eating San Pedro RAW!

mo8ius · 11-25-08, 22:27

is this the simplest method? just eating the damn thing raw?
If one were to eat it raw I would assume not to eat:
1. the needles
2. the plastic-like skin
3. the core
I hope my assumptions are correct.

Question is: would a person get the same amount of mescaline just by eating it raw?...or does it need to be boiled in a magical cauldron to unlock its powers?
If I had a 1 foot piece of San Pedro and ate it right off the pot, would i trip hard as if I took that amount and made extract??

I guess I will know soon. Thanks in advance. I like this website.

Shadowlord · 11-25-08, 22:55

No eating it raw will not waste anything at all. It is just hard going. Most don't like tasting the tea, so eating has been considered to be quite a task even though that is how many of the indigenous peoples took it. May be a lot more body load too as you get all the magic plus the cactus flesh that would be strained out in the tea process.
Let us know how it goes. I've tried most methods but I have not eaten the cacti. I'm most interested to hear your report!

Oh, and you guess correctly, despine and cut the flesh away from the woody core. With the skin, a purist will probably say you need to eat that too!

but if you do skin it, do it as lightly as possible as I believe I have read that most of the magic lives not far beneath the skin.
Irishlion,Rocketman or one of our other cactus experts will confirm or correct me on that.

Irishlion · 11-25-08, 23:00

I agree shadowlord I am very interested as well, although I don't see him making through 3 to 4 nice big bites of that nasty tasting shit LOL.

Although it is well worth the taste. IMO better off doing a tea bro. No chewing LOL as you will soon learn chewing up cacti is quite the task. I personally have never seen anyone ever get through a whole 12" cutting of any cacti.

But, as shadowlord stated I am very interested in knowing the result of eating versus teaing.

Anyway we can assist let us know.

Shadowlord · 11-25-08, 23:02

Well that didn't take long

Irishlion must have heard me mention his name

mo8ius · 11-25-08, 23:09

i got a picture. once i figure out how to post pictures i will show you guys what was eaten... about 12 inches (I saved the top 6 inches for replanting) its been 30 min and there I 75% is down. Yes it does taste grosser after every bite. The slime turns into foam when chewed. not pleasant.

I picture the ancient art with the shaman holding the san pedro cactus. I could picture him taking a bite out of it...and thats whats going on here!

I will post back later on what happened.

Irishlion · 11-25-08, 23:14

well man when I make tea i use the whole fresh cutting of the cacti, All of it as IMPO the skins only contain about 70 to 75% of the cacti's overall akaliod profile. If you are wanting to get the whole bang for your buck better off using the whole thing to get it all. But, if doing a extraction or whatnot then you want you skins to be about 3/8" thick and again this is my opinion as I do it. But, then again opinions are like assholes everyone has one.

Irishlion · 11-25-08, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by mo8ius

i got a picture. once i figure out how to post pictures i will show you guys what was eaten... about 12 inches (I saved the top 6 inches for replanting) its been 30 min and there I 75% is down. Yes it does taste grosser after every bite. The slime turns into foam when chewed. not pleasant.

I picture the ancient art with the shaman holding the san pedro cactus. I could picture him taking a bite out of it...and thats whats going on here!

I will post back later on what happened.

Dude you are braver than me. Congrats if you finish the whole thing. Oh and your in for a ride LOL. BTW whats the diameter of that particuar cacti if you can still type LOL.

mo8ius · 11-25-08, 23:44

I ate the one on the left...the taller one. I'm guessing I ate 12-14 inches and left the top few inches to be replanted. the diameter is at least 2 inches. I could eat the core down until the bottom 7 inches got too fibery. So its been an hour and 15 minutes and can notice something. Something I've never done before! yay. I hope this was worth it.

