Does exessive boiling of cactus reduce potency

ralphmcd · 07-21-08, 08:39

The general view I have found seems to be that mescaline is very stable and therefore does not degrade with heat when extracting from cactus.
I have often used the method listed here: http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/sprecipe.htm. It calls for heating the cactus in a crock pot for 2 days. I have got results, although I've always wanted more.

However, I have recently come across a few websites saying that mescaline content is reduced significantly if the cactus is boiled for too long: http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/psyche.../cactusgg.html and http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/c..._guide16.shtml.

Does anyone know which is correct? Or does anyone have a good idea based on past experience? I really don't want to be reducing the strength by as much as 4x! (as one of the above pages says)

firerat · 07-21-08, 09:29

I don't think how long you cook the cacti matters as much as the temperature.
I've always cooked my cacti for about 6 hours and never noticed a difference in potentcy compared to just eating dried cacti chips.
(

sooo nasty)
Never went 2 days.

This is just my opinion and experience.

Irishlion · 07-21-08, 09:30

Mescline doesn't evaporiate off as far as i know so no i don't think it matters how long you boil unless you run out of water LOL

Raziel · 07-21-08, 12:33

It takes alot more heat than boiling water to destroy the alkanoids in the cactus, I was curious to this question aswell and read somewhere they start to break down at 260+ Degrees Fahrenheit but if anyone knows for sure.... I could be wrong.

manhoff-manhoff · 07-23-08, 19:24

well im not sure but i think in order to make a good extraction from the cacti you should simmer it again and again until no bitterness is left in the liquid.
so i dont think simmering it for too long will decrease the potency,it will just make it even stronger.
simmering is different from boiling though,as the temperatures are not the same.

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07-21-08, 08:39	#1 (permalink)
ralphmcd Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1	Does exessive boiling of cactus reduce potency The general view I have found seems to be that mescaline is very stable and therefore does not degrade with heat when extracting from cactus. I have often used the method listed here: http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/sprecipe.htm. It calls for heating the cactus in a crock pot for 2 days. I have got results, although I've always wanted more. However, I have recently come across a few websites saying that mescaline content is reduced significantly if the cactus is boiled for too long: http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/psyche.../cactusgg.html and http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/c..._guide16.shtml. Does anyone know which is correct? Or does anyone have a good idea based on past experience? I really don't want to be reducing the strength by as much as 4x! (as one of the above pages says)

07-21-08, 09:29	#2 (permalink)
firerat I SELL HOSE Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 562	I don't think how long you cook the cacti matters as much as the temperature. I've always cooked my cacti for about 6 hours and never noticed a difference in potentcy compared to just eating dried cacti chips. (sooo nasty) Never went 2 days. This is just my opinion and experience. __________________ Everything posted by firerat is in no way reality. It's all imaginatory. Posts in 1st person are in no way to be taken as fact. Imagination only!!

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07-21-08, 09:30	#3 (permalink)
Irishlion dimensional outcast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 475	Mescline doesn't evaporiate off as far as i know so no i don't think it matters how long you boil unless you run out of water LOL

07-21-08, 12:33	#4 (permalink)
Raziel I don't walk, I float Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 420	It takes alot more heat than boiling water to destroy the alkanoids in the cactus, I was curious to this question aswell and read somewhere they start to break down at 260+ Degrees Fahrenheit but if anyone knows for sure.... I could be wrong.

07-23-08, 19:24	#5 (permalink)
manhoff-manhoff Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	well im not sure but i think in order to make a good extraction from the cacti you should simmer it again and again until no bitterness is left in the liquid. so i dont think simmering it for too long will decrease the potency,it will just make it even stronger. simmering is different from boiling though,as the temperatures are not the same.