What would you do with Datura?

[aumbrellaforainydays]

I went camping and brought back some datura seedpods and cuttings.
i also have some dry flowers, what kinda dose is a one flower?

[rocketman]

Are you 100% sure its not brugmansia ?

[Norman]

Either way, you shouldn't take it.

[rocketman]

These are some pics and I added glossary terms for both brugmansia and datura .

Right: Brugmansia
Left: Datura

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I agree, unless you've done a lot of research and you know exactly what your getting yourself into, it may not be a good idea

[rocketman]

To give you an exact answer is not really possible as the differences are vast between species and even different plants in the same genus. I personally do not think its worth the risk. Google Jimson weed .

Both are in the nightshade family

[aumbrellaforainydays]

i believe its Datura wrightii... think grand canyon jimsonweed.

Most parts of the Datura plant contain atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine, alkaloid poisons having "anticholinergic" effects, i.e. they cross the blood-brain barrier and inhibit acetylcholine (the main neurotransmitter used by the parasympathetic nervous system). These three drugs relax muscles and glands regulated by this sytem, and thus find uses in anaesthesia and as antispasmodics. For example, scopolomine has been used in minute doses as sleeping medicine, but if overdosed can produce "delirium, delusions, paralysis, stupor and death". Symptoms likely to be produced by these drugs include urinary retention, dry mouth, throat, and skin, blurred vision, headache and nausea, dizziness, flushing, fever, euphoria, hallucinations, and short-term memory loss. Little wonder, then, that intoxication with Datura (which contains all three of these chemicals) typically produces "effects similar to that of an anticholinergic delirium": "complete inability to differentiate reality from fantasy (frank delirium, as contrasted to hallucination); hyperthermia; tachycardia [rapid heart beats]; agitation, including bizarre, inexplicable, and possibly violent behavior; and severe mydriasis (hyper-dilation of the eye pupil, due to inibition of acetylcholine function), with resultant painful photophobia that can last several days. Pronounced amnesia is another commonly-reported effect."

http://www.saguaro-juniper.com/i_and...ra/datura.html

[rocketman]

Jimson weed is a type of Datura.

[Beast]

They make a beautiful ornamental in your yard. I love watching the massive flowers unfold. They smell nice too.

Do a little searching and you'll find plenty of people saying never to try it, plenty of horrid experiences from uninformed eager to get high idiots, and maybe 1% of what you find will be written by someone who's actually tried the stuff and liked it and found a way to work with the plant without getting hospitalized or injured.

This is something that you're going to have to do your own research on, don't expect anyone to respond to a thread like this with anything but warnings.

Though I've heard smoking a single dried flower is a good way to start. The leaves roots and seeds have much higher concentrations of the alkaloids, and the ratios of atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine all vary from part to part, plant to plant, and species to species.

I have a flowering brugmansia that I'm considering trying this with. Though I'm quite content to just watch the flowers grow. I have a feeling its more fun to sit and watch the plant grow, and smell its flowers, than smoking it. lol

[dead_diver]

Rule of thumb is Brugmansia flowers hang down and Datura/Jimsonweed flowers point up. At this stage in my life I think the only thing I would do with Datura is admire the flowers. If you do decide to try it I would recomend smoking it instead of eating it. Eating it almost guarantees an uncontrollable ride. Unpleasant is an understatement.

[zombiewoof]

Pure nasty shit. Neither pleasant or enlightening. If you've ever seen someone under the influence of this group of chemicals, you won't consider playing with them. I remember seeing a guy sit in a chair that was not there in a room that was not there. Plus when /if you wake up in jail or the hospital, you won't remember what happened.

[bobdolerson]

You know when you wake up and remember some absurd things in your dream that made sense at the time, and the dream you went along with them?

Deliriants are not the tripping substances you're used to.

Think looking in the mirror and not knowing it's you, then getting pissed off that this bastard is mocking your every movement, so you break the mirror.

Think talking to a childhood friend you haven't seen in years who runs out the door. Why not follow him? Into the street? Into the woods? Into someone else's house?


If you don't have an extremely experienced trip sitter, don't dabble in that shit. Seriously. Fucking seriously. Last thing the tripping community needs is another moron who died from a hallucinogenic episode.