Shadowlord · 11-25-08, 23:54

Much respect for enduring the extra trouble in ingesting it whole and fresh

I hope that you are greatly rewarded on your journey.
Post here or open a new thread in the Storming the Gates Forum.
To post a picture click the post reply rather than typing in the quick reply area. Scroll down to the part where you see the add attachment bar and click and the upload box will open.
Can't wait to hear how the cactus treats you being taken this way. I found tea to be stronger or maybe just different in feel than extracted Mesc. ( not that I don't like extracted Mesc.

) Am looking forward to hearing what getting everything that the cactus has to offer.
San Pedro should be a good choice this. I found San Pedro tea to be a smoother feel than P. Torch tea.

cuts · 11-26-08, 00:00

Eating the cacti raw would give you the best array of alkaloids, the first time i tried cacti i just blended it and drank the juice

good luck.

pubensis · 11-28-08, 00:47

Good job! LOVE is the answer...

whatchamacallit · 11-28-08, 01:10

Any word on how this went?

Irishlion · 11-28-08, 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

Any word on how this went?

He's probally still throwing up LOL.

Shadowlord · 11-28-08, 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

Any word on how this went?

Yeah, I'm waiting to hear back from you Mo8ious!
I'm hoping you haven't been back because it was a big , great long trip that was fun and then was too busy to post due to Turkey day.
I sure hope it went well for him!

cuts · 11-28-08, 03:01

I bet he had a fun time. Eating the whole cacti and throwing away nothing he had to have. Hes a trooper.

PsyBearknot · 11-28-08, 08:31

Man id give props to him for eating raw. Outta Curiosity I cut a small chunk off and tossed it in my mouth for a chew and DAMN that shit was bitter. Id much rather use the pressure cooker and boil the magic into the water then cook it down to a shot glass worth.

I think Id much rather go the route Shadowlord's been using to extract, just have to get some confidence levels up to play around with the other ingredients used in the extraction process.

squizzlix · 11-28-08, 08:47

i went to the coalessence festival this year.
the bouncing bear folks were there.
people were just sitting around eating raw cacti.
it was quite the site!
it was a great time too.

i01231 · 11-28-08, 22:20

thats gross ...

steeq · 11-28-08, 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by squizzlix

i went to the coalessence festival this year.
the bouncing bear folks were there.
people were just sitting around eating raw cacti.
it was quite the site!
it was a great time too.

Haha, thats great! I almost made it to that show and had to cancel at the last minute, I'm sure it was good. I would have loved seeing this circle of cactus eaters.

on eating it raw.

Shroomette · 11-29-08, 10:22

Oh my goodness! Okay the cacti tea is purid tasting as it is But, a raw cactus. I definitely say more power to ya. My little stomach is too weak to even try that. it was hard enough to keep the tea down for a while. But, I would love to see the trip report on this. Bet it's an amazing long ride and very intense

AdamBomb1985 · 11-29-08, 12:53

LoL ... I hope he made it back from is trip. If you read this forum it looks like he just dissappeared .... Hmmmm.

Shadowlord · 11-29-08, 13:23

I had noticed that as well. Not a good sign. Hope it didn't turn out to be too uncomfortable experience. I was a little uneasy drinking the tea the first time. Luckily, I didn't have any discomfort, but I know I've read many a post from folks here that can't drink the tea because they feel so awful they can't enjoy the experience. Raw would be a rough ride for someone who didn't react to it well.

Once again, I hope he's just still digesting ( no pun intended, well maybe

) the experience and will soon come back and tell us all about it.

M&M420 · 11-29-08, 14:02

I was thinking of doing this but only after eating some miracle fruit.Supposedly it is suppose to make everything that's bitter taste sweet.It's the only way that I could possibly eat it raw.I can't even drink kratom tea because of the taste

Rico60 · 11-29-08, 16:13

I find it best to remove the pricklies and the outer skin, then chop into tiny pieces then blend it, then boil once, strain to remove the bulk, keeping the first liquid, then reboil the bulk in a little more water then strain once more. Mix both liquids together and allow to boil for another hour or so to lower the liquid content, until about 2 cups is left. cool it and take whenever

Om shanti · 05-31-09, 15:32

I'm just surfing for mescaline here, fell over this old thread and thought I'd add my little bit.

