Iboga [merged]

Well, let me tell you, they sure don't tell that much from the reports on the net about Tabernanthe Iboga/Ibogaine. It says you get little to no withdrawal, it fixes your receptors and it cleans out your system. Well, this is only partially true.

The thing is when you take the first small dose, about a gram of whole plant extract, you get no withdrawal for a while and you also don't get the trip. It's like taking some methadone(the withdrawal will come if given in little doses as well, so prolonging the session seemed pretty counterproductive).

So crazy me decided I would take 5 grams of extract, since I was told she gave one guy 12 grams and he had a religious experience and it changed his life for the better. I was told to search deep in my consciousness to find how much I should take, and not to be shy. So, I decide at first at 2 grams, then 3, but finally said the hell with it, give me 5 grams.

I took it and was told to go relax and lay down while it kicked in. I went to the bed and layed down, totally comfortable. A few minutes, maybe a half hour later, I decided to get up because I was getting bored, but it was definitely starting to kick in because my limbs were heavy and it was getting hard to walk.

Then I started to see flashes of white lines around every object and especially those that moved. My vision would pulse from these totally black backgrounds with the white zig-zagged lines from the moving objects in the room or from when I would move. So they said you'd better lay down before you can't walk and I complied. I laid down and almost immediately started to dream and my whole body felt pretty numb, plus I heard a buzz in my ears as if I was in a concrete tunnel and I was hearing reverberations from some steady hum or buzz.

Then came the visions. Now they usually say you see primitive peoples, many times black folks, which would have been great for me since I am actually more comfortable around all blacks, even when I went to jail. For some reason I think they understand me a little better then much of the white race. Anyways, I didn't see black folks, I saw middle eastern people and I imagined I was in Iraq or somewhere similar. I think that had something to do with the fact that I had watched a special on Saddam Hussein on the history channel just a few days before.

So here I am, seeing these Osama Bin Laden MF'ers with those machine guns you always see them with on TV. Then I would also see Islamic people fighting and big artillery being fired off. In my mind I was in a desert type bunker trying to hide from the blasts, but I was actually lurking around in my bed under these heavy covers.

I also imagined that I was in these lavish halls created for Saddam and his people and there were huge, fat, gluttonous middle eastern people that were trying to control the masses, yet they were so fat they would roll around instead of walking. There was a woman related to them who was also fat, but not nearly as huge as the fat brothers(I imagined they were all related). They were telling her she was beautiful and could be a symbol of the beauty of their society, if she'd only try and slim down a bit.

Now, at this time, I could understand none of this was actually real, so I tried to change my thinking but it wouldn't work. So I tried to get up, but that is when the vomiting started. I was throwing up day and night for 2 days and I think I lost about 5 pounds. I was already thin and have lost about 30 pounds since I had been lowering my dose of methadone, so this trip really made me frail and weak. The visions lasted about 24-36 hours with periods of awakeness with the same black flashes with white lines that I described earlier.

Okay, so I guess you can imagine what type of crazy visions I was getting, so now I'll get to the physical part. When I came out of the trip I could barely move to walk, but I managed to come out of the room to try and get some nourishment.

Everything in the NL tastes funny to begin with. Their soda doesn't even taste the same. I think it has less sugar or something, because it doesn't taste right. Their juices also taste syruppy and not what I'm used to, so it was rough trying to find something appetizing. Also, if you know what opiates do to your smooth muscle in your stomach that pushes your crap through, then you can understand how hard it is to eat normally when it isn't under the influence.

I was told after I got there it would have been better to switch to heroin for a week first, because heroin detoxes are less hard on the body and it goes much quicker. But it was too late and she didn't want to tell me to break any laws, so what can you do?

Okay, so now I am awake and very weak but I can't smoke a cigarette because they tasted soooo nasty. The herb was the only thing that I could smoke and be happy, but the high wasn't that enjoyable as it usually was. It did help with sleep though.

So I slowly would move around more and more but it was still very hard on my digestion and I am still not feeling too good in that department. Tomorrow I will go to the clinic to see if I can get Milan, which is for stomach problems and is what another addict I know used when he kicked methadone.

By the second or third day out of the trip the withdrawal actually started to come in, not normal withdrawal but more of anxiety and not sleeping, plus yawning, watery eyes and sneezing attacks. The chills weren't as bad but I did feel cold for days under my skin. Just mild discomfort but the withdrawal did return, much milder than any other detox, but never-the-less withdrawal, and it comes in waves.

