A/B ExtracT or Lazy man's

[CorruptAbstract]

Hello wondering if it is worth a foaf time to do an a/b extract because all he has is vinegar he cant find hcl. he hears the lazy man's works but he wants to get his spice as good as possible.

Comments & answers
appreciated

[Lefty]

Find HCL (or face uncertain crap result).
Maybe just disregard my blathering. Attempting a reaction & putting the least amount of effort possible into it (before you even fucking start) does not compute in my realm. That's like shitting in a hole in the floor because you're not worried about cleaning out the basement.

[AndyLandy420]

screw HCl, completely unnecasary, screw vinegar too for that matter, vitC (aka ascorbic acid) yields the cleanest product of all the acids ive used.

[bear]

HCl is so cheap and easy to source for all of your acid needs.
Vinegar works fine, you can use it.

[PsyBearknot]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

screw HCl, completely unnecasary, screw vinegar too for that matter, vitC (aka ascorbic acid) yields the cleanest product of all the acids ive used.

Got a link for the use of the vitC in a tek?
Have not seen that one

[spyker]

Ascorbic acid, do a search... Thats the one. Spread the spice!

[extrememetal43]

oooo but i heard phosphoric acid is the best. Fuck that shit. Id say with the DMT tek it really dont matter what acid you use. If u got vinegar use the vinegar it will work just fine.

[slipp3ry]

my foaf has done 4 extracts, 2 AB and 2 straight to base. All 4 times he has gotten white DMT crystals after freeze precipitating. He foudn that the straight to base was much simpler, and worked just as well as the acid extract, and he knows he will not ever do an acid extract again.

I think the main problem with the straight-to-base extract is that most people call it the 'lazymans' and therefore think that you are cutting corners by doing this method. Well if both methods produce pure dmt, why take the extra steps, time, effort, etc?

this is what FOAF does, it is super simple, and it works perfect. It is pretty much foolproof. this is in the vaults, by the way, under the thread 'loochypoochs short, quick, simple spice tek using quart jars' , except i just added the method for freeze precipitating instead of evaporating at the end--


Required Items
Agents
- Any amount of MHRB (preferrably 100+g)
- Roebic Drain Cleaner (Basic Lye)
- VM&P Naptha (Non-Polar Solvent)
- Distilled Water
Tools
- Turkey Baster
- Stainless Steel Utensil
- Glass Pie Dish
- Quart Jars with Lids
Note: You will need one quart jar for each cup of MHRB powder (100g of MHRB is about 1 cup powder).

Step 1 Prepare Bark:
1) Break and twist up the MHRB by hand into as small pieces as possible,
no need to hurt your hands. Use plyers if the bark is tough.
2) Put a handful of the broken up MHRB into the blender to turn it to
powder.
3) Empty the powder from the blender into a bowl or large measuring cup
and repeat blending until all of the powder is ready.



Step 2 Mix Jars:
4) First, add two cups of distilled water to each empty quart jar.
Note: Put on goggles and rubber gloves for this part...
5) Add three tablespoons of Lye to each jar.
[All of the jars should be about half full of black liquid now.]
6) Stir the liquid gently with the stainless steel utensil.
7) Slowly and gently add 1 cup of MHRB powder to each jar.
Be careful not to splatter or spill.
8) Stir the powder gently until it is absorbed into the black liquid.
9) Add around 150ml+ of Naptha , but make sure there is room to shake contents.
10) Wipe the tops of the jars and put the lids on, then shake thoroughly.

Let the jars sit overnight, shake every now and then....

Step 4 Syphen Naptha
1) Syphen the Naptha off the top using the Turkey Baster and squirt it into the glass Pie Dish, being extremely careful to get only the clear Naptha and no black gunk (lye).
2) Add about 150ml more Naptha to the jar, shake and let sit overnight for a second (and then third) pull.


Step 5, freeze precipitating-

Allow about 1/2 to 2/3 of the naptha to evaporate off , outside. If it is really hot out, dont put it in direct sunlight. The naptha will get very cloudy and almost opaque. This is what you want.
Take the naptha and now put it into the freezer and leave it for at least 18 hours, or as long as 3 days. The longer you leave it, the more dmt will fall out of the solution and form crystals, but the naptha can be used again in your next extract, so i usually leave mine for about 18-36 hours tops and reuse my naptha in the next pull. Make sure you have it in a container that will allow you easy harvesting of the naptha crystals. A pyrex baking dish works best but must be sealed well with seran wrap to avoid moisture building in your naptha when in the freezer. Make sure that the dish or jar you use is SEALED tight. Do not disturb it or open it while it is in there.
After 18 hours+ , take the container out, and pour off all of the naptha through a coffee filter into another container. The coffee filter will catch any floating dmt crystals that might be in the naptha (if there are any), but the majority of the crystals will be stuck to your container walls and bottom. Use a razor or another tool to scrape all the crystals out of the container, and you will now have your white DMT. You can further clean the DMT with an ammonia wash by putting it in a coffee filter and dripping NON-SUDSY 10% ammonia over it.