I ate about 5-700 grams of Peruvian torch in 2007, and it actually didn't taste too bad.. sort of like a bitter cucumber. I didn't feel nauseous or disgusted at all, though I can't say it tasted "good"... but I've had to suffer from much worse cooks than what Mother Nature did on this one. The torch tea I've had is a completely different story, that is really disgusting, it's like all the bad tasting stuff in one concentrate.

But the 5-700 grams just wasn't enough. At all. I only felt a light buzz. So for it to work properly I would probably have had to eat 1,5kg+... and that's a lot even for a glutton like me. Or perhaps it wasn't so bad tasting because it wasn't that potent, I don't know.

EmmisonJ · 05-31-09, 15:56

eating raw cactus is like eating a massive fresh apple that's been injected with dishwashing detergent, except bitter. it's juicy, crunchy, and frothy as hell after a little while.

haven't eaten a cactus in that fashion in many years, there are much better ways to go about things. but one things for sure if you can eat enough to trip, it's very rewarding trip because you feel proud of yourself for having been able to pull it off. eating cactus is no easy task. for swim it's easier to extract and purify some mescaline hcl than it is to eat raw cactus, but hey if you wanna try it then go for it. get rid of the spines, get rid of the waxy skin, wash it, then start by eating all the dark green undertissue. if you did a bad job skinning it then eat all the dark green parts from under the waxy skin (the skin tends to rip off the good parts along with it sometimes). after you're done with that then eat the lighter green parts, that way you get the strongest part in you right off the bat in case you throw in the towel then you'll get more out of it and won't be "wasting" as much because there's still considerable mesc on the light green tissue but less than the dark green.

Doctor D · 05-31-09, 16:04

I'm anxious to read your results, mo8ius, as I too want to partake of the raw cactus. I had heard others report on how harsh it was on the stomach, but after ingesting other supposedly harsh ingredients (i.e, syrian rue and ayahuasca), I'm wondering if the reports of nauseousness aren't a little overblown (or maybe I have a strong stomach).

The only time I made cactus tea, I tried a few bites of cactus and honestly I didn't think it tasted that bad. I think I could chew a foot or two of bridgesii with little difficulty. Maybe it's because I eat a lot of raw vegetables that I didn't find the taste so displeasing? It reminded me of green pepper.

Om shanti · 05-31-09, 16:15

Doctor D. - Yes, green pepper is not far off. I clicked on mo8ius' profile, and unfortunately he has not logged in since October, and it's not possible to send an email..

After reading EmmisonJ's reply I have to clarify what I did, because I wasn't as smart as Emmison. I ate every single little bite except the very spine, which was almost wooden, and the spikes I also skipped of of course. Doing it the way EmmisonJ suggests - eating the most active parts first - is obviously a much better idea, and might actually work for a large chunk of cactus, unlike what I did. Why was I so stupid? ;-)

Now I also feel like trying it again, the EmmisonJ way!

Doctor D · 05-31-09, 16:24

Aw, I didn't even read that yours was a bump of an old thread!

Saint Stephen · 05-31-09, 20:21

Sorry if anyone mentioned this already, but you don't want to blend it... It turns into a foam that is about 20 times nastier and more bitter, since the material gains surface area.

Phlux- · 06-01-09, 00:41

eaten it b4 - gf filmed it - haha
nasty way to consume it - some ppl dont mind- the taste is bad and it causes nausea more than the other routes.
Any consumption of cactus is worthwhile tho.