It was like how I felt after my first detox, which took about a week. So that means it took about 3-4 days after detoxing from methadone to feel the same as a week after detoxing from heroin by using non narcotic pills and various other drugs to treat the symptoms. No night sweats, although I get them now, occasionally, and I slept every night I was there, with the help of melatonin and a few valiums(took about 5mgs once or twice a day of the valium for the couple nights after I came out of the trip). It is still gonna be a while before I feel like I did before I started using but I am farther along than I would have been any other way.

I also made it worse because after the Iboga I was so wigged out and wanting to feel normal that I smoked a bit of heroin(probably second or third day after coming out of the trip), which happened to be very crappy, but just enough to give me a good nights sleep and make me able to stand the taste of cigarettes(which was very stupid because I was trying to quit those as well).

But I am an addict and when it's available it is very hard to resist, especially in the state I was in. I need to be stronger and to just go through a good month or so of pain, but I get so desperate sometimes it get's almost unbearable.

But the good news, I have methadone at home that I haven't touched and I haven't taken anything since I've been home besides a vicodin occasionally and Cannabis, the main healing medicine that I know is going to see me through this. Now I don't want to get anyone in trouble so I won't mention where I got the dope but I wish I wouldn't have.

Okay, so now you know about the Iboga and my nightmare trip(which I would probably do again, once I am totally clean of everything, or maybe I'll use it once more to conquer the cigarettes, which wouldn't be such a problem if I could only smoke Cannabis). Unfortunately, it is a struggle just to keep my Cannabinoid levels right, since I am broke and can't grow my own under my current living arrangements but my friends and family are still helping me, so I hopefully won't have too much more trouble.

I am still having a lot of trouble sleeping for more than an hour or two at a time, but getting up and getting the adrenaline pumping with some hyped music gets my mind off the pain for awhile. I am glad I have no connections for heroin or money because there are times the pain gets so bad in my stomach that if I could I would score.

I cannot do this and I know it, but in my mind there are some points that seem unbearable and even though I know that it will eventually pass, my mind gets very irrational when I am sick. I find it helpful to tell everyone I'm with about these feelings (even if it disappoints them to hear it) because I don't really know if I am strong enough to do it alone.

Also, taking the Vicodin occasionally is only aggravating the situation but it also allows me to start working to pay back the money I owe. I am going to have my girl ration them out and gradually get lower if I really need to but so far in the several days I've been home, I have only eaten 3 of them and that is only when the Cannabis won't help the pain.

I guess since it's only hydrocodone in 5 mgs and tylenol, so it's not that bad, but being an addict I really have to be careful and let my girl hold them so I don't go overboard and develop another habit. I am proud in a way that I am not dependent on methadone anymore, but I don't want to depend on anything to be fully functional.

So, I will continually update my progress and if anyone cares, I'll tell you how I'm doing. I am disappointed it is still as hard as it is because I expected a miracle cure, but this is only a miracle tool and it will take much more than just that to beat the monkey.

Okay, now about my conscious time in A'dam. Since I was so sick, I never went to a coffee shop, nor did I see the red light district, however, I did meet one of my idols and favorite breeders, Soma, from SomaSeeds in the Netherlands. He had some super potent mushroom tea and the lady I stayed with had also added peyote to it I believe. I only had a sip to take away dome of the edginess, but it was good and a mixture of many types of psychedelic mushrooms. The woman had 500 peyote buttons in every window of the house, she had her own Cannabis(powerplant) and a number of connections, including Soma.

Soma gave me a joint of some skunk weed he was smoking on and it was so strong that it made my whole outfit reak like skunk just from carrying it in my cigarette pack. I also got some waterhash and SAGE and Amnesia Haze, which was some of the best pot I've ever smoked and it was all totally organic, so every hit tasted like it smelled.

I now know Soma plus his daughter and her husband happened to be staying at the same place I was. It's sooo cool to have met a guy that I've read so much about and that I had looked up to as a Cannabis breeder.

I didn't get any pictures for some reason and I was too sick to really get out and around but it was over all a very wonderful learning experience and definitely worthwhile for anyone serious (and I mean dead serious) about getting clean, because although it is a much more humane enviorment and much more spiritual and introspective journey, it isn't a piece of cake, miracle, quick fix, it is still a long hard road made easier by Iboga.

