total newbie needs help with 1st time MHRB extraction

[~Hippie3]

teach me
from step 1.
i know nothing of chemistry
have no equipment
all i have is a
kilo of shredded MHRB from
oaxaca gardens .

[kompton]

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mimosa/...emistry1.shtml

that is erowids DMT for the masses, the TEK i use.

if you still have questions let me know

[~Hippie3]

i think there may be newer, better teks right here...

[kompton]

http://forums.mycotopia.net/dmt-spic...xtraction.html


yep, the one i posted is just a STB tek and the easiest way i know of to do a first time extract.

there are better ways

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/...n_guide1.shtml

that one is more complicated as it has a acid defat prior to extracting salts

[Norman]

If you really want to learn about DMT extraction, I'd suggest doing 50g at a time starting with the "For the Masses" and the Marsofold teks. Then branch out based on what you've learned there.
The only thing I'd initially change with the two is skip the ammonia wash (it works but can be problematic), and after the naptha pulls, do a couple with xylene or toluene to get the red spice.
Just stay away from QT and Yoda - they're both wrong.

[kompton]

thats good to know, i have never tried QT's

[~Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Norman

If you really want to learn about DMT extraction, I'd suggest doing 50g at a time starting with the "For the Masses" and the Marsofold teks. Then branch out based on what you've learned there.
The only thing I'd initially change with the two is skip the ammonia wash (it works but can be problematic), and after the naptha pulls, do a couple with xylene or toluene to get the red spice.
Just stay away from QT and Yoda - they're both wrong.

yes,
let's assume i want the marsofold tek-
what supplies will i need
chems and lab equipment ?

[roc]

Damn... I have yet to venture down this path as well!

Pulling up a chair on this one.

My first question is what should I order from BB or KT to get started?

[Norman]

Here it is, courtesy of Drugs Forum:

How to easily make DMT:
=======================
Break 1-Pound of Mimosa Hostilis rootbark into 1" pieces using new heavy-duty
wirecutters, then grind it all up in a glass-topped blender, a little at a time.
------------------------------------
Polar Extraction: Premix in an empty 1-Gallon plastic jug: 1-Quart White Vinegar
& 3-Quarts Water. Put the ground up Mimosa in a 3-Liter crockpot, then fill it
with the water-vinegar solution. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours,
remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off
most of the liquid into a 1-gallon wide-mouthed glass or stainless container.Add
the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again. Stir well and turn
it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on
slightly offset, and pour off all of the liquid into the same container again.
Discard the rootbark fiber and save the two combined extractions in the 1-gallon
container. Allow the vegetable particles in the extraction in the 1-gallon
container to settle to the bottom overnight. Then pour off the liquid into an
empty 1-Gallon glass wine jug, being careful not to pour off any of the vegetable
sludge at the bottom. Discard the sludge and keep the contents of the wine jug.
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Basification: Premix a solution of: 5 heaping Tablespoons (70grams) of Lye
(Lowes Hardware, item# 146450 "Roebic Crystal Drain Opener") SLOWLY added to
1-Pint of warm water. Stir well. Slowly add this solution to the wine jug,then
cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug back and forth for 1 full minute to mix.
------------------------------------
Nonpolar Extraction: Add 275ml of (Ace Hardware) VM&P Naptha to the wine jug.
Add exactly enough warm water to the jug to raise the liquid level to an inch
below the top. Cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug slowly back and forth for
5 full minutes to mix the contents. Allow the jug to sit undisturbed on a table
for at least 3 hours. There should now be two layers visible in the jug, a lower
dark one and a smaller clear one on top filling the neck of the jug. Use a glass
turkey baster to suck up the top clear layer into a large glass baking pan. Be
very careful NOT to suck up any of the lower brown foam/black liquid layer.
-------------------------------------
Freeze-precipitation: Cover the glass baking pan with plastic wrap and place it
in a FREEZER for 3 days to precipitate the DMT crystals. Remove the pan from the
freezer and quickly lift the plastic wrap from a corner of the pan. Tilt the pan
and slowly pour off all of the naptha through the exposed corner, being careful
not to dislodge the crystals stuck to the bottom of the pan. Re-seal the corner
of the pan by stretching the plastic wrap back over it. Allow several hours for
the pan to reach room temperature, then remove all of the plastic wrap. Allow
the crystals in the pan to completely dry out overnight in a cool place. Then
use a pair of single-edged razor blades to scrape up the impure DMT crystals.
-------------------------------------
Ammonia Wash: Prepare a filter setup by placing a funnel into a quart jar and
putting a small coffee filter paper into the funnel. Place the impure DMT crystals
into the filter paper. Chill a bottle of NON-SOAPY clear Ammonium Hydroxide
(Ace Hardware Janitorial Strength Ammonia) in a refrigerator. Slowly pour 35ml
of the cold ammonia over the crystals (still in the filter paper) to wash them.
Remove the filter paper from the funnel, spread it out flat and allow the crystals
to COMPLETELY dry out. You will now have 2-1/2 grams of white crystal DMT.
Mix it with some dried parsley and smoke a little in your favorite pipe!
[Updated April 3rd, 2006 to better serve you!] Edited by: marsofold


