Best alternative to smoking DMT

claykrys · 02-05-09, 20:57

A friend of mine has asthma and is wanting to try dmt. This person can't even smoke a cig without having problems for a day or two. What would be the best way for this person to try it.

kompton · 02-05-09, 20:59

Ayahuasca, plus i believe you can administer rectaly, and snorting

claykrys · 02-05-09, 21:24

So would you just mix some crystals with some juice and drink? Are the effects as strong this way?

mister · 02-05-09, 21:25

pharmahuasca. syrian rue then freebase dmt in a capsule/bread pill. amazing ride, smoother than smoking, more manageable. check out witchdoctors-wazzlehuasca.html (Witchdoctor's Wazzlehuasca.)

good starting dose if you're familiar with effects: 100-200mg

extrememetal43 · 02-05-09, 22:05

you need to take an maoi with dmt to make it orally active.

AndyLandy420 · 02-05-09, 22:54

IV would bypass those darned lungs real quick...

kompton · 02-06-09, 00:11

i want to try but im not sure if DMT is soluble in water, or how to prepare it at all for that matter

nugget · 02-06-09, 01:58

hey u could just ... jam a pinch up your bum.

beardedlady · 02-06-09, 08:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

IV would bypass those darned lungs real quick...

Totally. The best thing to do is to inject it.

extrememetal43 · 02-06-09, 08:46

DMT freebase needs to be converted to a salt to be injected. DO NOT inject a freebase. Better be an expert about the subject or your source before you even think about IV'ing it.

beardedlady · 02-06-09, 09:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by extrememetal43

DMT freebase needs to be converted to a salt to be injected. DO NOT inject a freebase. Better be an expert about the subject or your source before you even think about IV'ing it.

I think there are a few teks about converting to a salt on this site. I know I wrote one. Andy might have. Nothing bad has happened to anyone that I know that has done it. There are definitely dirtier things you can inject. But I suppose the dangers of injecting any substance warrant a warning.

Also, snorting the stuff is hell. Don't even bother.

sage · 02-06-09, 09:58

can you take the DMT like LSD? like put it under your tongue?

beardedlady · 02-06-09, 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by sage

can you take the DMT like LSD? like put it under your tongue?

I don't think it's active sublingual. It would probably be gross. A quick google search show that some of the analouges of DMT are active sublingual. Not anything on DMT though.

http://www.erowid.org/library/review/review.php?p=197

kompton · 02-06-09, 10:50

its very caustic, i dont think that would br much fun

Nunyabiz · 02-06-09, 12:11

If you have yopo seeds:

In order to be absorbed by the body, the seeds must be prepared prior to use:

* use 1-4 seeds per person
* heat seeds on low heat until they pop
* separate the outer seed from the inner seed
* the inner part of the seed is used
* discard the outer seed shell
* heat the remaining inner seed on low
* stop heating when it is hard and crunchy
* crush the seed (use a coffee grinder, mortar and pestle, etc.)
* mix the following: 2 parts seed, 1 part lime or shell, and 1 part baking soda
* add a few drops of water to form a paste
* mix well and heat on low until material dries
* crush dry material into a fine powder (use a coffee grinder, mortar and pestle, etc.)

Fresh seeds will puff up and pop (revealing the inner part of the seed) when lightly heated (may take up to 20-30 minutes). A small pot or pan works well, a lid will help retain heat. After the seed pops, separate the outer seed from the inner seed and discard the outer seed.

The inner part of the seed is then crushed into a powder and mixed with lime (or shells) and baking soda. A small amount of water is added to the mixture to form a paste. Mix the paste well, so that all ingredients are combined together.

Then put it in a pot or pan and supply low heat to evaporate the water from the paste. When the paste dries into a powder, use a coffee grinder or mortar and pestle to crush the mixture into a fine powder that can be snorted.

It may take a while for the mixture to dry, a fan can help speed things up. Edible lime or shell (containing lime) must be added to the mixture in order to be absorbed by the human body effectively. Baking soda added to the mixture will also improve bodily absorption.

The reason cebil or yopo snuff is sometimes blown by a fellow shaman into the nose of the user (see image) is because it is unpleasant. A helper can force a larger amount of the drug into the recipients nasal cavity, than the user would be able to consume alone.

You can make your own inhalation tube with some hollow plant stem or something else that will allow you to inhale the powder you have produced. Most people report a pleasant experience, if the user can overcome the nasal discomfort and nausea.

There will most likely be some degree of an uneasy feeling in the stomach. If you can not force yourself to ingest enough powder to produce the desired effect, a helper can force-blow a large amount of cebil or yopo into your nasal passage. Experienced users say 1-2 seeds worth of powder will have a stimulating effect.

The inhalation of 3-4 seeds worth of cebil or yopo is said to produce a period of stimulation lasting about 20-40 minutes followed by a sedative period where hallucinations will probably be experienced. The first time you try, start with 1 seed (mild) to 4 seeds (wild) worth of snuff and see what you think. A sitter who is not using the drug is a good idea.