[CoyoteMesc]

Take a great picture with my camera, tip my hat to the plant and walk on
by. If it was on my land, I'd pull it up including the roots and bag it to the dump. I wouldnt want to chance my animal/s eating that stuff.

Probably kill it. It's not native here and I wouldn't even consider taking it at this stage in my life, probably never.

Unless you know what you're doing, don't play with it, it is a very dangerous plant.

For an extreme example of what datura can do on the negative side of things, read the following attachment.

[Beast]

I had a big deadly nightshade plant, Atropa belladonna, growing in my yard for awhile, and I had a few chickens for eggs too. They'd eat all the belladonna berries they could, though I'd read that two would be enough to send me to the moon. The eggs were always delicious and I never tasted anything wrong, and the only thing I noticed about the chickens was that their pupils would briefly (1-2 seconds) dialate. They never bothered the leaves or flowers.

[Doctor D]

Originally Posted by Beastmaster

the only thing I noticed about the chickens was that their pupils would briefly (1-2 seconds) dialate. They never bothered the leaves or flowers.

Maybe the pupil dilation thing is just a 'bird thing'. Parrot pupils constrict and dilate like crazy when they are excited or angry, it's called "pinning and flashing". I guess a dude named Beastmaster doesn't need to be educated on birds though, eh?

[Norman]

Nightshades are known for their eye dialating properties - hence belladonna's name.
I have never found datura to be effective when smoked.
The alkaloid content varies wildly - even seeds from the same pod can have differing levels - so the only safe(ish) way to dose orally is to make a tincture and start with a ridiculously low dose and work your way up.
Don't fuck around with this one - the difference between an effective and a lethal dose is well within the margin for error of trying to guess a dose of plant matter.

[joluvs2gro]

I actually have quite a bit of experience with datura. I found a nursery that was actually selling a shitload of them for $1.00 a piece. They were called datura metel "Black currant swirl". They are a very beautiful plant. The only real enjoyment I ever got from them was when I SMOKED small amounts of the dried flowers. If you make tea it gets too out of control and too pannicky. The main thing they are good for is to invoke dreams, vivid vivd dreams. I had the wildest dreams and I actually remembered them which I normally do not. Just a few hits frm a bowl is all I took.

[dead_diver]

Originally Posted by Norman

I have never found datura to be effective when smoked.

I used to occasionaly smoke the new growth leaf from double purple flower Jimsonweed that grew in my yard. A joint between two people would defenitely give a noticeable stone and cotton mouth with mild visuals in the dark. Never had any luck with smoking seeds or the flowers of Datura, Jimsonweed or Brugmansia.

[bear]

Throw it away.

(or leave it undisturbed in the field)

[aumbrellaforainydays]

when you see one though, its like seeing a big ripe berry bush. it looks too good not to notice (if the smell doesnt catch you). thats why i am interested in it. it looks just, exotic. even the moths that pollinate it are a freaky kinda bug. one goal in my life is to grow as many exotic and freaky consciousness altering plants, then how can i not include this one? i can already see salvia, morning glory, kratom, san pedro, peruvian torche, blue lotus, khat, yopo, kava, coffee, cocao, coca, chinese ephedra, sassafras, yage, chacruna, syrian rue, nicotiana, virola, nightshade, mandrake, henbane, peyote, cannabis, fly agaric, psilys, and a colorado river toad to catch flies. imagine...

Just because it can alter your state of mind is not a reason to take it. Not every drug has something positive to offer you.

[Skatterman420]

Yeh, It'd be safer not to doit. Especially if you have people who don't need to be seeing you on the shit. Anyone who doesn't know your on datura will think your crazy hehe.

[EmmisonJ]

maybe plant it and grow them around the mailbox strictly for decorative purposes, i would never consume them. in fact i'd hesitate to put them on the mailbox in fear that pets might eat it or some such. i would personally never consume it because it's dangerous and i wouldn't enjoy a deleriant

[twoguysupnorth]

our pets dont seem interested in it but hummingbirds do. it does smell very nice in flower. not like roses or too strong but a nice intriguing smell, sort of delicate and sweet. i wouldnt use them ever again either but i am getting a collection of different types just because as someone said i like to collect different plants especially since they can be active. i wouldnt have ever grown the flowers if i wasnt but since i did i am glad. when we move to our new place it will be one of the flowers near the door for scent purposes.

[prism]

I think I have some of your seed going on now Twosy...

The envelope said La fleur on it...