My friend uses a sep funnel rather than the wine bottle / turkey baster option and as mentioned omits the ammonia wash in favor of recrystalization and pulls with toluene after the naptha, but this is where you want to start for an A/B.
One can start playing around with different acids and solvents after one has this down.
I'd recommend comparing this procedure to an STB also.

[Nunyabiz]

Theres a thread on here I used labeled clean & easy STB.. Im searching for the actual thread but its like looking for a needle in a haystack.. Anyways if ya find it it works very well.!

[mydarling]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiz

Theres a thread on here I used labeled clean & easy STB.. Im searching for the actual thread but its like looking for a needle in a haystack.. Anyways if ya find it it works very well.!

you speak of this?
http://forums.mycotopia.net/dmt-spic...-easy-stb.html (Clean & Easy STB)

/me proudly promotes her bf's foaf's tek

[Nunyabiz]

Ah yes!!! That the one there.. I got about 3.5 grams yellow spice from a pound using that tek.. Very easy! Had it complete in one day..

[witchdr11]

No need for much fanciness here Hip3.

Tools..
EYE PROTECTION SKIN PROTECTION.. I know you know the dangers of lye.
A ventilated workspace, especially if evaporating naptha.
Crockpot of appropriate size
A Decent Blender
A Wine jug or Glass vessel with a small neck

A glass/non reactive turkey baster or anything that can pull the top layer off of the neck of your bottle..

Glassware for preparing basified solution....A large 2 cup pyrex does the trick for a 1/2 lb recipe and basified non reactive to stir with it.

Cheesecloth, coffee filters or better..basically one kind(cheesecloth-like) for straining out the "bulk" of the plant material(separating it from the acidified aqueous solution) and one for filtering out particulate matter(coffee filter)

Some funnels and collection vases for filtering out plant material

Either a pyrex baking dish or a suitable glass container for freeze precipitating. My guy actually uses a 1/2 pint widemouth and just scrapes it..he doesnt like the idea of a flat pan of filtering in his freezer spilling somehow..I guess if you can find the kind with secure lids...

A scraper to scrape up crystals...

Chems- Distilled White vinegar, Lye, VM&P naptha, Distilled H20(tap is fine too) These three are the basics for the extraction. Everything else is fanciness IMO. The acid can be HCl or whatever..vinegar is easiest, most readily available, least dangerous IMO.

Basically..

Make tea..1vinegar:3-4 parts water..2hour pulls on high crockpot..3-5 recommended..Youll know when the bark is spent, itll be nearly clear. You want your liquid volume to fill to the point where when you add your basifying solution, it will bring the total water level to where you have only the neck of the bottle remaining to be filled(with naptha).My guy shoots for adding a half pint of lye solution to the bottle, so he shoots for the mimosa tea to come to just below where the bottle starts to taper at the top . You may want to calculate this before hand with water and measuring cups. The link here for everclear shows this exact bottle.

Filter tea a reasonable amount and set it in fridge overnight to settle out particles...decant and filter one more time.

Basify-100g of lye per litre of aqueous acidic solution. My guy uses a large everclear bottle and usually uses 65 g of lye added to 1/2 pint of water, which is likely overkill, but seems to do the trick (1/2 lb. recipe which is basically Marso tek cut in half. His recipe scales nicely btw.)

Naptha pulls--add naptha. roll twist shake..whateva. Mix it. Separate it and add to collection jar.

