what do you think of this aya recipe?

[chrisnh]

first off, i know alot of people don't like to use syrian rue and mhrb. but that's what this recipe calls for so that won't change

3grams of syrian rue
10 grams powdered mhrb

the rue finely ground with a coffee grinder and then added to lemon/water (1:3). that will sit overnight then be strained through 2 coffee filters

the mhrb will be "Washed" in vinegar/water(1Tbsp per quart). the powder will be put in a crock pot with about twice the volume of water as the powder(?). the crockpot will go on high for about an hour then some more winger/water and turned on low for approx 12 hours(?). then it will be strained off and the liquid put into a mason jar. more vinegar/water will be out in the crockpot with the mhrb for another 12 hour soak on low. that will be strained off into the mason jar with the other pull and the powder will be discarded

all the liquid will go back into the crockpot on high(?) and unflavored gelatin will be spooned in and stirred. amount unsure, but until it seems to have congealed properly. the congealed gelatin(and the tannins it's removed hopefully) will be separated from the liquid and discarded. the liquid will go into the fridge overnight to see if anything separates. if it does separate then another gelatin mix will be done, if not it will be simmered down to reasonable amount to drink in a few gulps.

so what do you think of this? other than the ingredients, what would you change? do you think this would be better/worse than an iso/everclear tar extraction that was dried and put into capsules? thanks

[Arbol]

What you are making is NOT Madre Aya. Aya is Caapi with Chac or Chali as the admixture. MHRP is NEVER used in Aya prep.
What you are making is tech known as PharmaHuasca.
go to the ayahuasca forums and read up on the prep section and trip reports.

Is that for 1 person, if so you are in for a very rough trip, all you need is 3-4g max of MHRP, add another 4g of Harmala and you will have enough for 3 journey's.

vinegar does not evap out and taste bad. The MHRP is going to make up toss your lunch no matter what you do to it.

Have Fun!

[warrensaged]

I gotta say that recipe sounds a whole lot more complicated then making a traditional brew where you just boil the 2 plants together, 3 times and filter out the plant matter, then boil the remaining liquid down to an amount you feel you can drink!!

If you are choosing this recipe because the plants used in it are considerably cheaper than buying the true Ayahuasca plants, B.Caapi & Chacruna (or Chaliponga), then you should also expect a much "cheaper" experience!!

S.Rue & B.Caapi are light years away from each other as far as the spirit of the plants are concerned.
Rue will inhibit MAO making the DMT orally active, but the Caapi has a presence, or intelligence that is there to help you interpret and understand the visions. She will speak to you, in your language, out loud!! She will help you get through a dark or hard to handle experience, if you ask her to!! And there will be dark & hard to handle experiences and you will want her help!!
Making tea with the Caapi vine alone will also prove this to you, without the DMT. This is highly recommended to those looking to start a relationship with the vine!! Ayahuasca is also not something you do one time and expect to "get it", or "be cured". Ayahusca is a way of life, if you approach her slowly and with respect, like you would a new girl/boy friend, she will remove the "physical" veil between all of us, that makes us appear to be separate entities. You start to see how everything you do to anyone else, you are only doing to yourself, as we are all one!!
I know how this sounds like New Age, crystal rubbing bullshit. I thought that too, until drinking the tea.

If your reason for wanting to try Ayahuasca is mainly to put another notch in your "psychedelics" belt, look somewhere else!!
Ayahuasca is a medicine!! Serious medicine!! Not just another Drug to get a person fuuucked uuuuppp maaaan!!
It is not just a 4-to-8 hour DMT trip!!
In fact, DMT & Aya have very little in common, except the fact they both contain the DMT chemical.
Sometimes there are no visions, no colors, no feelings of contact with other beings or realms but the person taking the brew still gets the full healing & curative effects of the brew because she helps you with what you need helping with.
If you drink Aya just to get fucked up, there is a good chance nothing at all will happen, no matter how much you drink!! There is also a good chance the she will show you and make you deal with your deepest, darkest fears! She may show you your own personal image of hell and make you experience your evil side to its fullest extent, aimed right back at you!! This might happen even when Aya is taken with the purist of intentions, sometimes a person may need to see how horrible they can be to others before they will understand how wonderful they can be!!

