Different Kratom Strains?

moldylogic · 02-23-09, 17:52

Well, Kratoms been calling me once again, so I was about to order some from BBB , and noticed Super Indo Kratom, Maeng Da Kratom, Malaysian Kratom and Thai Kratom

Im wondering if anyone out there has used multiple kinds (seperately)...
How do these differ.. taste, effect, potency etc, etc.
I cant choose between Maeng Da Kratom and the Super Indo

Soliver · 02-23-09, 21:11

Most of the "super" kratoms I've tried have been marginally more potent, or not at all.
Stick with the cheap bulk stuff and you'll get your money's worth

soliver

moldylogic · 02-28-09, 23:43

After some more reading i found this, which seems to be in context with much of the other subjective reports ive read.

'Maeng Da's subjective effects seem to vary quite widely between individuals. Most agree that it is energizing and very fast-acting, and of short duration. It is very potent at first but seems to quickly build tolerance.

I have sampled it personally and found it to be noticeably active at around 2 grams, with 3 grams being a nice energising level. It is certainly the strongest leaf that I have tried, but not twice as strong as others, maybe 1.5 times as strong as normal high-grade Thai. I doubt very much that it could be ten times stronger than ANY kratom. The strength is debatable however, as the effects are spread over a shorter period than most other kratoms, so it affects you faster and harder but wears off a lot quicker - it's like a "fast release" kratom that gives up its alkaloids more easily than others.'

'All thai seems to be kinda like that for me. Nicely uplifting, but rather short. And it lacks much of what bali or malaysian has, which is most of what I enjoy about it.'

moldylogic · 02-28-09, 23:52

Im also wondering now the quality of ground vs 'cut and sifted'
My PDR notes that some herbs effects are significantly reduced if not consumed 'shortly' after grinding. Obviously oxidization would take place more rapidly.

ShroomGuerilla · 02-28-09, 23:55

all the krat I get is sifted
Get it at the seed store.
The guy has it in a big freezer bag
Lasts him a few months.
Always potent on my end.

claykrys · 02-28-09, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soliver

Most of the "super" kratoms I've tried have been marginally more potent, or not at all.
Stick with the cheap bulk stuff and you'll get your money's worth

soliver

I agree with Soliver. I have tried the expensive stuff and the extracts. I have never felt they were worth the price difference.

surf.shaman · 03-01-09, 01:44

i just got some from BBB and tried it last night.
i took 5 grams of leaf - the thai - it was $20 for 28g
i put the 5 grams in hot water and it was less then pleasant to get down - but nothing compare to san pedro tea.
it kicked in quickly and lasted the evening.
in the future i am going to cap it when i use it again.
i like it... i was really surprised - it was nice.

Holesnype · 03-01-09, 12:19

All I can say is I've tried Kratom at least 5 times and it doesn't do a damned thing for me. I've tried from vendors, internet sources, and even eBay. Each time I dosed at least 12mg, sometimes 15 or more on an emty stomach. I felt the effects, but they sucked. I get more of a buzz from smoking a cigarette.

This could be from a long history with Vicodin, Poppy tea, and other opiates. I don't know. IMO Kratom just flat out sucks. I bought 2 ounces of fine powder one time and ate like 20 grams and it didn't do crap. I gave up on it.

surf.shaman · 03-01-09, 23:48

5 grams was a nice buzz for me! I do not have a history of opiate tolerance though. Not that I have never taken them... one or two vicodin or one perc is nice for me.

moldylogic · 03-02-09, 01:10

Thanks for all you input, i was never asking for dosage which is in almost never a constant, and usually very subjective.. Simply differences in strain, and storage (ground vs crushed, vs 'chopped') although i see the confusion in my original post.

I believe kratom is something that may possibly contain an alkaloid mixture that some wont be receptive to. (opoid use or not) Everyone I know that has experimented with kratom saw quite strong effects. Ive experimented with kratom with great 'lab' results.

Holesnype, 12mg is not even close to the low- to average dose of 5000 mg (5g) sometimes even passing (15 grams) 15000 mg You claim to of taken 12 mg, which is equal to 0.012 g's... If this is true, i doubt anyone would of felt anything.

If it is true you also took 20,000 mg or 20 grams(which you said), and felt nothing... id say its safe to say you are immune to the effects. If interested in trying one more time, id go with one of our sponsors... but then again, you may just be hard-headed to this plant (immune)

I appreciate all your info..

Soliver · 03-03-09, 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holesnype

All I can say is I've tried Kratom at least 5 times and it doesn't do a damned thing for me. I've tried from vendors, internet sources, and even eBay. Each time I dosed at least 12mg, sometimes 15 or more on an emty stomach. I felt the effects, but they sucked. I get more of a buzz from smoking a cigarette.

This could be from a long history with Vicodin, Poppy tea, and other opiates. I don't know. IMO Kratom just flat out sucks. I bought 2 ounces of fine powder one time and ate like 20 grams and it didn't do crap. I gave up on it.

