1st Time DMT Extraction. STB. A Blog

[thepureskunk]

Hi to everyone on mycotopia

As the title suggests, this is my first ever DMT extraction and maybe some help will be needed so I thought why not blog the process which will be a STB.

It has been over 2 months of reading that has gotten me to this point. My initial interest was sparked sometime ago when I was given some mushrooms and some Ketamine.

It had been ages since I had done any sort of tripping. In my past I have done mushrooms over 10 times and LSD in the form of tabs and micro dots over 10 times as well…sometimes at strong doses.

Well I had never done K before and while searching erowid i came across DMT. The trip reports just blew me away...
It was amazing to think that you could visit other worlds and for the trip to take no longer that 30mins or so!! Mushrooms, although I love them, always seem to last too long…this seemed a perfect thing to experiment with and it also quite a safe chemical to use and one which our own bodies make…cool

I then got The Spirit Molecule by straussman and my resolve to enter hyperspace had been cemented.

I had also been lucky at as i was given some great help by a couple of peeps from a weed forum i visit...which included a link here..
After reading a lot here, i came across this post from extrememetal43...nice:

Extract it. Be careful with your extraction make sure you know what your doing first. Your not gonna get much of a yield! But id say you can get a good 400 mg worth out of it! But if you waste 200 mg worth thru mistakes etc , some always sticks to sides of jars etc. here's what id do. get a liter pop bottle. Rinse out thouroghly with water. You can use that because its plastic, clear, and has a long skinny neck.

Mix 800 ml of distilled water with
54 grams of lye and
your 54 grams of bark in that bottle.

Shake the bottle, vent the lid the bottle will expand with the heat that will generate from adding lye and to vent some of the vapors(wont be much think smell of drain cleaner)

Now added 150 ml of VM + P naptha. Swirl the mixture trying to not shake and cause too many air bubbles. After 10 minutes of swirling and mixin the mixture allow it to settle for at least an hour. The suck off the top naptha layer into an evaporating dish or jar. Thats your first pull. repeat two more pulls. Take that 400-450 ml of solvent and evaporate to a third volume bout 100 to 150 ml and freeze precipitate it. that means seal that reduced solvent in an airtight container and put in an extremely cold freezer for a day. Pour off solvent, perhaps filter, and allow the crystals to dry. Thats it.

Many do A/B extractions and id recomend that 2 but STB eliminates some possible sources of losses and it works!

Wow this was what i needed for my stoner brain...a nice simple write up

I done some more research and then got the supplies..

The pics show what i have got together so far. I wanted to ask a couple of Q's before i started to extract..

1) Is the bottle in the pic ok to use for the lye/MHRB/water/nap mix? It has a rubber seal on, is this ok?
2) The bottle has a capacity of 750ml or .75L. How much MHRB can i mix in this size bottle...or is it too small?
3) My Caustic Soda say its 99% NaOh. Is this acceptable?
4) Is the amount of Nap quoted above a little to much and maybe 100ml per pull would suffice
5) I got my MHRB from a UK vendor and it was already ground up...does this look like ok stuff?

That's it really for now...unless someone knows how to easily get the tops off these lighter-fuel bottles??

I will take pics as i extract.. just need to get these Q's answered and i will give it a go!!

Peace and thanks for reading, TPS

edit- oh yeah i have a total of 106 grams of MHRB

[Shadowlord]

Good to see you TPS.
Best of luck on your first extraction.
I know you have been doing your homework, so I have no doubts that you'll do just fine.
That and there are plenty of experts on DMT to assist you along the way.
Some might say that the DMT Nexus is the best place to learn about DMT but I have noticed that many of the best and brightest over there are over here as well anyways.
There are so many more things to learn here as well.
Welcome to the 'Topia! I hope you like it as much as I do.

[Shadowlord]

Any chance of you digging up some VM&P Naptha?
Or is the Ronsonol listed as VM&P.
There have been several threads here lately w/ people having less than desirable results from using solvents other than VM&P.

[thepureskunk]

TBH i may be posting something similar at the Nexus. Will see what response/help i get here first.

Cant get VM&P due to being in the UK. i think a lot of UK peeps use the swan or ronsonol brands.

Thanks for the kind words mate

[Shadowlord]

Originally Posted by thepureskunk

Cant get VM&P due to being in the UK. i think a lot of UK peeps use the swan or ronsonol brands.