In one of the episodes of the TV show "Weeds", the main actress takes Ayahuasca with her boyfriend, he explains to her what to expect by saying, "It [Aya] is like 10 years of psychotherapy in one night." This can be fairly accurate, especially if you are carrying a lot of mental baggage!!

Also, the vomiting is not always caused just by the tannins etc..., the vomiting is usually a purging of the negative shit in the body. Physical & mental!! Trying to avoid or prevent this from happening is to totally miss the point of taking the medicine in the first place.
Thats not to say one shouldn't try to make the tea as clean as possible, but if you over do the cleaning, there is a good chance you'll also remove a good portion of the actives!

Good travels to you!!

WS

[Arbol]

WS, you have admitted on Aya forums you've only tried Aya once, and that was not even enough to get off as you said. you brewed a tea that was nowhere even close to being a true dose and only consume half.
YOU HAVE NO CLUE!!!

your advice is wrong.
nuf said.


weeds aya episode was pure BS.
10 yrs theapy is WRONG.
You have no clue to what Madre Aya does.

stop your cut and paste advice on all forums till you know whats up.

[warrensaged]

WS, you have admitted on Aya forums you've only tried Aya once, and that was not even enough to get off as you said. you brewed a tea that was nowhere even close to being a true dose and only consume half.

Yes I did, when that was the case.
And my experience is limited, although I don't think I said anything that implied differently.

I have gone much, much farther than that now.
Unless you have been peaking in my windows, you have made some very big assumptions my friend.

As far as the comment about the "Weeds" quote, I said it "can be fairly accurate", as in not entirely true but with some merit.

I only say that because I've now had other extremely deep and heavy Aya journeys, one had absolutely no visions but my psychological suitcase was definitely cleaned out mercilessly!! It was not a "fun ride" by my standards but I now know why it was needed!!
I also drank of the same brew a few nights later & spent most of the journey in the arms of someone/something being cradled and caressed through the experience, which I entered into with much fear that it would be the same effect as the night earlier. As I drank the tea, I asked her to help and guide me and this time I felt protected by her and like I was being show the differences between who I think I am & who I actually am. Which was wonderful and frightening at the same time.
I am also very experienced with S.Rue teas, more so than Caapi and have felt the differences for myself.

I don't open my mouth (keyboard) unless to speak from experience. At the same time, I do not feel the need to report everything I do in my life & every experience I have to these web forums.

My main point I guess was that Aya is not a "party time" or "something to try", for me at least, it is a medicine. I guess you don't agree with that, alright.
...and I'm sorry that you didn't read it that way.

WS

[bobdolerson]

Originally Posted by warrensaged

Also, the vomiting is not always caused just by the tannins etc..., the vomiting is usually a purging of the negative shit in the body. Physical & mental!! Trying to avoid or prevent this from happening is to totally miss the point of taking the medicine in the first place.

Is that some opinion without even a hint of empirical evidence I smell?

Yep...that's the stuff.

[AndyLandy420]

[quote=bobdolerson;591174]Is that some opinion without even a hint of empirical evidence I smell?

quote]
whats wrong with opinion (based on personal experience)? wouldn't you imagine the guy who started the thread wanted peoples "opinions" on how his recipe would work. besides how are you gunna have "empirical evidence" on something completely personal and in the realm of the spirit not the labratory? "yes yes, you see i simply recorded all of the inputs and data, empirically mind you, to form a precise protocol for finding the deepest secrets of your soul."

[warrensaged]

whats wrong with opinion (based on personal experience)? wouldn't you imagine the guy who started the thread wanted peoples "opinions" on how his recipe would work. besides how are you gunna have "empirical evidence" on something completely personal and in the realm of the spirit not the labratory? "yes yes, you see i simply recorded all of the inputs and data, empirically mind you, to form a precise protocol for finding the deepest secrets of your soul."