Freeze it. Shit falls out my homie! It is snowing in your freezer!

Pour off naptha and cap it off till it warms to room temp so water doesnt condense in the jar. Once warm enough, put the jar in front of a fan till all traces of naptha smell are gone/ crystals are completely dry.

You can now proceed to Hyperspace.

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by mydarling

you speak of this?
http://forums.mycotopia.net/dmt-spic...-easy-stb.html (Clean & Easy STB)

/me proudly promotes her bf's foaf's tek

If you decide to do a STB, this one is pretty easy.

My friends like the STB because it cuts out a step, making things a lot easier and faster- with pretty much the same results.

Just remember to wear gloves/safety goggles when working with caustic materials.

Strong lye solutions can etch glass containers making them susceptible to cracking. I know that gallon water jugs (teflon coated hdpe) make a pretty good substitute for glass.

If I can think of any tips I'll add more later

Good luck Hip

Feel free to pm me if you have any specific questions.

[~Hippie3]

could this be done in the woods during the winter ?
assuming isolation...

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

could this be done in the woods during the winter ?
assuming isolation...

In my experience, extractions attempted in cold weather, with cold ambient air do not yield much. It took me a couple sub-par extractions before I realized what the problem was (a freezing cold garage in the winter both times) . If naphtha (assuming that's what is being used) is cold, it will hold minimal amounts of the spice. For the best results IMO, the naphtha should be around room temp, maybe a little warmer.

[~Hippie3]

no room,
outdoors.
say one had a heat source,
what temp ?

[Rhyno]

Had a dream once where the Naptha was placed in a water bath and brought to approx. 110 degrees.

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

no room,
outdoors.
say one had a heat source,
what temp ?

for the naphtha?

Never used a thermometer, but when you can start to see a little bit of vapor, it should be good to go. If you can keep the whole extraction heated, that would probably be good too. Normally we don't heat the extractions, but in this case it would serve to keep the naphtha from cooling too quickly before you can pull it out.

The one cool thing about doing this in the cold, is the naphtha cools really fast once it hits the cold glass, and if it's saturated, a good deal of the spice will crash out.

[witchdr11]

You could probably freeze precip outdoors this time of year in some places!

I agree that the solution and naptha probably yield best as warm as possible without risk of igniting fumes. 110-120*F.

I dont see much need for outdoors honestly unless you are evaporating large amounts of naptha. You really only need to even have it exposed to air for a few seconds while adding it to the solution otherwise. An open window or less should suffice for this...

On the other hand, if you can keep temps up , I don't see why one couldn't do it outside.

If you DO need to evap naptha, it might take hella long outside this time of year. Last time my buddy had to do this he put the dish directly in front of a large fan that vented right out the window and shut the room to that door till finished. You could barely even smell it in the room. If left unventilated you will quickly know it, as the fumes become overpowering and unbearably stinky fast if allowed to build up.

Hot water as hot as you can from the tap for 10-15 minutes should be plenty hot for a hot water bath.

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by witchdr11

You could probably freeze precip outdoors this time of year in some places!

I agree that the solution and naptha probably yield best as warm as possible without risk of igniting fumes. 110-120*F.

I dont see much need for outdoors honestly unless you are evaporating large amounts of naptha. You really only need to even have it exposed to air for a few seconds while adding it to the solution otherwise. An open window or less should suffice for this...

On the other hand, if you can keep temps up , I don't see why one couldn't do it outside.

If you DO need to evap naptha, it might take hella long outside this time of year. Last time my buddy had to do this he put the dish directly in front of a large fan that vented right out the window and shut the room to that door till finished. You could barely even smell it in the room. If left unventilated you will quickly know it, as the fumes become overpowering and unbearably stinky fast if allowed to build up.

Hot water as hot as you can from the tap for 10-15 minutes should be plenty hot for a hot water bath.

I'm pretty sure he's only doing the extraction outside cause he doesn't have room in the house.

[witchdr11]

Cant borrow the kitchen for the afternoon?

I know my friend's wife gets pretty shitty bout stuff like this sometimes

I can't see why doing it outside would be catastrophic in any way though..go for it and keep temps in mind.

[Shadowlord]

Originally Posted by witchdr11

Cant borrow the kitchen for the afternoon?