Ah,
Well if that's what is being used in the UK then you should be alright. Plenty of folks extracting on your side of the pond, so I'm sure we'd hear about any problems. And I'm sure some of your countrymen here will chime in and pass along any helpful tidbits you might need to know.
Once again, Best of luck. I'm sure all will go well.

I am looking forward to hearing of your experiences when you get to that point. You have been wanting to do this for a while now, so I am glad that it's coming together for you.

[witchdr11]

Looks like you are off to a good start. Be careful with the bottle top and make sure it is secure with no leaks. No fun to have ph 13.5 shit leaking out on your hands etc.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing good results for you!

[cuts]

Oh yes, safety first. Always wear rubber gloves and goggles when working with caustic lye.

[srfchsr]

I think you may want to use a larger container. I like to use the gallon jugs windshield wiper fluid comes in, but I've only done +200G extractions.

[thepureskunk]

Well exciting stuff going on!!

This morning i started my 1st ever extraction.. And its not going too bad so far!!!

I started by dividing my MHRB into half as i didn't wanna fuck up the whole batch if i made a mistake.. So i mixed 50 grams of MHRB with 50 grams of caustic soda and then added 750ml of distilled water. The whole lot was mixed and left to stand for 6 hours.

All was looking ok so far. There was a thin layer of foam but it soon went and then i added my naptha. I did 4 pulls in total using around 80ml of nap each time. The last pull was done with heated nap...nice.

I put all the pulls in my dish and then went out for a couple of hours to let the nap evap down a bit. Got back and deep joy the nap had gone really cloudy and there were crystals already around the edge of the dish!!!!

I have now put the dish in my now super cold freezer...

A couple of quick Q's..

How long should i leave the dish in the freezer?
I think i can harvest the crystals ok, but if anyone has any tips...
Its now 5pm GMT. Will i be able to smoke some tonight????

Peace and love, TPS

[witchdr11]

Your solvent will go clear again when its pretty much empty. You've gone this far, an extra hour or two after it's clear cant hurt. What's the hurry? You will enjoy it more if you know you did it 100% right.

Anyway, if you can scoop out some crystals they dont take too long to dry in front of a fan, just make sure it has no solvent smell and is fluffy and no wet appearance. It has a distinct smell once the naptha is absent, sort of like a new plastic smell.

Just be sure, as I cant imagine it can be the least bit healthy to inhale vaporized naptha fumes.

[Ras Asad]

ahhhh, thats what that smell is witchdr!!

i was trying to figure out what that smell was... very nice.

nice job tps,
may it go good for you.

i agree with witchdr.... might as well wait a little longer just to be sure.

i just got to enter dmt world recently to.... and my god man....
soo amazing.

youll love it.

pleasant journies.

[thepureskunk]

In the end i decided to leave the spice alone till this morning..you are right witchdr11, i have waited this long..

I didn't sleep too well...was excited about what was going down in my freezer

This morning I got my dish out and it looked like i was in business.. (see pic)

Those crystals looked so white! I put the dish on its end and allowed to dry with a little help from a fan. After an hour all looked dry so i started scraping... Its mad but the crystals looked so white but when collected there is a yellow tint to the powder...see pic

Still IMO it doesn't look to bad and it has that sorta weird plastic smell (i cant smell no nap)...i'm sure i've smelt that smell somewhere before but have no idea where..

I suppose a plus is it's weight..a good half a gram!! I have reused and heated the nap that i had in the dish and added it to my base again. I have now put it in the dish again and back into the freezer to see if i can get anymore..

A couple of Q's..

Does this stuff look like the real deal?
Am i good to have a try???

Peace and love, TPS

[swabeky]

It looks like you dide a very good job for your first time. and it looks like a FOAF STB spice. Congrats

[weeeeeee]

hell yeah good job dude even came to half g sweet stuff

[witchdr11]

You can easily seperate those yellow oils off.

Heat some naptha. Get a syringe or dropper. Add naptha dropwise to your yellow spice till JUST the spice dissolves. The yellow oil will colagulate into a ball of goo.

Once it seems like there is only yellow oil that remains undissolved, carefully pour off the naptha containing the spice, leaving behind the yellow oil in the bottom.

Refreeze this naptha and you will have really nice white spice. You can save and ry the yeloow oils on the side. These oils can make for a more intense trip and can be added to taste (or not).

