, i like to have a small glass of wine to get in the mood sometimes.

[Chaos]

Originally Posted by dmt27

Piss Drunk + Spice = Diminished Fun


IMO

So true. Piss drunk is not the best trip, But it is still fun.

Originally Posted by Diacetyl-M

While I generally don't like to be drunk, I usually drink 3-4 beers before I trip regardless of the psychedelic...I just find it gets me in the right mindset, and isn't enough to cloud the high at all. Also, with psychdelics that have a rough come up, I find it helps ease me through. For something like DMT though....I can't even notice that I've drank once it kicks in...

I do the same for planned trips. Once the trip starts my drinking stops. I am a drinker so this says alot about the cool nature of psychedelics.

Originally Posted by 911aware

2 shots of tequilla really help me overcome the fear of hittin the ol' pipe tho. i wouldn't do it piss drunk, but a little lubricant to calm the ticker doesn't hurt imo.

The drinks give you time to prepare your self for hyperspace. The fear is real, palpable and terrifying. If there were no fear would it be so interesting?

I don't retain the bliss or detail if I am piss drunk. Still fun though.

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

About the question in the tek on the length of time that naphtha is left for each pull, SWIM has left it for hours (overnight) and tried separating it as soon as the two layers separate. Either way, it has made no difference in yield. SWIM thinks the only way that letting it sit would matter is to let the lye further break down the bark or free up DMT from the bark, which should be fairly quick with powdered bark. But he thinks as soon as the DMT is free from the bark, the solvent is able to gather as much as possible, immediately, until it is saturated. He has found the amount of solvent used can make a much greater difference than the length of time it's allowed to sit.

Yep

CHAOS

[xxeu4riaxx]

hey, was just wondering.if i could use mineral turpentine or 95% ethanol (methylated spirits) instead of naptha/shellite etc thanx..

[whatchamacallit]

Not sure about turpentine (probably not), but ethanol mixes with water, so definitely can't use that..

[probability field]

i let some piss drunk people convince me to load dmt hits for them once because i was their guest. they couldn't even remember the experience afterwards. one of them broke the pipe just after she made me reload it before even firing it up and the other one puked all over the floor while making noises like an animal and had to be turned on his side to avoid asphixiation (this happened when using a backup pipe containing nasty old dmt residues after i was fed up with the whole situation and told him go ahead and load it yourself i'm not doing it for you).

i resolved never to participate in such nonsense again, guest or not.

being a little bit drunk is not a problem. i think it diminishes the intensity of the visuals, but it reduces the fear of taking a good rip.

i usually tell people that they should be no more drunk or stoned then they "normally" are on a regular basis. thus they should be in their "comfort zone" when they blast.

i pour off the naptha as soon as it separates before it can cool down. pouring it off hot gives the best yields.

if you use ethanol to extract follow the changa tek. if you use a turkey baster you have to melt the tip closed and stick a pin through it to make a smaller opening. you also have to seal the top with teflon tape, duct tape, or both.

[Calaquendi]

Originally Posted by probability field

being a little bit drunk is not a problem. i think it diminishes the intensity of the visuals, but it reduces the fear of taking a good rip.

i usually tell people that they should be no more drunk or stoned then they "normally" are on a regular basis. thus they should be in their "comfort zone" when they blast.

Excellent!

The more relaxed you are going into it, the easier it will be to break through (usually)

A good friend of mine who's always asking me "you got some DMT?" called me about a week ago....he was befuddled and sounded genuinely perturbed...he'd come home from a gig smashed drunk and decided to wazzle, but for some reason it didn't jive with all the booze he had on board, and made for a nasty ride. He doesn't know if he'll smoke it again.

I've hit spice really drunk before and it was a nasty, heavy body-load, and I remember swearing off that combo...as stated, it works best when you're in your "comfort-zone"...rock on...

[WilliamsEyeLophori]

i tryied my first stb. hope you dont mind me asking this in your thread...
i followed calaquendis stb. after evaporating my yellow naptha, my stuff is gooey, no crystals. it smells like fish too. ive only taken a few small hits, and there is magic in the gunk. it liquifies under heat, i thought it would be hard crystals. im realy paranoid about the chemicals,
i wonder if anyone knows why i have gunk and not crystals? if there is enough information in that paragraph for anyone to have any advice , i implore you, type away.

[Calaquendi]

how long did u evaporate, man?

what temp. was it?

sometimes, depending on the bark quality, if you've done 'everything else right'...it can come out waxy or "gooey"...got some pics?

maybe try to evaporate the goo a bit longer, sometimes when I expect puffy crystals in the dish, I only get what you described. There are a few reasons this can be, but the first thing I'd do is try to dry it out more. Sometimes the solution evaps all the way down and you just scrape the thin layer off the dish, usually more comes of it than it looks like...

good luck!

[WilliamsEyeLophori]

its pretty hot down here
ill just try evaporating longer,
waxy is a good adjective .
the bulk of the naptha evaporated verry quick. and i waited 24 hrs for the waxy gunk to harden up,
now i think about it, i thought it was going to harden, it looked like it. that was the first day and it is much hotter the next few,
a few good hits and ill probably forget all about the fear of the chemicals.

[Calaquendi]

The chemicals you use in these extractions are only catalysts for chemical reactions, and solvents that are washed or evaporated off...

I do not think any significant residual chemicals are in the final product, be the final product waxy or crystalline...this often can depend on the quality of the rootbark itself, if it is fatty it may come out like this...it's not the prettiest of stashes, but waxy or even really dark (I've smoked yellow, orange and even brown) DMT is not just okay, it can be downright awesome...

Love to hear how it all turns out~maybe try a re-crystallization? There are many good teks here. Keep going!!!