Mescaline Extraction of San Pedro Cactus with HCl Gas, Video

[KneeSoup]

To view this full screen and without watermark, follow the youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ7u4beagOw



Parts of procedure borrowed from ZiM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfcEJ3B5o5o) and tregar (http://forums.mycotopia.net/mescalin...-easy-pie.html (Crystal Clear Mescaline HCL -- easy as pie))

[EmmisonJ]

first to comment, i'll happily be the first to say you rock - very impressive! detailed, accurate, and the focus on safety is done very well. focused on highlights like disturbing the salts after gassing so people can see them float around in the non-polar. i also like the editing for the fast crystal growth at the end. can tell a lot of time was put into this many props to you, archive material.

for those of you who are still using freeze separation, note the homemade sep funnel 4 min's deep, just a water jug with a small hole in it, quick (gloved) finger, and careful eye.

[KungFoo C]

Kudos man! Nice video, I gotta download it and add it to my psychedelic library (So much good stuff in there now). Didn't cut corners, and showed how simple it is to gas. Thanks for the gift

[AndyLandy420]

AWESOME! now people who are too lazy to apply themselves to reading up on proper extraction techniques can just watch this.

[chozen1]

very interesting my friend

[brain leg]

we were just talking about how there was not a video like this on youtube, good effort

[roc]

I've been wondering how I should do my last half kilo of skins... Thanks for the post and link.

[KneeSoup]

Thanks for watching and for all the positive replies!
My initial intentions were to make this as brief and technical as possible, but in lieu of misunderstandings I saw people experience while watching the preliminary edits, I redirected everything to be more comprehendable by those without lab experience. I figured I would get some criticism for this, but I feel it's far better to be explicit than to try and deter attempts by being vague, which could cause someone do something wrong procedurally.
Also, If there's anything that should/could be changed procedurally to increase yield or anything else, please reply!

[AndyLandy420]

Not to be offensive, but what is your target audience here? What is your intention in making this? I like the vid, well made, accurate but what is the point? If its aimed at experienced extractors than you didn’t really do anything except for go through the motions, if its aimed at rookies... well I personally don’t think any rookie should even consider using HCl gas with no prior extraction experience especially when its non essential. I’m honestly not tryin to shit on your masterpiece here, just making an observation. It would seem to me that this type of thing would attract unwanted attention and serve no real purpose, but that’s just my 2 cents. I want to reiterate that I appreciate the effort put into this video and I think its done quite well, but seriously man, can you even fathom how many stupid ass people surf youtube? It just seems like a somewhat brazen face to put on something like extracting, something highly illegal, potentially highly dangerous, and an undertaking that demands a certain level of dedication and diligence, and did I mention how many stupid people go on youtube?

Peace

[mushroommaster7]

"and did I mention how many stupid people go on youtube?"

hahahhahah

yeah that's a cool vid thought, looks easier than it is but cool lookin!

[KneeSoup]

I target those with desire. You said it best, this is "an undertaking that demands a certain level of dedication and diligence," which is required in even the most simple acid/base extraction. Currently the majority of videos and teks I've found are poorly constructed and/or are not very technical. I realize that those who spend the time doing research may still be apprehensive because they may be a novice to the world of chemical extraction; we all start there. Not everyone is an experienced extractor, and indeed an experienced extractor should need this video for nothing more than to guide the inexperienced. Although this does have some advanced techniques, it will yield a product that is purer for dosing than the black powdered shiz I've seen produced from some acid/base extractions. The safety alone in determining a proper dose and not overcompensating for impurity is reason enough for me to disseminate this information. I believe there should be no restriction on information exchange and that no body should be denied information from a judgment I (or anyone) can make about his or her capacity to understand or learn. I'm showing that there are ways to do things properly, and this needs proper instruction. And yes, I realize YT is not the first place I should turn to find a prodigy (although I may). It is merely an open gallery. It's also not my intention to rid the earth of people by enticing them to haphazardly play with HCl gas. My repeated warnings should convey the dangers involved and steer 99% away that aren't prepared to try. Those that remain will prove their dedication and diligence for desire.

