poppy question

[burrittomann]

hello there fellow mycotopians
i am relatively new here, as this will be my first post
ive been doing alot of reading up on mescaline, dmt, and well basically every thing. and i have to say i absolutely love this site, and everybody here.
ok anyway

ive been reading up on poppy tar extract. teks. (from dried seed pods)
and from what ive been able to find so far, is that the final product is not really smokable.
and if it was smoked, theres a limit to how strong the effects get. (idk why)
i assume one of the reasons is that the alkaloids are in their salt forms(as opposed to freebase)

soo i was wondering if it would be possible to do your extraction, obtain your tar, then add to basified water to convert the alkaloids to their freebase form, then do xylene/toulene pulls, then evap.

in theory this should give you a very clean, smokable end product.
would this be possible?
if not where did i go wrong?

[burrittomann]

i apologize if i am posting in the wrong place
if i am point me in the right direction

[Irishlion]

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Well, thats a pretty good question mang. As, i don't know I am going to pull up a seat with you on this one. Welcome to topia friend and yes you posted in the right place. I have a really good tek for making poor mans ladiduem (spl) if you would like to read it.

[burrittomann]

yes sir i would

[burrittomann]

btw i apologize if it takes me a while to reply at times.
my internet provider is doing some maintenance on their cables, or whatever it is they do maintenance on.

[kompton]

yes you can smoke dried tar (resin from scraped seed pod)

ive gotten it in a ball form before


LOL, extraction??

ever heard or morphine? the main constituant of opium, along with codene, oxycodone and hydrocodone

i really dont think a STB tek would result in morphine, but hell IDK, it is a alkoloid

try it and let me know, and thanks for posting this thread you reminded me to buy poppy seeds

[burrittomann]

im not taking about the tar/latex that comes from the fresh pod. thats considered opium if im not mistaken
im refering to the tar you would get from dried poppy pods, by doing a water/iso extaction, and from what i understand it cannot be smoked like the latex can. (idk why)
even though it is essentially the same thing.
mabe the latex is just has a much higher alkaloid content.

oxycodone, and hydrocodone is not actually in opium, it is derived from thebane, wich is in opium

[kompton]

Originally Posted by burrittomann

im not taking about the tar/latex that comes from the fresh pod. thats considered opium if im not mistaken
im refering to the tar you would get from dried poppy pods, by doing a water/iso extaction, and from what i understand it cannot be smoked like the latex can. (idk why)
even though it is essentially the same thing.
mabe the latex is just has a much higher alkaloid content.

oxycodone, and hydrocodone is not actually in opium, it is derived from thebane, wich is in opium

good times, so your saying you want to buy dried seed pods and try an extract on them?

but is it only the latex that has alkaloids? or the pod as well? i know the seeds dont..

[burrittomann]

the dried pods do contain alkaloids, such as morphine, codeine, thebaine etc.
gram per gram ratio, i believe that the latex has a higher alkaloid content.

you can also make a tea from the pods, because the alkaloids are soluble in water.
which means that they have to be in their salt forms.
which explains why it cant be smoked.

in theory the freebase form should be smokable.
im not sure if it is or not.

but if it is, this would be a way to extract everything from the pod, and have an ultra pure freebase end product.
even i you didnt want to smoke it, you could convert it to HCL, acetate, or whatever

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by kompton

i know the seeds dont..

Actually, you are incorrect man as the seeds are coated in latex and you can make a tea with enough of them. I have used seeds more than once in my tea.

[kompton]

so its the coating on the seeds, not the seeds themselves?

[Caljet666]

I'm not real sure how basifying and pulling with a NP would go. It might work, but morphine is a strange alkaloid. For instance if you based with CaOH the instead of getting morphine freebase you'd get calcium morphenate (sp?) which is water soluble. This is exploited to seperate morphine from the other alkaloids. As far as other bases go, I have no idea.

I'll look into it when I get a chance because I'd be interested in hearing how freebase opium smokes.

[Shroomette]

Kompton you are correct as well as irishlion the seeds are coated with latex but, they do not contain alkoids or a very very minscue (spl) amount.

Welcome to Topia Burrittoman.

[kompton]

Originally Posted by Shroomette

Kompton you are correct as well as irishlion the seeds are coated with latex but, they do not contain alkoids or a very very minscue (spl) amount.

im kinda in the dark on this, but is it true a poppy seed bagel(muffin) can make you piss dirty for opiates?

or is that just an urban legand?

[greenie]

its true

[burrittomann]

caljet666 thank you for your input. much appreciated
i believe what you say is true.

i think this method of extracting alkaloids, then leaving them in their freebase form isn't a very good idea. as morphine is not the most stable molecule, and it tends to degrade pretty quickly.

mabe it would be best to refine the tar from iso or water extractions

for those who are interested this is a pretty old method of extracting just morphine from poppy tar

An early method for the extraction of morphine involved addition of calcium chloride to the filtrate of opium 'soup'. The calcium would precipitate the calcium salt of these vegetable acids as a sort of soap scum leaving a crude morphine hydrochloride

[Lucy In the Sky]

Originally Posted by kompton

im kinda in the dark on this, but is it true a poppy seed bagel(muffin) can make you piss dirty for opiates?

or is that just an urban legand?

well myth busters proved it actually, if you eat like two poppy seed bagels or something you test positive for a couple days. then again... I recall that they called the manufacturer and doctors who had studied the drug testing kits they were using and they had something like a 50% false positive rate anyways, or they detected really small amounts, so it's ambiguous.

[real_psily]

Welcome Burrittoman,
It is possible to yield smokable out of raw straw xtract, but is it worth the trouble? Tazmania processes "dry poppy plant material" for morphine, codeine, and thebaine. They supply around half of all Pharm grade opiate market.
http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/poppy/the_industry
I didn't see the Myth busters do the poppy seed test, but I did catch The Food detectives doing it. If I can remember correctly, the only person to test + out of at least three was a girl that ate a poppy seed infused poppy seed covered cheese cake.
httphttp://www.foodnetwork.com/food-.../index.html://
Sooo... eat yer cheese cake with some tea and enjoy the simplicity of it all.

[Oblivion]

Originally Posted by real_psily

Welcome Burrittoman,
but is it worth the trouble?

That depends on what kind of trouble you're in!

[burrittomann]

the method i originally spoke of, wouldnt work, but there is another method, if anybody wants to know, just pm me
in my humble opinion its not worth the effort.