this method is tried and tested, works well, and eliminates the lengthy acid steps. You can see all the members attesting to the validity of this method in the thread in the Vault.

if you dont have quart jars, you can use tomato sauce mason jars, which are half-quart jars. Just divide everything in half.

[slipp3ry]

basically if you want a super simplified version of this, all you do is--

glass quart jars, use one jar for each 1 cup of powdered MHRB

add 2 cups of distilled water to each jar

add three trablespoons of 100% lye to each jar, stir until absorbed

add 1 cup of bark to each jar, stir , solution will turn black

add 150mL of VM&P Naptha to each jar , shake it up vigorously. Make sure the jar is watertight before shaking.

allow several hours for solution to seperate (2-3 hours), then shake again. Do this three or four times, leaving it to sit for at least 3 hours at the end , unshaken, to allow for it to completely seperate.

suck up the naptha with a turkey baster and do not suck up ANY black gunk.

allow the naptha to evaporate outside overnight or until 1/2 has evaporated and the solution is cloudy.

Put in a freezer in a sealed container for 18 hours undisturbed.

Take out of freezer, pour off all of the naptha through a coffee filter , quickly while it's still cold. Allow container to completely dry out for an hour or two. You will have white crystals in your container, harvest them with a razor or other tool.

[Hailee]

well first of all, you have to be using mhrb. it won't work w/o it. you didn't specify, so i am assuming you are.

it's a no brainer!

i agree, hcl is nasty and completely unnecessary! vinegar works perfectly fine...

with that being said, go straight to base! just add your base to the mhrb, preferably ground, and in a crockpot or deep pan on med heat.

this foaf always strains the solution through cheesecloth before adding the naptha, but it isnt a problem.

lazy man is much easier and all my sources get a better yield than a/b extraction!

good luck!

[sangraal]

Agreed w/ all of the above. Vinegar (ascetic acid) will work fine. Use white vinegar. With DMT, you don't have to drop the pH incredibly low as HCl will do if you're not careful- of which it's not necessarily a bad thing, just not required. A pH around 4 (some say 5ish) is all that's needed and vinegar will facilitate that process.

Phosphoric acid IS great but it's hard to come by in decent form unless you have access to a lab and its also a bit more unstable than HCl.

STB is fine with MHRB, as there isn't exactly a lot of lipids in the bark, but entire process with most anything else, particularly chacruna, Acacia obtusifolia or other "foliage" with that contains the spice.

[STLawesome]

Just wanted to chime in here..


Any acid SWIM has used worked fine.

The place that SWIM saw a difference was in the ending steps.

Freeze precip always had the whitest white to come around.
Evap came up yellow and gunky but it still worked (kinda like mexican schwag works but its not the best)

Re-xtallation always makes a big difference in the end too....

[retack]

a nice variation on stb is that as soon as you have your siphoned-off naphtha, drip in some fumaric-acid-saturated anhydrous acetone (fasa). the mixture will start to go cloudy, this is dmt-fumarate immediately starting to precipitate. keep dripping in the fasa until it stops getting any more cloudy, cover and let sit.

you'll have a nice clean layer of dmt-fumarate salt at the bottom of your jar, which can be washed with acetone and will keep longer than the freebase. it's good for anything except smoking now, much more mild, and can be leisurely converted back to a freebase if desired with a little water, lye and naphtha.

it's good in that you only have to wait for precipitation of salts, which is faster/cleaner/easier than evaporating and freezing naphtha. the naphtha can be recycled as-is for the next extraction. once you're sure you've got all the dmt-fumarate out (you can just super-saturate with the fasa), you can wash the naphtha with water to remove acetone/water/junk, and re-use at a later date.

[sweatloaf13]

I have to chime in and give my endorsements for using ascorbic acid. I buy the 1000mg tablets(Vitamin C)at the local C%^ or Wal@#$%&s pharmacy for a few dollars. Crush 'em up as much as you can when you use 'em. Always gives me the cleanest results.