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by KneeSoup

I target those with desire. You said it best, this is "an undertaking that demands a certain level of dedication and diligence," which is required in even the most simple acid/base extraction. Currently the majority of videos and teks I've found are poorly constructed and/or are not very technical. I realize that those who spend the time doing research may still be apprehensive because they may be a novice to the world of chemical extraction; we all start there. Not everyone is an experienced extractor, and indeed an experienced extractor should need this video for nothing more than to guide the inexperienced. Although this does have some advanced techniques, it will yield a product that is purer for dosing than the black powdered shiz I've seen produced from some acid/base extractions. The safety alone in determining a proper dose and not overcompensating for impurity is reason enough for me to disseminate this information. I believe there should be no restriction on information exchange and that no body should be denied information from a judgment I (or anyone) can make about his or her capacity to understand or learn. I'm showing that there are ways to do things properly, and this needs proper instruction. And yes, I realize YT is not the first place I should turn to find a prodigy (although I may). It is merely an open gallery. It's also not my intention to rid the earth of people by enticing them to haphazardly play with HCl gas. My repeated warnings should convey the dangers involved and steer 99% away that aren't prepared to try. Those that remain will prove their dedication and diligence for desire.

yeah but what is to stop those who have what it takes to do an extraction safely from finding a fine establishment such as this one? why put it out for EVERYONE to see? Im all about not denying people information BUT i am an even bigger supporter of this hobby sticking around, the more attention this kind of thing gets the more the noose tightens and walls WILL come up.

[KneeSoup]

This entire forum is open for the world to see. I came here to tregar's ghetto gasser just the same as I have found my way to youtubes, the only difference was the order of my search results. The visual nature of a video compared to that of a forum post may seem more impactful, but they confer the same information and are easily accessible the same. Walls go up and walls come right back down. Without deviance, there would not be the rebellion that causes the real changes you only see by those passionate enough to risk everything, that which you mention in your signature. The keep it low and legal argument is a valid one, but the pervasiveness, ease of growth, and hardiness of the genera (and the entire Cactaceae family) convinces me these cacti will be around for a while, perhaps long after we're gone.

[AndyLandy420]

i truly hope so...
take it easy brotha

[fungusamongus]

Awesome!

[synth]

can you tell me of the music used?

[buteo]

its a great video. great job.

[KneeSoup]

Originally Posted by synth

can you tell me of the music used?

The answer to that can be found in the rolling end credits.. One of my favorite electro artists, Squarepusher, from his latest EP.

[synth]

whoops. i watched it the day you posted it and thought i looked for credits.
i guess i somehow missed it or got distracted.
ty.

[108]

how much hot water do you add in the last step before separating the water into the baking dish?

[KneeSoup]

Originally Posted by 108

how much hot water do you add in the last step before separating the water into the baking dish?

300-400ml
Enough to dissolve the precipitate. If you think you need more, add more before seperating.

[director of sound]

was calcium chloride/HCL used for the HCL gas production? that seams to be the easiest method i know of. cheap too along with the gassing apparatus it prob would only cost $30 max

[real_psily]

Good vid.
I would like to know a little more about the cardboard "hood" you made what fan are you using, how is it enclosed, where does it vent, stuff like that. This kind of stuff would help to add to the safety factor.

[bear]

One step closer to making the possible impossible!

[real_psily]

Originally Posted by bear

One step closer to making the possible impossible!

That's why it is good to have some in your garden. Then its always possible.

[KneeSoup]

Originally Posted by real_psily

Good vid.
I would like to know a little more about the cardboard "hood" you made what fan are you using, how is it enclosed, where does it vent, stuff like that. This kind of stuff would help to add to the safety factor.

I can't go into detail with the construction of my hood, but in tregar's tek POST #4 has a description of use and POST #7 (http://forums.mycotopia.net/mescalin...tml#post443894 (Crystal Clear Mescaline HCL -- easy as pie)) shows how to build an inexpensive fume hood with pictures.

The basic theory is to have enough airflow to exhaust any gas produced in a resonable quantity, outside. It must also not be able to make its way back to you from outside. This means the working opening has to be as small as possible while still being able to work through. The smaller the opening for air to enter, the better the airflow. What material to construct it depends on what is being vented. If it is temporary, and no flame is going to be present, cardboard is fine. Metal is best for flames, sealed wood is next best, with plastic coming in just before cardboard.

[real_psily]

Knee,
Thanks, I have seen Tregar's and yours looked nothing like it... so was just wondering. I understand the basics and specifics of hood systems just wanted your specific take on the whole thing. I was not trying to flame you for using cardboard either, as it should be fine for your application. Though you might be better with the kind that is coated with wax or other so as not to be porous, but I don't think it's that big a deal.
Once again nice vid and post.

[Caljet666]

I'm afraid I agree with Andylandy420 here. You tube is the worst possible place for this sort of information to end up. There was a huge outcry with teens filming themselves smoking salvia and putting it on you tube which was plastered all over the news and were I live it resulted in the banning of salvia. How are they going to react to an "illicit drug lab." You and I both know that mesc isn't meth or anything like that but to the ignorant it is the same or maybe even a lot worse. In the last couple months Peyote was banned in my state (Queensland Australia) and I fear that something like this could lead to the banning of Pedro, Torch etc. as well.


Having said that the video is a good job and would have a great home somewhere like here.

Also, If there's anything that should/could be changed procedurally to increase yield or anything else, please reply!