I did a sorta half ass walkthrough of this here:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanica...d-problem.html (marsofold problem)

[thepureskunk]

Originally Posted by weeeeeee

hell yeah good job dude even came to half g sweet stuff

Thanks everyone for the kind words

I was surprised by the yield... still got another 56G's to extract! I also have my very last pull in the freezer and that's got some more in

I was thinking of maybe trying an Aya experiance.. I know i could get some rue and do it that way with the MHRB..but could i use Cappi instead? And if so any suggesstions on a dose?

Thanks witchdr11 for the advice. I'm gonna look into it..How hot does the Nap have to be? Also from lots of reading it seems a lot of peeps prefer the yellow stuff? Will now read that thread..

Cheers also swabeky!

Will be trying some sub-breakthrough doses first to get a feel of it...will report back.

[Ras Asad]

ahhh beauty man!!! great job!!

also inspiring for those who have never done it for fear of difficulty,

very nice bro.

see you on the other side m'frien.

[witchdr11]

Witchdoctor's Wazzlehuasca:

Tool's: Tea Ball, Large Pot, funnel, coffee filters, a few collection jars/mason jars.

Ingredients: 3.8-5g Whole Syrian Rue seeds per adventurer

Extracted Spice.

Water. Vinegar or citrus and other acids are optional and not recommended by my Witchdoctor for this recipe.

A small piece of pita bread or gelcaps/method of getting the spice past your mouth without having to taste it/make contact with your sensitive tissue. Spice is mildly caustic and tastes bad.

Procedure:
Weigh out your Syrian Rue and put it in a teaball. These are available at that big W store in the kitchen equipment section. Throw your seeds in there and close it up.

You can grind them up for more potency but this is completely unnecessary and the recipe compensates for not grinding. This makes the filtering process much easier and a much more palatable tea.

As far as vinegar or other acids, this recipe also does not use it for a few reasons. First, Rue is cheap, You can easily compensate for not using an acid by upping the amount of seeds used per dose slightly. Second, this water only recipe makes the brew much easier to get down and keep down.

Bring enough water to cover your seeds to a boil, reduce to a medium simmer. Toss in your tea ball and go smoke a spliff or two. Let this cook for about 15 minutes, pour it off and repeat another wash exactly the same way.

Once you have this tea all collected, strain it through a coffee filter a few times with a funnel to hold the coffee filter above the collection jar.

Reduce this filtered tea down to a half cup of tea for each person if the volume comes out too big.

Sweeten/flavor to taste.

That's it for the brew. Drink it down at your best pace..slow works for my guy..

Wait around 20-25 minutes till you start feeling a little different from the MAOI. During this time you can prepare your spice capsule. Take your freebase or fumarate/salts and either gelcap them or put in a small bread pill and take it after the MAOI kicks in.

In about 20 minutes you are on your way.

Dosage recommendation for spice:
Half your favorite smoked dose...Easy ride.
Normal smoked dose...Psychedelic yet manageable.
1.5x smoked dose...strong dose. Here is where shit starts getting kind of crazy
2x+...Say hello to my friends, the alien mantids for me.

[Decapod]

The above extraction method is one I am going to try. It seems simple and seems to yield results. I am very new to this, but I have been researching DMT for about 3 monthsa and have recently aquired 100g of MHRB. I just have a couple questions, 1. How can I safely heat naptha? Can I put it in a mason jar and then into a warm water bath? And does the dish have to be covered while in the freezer? 2. After the dish comes out of the freezer will there still be naptha present? And if so I just let it air dry until I see crystals? Sorry for all the ques. guys. this is my very first post and hope Im not to much trouble.

Thank you in advance.

[dimension traveler]

sorry I didnt read all the post's up above, I dont have alot of time right now at the moment. being as long as it is tho i'm sure they worked it lol. judging by the pics of the material used you can do better (without expensive lab)

Yes you can warm naptha by a mason jar in a heat bath. And yes you do have to cover when going in to the freezer.

well what I do is after my three pulls I reduce to half the volume and I put that into a mason (the naptha) and put the mason jar in the freezer for like 36 hours. when I take it out of the freezer I have another mason jar ready and I poor the naptha from one to the other filtering with coffee filters.

No naptha goes away in the freezer, your precipitating, meaning by getting it super cold (naptha wont freeze) it's causing the crystals to crash out. so when you filter they get caught in the coffee.... and some is left in the jar that you can scoop out with a spoon.

finally spread out onto plate and it will dry in no time. 3 2 1

[dimension traveler]

Sorry Decapod I forgot to say welcome to mycotopia. Hope you like it here, theres plenty to learn in the forums.