I'd be happy to tell more but I am at work and it is over an hour after closing time, plus my kids just got dropped off so I have to run. Any questions or interests and I'll be happy to indulge further into my insights and experience, but until then, Peace be with you!
PB

(Message edited by PissyBee on March 29, 2004)

[phalanx]

Anyone know what the tripping dosage is for Iboga? I looked on the net but reports generally don't mention the exact quantity, or else it is pharmaceutical ibogaine measured in mgs.

I saw a report by Pissybee who said he took 5g of extract, but I don't know how much more potent that would be compared to plain rootbark. I wonder what 5g of rootbark powder would do. It is quite expensive to buy so that would be my max dose.

I doubt 5gs of rootbark powder would be enough. I took 5 grams of the alkaloid extract, which would be way more than the rootbark. If you have HCl then 1 gram should be plenty, and it is around the recommended dose for addiction interruption therapy. I would suggest joining ibogaine@mindvox.com (a mailing list) and then ask there. If you do join, be aware that you'll get probably 50+ emails a day unless you subscribe to the digest. There is a lady named Sara Glatt on the list that could probably answer your question better than anyone here. She is the one that gave me the extract that I took and she is one of the better known Iboga session providers in the world. Howard Lotsof, one of the main Iboga proponents, belongs to the list and may also be a good person to ask. Just send a blank email to that address with subscribe in the subject line to join.

[phalanx]

Thanks PB!!!

I found an interesting supplier of 5x extract:

www.indra.dk

It seems that you need at least 20g of rootbark for a decent trip. Very expensive!!!

Yeah, I think the extract I had was from them, but I'd have to double check, I believe they sell the whole plant extract. I took five grams of that. It was definitely very strong and I probably could have tripped off of less. More is required for addiction interruption then for just the trip.

Wow, it's actually not that expensive. If I could order it to the US, I would immediately. I'd like to take another 5 grams if I could. At least once or twice a year, even.

Phalanx

The Bwiti cult use a massive dose of 15 to 50 times the threshold dose for their initiates.Even this dose is only used once in a persons life. It is called "the breaking of the head". Smaller doses are used after that. Ott says the threshold dose is 20 grams, so a "breaking of the head" dose is 300 to 1000 grams. This seems almost toxic to me. One would have to be very carefull..
This dosage is for the rootbark.

I would try to do as much digging as I could before trying this. It can be very toxic. Search " Bwiti cult " and see what you can find.
I have tried 20 grams of the rootbark. It was VERY speedy to me. Much like the "speed" effect of too much acid, without the "entheogenic" effects.

This info is on page 371 of Ott's "Pharmacotheon".

(Message edited by roo on January 28, 2005)

When I ate 5 grams of extract it knocked me on my ass and I didn't feel "speedy" at all, I had total immersion in another world. Like a dream state, but if I tried to move I could sense reality, but moving around or doing anything was very difficult and it caused nausea. I'm a little crazy anyway, though, so big doses don't worry me. If you're gonna try the indra extract, I would try 3 grams or less, especially for the first time, and make sure you have a sitter. Liver and heart problems can be triggered by iboga, so make sure you're healthy before dosing. If you wanna be real safe, get an EKG and a liver function test from your doctor to make sure everything is functioning properly before dosing.

5 grams of the 5X extract would be like 25g of the rootbark.

3 grams sounds like a good place to start. It was very speedy to me. Everyone reacts diff to this from what I understand. Peyote seems very speedy to me, but not everyone.

Did you have any visions using the 5g dose? Have you tried Amanita muscaria or Fly Agaric Mushrooms? I have heard people say the trip sort of reminds them of this.

[phalanx]

Roo, I have Pharmacotheon and never thought to consult it. Doh!!!

Maybe iboga could be combined with maoi to boost the potency of a low dose. It would work out far cheaper. 1g of extract would be equal to 3g or thereabouts. The disadvantage is that it could be fatal. Never heard of anyone doing it. At 25 euro per gram it would save a lot of money if it turned out to be safe. I'm sure some madman will try it sooner or later.

How long does the trip last? Many reports say a few days but they usually seem to involve re-dosing.

(Message edited by phalanx on January 29, 2005)

(Message edited by phalanx on January 29, 2005)

You mean you have "the bible" and did not consult it!!!??? LOL! The book of "Saint Ott"...

I understand it can be a physicly hard trip in good visionary doses. I would stick to the brew..

They use it in a clinical setting to cure opiate addiction. You may want to do some digging here also. It holds great promise in this area. Perhaps one of these sites holds aditional info. There is an underground movenment in the US regading this as well as the "clinical" use of the brew.