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11-25-08, 22:27	#1 (permalink)
mo8ius Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3	eating San Pedro RAW! is this the simplest method? just eating the damn thing raw? If one were to eat it raw I would assume not to eat: 1. the needles 2. the plastic-like skin 3. the core I hope my assumptions are correct. Question is: would a person get the same amount of mescaline just by eating it raw?...or does it need to be boiled in a magical cauldron to unlock its powers? If I had a 1 foot piece of San Pedro and ate it right off the pot, would i trip hard as if I took that amount and made extract?? I guess I will know soon. Thanks in advance. I like this website.

11-25-08, 22:55	#2 (permalink)
Shadowlord Shadowmancer. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,849	No eating it raw will not waste anything at all. It is just hard going. Most don't like tasting the tea, so eating has been considered to be quite a task even though that is how many of the indigenous peoples took it. May be a lot more body load too as you get all the magic plus the cactus flesh that would be strained out in the tea process. Let us know how it goes. I've tried most methods but I have not eaten the cacti. I'm most interested to hear your report! Oh, and you guess correctly, despine and cut the flesh away from the woody core. With the skin, a purist will probably say you need to eat that too! but if you do skin it, do it as lightly as possible as I believe I have read that most of the magic lives not far beneath the skin. Irishlion,Rocketman or one of our other cactus experts will confirm or correct me on that. __________________ Looking at a cookie is like looking at the future. Until you've tasted it what do you really know? And once you have, it's too late. ~ Merlin

11-25-08, 23:00	#3 (permalink)
Irishlion KEY MASTER Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,566	I agree shadowlord I am very interested as well, although I don't see him making through 3 to 4 nice big bites of that nasty tasting shit LOL. Although it is well worth the taste. IMO better off doing a tea bro. No chewing LOL as you will soon learn chewing up cacti is quite the task. I personally have never seen anyone ever get through a whole 12" cutting of any cacti. But, as shadowlord stated I am very interested in knowing the result of eating versus teaing. Anyway we can assist let us know. __________________ a man without honor isn't a man at all but, a soul trapped in a flesh body that is lost in a void of its own making

11-25-08, 23:02	#4 (permalink)
Shadowlord Shadowmancer. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,849	Well that didn't take long Irishlion must have heard me mention his name __________________ Looking at a cookie is like looking at the future. Until you've tasted it what do you really know? And once you have, it's too late. ~ Merlin

11-25-08, 23:09	#5 (permalink)
mo8ius Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3	i got a picture. once i figure out how to post pictures i will show you guys what was eaten... about 12 inches (I saved the top 6 inches for replanting) its been 30 min and there I 75% is down. Yes it does taste grosser after every bite. The slime turns into foam when chewed. not pleasant. I picture the ancient art with the shaman holding the san pedro cactus. I could picture him taking a bite out of it...and thats whats going on here! I will post back later on what happened.

11-25-08, 23:14	#6 (permalink)
Irishlion KEY MASTER Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,566	well man when I make tea i use the whole fresh cutting of the cacti, All of it as IMPO the skins only contain about 70 to 75% of the cacti's overall akaliod profile. If you are wanting to get the whole bang for your buck better off using the whole thing to get it all. But, if doing a extraction or whatnot then you want you skins to be about 3/8" thick and again this is my opinion as I do it. But, then again opinions are like assholes everyone has one. __________________ a man without honor isn't a man at all but, a soul trapped in a flesh body that is lost in a void of its own making

11-25-08, 23:44	#8 (permalink)
mo8ius Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3	I ate the one on the left...the taller one. I'm guessing I ate 12-14 inches and left the top few inches to be replanted. the diameter is at least 2 inches. I could eat the core down until the bottom 7 inches got too fibery. So its been an hour and 15 minutes and can notice something. Something I've never done before! yay. I hope this was worth it. Attached Thumbnails