Yep...that's the stuff.

Cheers Andy!!

WS

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yea, and no need to flame

[Psilo-somatic]

"If you drink Aya just to get fucked up, there is a good chance nothing at all will happen, no matter how much you drink!!"

Thats absolute rubbish. If some moron decided to take a huge dose without realizing or respecting the power and potential of the sacrament they just imbibed they would most likely have a very bad *very intense* trip. Keep in mind the last thing im advocating is recreational use of any hallucinogen, but a higher dose is a higher dose, regardless of ones intent.
Also, just because rue is cheaper doesnt mean the experience will be "cheapened". It has a different ratio and higher concentration of harmals. SWIM and many others prefer it over caapi. You use less plant material, thus lessening that as a possible nausea factor.
Its whatever floats your boat WS, but accurate imformation is a must...

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by Psilo-somatic

"If you drink Aya just to get fucked up, there is a good chance nothing at all will happen, no matter how much you drink!!"

Thats absolute rubbish. If some moron decided to take a huge dose without realizing or respecting the power and potential of the sacrament they just imbibed they would most likely have a very bad *very intense* trip. Keep in mind the last thing im advocating is recreational use of any hallucinogen, but a higher dose is a higher dose, regardless of ones intent.
Also, just because rue is cheaper doesnt mean the experience will be "cheapened". It has a different ratio and higher concentration of harmals. SWIM and many others prefer it over caapi. You use less plant material, thus lessening that as a possible nausea factor.
Its whatever floats your boat WS, but accurate imformation is a must...

i think that could go either way, i for one have gone about ayahuasca wrong and no dose of aya will make me trip when thats the case. NO DOSE!! but then again ive had small doses womp my ass into oblivion. i would be more inclined to think nothing would happen.

[chrisnh]

wow, a lot of back and forth on this one.

as far as the spiritual side of "aya"(or what ever you want to call what i was talking about, i have a ryobi circular saw, i still call it a skill saw) i don't have a spiritual side, i don't believe in anything even remotely spiritual. that being said i've experienced a spiritual like feeling on shrooms, but i believe it to be a chemical reaction in my brain, much like love,anger etc are chemical reactions. i've felt a female presence with salvia, but i don't believe it's real. no more real that the wall melting before my eyes.

ya, i know it sounds more complicated than it needs to be, but i'm thinking it's worth it if it helps reduce nausea(again, i don't believe it's trying to teach me anything or making me puke because i'm not pure, bad chinese food isn't medicine, but it makes me puke)

for people who believe these things, more power to you. for you, the experience may be all the things you say and more. i certainly don't want to take away from anyone's experience regardless of what i think. but i know what i believe and don't believe, so i don't take those things into consideration when planning.

yes, i know it's not true aya, yes i know people think there is only one justifiable reason to take it(btw, who has the right say that? some say the same about shrooms...hell many shamans would say the same about tobacco) but that doesn't mean if your reason isn't for medicine that you are just a dumb kid looking to get "fucked up maaaaan". you can hike a mountain for spiritual reasons, you can do it for the exercise , or you can do it cuz a buddy bet you that you couldn't make it to the top. what matters is what did you get from the experience. that only i can know and only after it happens.

what i'm really looking for is opinions on the method itself as far as preparation, likelihood of success(both in reducing the chance of puking and having a viable dose), things that could be added or taken out. if you've done something similar, how did it go? etc.

thanks

[AndyLandy420]

i always go 1:3 , rue:mimosa by weight, make as much as you want and then drink what you need. boil then strain out plant matter, reboil plant matter with fresh water, do that 3 times, combine all 3 pulls and reduce on medium heat until its nice and concentrated.

[chrisnh]

to those that believe the gelatin helps with nausea, will it still help if you do an alcohol extraction or just when using water? if using alcohol, will iso work as well as everclear? assuming you properly evap it. thanks

[warrensaged]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Psilo-somatic (what do you think of this aya recipe?)
"If you drink Aya just to get fucked up, there is a good chance nothing at all will happen, no matter how much you drink!!"