[whatchamacallit]

Originally Posted by Decapod

2. After the dish comes out of the freezer will there still be naptha present? And if so I just let it air dry until I see crystals?

I think DT answered all your questions but was unclear a bit about this part.

The naphtha will still be present after it's put into the freezer, however, as it cools, it will not hold the DMT, and the crystals crash out of the solution. After 24-72 hours, it should have all dropped out, and one can take it directly from the freezer, and decant the naphtha, slowly, off the crystals, being sure not to pour any DMT out with the solvent.

The tiny bit of solvent left on the crystals can be evaporated by placing the dish in front of a fan that blows directly on it. When totally dry, scrape the crystals up, chop them up fine, and leave it in front of a fan for a bit longer, to be sure to have all the solvent gone. This can then be smoked or recrystallized.

[Calaquendi]

Thanks Whatchamacallit...took the words right outa me mouth, bro!

Good job tps, looking forward to an entry in 'storming the gates'...wazzle...

[kcmoxtractor]

Just be sure not to use heat to evaporate your naphtha, the heat can make it oxidize into a yellow oil. A fan making the surface ripple will have it evaporated in a couple of hours and shouldn't cause any oxidation.

I like to put my solvent on top of my fb solution, shake, then put it in a hot water bath to separate. After about an hour your solvent should have separated back out and you can decant/siphon. This process also warms your naphtha, increasing the solubility of DMT in the solvent. Be sure to let the pressure out after you shake, it typically produces a little bit of gas when shaken.

[dimension traveler]

thanks watchamacalit I must have been in a hurry or something and got my words mixed up lol. but basically i pour everything out and catch the spice in filters, instead of decanting.. (most of it gets stuck to the bottom and sides anyways lol) good luck decapod let us know how it goes.

[riseabovethought]

Originally Posted by dimension traveler

thanks watchamacalit I must have been in a hurry or something and got my words mixed up lol. but basically i pour everything out and catch the spice in filters, instead of decanting.. (most of it gets stuck to the bottom and sides anyways lol) good luck decapod let us know how it goes.

My only question is what is done with the lye-liquid in the bottle after syphoning off the naptha layer? Is the lye-liquid just discarded?

[dimension traveler]

Originally Posted by riseabovethought

My only question is what is done with the lye-liquid in the bottle after syphoning off the naptha layer? Is the lye-liquid just discarded?

Up above we werent speaking of the basified h20 that your reffering to.
but yes after you have done your 3/4 pulls of naptha, your basified slurry will be exausted (no more alks/spice), so another words it's useless and needs to be discarded.

If you must dump it down the drain make sure you do it very slowly with lot's and lot's of water.

[Decapod]

Originally Posted by dimension traveler

sorry I didnt read all the post's up above, I dont have alot of time right now at the moment. being as long as it is tho i'm sure they worked it lol. judging by the pics of the material used you can do better (without expensive lab)

Yes you can warm naptha by a mason jar in a heat bath. And yes you do have to cover when going in to the freezer.

well what I do is after my three pulls I reduce to half the volume and I put that into a mason (the naptha) and put the mason jar in the freezer for like 36 hours. when I take it out of the freezer I have another mason jar ready and I poor the naptha from one to the other filtering with coffee filters.

No naptha goes away in the freezer, your precipitating, meaning by getting it super cold (naptha wont freeze) it's causing the crystals to crash out. so when you filter they get caught in the coffee.... and some is left in the jar that you can scoop out with a spoon.

finally spread out onto plate and it will dry in no time. 3 2 1

Awesome! Thank you Dimension.

So just let me double check on how to do this...

1. grind MHRB
2. boil water and add root bark stirring for 1 hour?
3. pour mixture into mason jar and add lye, shake for 5 min. let sit for 1 hour? Or longer?
4. add warm naptha and tilt back and forth, let sit for an hour? With the cap on or off??
5. extract top layer of naptha (can I add more naptha to the slurry in the jar I just extracted from or will the initial naptha soak up all the DMT or will there still be DMT present after the first pull?)
6. put first extracted layer into seperate mason jar, then put into freezer covered.
7. remove jar or glass sheet pan and pour off the naptha???
8. let remaining naptha evaporate and scrape crystals.

can I get results with that method or have I missed crucial steps? I feel as though I can do it, I just get confused by every Tek once it gets into the process. Anywhoo, if the steps I posted will work please let me know.