11-25-08, 23:54	#9 (permalink)
Shadowlord Shadowmancer. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,849	Much respect for enduring the extra trouble in ingesting it whole and fresh I hope that you are greatly rewarded on your journey. Post here or open a new thread in the Storming the Gates Forum. To post a picture click the post reply rather than typing in the quick reply area. Scroll down to the part where you see the add attachment bar and click and the upload box will open. Can't wait to hear how the cactus treats you being taken this way. I found tea to be stronger or maybe just different in feel than extracted Mesc. ( not that I don't like extracted Mesc. ) Am looking forward to hearing what getting *everything* that the cactus has to offer. San Pedro should be a good choice this. I found San Pedro tea to be a smoother feel than P. Torch tea. __________________ Looking at a cookie is like looking at the future. Until you've tasted it what do you really know? And once you have, it's too late. ~ Merlin

11-26-08, 00:00	#10 (permalink)
cuts The Pope of Dope Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,217	Eating the cacti raw would give you the best array of alkaloids, the first time i tried cacti i just blended it and drank the juice good luck.

11-28-08, 00:47	#11 (permalink)
pubensis VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 297	Good job! LOVE is the answer...

11-28-08, 01:10	#12 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,666	Any word on how this went?

11-28-08, 03:01	#15 (permalink)
cuts The Pope of Dope Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,217	I bet he had a fun time. Eating the whole cacti and throwing away nothing he had to have. Hes a trooper.

11-28-08, 08:31	#16 (permalink)
PsyBearknot Base Krypton Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 497	Man id give props to him for eating raw. Outta Curiosity I cut a small chunk off and tossed it in my mouth for a chew and DAMN that shit was bitter. Id much rather use the pressure cooker and boil the magic into the water then cook it down to a shot glass worth. I think Id much rather go the route Shadowlord's been using to extract, just have to get some confidence levels up to play around with the other ingredients used in the extraction process. __________________ Standing alone my senses reeled A fatal attraction holding me fast, how Can I escape this irresistible grasp?

11-28-08, 08:47	#17 (permalink)
squizzlix Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 175	i went to the coalessence festival this year. the bouncing bear folks were there. people were just sitting around eating raw cacti. it was quite the site! it was a great time too.

11-28-08, 22:20	#18 (permalink)
i01231 Mycophage Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 174	thats gross ...

11-29-08, 10:22	#20 (permalink)
Shroomette Fairy Princess Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,157	Oh my goodness! Okay the cacti tea is purid tasting as it is But, a raw cactus. I definitely say more power to ya. My little stomach is too weak to even try that. it was hard enough to keep the tea down for a while. But, I would love to see the trip report on this. Bet it's an amazing long ride and very intense __________________ "Every exit is an entrance somewhere else".~Tom Stoppard

11-29-08, 12:53	#21 (permalink)
AdamBomb1985 Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 100	LoL ... I hope he made it back from is trip. If you read this forum it looks like he just dissappeared .... Hmmmm.

11-29-08, 13:23	#22 (permalink)
Shadowlord Shadowmancer. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,849	I had noticed that as well. Not a good sign. Hope it didn't turn out to be too uncomfortable experience. I was a little uneasy drinking the tea the first time. Luckily, I didn't have any discomfort, but I know I've read many a post from folks here that can't drink the tea because they feel so awful they can't enjoy the experience. Raw would be a rough ride for someone who didn't react to it well. Once again, I hope he's just still digesting ( no pun intended, well maybe ) the experience and will soon come back and tell us all about it. __________________ Looking at a cookie is like looking at the future. Until you've tasted it what do you really know? And once you have, it's too late. ~ Merlin

11-29-08, 14:02	#23 (permalink)
M&M420 connected Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,492	I was thinking of doing this but only after eating some miracle fruit.Supposedly it is suppose to make everything that's bitter taste sweet.It's the only way that I could possibly eat it raw.I can't even drink kratom tea because of the taste

11-29-08, 16:13	#24 (permalink)
Rico60 Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3	I find it best to remove the pricklies and the outer skin, then chop into tiny pieces then blend it, then boil once, strain to remove the bulk, keeping the first liquid, then reboil the bulk in a little more water then strain once more. Mix both liquids together and allow to boil for another hour or so to lower the liquid content, until about 2 cups is left. cool it and take whenever