[real_psily]

I would just admire a nice plant. There are many brugs near me and I love them. My kids used to put the flowers on their heads like little elf hats. They never got sick or hurt. They are great to look at. I have never had nor heard of friends having a pet eat any part of them.

aumbrella
I don't discount the need of a few individuals to get the cosmic dog shit kicked out of them (As Yerbaadam said i think) from time to time. If that is your bag then have at it. Be safe about it.
Also I share your love for ethno-gardens and was disappointed you left off Passiflora incarnata The flowers are some of the most exotic I have had in my garden. I'm sure you would love them depending on your climate.
So..Plant the seeds and if you need mother nature's ass whooping either smoke a flower or I like the tincture idea. Just be careful if ya do! Nobody can whoop ass like mother nature!

[suckerfree]

I have some datura seeds if anyone is looking to add to their gardens...
might be a little late in the year to plant outside... lemme know
(offer for growers only, no experimenters)

[twoguysupnorth]

yeah, prism you do have some seeds going on. they were from me but i havnt even grown them yet. i saw a thread the other night and wanted to reply but our pc is a fickle thing,lol. i believe they are from a woman on the eastcoast if that helps at all. i just wanted to share since she gave so much. sometimes i have more seeds than i can plant in a yr but i try.

[aumbrellaforainydays]

yes i would like some seeds to grow. thanks, i will grow a passionflower too, but it might have to stay inside the greenhouse for the winters... well, actually a lot on my list might have to. anyone else have any ideas, i will gladly adopt that plant as well (for aesthetic purposes).
i would love to see just what kind of insects become attracted to this psychoactive mind-fuk garden.

[twoguysupnorth]

hehe a magical place for sure. i overwintered my datura indoors cutting it back some. it tried to flower during the winter but the buds all fall off before they open. a greenhouse should work as long as it never really freezes.

[513orangejuice]

I would personally take some pods, and boil em down + filter till i got a goo. Then i would mix that goo with some dryed out datura leaf, and get fukkered up.

[IntotheLabyrinth]

The college i go to planted a shitload of these around campus. I noticed them and thought thats what they were, and upon further research, sure enough. I wonder if it was some hippie student worker who thought it would be funny to plant them or what. They sure are pretty to look at though.

[lyqwyd]

I'd talk to buckaroo bonsai about it (if he's still around here), he's pretty into deleriants and dissociatives. Hip thinks its dangerous, and it is. if u want to experiment start small and work up SLOWLY!! amazonian curanderos put brugmansia into yage brew along with all sorts of shit, including nicotiana rustica. that article about the german kid who chopped his wang (and tongue?) off with a pair of garden shears while tripping on datura is enough to incite extreme caution. they sure are pretty, would make lovely addition to a psycho garden. on agan, pm buckaroo if he's around and see what his opinion is. g'luck, be safe

[tyler]

Personally, when I see datura... I pack up my shit and run the hell away from it. Its a knee-jerk reaction that I have developed for it after I got to know it.

[Johnny Myco]

Hey...where's that article about the Boy who drank the tea from this stuff...and cut his own penis off. True story, very sad. I believe it was from England. I saw it on this forum...or another. Datura= trouble...for sure.

See my above post for that article.

[chronic_minded]

well where im from we call it moon flowers....it fucks you up hardcore they are pink nd white and they will make you shit your pants lets just say for two days my mind was gone....WELCOME TO YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE its a dream you cant remember but will never forget???? make sense to the childrn of THE MOONFLOWER

[dead_diver]

I used to live behind a tourist attraction called Sunken Gardens, I'm sure some of you have heard of the place. There was a monkey cage at the gardens that was under a huge Brugmansia tree. One of the monkeys used to eat the flowers from the tree, the poor little guy was bat-shit crazy from it.

[twoguysupnorth]

both moonflowers and brugmansia are actually different plants, but all are sort of active in the same way. moonflowers grow on a vine, datura grows as a shrubby plant and brugs. will actually grow into a tree with the right conditions. they are often called the same thing though.

[KingKanibalKiller]

SWIM ingested jimson weed in tea form. he used a large plant w/ all seed pods,seeds,and the leaves and stems. tea was made w/ ground plant material and approx 3 gallons water simmered for 2 hours strained and reduced to approx a gallon SWIM and 2 FOAF's ingested 3 tall shot glasses of the tea.