And the PH levels, when adding the lye should my PH be 3? or 4? Or what? and then am I supposed to check the PH again until its 13 or something??

[Decapod]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

I think DT answered all your questions but was unclear a bit about this part.

The naphtha will still be present after it's put into the freezer, however, as it cools, it will not hold the DMT, and the crystals crash out of the solution. After 24-72 hours, it should have all dropped out, and one can take it directly from the freezer, and decant the naphtha, slowly, off the crystals, being sure not to pour any DMT out with the solvent.

The tiny bit of solvent left on the crystals can be evaporated by placing the dish in front of a fan that blows directly on it. When totally dry, scrape the crystals up, chop them up fine, and leave it in front of a fan for a bit longer, to be sure to have all the solvent gone. This can then be smoked or recrystallized.

Recrystallized? Is this the task of dissolving the crystals in warm naptha and then re-freezing? Or am I way off base?

[thepureskunk]

Hey all

Nice to read this thread again....Its been a while since i first posted this...

Since this thread i have done 4 or so more extractions and with my new MHRB supplier i almost always get a 2% yield...so 50 G's of mhrb= 1 gram of spice

STB is just sooooooo easy and well worth it. I still haven't done Aya/pharma so thats my next project. Will drink some cappi and then dose with freebased spice...starting low and working up. Its Winter soon so i will have some time on my hands to space travel.

Peace and thanks for the kind words!

[whatchamacallit]

Originally Posted by Decapod

Recrystallized? Is this the task of dissolving the crystals in warm naptha and then re-freezing? Or am I way off base?

Yes, pretty much. There is a bit more to it, though, and there are various threads with detailed explanations, if one needs more info.

[dimension traveler]

Originally Posted by Decapod

Awesome! Thank you Dimension.

So just let me double check on how to do this...

1. grind MHRB
2. boil water and add root bark stirring for 1 hour?
3. pour mixture into mason jar and add lye, shake for 5 min. let sit for 1 hour? Or longer?
4. add warm naptha and tilt back and forth, let sit for an hour? With the cap on or off??
5. extract top layer of naptha (can I add more naptha to the slurry in the jar I just extracted from or will the initial naptha soak up all the DMT or will there still be DMT present after the first pull?)
6. put first extracted layer into seperate mason jar, then put into freezer covered.
7. remove jar or glass sheet pan and pour off the naptha???
8. let remaining naptha evaporate and scrape crystals.

can I get results with that method or have I missed crucial steps? I feel as though I can do it, I just get confused by every Tek once it gets into the process. Anywhoo, if the steps I posted will work please let me know.

And the PH levels, when adding the lye should my PH be 3? or 4? Or what? and then am I supposed to check the PH again until its 13 or something??

um sorry i'm alittle confused as if your trying to do an a/b extraction or stb.

let me know and then I can answere your q's, there is a few errors in this list. but no worries we'll get you through it that's what were here for.

[Decapod]

Originally Posted by dimension traveler

um sorry i'm alittle confused as if your trying to do an a/b extraction or stb.

let me know and then I can answere your q's, there is a few errors in this list. but no worries we'll get you through it that's what were here for.

Just an STB extraction Dimension. SWIM is really really sorry about all the questions guys, SWIM has been doing their homework for 3-4 months. SWIM just doesn't want to blow his house up hahaha.

[Decapod]

Originally Posted by dimension traveler

um sorry i'm alittle confused as if your trying to do an a/b extraction or stb.

let me know and then I can answere your q's, there is a few errors in this list. but no worries we'll get you through it that's what were here for.

The easiest possible directions would work great Dimension lol I'm a little burnt.