05-31-09, 15:32	#25 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,790	I'm just surfing for mescaline here, fell over this old thread and thought I'd add my little bit. I ate about 5-700 grams of Peruvian torch in 2007, and it actually didn't taste too bad.. sort of like a bitter cucumber. I didn't feel nauseous or disgusted at all, though I can't say it tasted "good"... but I've had to suffer from much worse cooks than what Mother Nature did on this one. The torch tea I've had is a completely different story, that is really disgusting, it's like all the bad tasting stuff in one concentrate. But the 5-700 grams just wasn't enough. At all. I only felt a light buzz. So for it to work properly I would probably have had to eat 1,5kg+... and that's a lot even for a glutton like me. Or perhaps it wasn't so bad tasting because it wasn't that potent, I don't know.

05-31-09, 15:56	#26 (permalink)
EmmisonJ Pass the Vick's Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 823	eating raw cactus is like eating a massive fresh apple that's been injected with dishwashing detergent, except bitter. it's juicy, crunchy, and frothy as hell after a little while. haven't eaten a cactus in that fashion in many years, there are much better ways to go about things. but one things for sure if you can eat enough to trip, it's very rewarding trip because you feel proud of yourself for having been able to pull it off. eating cactus is no easy task. for swim it's easier to extract and purify some mescaline hcl than it is to eat raw cactus, but hey if you wanna try it then go for it. get rid of the spines, get rid of the waxy skin, wash it, then start by eating all the dark green undertissue. if you did a bad job skinning it then eat all the dark green parts from under the waxy skin (the skin tends to rip off the good parts along with it sometimes). after you're done with that then eat the lighter green parts, that way you get the strongest part in you right off the bat in case you throw in the towel then you'll get more out of it and won't be "wasting" as much because there's still considerable mesc on the light green tissue but less than the dark green.

05-31-09, 16:04	#27 (permalink)
Doctor D (Not a real doctor) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,506	I'm anxious to read your results, mo8ius, as I too want to partake of the raw cactus. I had heard others report on how harsh it was on the stomach, but after ingesting other supposedly harsh ingredients (i.e, syrian rue and ayahuasca), I'm wondering if the reports of nauseousness aren't a little overblown (or maybe I have a strong stomach). The only time I made cactus tea, I tried a few bites of cactus and honestly I didn't think it tasted that bad. I think I could chew a foot or two of bridgesii with little difficulty. Maybe it's because I eat a lot of raw vegetables that I didn't find the taste so displeasing? It reminded me of green pepper.

05-31-09, 16:15	#28 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,790	Doctor D. - Yes, green pepper is not far off. I clicked on mo8ius' profile, and unfortunately he has not logged in since October, and it's not possible to send an email.. After reading EmmisonJ's reply I have to clarify what I did, because I wasn't as smart as Emmison. I ate every single little bite except the very spine, which was almost wooden, and the spikes I also skipped of of course. Doing it the way EmmisonJ suggests - eating the most active parts first - is obviously a much better idea, and might actually work for a large chunk of cactus, unlike what I did. Why was I so stupid? ;-) Now I also feel like trying it again, the EmmisonJ way!

05-31-09, 16:24	#29 (permalink)
Doctor D (Not a real doctor) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,506	Aw, I didn't even read that yours was a bump of an old thread!

05-31-09, 20:21	#30 (permalink)
Saint Stephen Freelance Chemist Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 81	Sorry if anyone mentioned this already, but you don't want to blend it... It turns into a foam that is about 20 times nastier and more bitter, since the material gains surface area.

06-01-09, 00:41	#31 (permalink)
Phlux- Psychonaut Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 442	eaten it b4 - gf filmed it - haha nasty way to consume it - some ppl dont mind- the taste is bad and it causes nausea more than the other routes. Any consumption of cactus is worthwhile tho.

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