Is there a such thing as LSH ?

[Geltabz101]

Now I am pretty sure was this moron said is BS,. But is there even a chemical LSH ? This is what this guy said :
:quote: It's ironic that you can simply distill DEET (found in OFF bug repelant spray) with sodium hydroxide and it will break down to give you diethylamine. Then you can convert the LSA from these seeds to lysergic acid. And LSD is lysergic acid diethylamine. But to connect the 2 chemicals together you need hydrazine with no water in it, which is extremely unstable and can explode at any minute. So LSH is the safer way, and SO EASY! :quote:

[Phlux-]

sounds faulty - i really cant remember now but off the top of my head...
i think u convert lsa to lsh by mixing like mg seeds with peppermint oil or mustard paste. i think the actives that make up the group that are generally considered to be called lsa (ergine - iso-er...) convert under normal conditions. no explosions here.
Like do a cwe on mg then convert by adding mustard paste and u have lsh.
just something i remember reading about a long long time ago.
the lsh is apparenty considered shorter lasting but more intense and enjoyable than the lsa with no body load.
i would dig to see more info on this idea - cant remember where i read it.

[Phlux-]

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[ez_goin]

I'm curious about this too. Not that I, personally, would ever try to synthesize LSD, but SWIM has done several cwe of LSA and would probably be interested in the conversion of LSA into something with shorter, but more pronounced effects. I may have to do some research on this.

[Geltabz101]

So there is some merit to the chemical LSH . As far as making lsd from it, thats bull because the stages in which LSD is created is not similiar to LSA. Somehow you would have to do so much to the chemical: look http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...ry_compare.php

Also I found this while looking up the chem structure and this is long winded but interesting non the less. Its about lysergic acid and the different synthesis.
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodiu...ndrickson.html

[Geltabz101]

Oh and I will look for this LSH , if someone has site reference or literature of some scienctific nature, and sends it to me. I will gladly do some expierements to see rather or not its plausible. If it works then we all know an easy way to make D-lysergic acid diethylamide.



chemical name D-Lysergic acid α-hydroxyethylamide

[Geltabz101]

I had started this in the general discussion section because I believed someone was BS me. However, I have found some info about it. Still think its BS, but that's what experiments are for. well here is an interesting forum conversation (don't know if its valid and factually sound but...) I have to get to class now. If there is some reasonable info out there, maybe I can do my thesis on it. Would be interesting !!!!!

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by Geltabz101

Then you can convert the LSA from these seeds to lysergic acid...

Dunno if that's a typo, but LSA is Lysergic Acid Amide.

[Entropymancer]

Originally Posted by lysergic

Dunno if that's a typo, but LSA is Lysergic Acid Amide.

An amide is the derivitive of an acid and an amine. In this case lysergic acid and diethylamine. (When an amide is broken into its parent acid and base, the term for this is "hydrolysis")

[Entropymancer]

LSH is indeed a legitimate chemical found naturally in the seeds of morning glories.

It could theoretically be used as a starting point for synthesizing LSD. But you're not going to start from just LSH. If you wanted to start LSD from the seeds, you'd need to isolate the various ergoline alkaloids (including a step somewhere to destroy the undesired clavines). This crude alkaloid extract could be treated with potassium hydroxide to yield lysergic acid. If you have optically pure L-lysergic acid you could go the stereoselective route with PyPOB. But from a racemate, like I think the alkaline hydrolysis would result in, the more practical route is via phosphorous oxychloride.

"Making LSH" isn't an easier alternative to making LSD... I think whoever told you this may have sone some creative interpretation on Tregar's recent speculation about the ergoline alkaloids potentially forming more potent indole nitrogen adducts when in the presence of alcohol and aldehydes.