There are 2 things I'd like to add

I don't see the reason for gassing if your going to extract with water anyway. IMO you should filter the mesc out of the organic phase so you don't get all the crap that would have gone from the organic to the aqueous during the water pull.

Aqueous HCl mixed with CaCl does generate HCl gas but it also generates a little steam that gets carried through the tubes. Running the tubes through a second chamber filled with CaCl will clear it out and will result in a larger yield if you're filtering instead of doing a water pull. H2SO4 with NaCl will produce a much dryer gas and probably won't need a second drying chamber. If the humidity is high I would use one anyway.

[KneeSoup]

Firstly, Salvia divinorum was declared a Schedule 9 substance of Australia, June of 2002. Youtube didn't exist until 2005. Therefore, no video on YT could have aided in this legislation.

What are provided here are details of chemical reactions. The physiology of reactions to a chemical in the body is another thing completely. Videos of kids laughing is harmless when compared to what you find when searching YT for a "drunk." Get back to me with what you find. Ethanol (Grain alcohol, ie. beer) is the leading killer drug! This is sold in cheap, near-pure, deadly (toxic) concentrations, yet it is still the most widely obtainable drug. If you want to argue about uninformed governments who produce propaganda, pass legislature in private, and lock up millions of people because they smoked a flower or drank a brew, we can.

The reason for gassing is that there is an unknown quantity of mesc. in the plant. If it was known, the correct amt. of HCl can be used. Instead, the HCl gas that reacts will precipitate the product, with very little gas (or vapor) remaining in the solvent. This particular reaction has a large excess of CaCl2, which was also completely dried to increase effectiveness. A second filter chamber is a good idea. I do think the amount of CaCl2 in this reaction is enough to act as its own filter, as the fluid level in the bottle was far below the level of the CaCl2. There needs to be care taken not to shake or do anything rapid to the bottle to cause the reaction to speed up. Perhaps an ice bath could be used to lessen the extent of H2O evaporation.

If the water is of neutral pH (distillation) there will be purer product than if the water is acidic with HCl. I recommend recrystallization as a purification technique over filters in this reaction. Even the best filters trap some product, but used after proper recrystallization (long, clear, beautiful thick crystals), they work wonderfully. H2SO4 is hard to come by here and I have never carried out the above said reaction. It may be worth an experiment to determine which method yields more product.

[KneeSoup]

Torrent of higher quality video

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by KneeSoup

Firstly, Salvia divinorum was declared a Schedule 9 substance of Australia, June of 2002. Youtube didn't exist until 2005. Therefore, no video on YT could have aided in this legislation.

Oh, but it did in the US.

This is a great informative video, but I also do not think it has any place on youtube.

[Caljet666]

Firstly, Salvia divinorum was declared a Schedule 9 substance of Australia, June of 2002. Youtube didn't exist until 2005. Therefore, no video on YT could have aided in this legislation.

Youtube may not have existed but the internet did. I have read that the government admitted it's information was garnered from the internet. Saying Youtube was an incorrect assumption on my part.

What are provided here are details of chemical reactions. The physiology of reactions to a chemical in the body is another thing completely.

Your right, they are different, but you've got it back to front. Kids filming themselves using salvia are at the consumer end of the spectrum. The details of the reactions you posted there are at the manufacture and even supply end of it. Do you think the ignorant masses will think of it as just "details of chemical reactions" or will they see it as A DRUG LAB. I doubt they'd hold you in any higher esteem than a meth cook.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good vid, but surely it could have a better home"

The reason for gassing is that there is an unknown quantity of mesc. in the plant. If it was known, the correct amt. of HCl can be used. Instead, the HCl gas that reacts will precipitate the product, with very little gas (or vapor) remaining in the solvent. This particular reaction has a large excess of CaCl2, which was also completely dried to increase effectiveness. A second filter chamber is a good idea. I do think the amount of CaCl2 in this reaction is enough to act as its own filter, as the fluid level in the bottle was far below the level of the CaCl2. There needs to be care taken not to shake or do anything rapid to the bottle to cause the reaction to speed up. Perhaps an ice bath could be used to lessen the extent of H2O evaporation.

If the water is of neutral pH (distillation) there will be purer product than if the water is acidic with HCl. I recommend recrystallization as a purification technique over filters in this reaction. Even the best filters trap some product, but used after proper recrystallization (long, clear, beautiful thick crystals), they work wonderfully. H2SO4 is hard to come by here and I have never carried out the above said reaction. It may be worth an experiment to determine which method yields more product.

There is nothing "wrong" with the way you do it. Recrystallisation, especially dual solvent, is IMO the way to go regardless of weather you filtered or extracted with water. I have found in my experience though that the product will be cleaner if it is filtered out of the organic phase and rinsed with a little cold solvent.