If you use opiates, kratom won't work well, or at all, as you've seen. Example: A year ago, I came
across a bottle of percocets. I took two of them, and got a smallish kick, as if I had taken
a few tylenol 3's (I use / used kratom daily), but that was it.

I used kratom to come off narcotic pills some years ago. During transition, the kratom helped greatly with the w/d's, but didn't really do much for me until the
opiates were well out of my system. Funny how that works. An interesting study for someone
with the means to study it

soliver

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02-23-09, 17:52	#1 (permalink)
moldylogic Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 382	Different Kratom Strains? Well, Kratoms been calling me once again, so I was about to order some from BBB , and noticed Super Indo Kratom, Maeng Da Kratom, Malaysian Kratom and Thai Kratom Im wondering if anyone out there has used multiple kinds (seperately)... How do these differ.. taste, effect, potency etc, etc. I cant choose between Maeng Da Kratom and the Super Indo

02-28-09, 23:55	#5 (permalink)
ShroomGuerilla Myco-Monkey Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,300	all the krat I get is sifted Get it at the seed store. The guy has it in a big freezer bag Lasts him a few months. Always potent on my end. __________________ Revolución motha fucka, you heard of it? I light the spliff with the flag, while I'm burnin it

03-01-09, 12:19	#8 (permalink)
Holesnype Whisker Biscuit Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 8	All I can say is I've tried Kratom at least 5 times and it doesn't do a damned thing for me. I've tried from vendors, internet sources, and even eBay. Each time I dosed at least 12mg, sometimes 15 or more on an emty stomach. I felt the effects, but they sucked. I get more of a buzz from smoking a cigarette. This could be from a long history with Vicodin, Poppy tea, and other opiates. I don't know. IMO Kratom just flat out sucks. I bought 2 ounces of fine powder one time and ate like 20 grams and it didn't do crap. I gave up on it. __________________ I'm sofa king we Todd did.

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02-23-09, 21:11	#2 (permalink)
Soliver Deviant Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,784	Most of the "super" kratoms I've tried have been marginally more potent, or not at all. Stick with the cheap bulk stuff and you'll get your money's worth soliver

02-28-09, 23:43	#3 (permalink)
moldylogic Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 382	After some more reading i found this, which seems to be in context with much of the other subjective reports ive read. 'Maeng Da's subjective effects seem to vary quite widely between individuals. Most agree that it is energizing and very fast-acting, and of short duration. It is very potent at first but seems to quickly build tolerance. I have sampled it personally and found it to be noticeably active at around 2 grams, with 3 grams being a nice energising level. It is certainly the strongest leaf that I have tried, but not twice as strong as others, maybe 1.5 times as strong as normal high-grade Thai. I doubt very much that it could be ten times stronger than ANY kratom. The strength is debatable however, as the effects are spread over a shorter period than most other kratoms, so it affects you faster and harder but wears off a lot quicker - it's like a "fast release" kratom that gives up its alkaloids more easily than others.' 'All thai seems to be kinda like that for me. Nicely uplifting, but rather short. And it lacks much of what bali or malaysian has, which is most of what I enjoy about it.'

02-28-09, 23:52	#4 (permalink)
moldylogic Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 382	Im also wondering now the quality of ground vs 'cut and sifted' My PDR notes that some herbs effects are significantly reduced if not consumed 'shortly' after grinding. Obviously oxidization would take place more rapidly.

03-01-09, 01:44	#7 (permalink)
surf.shaman riding ancient waves Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 122	i just got some from BBB and tried it last night. i took 5 grams of leaf - the thai - it was $20 for 28g i put the 5 grams in hot water and it was less then pleasant to get down - but nothing compare to san pedro tea. it kicked in quickly and lasted the evening. in the future i am going to cap it when i use it again. i like it... i was really surprised - it was nice.

03-01-09, 23:48	#9 (permalink)
surf.shaman riding ancient waves Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 122	5 grams was a nice buzz for me! I do not have a history of opiate tolerance though. Not that I have never taken them... one or two vicodin or one perc is nice for me.

03-02-09, 01:10	#10 (permalink)
moldylogic Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 382	Thanks for all you input, i was never asking for dosage which is in almost never a constant, and usually very subjective.. Simply differences in strain, and storage (ground vs crushed, vs 'chopped') although i see the confusion in my original post. I believe kratom is something that may possibly contain an alkaloid mixture that some wont be receptive to. (opoid use or not) Everyone I know that has experimented with kratom saw quite strong effects. Ive experimented with kratom with great 'lab' results. Holesnype, 12mg is not even close to the low- to average dose of 5000 mg (5g) sometimes even passing (15 grams) 15000 mg You claim to of taken 12 mg, which is equal to 0.012 g's... If this is true, i doubt anyone would of felt anything. If it is true you also took 20,000 mg or 20 grams(which you said), and felt nothing... id say its safe to say you are immune to the effects. If interested in trying one more time, id go with one of our sponsors... but then again, you may just be hard-headed to this plant (immune) I appreciate all your info..