I'm researching my first Iboga experience. I've contacted Maurice at Maya who I like a lot, and he has recommended that a high dose of his root bark is about 10 g. He sells 50g for $170.00 USD.

I ran across another site from Canada called Ethnogarden Botanicals that sells for almost half the price $110.00 CAN. However, their site indicates a typical clinical dose (not necessarily relating it to their product) is about 16-45 g.

Does anyone out there have experience with Iboga root bark, and whether the potency varies that much. Does anyone have any personal experience with Ethnogarden Botanicals? Thank a lot!

[Hippie3]

might pm
pissybee, i think he knows a bit

Originally Posted by dgshroom

I'm researching my first Iboga experience. I've contacted Maurice at Maya who I like a lot, and he has recommended that a high dose of his root bark is about 10 g. He sells 50g for $170.00 USD.

I ran across another site from Canada called Ethnogarden Botanicals that sells for almost half the price $110.00 CAN. However, their site indicates a typical clinical dose (not necessarily relating it to their product) is about 16-45 g.

Does anyone out there have experience with Iboga root bark, and whether the potency varies that much. Does anyone have any personal experience with Ethnogarden Botanicals? Thank a lot!

Well, I hope I can help... I know a few sources you can check to find out about rootbark and probably the answers to all your questions...

I didn't do rootbark, I took whole Iboga extract from a trusted source in the Netherlands... Sara Glatt is well known in many circles as a great Iboga healer.. I took about 5 grams of whole alkaloid extract for addiction therapy, which is pretty hefty dose, although she said she had a real big guy take like 12 grams of the extract and he was fine...

www.indra.dk sells extract for pretty cheap, but I have no idea of their quality. Of pure ibogaine Hcl the dose is much lower.

Ethnogarden was good to me before and the owner even sent me some Voacanga Africana to try since it was supposed to have some iboga alks in it... So, I think he is a reliable source, but I haven't much knowledge about the potency of his or any rootbark, so I have a few places you can check...

I suggest starting a free email addy at yahoo or hotmail or whatever, and sending an email to ibogaine@mindvox.com with subscribe in the subject line... You'll get about 30 emails a day from them, which is why I suggest a separate email address for them, but the experts and experienced folks are there. Sara Glatt and the man who discovered it's addiction potential, Howard Lotsof, who has been working on getting it used everywhere since the 60's, are both members as well as some that use rootbark. Anyways, I hope that leads you to your answers, and like here they have many regular members that will be able to answer most of your questions everyday...

Also, one of the best sites to read all about it is www.ibogaine.org

Let me know if you have trouble finding any answers I'll try to help more...

[Soliver1]

I've been curious to try Iboga, but all the sources I know of won't send to the US
due to it's illegality in this bass-ackwards country.

PB- interested to hear about your experience - ever try any lower dose levels?

thx,

sol

I only did it once for addiction therapy, but I would love to do it again... I tripped over 30 hours, but most of it I just layed in bed and was in like a dream, I was conscious I was tripping but I didn't have much control... Just like watching a movie, except you're in it but can't affect things. I also puked for many, many hours to get out all the toxins I had in me(methdaone and more)... The real insights came after the trip, too. Hard to explain, but one of the most spiritual trips I ever had. I had a lil bit mailed to the US before, but it was from a individual, not a company... Maybe have a remailer service in Canada? I don't know... Definitely worth a try or two...

Thanks Pissybee, I appreciate your info, and I will be sure to post my trip report when I've taken my first one. It will be a while, at least 5 weeks or so, after I return to Canada to do it the legal way. God Bless Canada.