I know my friend's wife gets pretty shitty bout stuff like this sometimes

My Lady's two biggest complaints.
1. All my chemistry experiments in the kitchen.
2. All the closet space has pot growing in it

[bear]

Quick and easy - take your bark into a stockpot. Simmer and mash it around and take two or three boilings of the bark mashing it with some vinegar or citric acid.

Pour this into a 1 gallon wine jug. Basify with NaOH/sodium hydroxide
Add some warm naptha (warm is best)
Stir/shake - let settle
Remove Naptha with glass turkey baster
Evaporate (recrystallize)
Done


OR


Or dump the bark in an enameled pot or glass carboy
add water that you've already added NaOH to into the bark - it'll turn black
stir
add 1/4 inch of naptha and stir and stir
let settle
gently pour the floating solvent off the top
evaporate
recrystallize
Done

And the erowid link " QT's dmt extraction tek for students" - works but sucks.

[SpiritMolecule]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

yes,
let's assume i want the marsofold tek-
what supplies will i need
chems and lab equipment ?

Youll need to grab a crockpt, some jars, milk jugs, funnels, big droppers(dont use a turkey baster), pyrex dish, naptha, lye, and hcl.
Those are the essentials

[bbd2]

id not recommend an stb tek for the first time (or ever, but that just me)
use marsofolds or even better for the n00b
"condopygmy's tek 100" quoted here for your convenience
do that 10 times on your kilo and you will have a nice basic level of experience
to move on to wahteva else, scale up, or refine your methods, or speak intelligently about whats going on

Mix Solution: 4 oz. of White(5%)Vinegar to 1 quart of Distilled Water.
Grind 100g MHRB to fine powder using a good blender or coffee grinder.
Place the ground MHRB in small Crockpot & add 1/2 the above solution till MHRB is completly submerged.
Use the rest of the solution for your Second extraction.
2 extractions / each for 2 hrs. (afterwards clean crockpot for Hot Water Bath). When the 2nd extraction is done, press the plant fiber to get the last of the red liquid out.
Strain both extractions in to plastic container & place in freezer for an hour.(this is called Cold Filtering)
At the bottom of the cold plastic container you'll see gummy Brown sediment, throw that gummy crap AWAY.
Once both extractions are cold filtered, strain the red fluid into a 750ml Clear booze bottle. the reason for a clear bottle is too see layered seperation.
Preheat your crockpot with Hot water & place your 750ml bottle in the crockpot & turn it on.
Next, to Basify put 1 Tbsp of Lye in a small bottle & slowly add 100ml warm water, swirl to mix thoroughly.
Now slowly add it to your 750ml bottle & upend till it's all "BLACK" in color.
(turn cap to release pressure after upending) Leave about an inch of space at the Neck of your 750ml bottle for 30ml of Hot Naptha.
As for the naptha extraction, place a small bottle filled with approx. 100ml Naptha in Hot water bath, get it good & Hot. leave cap slighty loose to release pressure. Once the naptha is good & hot add 30ml of hot naptha to the 750ml bottle neck & upend it for about 3 minutes. (release pressure each time) then Place your 750ml bottle back in the Hot water bath & wait for it to seperate,
I've seen it seperate in under 10 minutes when it's Hot. Once seperated use a turkey baster, pipette or eye dropper to extract the hot Naptha containing your spice alkoloids. Do Three of these 30ml Hot naptha extractions, Put all 3 naptha extractions in small sealed mason jar. (Use a small glass to catch any black specs that might get in, that way you can remove it before adding to your mason jar)
Put sealed jar in freezer, white flakes will form in an hour but wait overnite till flakes have completely fallen out of solvent. Thoroughly dry flakes on coffee filter.
End Results; "the 100g of MHRB will produced appox. 570mg

[extrememetal43]

Listen man il give you what i would do with that bark to properly test it...easy with minimal chances for losses! I think the ratios are from vovins STB tek but my buddy has done numerous tests with different variables these work best.

half pound bark (say250 g in your case to keep it even)
15 cups of distilled water (a gallon minus room for naptha)
250 grams lye (equal parts lye to bark)

This'l will make your basic solution. from there do 3 250 ml pulls with VM + P naptha. For each pull add 250 ml naptha and shake and swirl for 10 minutes and let settle for 1 hour. 2 distinct layers should settle out after a few moments but let settle for an hour each pull then suck off the top naptha layer with turkey baster.