Dosages between 3-5 seeds have shown to be psychedelic for many users. Dosages over 5 seeds are very high and uncomfortable for most people. One bag contains approximately 40 to 50 seeds.

AndyLandy420 · 02-06-09, 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by claykrys

So would you just mix some crystals with some juice and drink? Are the effects as strong this way?

if freebase is eaten say 20 minutes after a dose syrian rue, effects can be verrry powerful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kompton

i want to try but im not sure if DMT is soluble in water, or how to prepare it at all for that matter

DMT freebase is not water soluble, you need to prepare some DMT fumarate (fasa method most likely) or DMT hydrochloride by titration (add HCl to freebase until it just barely all dissolves).

lyqwyd · 02-06-09, 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by beardedlady

Totally. The best thing to do is to inject it.

got a tek? not the salting, just the rig prep and precautions? mainly for my curiosity, prolly not gonna slam deemsters... bad associations.

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mister Dragon Slayer/Savior Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 238	pharmahuasca. syrian rue then freebase dmt in a capsule/bread pill. amazing ride, smoother than smoking, more manageable. check out witchdoctors-wazzlehuasca.html (Witchdoctor's Wazzlehuasca.) good starting dose if you're familiar with effects: 100-200mg __________________ Birds fly out of a top hat slow To join the brilliance of wilderness and soar through the Congo Edan- Beauty

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extrememetal43 The Jester's Mad Chemist Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,258	you need to take an maoi with dmt to make it orally active. __________________ Your trust is in Whiskey and Weed and Black Sabbath...its Goddamn Electric

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AndyLandy420 Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 810	IV would bypass those darned lungs real quick... __________________ only those who risk going too far can find out how far one can go...

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kompton Greatest Of All Time Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 107	i want to try but im not sure if DMT is soluble in water, or how to prepare it at all for that matter __________________ "Reality is for those who cant handle drugs.." -TiHKAL "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson

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nugget Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 238	hey u could just ... jam a pinch up your bum.

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extrememetal43 The Jester's Mad Chemist Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,258	DMT freebase needs to be converted to a salt to be injected. DO NOT inject a freebase. Better be an expert about the subject or your source before you even think about IV'ing it. __________________ Your trust is in Whiskey and Weed and Black Sabbath...its Goddamn Electric

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Nunyabiz Teonanacatl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 572	yopo snuff... If you have yopo seeds: In order to be absorbed by the body, the seeds must be prepared prior to use: * use 1-4 seeds per person * heat seeds on low heat until they pop * separate the outer seed from the inner seed * the inner part of the seed is used * discard the outer seed shell * heat the remaining inner seed on low * stop heating when it is hard and crunchy * crush the seed (use a coffee grinder, mortar and pestle, etc.) * mix the following: 2 parts seed, 1 part lime or shell, and 1 part baking soda * add a few drops of water to form a paste * mix well and heat on low until material dries * crush dry material into a fine powder (use a coffee grinder, mortar and pestle, etc.) Fresh seeds will puff up and pop (revealing the inner part of the seed) when lightly heated (may take up to 20-30 minutes). A small pot or pan works well, a lid will help retain heat. After the seed pops, separate the outer seed from the inner seed and discard the outer seed. The inner part of the seed is then crushed into a powder and mixed with lime (or shells) and baking soda. A small amount of water is added to the mixture to form a paste. Mix the paste well, so that all ingredients are combined together. Then put it in a pot or pan and supply low heat to evaporate the water from the paste. When the paste dries into a powder, use a coffee grinder or mortar and pestle to crush the mixture into a fine powder that can be snorted. It may take a while for the mixture to dry, a fan can help speed things up. Edible lime or shell (containing lime) must be added to the mixture in order to be absorbed by the human body effectively. Baking soda added to the mixture will also improve bodily absorption. The reason cebil or yopo snuff is sometimes blown by a fellow shaman into the nose of the user (see image) is because it is unpleasant. A helper can force a larger amount of the drug into the recipients nasal cavity, than the user would be able to consume alone. You can make your own inhalation tube with some hollow plant stem or something else that will allow you to inhale the powder you have produced. Most people report a pleasant experience, if the user can overcome the nasal discomfort and nausea. There will most likely be some degree of an uneasy feeling in the stomach. If you can not force yourself to ingest enough powder to produce the desired effect, a helper can force-blow a large amount of cebil or yopo into your nasal passage. Experienced users say 1-2 seeds worth of powder will have a stimulating effect. The inhalation of 3-4 seeds worth of cebil or yopo is said to produce a period of stimulation lasting about 20-40 minutes followed by a sedative period where hallucinations will probably be experienced. The first time you try, start with 1 seed (mild) to 4 seeds (wild) worth of snuff and see what you think. A sitter who is not using the drug is a good idea. Dosages between 3-5 seeds have shown to be psychedelic for many users. Dosages over 5 seeds are very high and uncomfortable for most people. One bag contains approximately 40 to 50 seeds.

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