T+40mins Extreme drowsiness MASSIVE BODY LOAD
T+1 hr asleep
T+3 hr awakening for 1 to 2 mins at a time trying to get up and falling flat on face
T+5 hr walking around def not awake falling, hallicinations talking to people who arent there, talking to a ballcap like it was a phone! over and over with that hat FOAF was obsessed with the hat!
T+12 hr FINALLY BACK!

while a FOAF didnt have a negative exp the two others did indeed have a bad time one ending up in jail for a good long while
take at own risk IT IS NOT FOR FUN IT WILL FUCK YOU UP NOT IN A GOOD OR MANAGEABLE WAY AT ALL FOAF WAS VERY LUCKY TO BE AROUND PEOPLE WHO LOVED HIM AND BABYSAT HIS ASS ALL NIGHT!

[GrandPersecutioner]

Err.. when one approaches a friendly dog, with fear in his heart- the dog will bark. Sometimes, the dog will bite.

When one approaches a very mean dog with innocent love, that same man-eating dog may simply roll on its back to have its belly scratched.

I really want to believe Datura is as evil as everyone says.. but I heard the same about Amanita, and ime all the reports were simply untrue.

One night I drank a case of beer on a an empty stomach, after working hard in a long day of heat. I found myself at a houseparty full of criminals, and gangsters. At one particularly startling point, I had the host up in my face screaming "why the fuck did you call my girlfriend scum? Shes the mother of my children you fuck!" I replied, "You met me 3 hours ago and invited me here- I think youre all great and I would have never said such a thing".
After he broke my willing, surrendered nose, they packed me a bong. I ate the dope from the cone, and drank the bong water to everyones surprise-including my own. I believe I became possessed wih the spirit of a comic book character, Tom O' Bedlam and continued on my merry way to challenge chaos.
I am told that I jumped the neighbours fence and wresteld lovingly with their pitbull. I walked the streets and threw my shoes at the full moon. I met strange people, and did strange things. I can't remember very much at all, but I do know that I have met chaos many times and lived. We all have.

Personally, I have eaten many wild fungi before identifying them. When the spirit of a plant calls me, I know it beyond any external advice. The centre of my heart always tells the truth, and no amount of fearing onlookers can steer me otherwise.

I would like to suggest that all entheogens are sacramental, and potentially lethal allies. Such is the path of the shaman, or wannabe initiate.

I have never tried Datura, but now that im researching it further.. I realise that it has been calling me for years, and those plants which piqued my attention, are in fact Datura.. I see no reason why not to approach it as cautiously as any divine herb.
To me, it feels like wrestling with a pitbull. Its only as safe, as you are mad enough to try it.

There is no reward without risk.

Datura just seems to me, a harsher master than most.

[EmmisonJ]

outside of the psychonauts here who are the closest thing to education professionals there is, every story i've read about that stuff ends up in a hospital or arrested or an experience where someone is amazed they got through the experience without doing something stupid and will never touch it again.

it's a deleriant, this means you won't have much grasp over your reactions to things unless you're experienced. if this is something you have to do then start very very low, then the next week do very low, then the next week do low. and keep it at that, you get my point.

BTW i've never done it, you're MUCH better off doing LSA or some mush

[witchdr11]

HEED THE WARNINGS.

[omentheduck]

What would i do with datura? hmm
well for one , now i would just look at it maybe smell the brugses flowers,
if you do anything else with it IE :de ad: be careful and i know that i am with saying that but I think it should be said agian!

[njwes06]

never tried it but ive been told of its affects.
i was told by my friend that he went blind for 3 days from having too much.

[GrandPersecutioner]

Just to follow up on my bs..

I went and approached that barking dog. Wednesday night.
On sunset with dying light just by the river, I found a patch just near where they told me they would be. It wasn't barking. But, it did have one eye open.. feigning slumber, yet remaining very aware of me. No wagging tail- kind of just hovering..
It was quite weird that they'd moved. No sign of the previous 'grove' of greenery. We walked silently to them, and I knelt down in prayer.

Thinking a lot about anything, usually taps me into it pretty closely- and the intrigue of the moon blossom was no exception. I already had a couple of vivid dreams about the plant- and some 'bizarre' experiences. I was only really going to 'have a look' (I told myself) or to simply 'see' how they felt about me.
The thing is, I love where they grow. I love how green, and cool and lush their habitat seems. I also love how 'stark' they can be, in the way they expose themselves by a track or road- but also how they travel along waterlines.