[dimension traveler]

ok lets start with a stb method first then, I will post it simple then you can let me know if theres something you need answered in more detail.

these measurements are assuming you have 100grams mhrb like mentioned before. (half gallon mason jar would be good size to use, although a gradulating flask would make seraptions alot easier)

1. fill half gallon mason jar little over half way with water, say 1300ml.
2. add powdered mimosa.
3. very slowly add 100 grams of lye (do in increments so it doesnt get hot and shatter the glass)
4. let sit for 24 hours in my opinion so it has a chance to fully break down the bark (shake periodically)
5. use say a pint mason jar and warm up 100-150ml of naptha to somewhere around 90-100 defrees ferenheight. do this by a heat bath (use a pot and heat up water then put jar in there not letting it touch the bottom)
6. poor heated naptha into half gallon jar with bark and close the lid and turn upside down a few times and give it a roll. (want to mix thoroughly but not shake it) also maybe open a few times to vent, let out pressure.
7. now wait for it to seperate completely so theres a fine line, if it doesnt by itself then give it a heat bath until it does.
8. seperate the top layer naptha, can use turkey baster or the best thing is a long pippette. and put into a new jar smallest you have like a half pint/pint. (make sure you dont suck up any of the bottom layer at all, if anything leave a little naptha.)
9. reapeat steps 5-8 two more times so you have a total of three naptha seperation you have collected into a jar.
10. now you can put this into the freezer, make sure it's on it's coldest setting and leave it in there for at least 24 hours. this will make the spice precipitate (crash out of the solution).
11. have another jar ready as well as coffee filters. remove jar from freezer open lid and poor the naptha solution through the coffee filter and into another jar, the filters will catch the spice that crashed out and the solution that goes into the jar shouldn't have any spice anymore. (most will stick to the jar anyways and you will need to scrape with a spoon.

Thats it this will yield probally close to 2 grams of yellow spice.
if you want to wash it which is easly let me know.
Good luck.

[Decapod]

Originally Posted by dimension traveler

ok lets start with a stb method first then, I will post it simple then you can let me know if theres something you need answered in more detail.

these measurements are assuming you have 100grams mhrb like mentioned before. (half gallon mason jar would be good size to use, although a gradulating flask would make seraptions alot easier)

1. fill half gallon mason jar little over half way with water, say 1300ml.
2. add powdered mimosa.
3. very slowly add 100 grams of lye (do in increments so it doesnt get hot and shatter the glass)
4. let sit for 24 hours in my opinion so it has a chance to fully break down the bark (shake periodically)
5. use say a pint mason jar and warm up 100-150ml of naptha to somewhere around 90-100 defrees ferenheight. do this by a heat bath (use a pot and heat up water then put jar in there not letting it touch the bottom)
6. poor heated naptha into half gallon jar with bark and close the lid and turn upside down a few times and give it a roll. (want to mix thoroughly but not shake it) also maybe open a few times to vent, let out pressure.
7. now wait for it to seperate completely so theres a fine line, if it doesnt by itself then give it a heat bath until it does.
8. seperate the top layer naptha, can use turkey baster or the best thing is a long pippette. and put into a new jar smallest you have like a half pint/pint. (make sure you dont suck up any of the bottom layer at all, if anything leave a little naptha.)
9. reapeat steps 5-8 two more times so you have a total of three naptha seperation you have collected into a jar.
10. now you can put this into the freezer, make sure it's on it's coldest setting and leave it in there for at least 24 hours. this will make the spice precipitate (crash out of the solution).
11. have another jar ready as well as coffee filters. remove jar from freezer open lid and poor the naptha solution through the coffee filter and into another jar, the filters will catch the spice that crashed out and the solution that goes into the jar shouldn't have any spice anymore. (most will stick to the jar anyways and you will need to scrape with a spoon.

Thats it this will yield probally close to 2 grams of yellow spice.
if you want to wash it which is easly let me know.
Good luck.

Dude, you're amazing! Easy to follow and precise. I have a fair idea about how to wash. Warm naptha, dissolve crystals and freeze precip? Is that aboutn right or are there a couple more steps?

[Decapod]

"let sit for 24 hours in my opinion so it has a chance to fully break down the bark (shake periodically)"

Do I leave the jar covered or uncovered during this process?

[Calaquendi]

doesn't really matter but you probably want to cover it so's your place don't stink of solvent..plus you don't want any little floaties getting in to your stuff...like, I've smoked some dog hair in my spice because of shit like that.

[dimension traveler]

Originally Posted by Decapod

Dude, you're amazing! Easy to follow and precise. I have a fair idea about how to wash. Warm naptha, dissolve crystals and freeze precip? Is that aboutn right or are there a couple more steps?

well theres a couple more steps and if you can get heptane, it does the job alot better.

the idea behind washing is that the spice and impurites are dissolving at different temps, so your seperating at the temp zone.

altho I do have to say I dont reccomend doing it on this small of an amount. but this is what you do.

if using naptha you would use 100ml per gram of spice.
if using heptane you would usee 30ml per gram of spice.

if using naptha:
1.place naptha and spice into jar.
2.place into heat bath.
3. as it gets hotter watch for impurities(orange) to start falling to bottom.
4.once the orange has fallen down poor remaining liquid into jar and place in freezer.

this works good but it is hard to tell when you have just desolved all the impurities and not the spice.

that's why I like the fallowing method better.