Combine your 3 pulls and reduce with a fan to 1/4 the volume say 150 ml. Then SEAL and freeze frecipitate in a sub zero degree freezer for 24 hours. Pour off naptha, crystals should be stuck to your plate!

Ive done STB and A/B and they have similar yields just less straining and mess, lot easier and quicker with less chance for mistakes w STB.

This should give you a good estimate of expected yield that people around here would expect. I would recomend that from there you maybe test with some Toulene pulls and and FASA precipitation(its gettin advanced here so disregard most around here dont do it) to pull out all remaining alkaloids. like i said this last paragraph is advanced stuff disregard do the simple STB tek thats what we"d do and expect around here.


To review...

Mix 250 gram bark, 250 grams lye, and 15 cups distilled water. Do 3 250 ml VM + P naptha pulls, reduce, then freeze precipitate. that's it!



About the heat you dont need it but it will improve yield a bit. If so I always do the basic solution in a gallon wine jug. use a bucket with hot bath water and keep jug in there before and during pulls. Should be about 120 F. freebase dmt vaporizes above 140 F so keep below that. fresh hot water will heat the vessel in bout half hour easy too.

[bbd2]

problems in stb are harder to solve than problems in marsofold style teks
and the stb final product needs significant cleanup usually
your lungs will thank you for staying away from colored spice

its always better to get clean product from the get go
than try to clean shit up
less yield is lost in the clean up process

[Caljet666]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

teach me
from step 1.
i know nothing of chemistry
have no equipment
all i have is a
kilo of shredded MHRB from
oaxaca gardens .

IMO you don't need a whole heap of shit for spice. All you need equipment wise is...

• A big saucepan
• A cheescloth or an old t-shirt to be used as a crude filter
• Some coke bottles
• A funnel
• A syringe with some clear fuel line on the end, or a turkey baster or even just some tubing if your game to siphon
• Something glass to freeze precip in that you can easily scrape the spice out of
• Naturally, some safety equipment

The chemicals you need are

• Some type of acid. Swim finds vinegar cheap and it wont fuck with your saucepan.
• Some lye
• Some non polar solvent such as VM+P naphtha or heptane
• Distilled water

Before you start it is good to understand what is happening to the spice during the different stages.

Basically, when the DMT is in contact with an acid, the acid forms a salt connected to the actual DMT molecule. While the salt is attached to the DMT it is freely soluble in water. When the water is made alkaline by the lye, the lye attacks and removes the salt off of the DMT molecule and the DMT is no longer soluble in the water, but it is however, soluble in the non polar solvent.


So basically

• DMT treated with acid (vinegar) dissolves in water
• DMT treated with alkaline (lye) dissolves in non polar solvents

Okay... The method...

Step 1:

Dump the MHRB in a saucepan and cover with a solution of 1 part vinegar to 3 parts distilled water.

Bring to a boil and boil for about an hour.

After the hour is up, strain the water through the cheescloth/t-shirt. Save the water and return the MHRB to the saucepan.

Repeat the process a further 2 times so you end up with 3 lots of water extract.


Step 2:

Combine the water extracts and boil down to a manageable size, which is around half of a coke bottle and pour it into a coke bottle with a funnel.


Step 3:

Now is the time to don that safety gear.

Basically you have the DMT in its salt form dissolved in the water, so, while it can't be dissolved in the non polar solvent is the best time to remove some of the fats and oils.

Add an inch or 2 of non polar solvent to the coke bottle and cap it.

Gently roll the bottle end over end for a few minutes. The longer the better.

Let the bottle sit until there is 2 distinct layers and remove the top non polar layer with your syringe, turkey baster or whatever you decided to use. You won't be able to get the last little bit but thats okay.

The more time you repeat this step the cleaner your end product will be. Swim recommends 3 to 5 times.


Step 4:

Carefully add about a teaspoon of lye to the bottle. Don't use a teaspoon though. Just tip some through the funnel will work.

Cap the coke bottle and roll it end over end for about a min. Be carefull of pressure build up, release if nessesary.

Repeat the process untill the mixture has turned pitch black. At first the mix will probably lighten but eventually it will turn black. You can't really add too much lye here so if your unsure, just add some more.