7:40 pm: [pissybee]> ao who wants the full iboga trip report in chat?
7:41 pm: [lsd_freak]> sure, lets hear it pb
7:41 pm: [pissybee]> I did it last year
7:41 pm: [pissybee]> well someone was curious so I figured I'd share with all
7:42 pm: [pissybee]> Okay...
7:42 pm: [pissybee]> so, I took my last dose of methadone th morning of the flight...
7:43 pm: [pissybee]> I had been slowly driopping 2 mg's a week for the last several months and was down to 12mgs a day from 100mgs
7:43 pm: [pissybee]> I was dropping 5mgs every two weeks before that
7:43 pm: [shedthemonkey]> weening off of H?
7:43 pm: [pissybee]> til I got down to 30
7:43 pm: [pissybee]> methadone
7:44 pm: [pissybee]> I had been H free for about two years before weening down the methadone
7:44 pm: [pissybee]> so I flew to A-dam a 13 hjour flight and got there in the am, whe I would normally bne taking my normal daily dose
7:44 pm: [pissybee]> I was feeling sick and my ride was late so I just chilled and worried
7:45 pm: [pissybee]> but Sara showed up and I instantly felt better
7:45 pm: [pissybee]> after the ride to her house I got minor withdrawal, which I was used to since I was weening for weeks before hand
7:45 pm: [pissybee]> so she said you don't feel good?
7:46 pm: [pissybee]> lemme give you the test dose to make sure you have no allergies
7:46 pm: [pissybee]> she gave me a ball of the alkaloid extract, maybe a gram or less
7:46 pm: [pissybee]> so soon after, I felt like I took a dose of methadone. felt normal
7:47 pm: [pissybee]> We went to visit Soma the Cannabis breeder
7:47 pm: [pissybee]> his daughter was taking the treatement a dayu befor i arrived or so
7:48 pm: [pissybee]> I smoked the best ganja with him and he gave me a spliff since we wwere leaving and he gave Sara some shroom tea, for after our trip
7:48 pm: [pissybee]> so we get back and smoked her powerplant and talked til the evening came around and I was ready for the full dose
7:49 pm: [pissybee]> she yold me to decide what I wanted to take, because only i could decide what was acceptable for me, she told me a few ways that seemed like some shamanic mumbo jumbo and also told me some of her past treatments and their experiences
7:51 pm: [pissybee]> one huge guy did 12g of extract, but I wasn't ready for that, so I decide on 5grams, since she had success on three and the highest was 12, which was for the trip, not addiction therapy
7:51 pm: [pissybee]> so she put the 5 grams in capsules and I swallowed em quickly and smoked more herb whichj was being done in abundance
7:52 pm: [pissybee]> after an hour I started getting kind of slow vibrationas and buzzing
7:52 pm: [pissybee]> so I went to lay down
7:52 pm: [pissybee]> I got up after laying down for a half hour, but was getting bored...
7:53 pm: [pissybee]> and when I stood up I got like white flashes, was gettimng hard to concentrate and had weird white flashing patterbs, they saiud go lay down so I copmplied
7:54 pm: [pissybee]> after a few hours I was seeing weird visions, but soon it started to get violent
7:54 pm: [pissybee]> I saw middle eastern people shooting off heavy artillery and weird conflict, I saw huge fat mideastern guys that were fat and having a feast
7:55 pm: [pissybee]> all the people were fat and gluttonous
7:55 pm: [pissybee]> so while I saw the heavy artillery shooting I was in bed trying to hide under my imagined sand bunker
7:56 pm: [pissybee]> then the puking and nausea came, I was out of it and remember little but puking for hours and hours
7:56 pm: [pissybee]> every few minutes I puked my guts out
7:56 pm: [pissybee]> had trouble getting to the bathroom, but eventually when i calmed down I could lay down and the nausea would subside for awhile
7:57 pm: [pissybee]> after 18+ hours of on and off puking with periodic visions
7:57 pm: [pissybee]> I slowly becamne lucid and I could understand what was going on around me
7:57 pm: [pissybee]> I then felt rushes of feelings and guilt
7:58 pm: [pissybee]> I cried
7:58 pm: [pissybee]> another patient brought me in headphones with some tracy chapman and it helped me cry out all my guilty feelings
7:58 pm: [pissybee]> over the next evening I slowly came around
7:59 pm: [pissybee]> and eventually I felt starved
7:59 pm: [pissybee]> had been damn near two nights and a whole day of puking
7:59 pm: [pissybee]> so I got up and started to rejoin the living
7:59 pm: [pissybee]> I felt cold and weak and very hungry but my jaws were very sore and it was hard to eat anything
8:00 pm: [pissybee]> maybe an orange or a few small pieces of bread
8:00 pm: [pissybee]> I had some crap but not too bad diarrhea or anything
8:00 pm: [pissybee]> I never felt I was gonna die
8:01 pm: [pissybee]> so after that I had minor anxiety and agitation
8:02 pm: [pissybee]> but after the trip my ,mind was telling me that I didn't need all the man made drugs and crap, nor did I need the sugar and all the guilty pleasures that were associated with my brains reward system, I felt it was all just a trick and decided to change my ways
8:03 pm: [pissybee]> but the discomfort and my drug addict mind told me to figure out a way to get dope, just for a night of relief
8:03 pm: [pissybee]> I was given a valium and slept well the first night after
8:04 pm: [pissybee]> then the next day I talked friends into scoring me some dope
8:04 pm: [pissybee]> it was shitty, wouldn't break down without vinegar
8:04 pm: [pissybee]> so I ended up smoking it after the first shot
8:05 pm: [pissybee]> but it got me way high off a lil bit and I felt guilty again
8:05 pm: [pissybee]> when it was time to go I had just ran out and I started feeling crappy at the airport again
8:05 pm: [pissybee]> so I went to the bar and had a few drinks before my flight
8:06 pm: [pissybee]> when I was on the flight i had some minor withdrawal but nothing too bad, just stomach bubbles and stuff
8:06 pm: [pissybee]> when I got home I was like I am done...
8:06 pm: [pissybee]> no more opiates
8:07 pm: [pissybee]> I took a few vicodins when i got home to help the minor symptoms
8:07 pm: [pissybee]> and herb helped a bunch
8:08 pm: [pissybee]> I went to the methadone clinic to tell em I was better and ended up scoring two bags of dope, which I did the same day
8:08 pm: [pissybee]> the next day I felt guilty again and suffered throughout the day
8:09 pm: [pissybee]> then I had some powdered methaodne pills from a big batch I bought for doing dead tour
8:09 pm: [pissybee]> I took just a pinch on the tongue, maybe a few milligrams a day ovber the next week
8:09 pm: [pissybee]> and when it was gone, I stopped
8:10 pm: [pissybee]> no real wd's afterwards
8:10 pm: [pissybee]> nothiong herb didn't handle
8:10 pm: [pissybee]> and now a year+ after I am clean
8:13 pm: [shedthemonkey]> pb, where did you hear about iboga?
8:14 pm: [pissybee]> the net
8:14 pm: [troutlips]> and how much did it cost?
8:14 pm: [shedthemonkey]> would you recommend it?
8:14 pm: [shedthemonkey]> do you think it was the reason you kicked the bad dope?
8:15 pm: [pissybee]> the total trip with plane tickets and stay and herb and food, everything, was about 2,200 bux
8:15 pm: [pissybee]> yes shed it wokred, I never been through such an easy detox
8:16 pm: [pissybee]> and I could have had another dose, which was recommended for such a long addiction and especially to methadone such a long acting opiate
8:16 pm: [pissybee]> but I wasn't ready then
8:16 pm: [pissybee]> just came out, and my stay was only for a week I needed a longer stay to be more sure, but my determination pulled through
8:17 pm: [pissybee]> no piece of cake cures, but with short acting opiates, many addicts come out cured totally
8:17 pm: [pissybee]> one dose
8:17 pm: [pissybee]> no bad feelings
8:18 pm: [troutlips]> would it work for other addictions?