If using heptane this is what I would do. (my favorite method)
1. get jar place the amount of heptane in and then the spice.
2. get heat bath going and heat the jar up until everything dissolves
3. now quickly take out of bath and wrap jar with seran wrap to insulate
4. place wrapped jar in a mini cooler at a 45 degree angle for like 12 h..
5. put jar in fridge for 12 hours(making sure it remains at 45 degree angle)
6. put jar in freezer for 12 plus hours still remaining at 45 degree angle.
7. now poor heptane through coffee filter into another jar.

allowing it to cool down this slow will have made sure the impurities fell out first and gathered into the bottom corner of the jar. they are really sticky so it is easy to scrape the better washed stuff away without scraping the impurities. I'm sure you could do this method with naptha as well but I have not tried.

[Decapod]

Originally Posted by dimension traveler

well theres a couple more steps and if you can get heptane, it does the job alot better.

the idea behind washing is that the spice and impurites are dissolving at different temps, so your seperating at the temp zone.

altho I do have to say I dont reccomend doing it on this small of an amount. but this is what you do.

if using naptha you would use 100ml per gram of spice.
if using heptane you would usee 30ml per gram of spice.

if using naptha:
1.place naptha and spice into jar.
2.place into heat bath.
3. as it gets hotter watch for impurities(orange) to start falling to bottom.
4.once the orange has fallen down poor remaining liquid into jar and place in freezer.

this works good but it is hard to tell when you have just desolved all the impurities and not the spice.

that's why I like the fallowing method better.

If using heptane this is what I would do. (my favorite method)
1. get jar place the amount of heptane in and then the spice.
2. get heat bath going and heat the jar up until everything dissolves
3. now quickly take out of bath and wrap jar with seran wrap to insulate
4. place wrapped jar in a mini cooler at a 45 degree angle for like 12 h..
5. put jar in fridge for 12 hours(making sure it remains at 45 degree angle)
6. put jar in freezer for 12 plus hours still remaining at 45 degree angle.
7. now poor heptane through coffee filter into another jar.

allowing it to cool down this slow will have made sure the impurities fell out first and gathered into the bottom corner of the jar. they are really sticky so it is easy to scrape the better washed stuff away without scraping the impurities. I'm sure you could do this method with naptha as well but I have not tried.

Thank you so much D. If the spice is slighty yellow, orange, etc... it's def. good to smoke though right? I've read on here and the Nexus that it's perfectly fine and it just depends on the smoker. Either way, I am VERY excited to try this, I consider myself an experienced psychonaut (eaten over 300 tabs of cid, shrooms many times, Salvia, Herb of course, Mesc. a couple times, etc...) but from what i've read, spice blows all of them away.

[dimension traveler]

yes decapod it is deffenantly good to smoke. It's so potent(takes such little) even half pure stuff is.

Altho you will learn that the tecknique of smokeing it comes into play and makes a big factor as well. theres a big difference when breaking through (need fat lung fulls) theres where the whiter more pure stuff comes into play (easier to get better rip).

Hope all goes good

[Decapod]

Originally Posted by dimension traveler

yes decapod it is deffenantly good to smoke. It's so potent(takes such little) even half pure stuff is.

Altho you will learn that the tecknique of smokeing it comes into play and makes a big factor as well. theres a big difference when breaking through (need fat lung fulls) theres where the whiter more pure stuff comes into play (easier to get better rip).

Hope all goes good

How much would you recommend using for a first time? Hypothetically speaking. Would say, a bump be sufficient?

[dimension traveler]

they say 50-60mg is a full breakthrough but, thats if it is pure, yellow is not. so if you want a full breakthrough dose probally need 80-90mg

I would say just try to take 3 fat rips and hold it in, trying not to space them to far apart.

It makes a big difference if the rips are fat and go in fast compared to slowly vaporizing it and enhaling slowly. fat and fast as like in a bong or so would be the best.

make sure you don't put a direct flame to it tho as that will burn the spice, (breaks down at 140 F.) put inbetween erb or something good luck hope all goes well.