Step 5:

Okay, now that the solution is alkaline it's time to pull the DMT with the non polar solvent.

Add an inch or 2 and gently roll the bottle end over end for a few minutes.

Be very carefull of pressure build up during this step. This is IMO the most dangerous part of the extraction.

Let it settle into 2 layers and remove the top layer and keep it. It has your DMT in it.

Repeat this step at least 3 times. The more time you pull the more you get, but, each pull will be dirtier than the last. Swim usually does 3.


Step 6:

Combine the non polar extracts and evaporate it to about 3 quarters the original volume. Fastest way is with sparkless heat in a pyrex dish or something like that but in front of a fan will do.

Put the nonpolar in the freezer for 12-24 hours.


Step 7:

By now there should be crystals growing around the dish/jar or whatever its in. The crystals will stick to the edge of the glass and the non polar can be tipped out into another container and the crystals can be scraped out.

Put the crystals on a plate in front of a fan until they are completely dry.


You can now smoke it or recrystalize it.

Good luck.

[bear]

Well Hip, there you have it. More choices than you could want?

[~Hippie3]

Originally Posted by lysergic

I'm pretty sure he's only doing the extraction outside cause he doesn't have room in the house.

eh, no, it's a security issue.

safer in the woods.

[extrememetal43]

I once evaporated in an old car with the window cracked and a new air freshener in there. The woods is fine as long as the conditions are good for evaporation and put something over it to keep debris out. Believe me the basic mixture could be put together in the woods in 5 minutes. woods arent a prob with the pulls and im sure he can find a way to evap safely in the woods. a fan an a warm day...keep out of sunlight itd be dun real quik.

[Scroto Baggins]

Here ya go Hip; this little ditty should contain most of the answers to your questions.
DMTHandbook.pdf

[|dw|]

What is the best way to store spice after an extraction, and how long does it last.

[witchdr11]

Cold dark place in amber glass vials are recommended. This last indefinitely, or at least "a long time".

[topaz]

Originally Posted by Norman

If you really want to learn about DMT extraction, I'd suggest doing 50g at a time starting with the "For the Masses" and the Marsofold teks. Then branch out based on what you've learned there.
The only thing I'd initially change with the two is skip the ammonia wash (it works but can be problematic), and after the naptha pulls, do a couple with xylene or toluene to get the red spice.
Just stay away from QT and Yoda - they're both wrong.

Whats wrong with QT's?
SWIM used that TEK and got a healty and potent yield.

[topaz]

Originally Posted by Scroto Baggins

Here ya go Hip; this little ditty should contain most of the answers to your questions.
Attachment 115371

Nice! Thanks.

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

no room,
outdoors.
say one had a heat source,
what temp ?

In my foaf's personal opinion, the best/easiest/most efficient way to heat solvent (not to mention speed seperation) is to add solvent immediatly after basifying with NaOH crystals (as opposed to NaOH solution). Its generally stated in teks that nonpolar pulls should be done at room temp or at 100f. Foaf used to do it this way but has come to the conclusion that hot solvent (and hot aqueous layer) is a better way to go as far as yield, and speed/ease of extraction. Yield is without a doubt higher and with less naptha. Seperation is greatly sped up as well, foaf can count on distinct seperation between layers pretty much by the time he moves the jug from the floor (for rolling) to the countertop. The only (supposed) downside to performing extractions while piping hot is an increase in the extraction of impurities, foaf says "supposed" because he feels this concept is arguable, foaf feels if one performs a decent defat and uses an activated carbon wash (1/4g activated charcoal per expected gram of freebase) there is no difference between spice pulled hot and spice pulled at room temp except yield is better, with less solvent, more quickly when solution is hot. If extraction jug cools after a pull or two, simply add more lye and swirl to bring heat back up.

plus you wont have bring any extra hardware or a powersource out into the woods.

[topaz]

Originally Posted by topaz

Whats wrong with QT's?
SWIM used that TEK and got a healty and potent yield.

To add to this, SWIM use that tek but shortened the extractions to day for the first and 2 days for the 2nd and 3rd rather than the week long period the tek recommends. Also had to add a little more lye than the tek mentioned.

WHat are the other issues people have had with this tek?