supposed to work for a number of drugs, including cocaine, opiates, alcoholism, and possibly even benzos... I only read claims, not enough actual hard data...

[Hippie3]

that damn chat is buggy as hell, eh ?

[vrooota]

thanx for posting that pb, interesting stuff

[I_am_me]

I just realized I read almost the whole thing backwards, no wonder I was having a hard time following the chain of events.

Backwards? The time stamp is there, LOL.. It is in the right order like you'd read anything, too... What, too long to read it normally? I'll go through and edit out things, have mostly just my story, I was just too drunk last night, as you can see from all my typos...

[I_am_me]

I'm used to chat scrolling backwards and just read it that way.

I got too high to read for a little bit this morning, sorry.

[Lefty]

Fascinating PB! Really happy for you! Burroughs headed to South America to try that stuff, reported it was the most horrid trip ever but he wasn't trying to kick. Ever checked out Heroin Times, online mag? They talk about ibogaine, too. Still illegal in the states, probably because it might work for some folks.

Deborah Mash is doing the clinical trials and trying to get her version patented for use in the US... Good info at www.ibogaine.org

[Soliver1]

Thanks for the writeup PB - fascinating stuff there

congrats on staying clean, the miracles of mama nature and the
human mind never cease to amaze . . .

soliver

[Hippie3]

bump

man...this was a great read PB..thnx for sharing...

Been opiate free(including methadone) since end of march of 04 and no problems whatsoever..

[Hippie3]

congrats, pb.
pretty damn impressive.
stay on the path, buddy.