I knelt down and asked them some questions. I got some good answers- and then I humbly, and fumblingly asked if the time was right that I may work safely with it. Perhaps even as an allie. You see, I don't know the old ways- but I know enough, to understand the spirit of a way, and to offer myself in within that- Its a way of offering my vulnerablity, and my whole truth as my qualification of another- even as it is offered as a qualification of me.

The answer came as a solid and consistent feeling of comfort and correctness in the centre of my torso. As I opened my eyes, I noticed the one dried out standing stem complete with several seedpods right in front of me. As if in answer to the query - 'May I take some of you with me?' So, speeding the natural process the plant may have already been engaging- I very carefully removed one small stem and several seedpods.

Once in the car on the return trip home.. after having several beers, and meditating on the summer heat with the seedpods.. I placed one small black peppery, and irregular shaped seed into my mouth.

Immediately I understood the stagnant water.. Earths dead concrete.. Symbiosis and the danger of some of things the plants had to teach. I already feel I believed that the plant was misunderstood, so psychologically I was already in deep rapport with my own projection of the energy I was working with.
I had some deep insights, and couldnt wipe the image of the Datura grove from my mind. That same image has been with me for many days, and so have some more of the increasingly bizzarre happenings.

Since ingesting several seeds- 1 and then 1. And then on another day, 3 seeds.. I believe the spirit will vist me in trance. Usually just after sunset. I have since learnt how to sing songs.. that change the bodies energy.. and how to speak in tongues. I have had vivid picutres in my mind, of gatherings aorund the fire... and shamans wearing brightly coloured clothes and head dress. I feel far more connected to dark green plants, and feel like I understand something new about Earths persepctive.

I am looking forward to carefully misplacing a few seeds to grow.. and to experience the beauty of their nighttime flowers.

I doubt I will ever pursue a psychedelic/delirant expereince with them.. as I have already dreamt it, and seen it in trance.. and feel I've already been there. I feel that I understand Datura's nature much better.. and also the importance of growing and working with your own plants versus simply raping the greenery to get high.

So there you go. So much to learn from things on the energetic level- and so much safer too

[kompton]

toss it, thats my .02

[Soliver]

Well, madly poetic, inane rantings aside, this plant will fuck you up badly, and to even
suggest that ingesting mushrooms without proper ID is a good idea if you "feel it in
your heart" should be a bannable offense, IMO - that's simple stupidity. As a large source
for this type of info online, I would think that we have SOME level of responsibility, at least
enough to not disseminate wrong / destructive / stupid information....
Ideally, people would know better, but it that was the case, we wouldn't get this "I wanna
try datura" thread every two to three weeks...

You can also get high from huffing gasoline, but just because two people report "not
too bad" experiences with it, doesn't mean that we should support it's usage.

I suggest to Mods a sticky in this forum, something like,

"DON'T BOTHER MESSING WITH OR ASKING ABOUT DATURA."

Then an amalgamation of experiences, including the "I cut my dick off" story; lock it and leave it...

ack,

soliver

[omentheduck]

Originally Posted by Soliver

Well, madly poetic, inane rantings aside, this plant will fuck you up badly, and to even
suggest that ingesting mushrooms without proper ID is a good idea if you "feel it in
your heart" should be a bannable offense, IMO - that's simple stupidity. As a large source
for this type of info online, I would think that we have SOME level of responsibility, at least
enough to not disseminate wrong / destructive / stupid information....
Ideally, people would know better, but it that was the case, we wouldn't get this "I wanna
try datura" thread every two to three weeks...

You can also get high from huffing gasoline, but just because two people report "not
too bad" experiences with it, doesn't mean that we should support it's usage.

I suggest to Mods a sticky in this forum, something like,

"DON'T BOTHER MESSING WITH OR ASKING ABOUT DATURA."

Then an amalgamation of experiences, including the "I cut my dick off" story; lock it and leave it...

ack,

soliver

I fell ya on the first part , but I do believe that ppl should be able to ask about it , maybe he would have just tried it with out any caution at all, not saying there appeared to be too much, just my opinion.

another option would have to have read reports on erowid or read some of the posts that were already posted here ....

not trying to argue puff puff pass