[Decapod]

Originally Posted by dimension traveler

they say 50-60mg is a full breakthrough but, thats if it is pure, yellow is not. so if you want a full breakthrough dose probally need 80-90mg

I would say just try to take 3 fat rips and hold it in, trying not to space them to far apart.

It makes a big difference if the rips are fat and go in fast compared to slowly vaporizing it and enhaling slowly. fat and fast as like in a bong or so would be the best.

make sure you don't put a direct flame to it tho as that will burn the spice, (breaks down at 140 F.) put inbetween erb or something good luck hope all goes well.

If I put it between, say, tobacco... You said not to let the flame hit it directly, so, should I just hold the lighter above the pipe/bong or below? or? Stupid questions, I know hahaha thank you for all your help Dimension.

[thepureskunk]

Some really great info for you there Decapod

I do however find it hard to believe that you have read for 3-4 months and still cant get a grasp on this most simple of extractions.

Maybe you should start your own thread?

Peace

[Decapod]

Originally Posted by thepureskunk

Some really great info for you there Decapod

I do however find it hard to believe that you have read for 3-4 months and still cant get a grasp on this most simple of extractions.

Maybe you should start your own thread?

Peace

Im just really bad at READING directions and grasping them, takes a little longer for me. Im more of a visual/audio learner. But I def. have the STB method that Cal supplied me with down pat. A FOAF will def. be trying this soon.

[dimension traveler]

Originally Posted by Decapod

If I put it between, say, tobacco... You said not to let the flame hit it directly, so, should I just hold the lighter above the pipe/bong or below? or? Stupid questions, I know hahaha thank you for all your help Dimension.

if you put it inbetween the tobacco you shoulld be able to light the top layer of tobacco and the heat from that while sucking should light the spice nice.

Although theres alot better things to use than tobacco imo, some like ment leaves and various herbs. the best imo is the mulein it's very soothing on the throught. extrememetel has a thread if you want to look it up

[dimension traveler]

Originally Posted by thepureskunk

Some really great info for you there Decapod

I do however find it hard to believe that you have read for 3-4 months and still cant get a grasp on this most simple of extractions.

Maybe you should start your own thread?

Peace

yes indeed decapod if you start a thread while your in the process it would be easy for us to walk you through it as you go

[Decapod]

Hey guys, a FOAF is going to be making his first batch of "spiced pretzels" soon. Was wondering if food grade lye is the way to go? And, if bouncing bear bot. is a reliable source. Thanks gents.

[Decapod]

He will be using this method:

these measurements are assuming you have 100grams MHRB like mentioned before. (half gallon mason jar would be good size to use, although a gradulating flask would make seraptions alot easier)

1. fill half gallon mason jar little over half way with water, say 1300ml.
2. add powdered mimosa.
3. very slowly add 100 grams of lye (do in increments so it doesnt get hot and shatter the glass)
4. let sit for 24 hours in my opinion so it has a chance to fully break down the bark (shake periodically)
5. use say a pint mason jar and warm up 100-150ml of Naptha to somewhere around 90-100 defrees ferenheight. do this by a heat bath (use a pot and heat up water then put jar in there not letting it touch the bottom)
6. poor heated Naptha into half gallon jar with bark and close the lid and turn upside down a few times and give it a roll. (want to mix thoroughly but not shake it) also maybe open a few times to vent, let out pressure.
7. now wait for it to seperate completely so theres a fine line, if it doesnt by itself then give it a heat bath until it does.
8. seperate the top layer Naptha , can use turkey baster or the best thing is a long pippette. and put into a new jar smallest you have like a half pint/pint. (make sure you dont suck up any of the bottom layer at all, if anything leave a little naptha.)
9. reapeat steps 5-8 two more times so you have a total of three Naptha seperation you have collected into a jar.
10. now you can put this into the freezer, make sure it's on it's coldest setting and leave it in there for at least 24 hours. this will make the Spice precipitate (crash out of the solution).
11. have another jar ready as well as coffee filters. remove jar from freezer open lid and poor the Naptha solution through the coffee filter and into another jar, the filters will catch the Spice that crashed out and the solution that goes into the jar shouldn't have any Spice anymore. (most will stick to the jar anyways and you will need to scrape with a spoon.

Thanks to Dimension Traveler