[Norman]

Well, my two biggest problems are that it calls for ridiculously long acid soaks and that it doesn't call for enough lye.
If taking a month rather than a weekend to get shitty yields after battling an emulsion that could be sliced like head cheese doesn't bother you, it's fine.

[bear]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

In my foaf's personal opinion, the best/easiest/most efficient way to heat solvent (not to mention speed seperation) is to add solvent immediatly after basifying with NaOH crystals (as opposed to NaOH solution). Its generally stated in teks that nonpolar pulls should be done at room temp or at 100f. Foaf used to do it this way but has come to the conclusion that hot solvent (and hot aqueous layer) is a better way to go as far as yield, and speed/ease of extraction. Yield is without a doubt higher and with less naptha. Seperation is greatly sped up as well, foaf can count on distinct seperation between layers pretty much by the time he moves the jug from the floor (for rolling) to the countertop. The only (supposed) downside to performing extractions while piping hot is an increase in the extraction of impurities, foaf says "supposed" because he feels this concept is arguable, foaf feels if one performs a decent defat and uses an activated carbon wash (1/4g activated charcoal per expected gram of freebase) there is no difference between spice pulled hot and spice pulled at room temp except yield is better, with less solvent, more quickly when solution is hot. If extraction jug cools after a pull or two, simply add more lye and swirl to bring heat back up.

plus you wont have bring any extra hardware or a powersource out into the woods.

+1

[bear]

Originally Posted by topaz

To add to this, SWIM use that tek but shortened the extractions to day for the first and 2 days for the 2nd and 3rd rather than the week long period the tek recommends. Also had to add a little more lye than the tek mentioned.

WHat are the other issues people have had with this tek?

Well that's just my point. You changed the tek. There is no reason to let something sit and shake for a week. Additionally, it recommends mason jars which are fine but pour like shit if you arent careful. Other than that, the tek is fine and is some people's first.. It's just outdated. (but this comment is made without looking at the document for years, fwiw.)

[topaz]

Originally Posted by bear

Well that's just my point. You changed the tek. There is no reason to let something sit and shake for a week. Additionally, it recommends mason jars which are fine but pour like shit if you arent careful. Other than that, the tek is fine and is some people's first.. It's just outdated. (but this comment is made without looking at the document for years, fwiw.)

Good point. This was SWIM's first extraction and he liked that there were illustrations that went along with the tek.
Seemed outrageous to soak in acid for that long. 1 month to get this done!?
Too long!

Next time SWIM imagines refining the tek even further. IE, 2 hours for the first acid soak and 1-2 for the 2nd and third. More Lye for the bassification, a different type of Naptha (used coleman lighter fluid the 1st time, will use VM+P next time) and perhaps a Recrystalization process.

Thanks for all the helpful info. This site is much appreciated!


May your trips be filled with knowledge and understanding.

[|dw|]

What brands of Naptha have you had the best results with?

[claykrys]

Just placed an order for 1kg of bark a few days ago. Im getting excited and I dont even have all my shit together yet. Thank you to everyone who has shared their knowlege. I am glad you started this thread Hip. It will be very handy to have all this info in one thread.

[learnerdr]

could this be done after mixing 115g vine and 56g MH together to make tea? Sounds like I could still do it with this batch. I cooked it together with vinegar in a crockpot for 11 hours (first extr) and 11 more hours (2nd extr) and now I have the extraction in a jug. Could I still use this tek to make smokable DMT? I wanted to make tea but the reduction phase got interupted so now I could do the reduction again but would like to turn it into DMT if poss. Thanks!

[claykrys]

Just tried my first DMT. Took a little of the napitha and put it in the freezer while the rest is evaporating. Just being impatient. LOL
Filtered off the crystals after 2hrs in the freezer. Dried them out and smoked a little. This shit is awsome.

[duaut]

Originally Posted by learnerdr

could this be done after mixing 115g vine and 56g MH together to make tea? Sounds like I could still do it with this batch. I cooked it together with vinegar in a crockpot for 11 hours (first extr) and 11 more hours (2nd extr) and now I have the extraction in a jug. Could I still use this tek to make smokable DMT? I wanted to make tea but the reduction phase got interupted so now I could do the reduction again but would like to turn it into DMT if poss. Thanks!

the harmala will stay and you will only get DMT