Thats absolute rubbish. If some moron decided to take a huge dose without realizing or respecting the power and potential of the sacrament they just imbibed they would most likely have a very bad *very intense* trip. Keep in mind the last thing im advocating is recreational use of any hallucinogen, but a higher dose is a higher dose, regardless of ones intent.
Also, just because rue is cheaper doesnt mean the experience will be "cheapened". It has a different ratio and higher concentration of harmals. SWIM and many others prefer it over caapi . You use less plant material, thus lessening that as a possible nausea factor.
Its whatever floats your boat WS, but accurate imformation is a must...

i think that could go either way, i for one have gone about Ayahuasca wrong and no dose of aya will make me trip when thats the case. NO DOSE!! but then again ive had small doses womp my ass into oblivion. i would be more inclined to think nothing would happen.

This has been my experience too & what I have witnessed in others. I was in a group of 4 people a few weeks ago, we all shared of the same, well made brew and the one guy in the group who couldn't wait to "see some cool shit", didn't get any effects but a "heavy stomach". The rest of us were well into the other side!!
Found out later that he had taken 3 more FULL doses while the rest of us were in the spirit world!! Nothing, and this was a strong brew!!

One of the others, who decided he was an atheist & needed to remind all of us about that fact regularly. He was "ready" to ask god, and I quote, "a thing or two about suffering in this world" (seriously!! ...my buddies, huh) Well he, after drinking a single does of that same brew, spent the next 4 hours weeping and sobbing about "being sorry, he couldn't take all of this".
After talking the next morning, he told us that he got his chance to "ask a few questions", and said he was given the opportunity to experience all of the love possible in the universe if he was willing to experience the all of the suffering for 1 minute. That minute was sometime within the first 5 minutes of when the Aya had come on fully. The rest of the time was him basking in "gods" infinite love, which is what he was saying he could not handle. He said he felt so guilty and unworthy of this love that he was begging to be back here among the physical "suffering", until he stopped causing so much of it!! Thats a long night in my book!!
The other two of us had more "average" experiences, if there is an average Ayahuasca experience. I just mean, nothing that heavy.

BTW, these were traditional Caapi/Chacruna brews, (120g-Caapi/80g-Chacruna=1dose-60ml, Like I said, rather strong brews) brewed with intentions being "blown" into it with Mapacho Tobacco during brewing. Our main intention we all agreed on was for Ayahuasca to show us the nature of this plant/human combination, in relation to the four of us in particular. Like, why were we all, very diff people & yet old friends, drawn to this particular tea in our vry separate ways, at the same time? I think she gave us exactly what we asked for!!

I've never had these kind of "god" meetings with S.Rue teas and oral/smoked DMT, which I've done quite a lot. The Caapi is a force, more so than I could have ever thought. Weather that sounds cheesy or not!

As far as cleaner brews having less purging effects, try taking a Harmala/Harmaline extract as clean as you can get it, & clean DMT (pharmahuasca), a good dose of that will still make you purge if your need it. Once again, just my experience.
If your taking about puking while still trying to drink the stuff, thats one thing. Purging 30-60 minutes into it, after the effects are stabilizing, thats a different thing in my book.

Cheers

WS

[Skatterman420]

Originally Posted by Arbol

WS, you have admitted on Aya forums you've only tried Aya once, and that was not even enough to get off as you said. you brewed a tea that was nowhere even close to being a true dose and only consume half.
YOU HAVE NO CLUE!!!

your advice is wrong.
nuf said.


weeds aya episode was pure BS.
10 yrs theapy is WRONG.
You have no clue to what Madre Aya does.


stop your cut and paste advice on all forums till you know whats up.

Who the fuck are you?

Apparently someone needs some more spiritual healing, or too pull the stick out of his ass.


Please Expert:
Lets hear your advice?

[chrisnh]

my god, is it possible for a thread about aya anywhere on the internet to stay focused on the original post? wow, i thought we were better than that here. thanks to those to had something to say about what was asked. i welcome any more thoughts anyone has on the actual topic at hand.