[KneeSoup]

Originally Posted by Caljet666

Your right, they are different, but you've got it back to front. Kids filming themselves using salvia are at the consumer end of the spectrum. The details of the reactions you posted there are at the manufacture and even supply end of it. Do you think the ignorant masses will think of it as just "details of chemical reactions" or will they see it as A DRUG LAB. I doubt they'd hold you in any higher esteem than a meth cook.

Your initial position was for censorship of the video because it may propel legislation. Now, in the case of salvia experiences being used as evidence for the plant's regulation, the videos provoked fear and possibility of endangerment to others from the subjects' actions on the videos.

This video demonstrates chemical reactions and extraction, which lends no insight in any way to what the chemical does in the body. You are right in suggesting this lab operates on the same principles as one that makes meth... You can even suggest its liking to labs that make antibiotics or vitamins. There is no difference in possibility in an able laboratory, only accountability.

What it really comes down to is the prevalence of San pedro/Peruvian torch, much like psilocybin mushrooms in some regions, makes it impossible to pass and enforce legislation. This video is a far shot from instilling the same fear mentioned earlier; it simply cannot invoke that response because the consumer experience is completely removed.

[AndyLandy420]

you ever of zim? that shit gets noticed whether you show people trippin out or not.

[Caljet666]

That could be all be well and true if it was not mentioning what type of amine was being salted out, but considering that the title is
"Mescaline Extraction of San Pedro Cactus with HCl Gas"
it is definately going to raise some eyebrows. Your obviously not going to take it down no matter what I say. It must feel to good to be the youtube resident drug cook.

[Coughing_Anon]

Just saying, last guy who put a video on youtube got busted. The police wised up.
He was a poster here, too.

This might be a bit better if you took it off of youtube, and rather uploaded the video to the pirate bay or somewhere else. Youtube is a bit mainstream for this kind of information. Besides, if someone needs this info, they need a forum like this first anyway.
Because none of us here want to see a shitstorm. This kind of thing makes your hobby very noticeable. And that's bad.

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

you ever of zim? that shit gets noticed whether you show people trippin out or not.

Exactly what I was thinking

[KneeSoup]

It may get noticed, but it cannot be used as evidence in trial as basis for _why_ the chemical should be illegal. "It should be illegal because... it can be extracted" is by no means a way to determine the medicinal and/or harmful effects of a chemical.

As long as the video in no violation of youtube's policies, it shall remain.

Coughing_Anon: The video is also on thepiratebay, under the same title. There is a link to the torrent in a previous post.

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by KneeSoup

It may get noticed, but it cannot be used as evidence in trial as basis for _why_ the chemical should be illegal. "It should be illegal because... it can be extracted" is by no means a way to determine the medicinal and/or harmful effects of a chemical.

The issue is not why it's illegal,
but that it is illegal.

The person Andy is referring to did time for a video very much like yours
That had been posted all over the internet...

If this does get noticed it can, and probably will
be used as evidence for why you should prosecuted.
The fact that it is on youtube vastly increases the likelihood of this.

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by KneeSoup

It may get noticed, but it cannot be used as evidence in trial as basis for _why_ the chemical should be illegal. "It should be illegal because... it can be extracted" is by no means a way to determine the medicinal and/or harmful effects of a chemical.

I do not see how you come to this conclusion, mescaline is already illegal so that’s not the issue, the issue is drawing attention to legal cactus, your making it perfectly clear just how simple and easy it is to turn a legal cactus with regular chems from the store into a schedule I illicit substance. If law enforcement did take note of this video and wanted to decrease the quantity of mescaline out there WTF do you think they are gunna do? cant ban HCl, its too common, cant ban NaOH, it has too many legit uses, sure as shit are not gunna ban CaCl. What does that leave? It would not be that hard to just go hey, ya know what, schedule I drugs are being made with this cactus, and apparently its pretty common cuz its on fucking youtube, so its banned! no one can have it shipped to them anymore, no one can sell it online, cant purchase the seeds anymore. And I get that if you grow it then you have nothing to worry about cuz you can supply yourself. But think about how many people enjoy that cactus that do not cultivate it themselves that are now fucked just because some asshole wanted the attention. You've already made it clear that you dont give a damn what anyone on here says, you have not shown one scrap of remourse or apprehension or even let on that anyone on here may be right when they say, this video is NOT worth the trouble it can cause, jus tell yourself whatever you need to to keep the glory coming and feel that your just.

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

I do not see how you come to this conclusion, mescaline is already illegal so that’s not the issue, the issue is drawing attention to legal cactus, your making it perfectly clear just how simple and easy it is to turn a legal cactus with regular chems from the store into a schedule I illicit substance. If law enforcement did take note of this video and wanted to decrease the quantity of mescaline out there WTF do you think they are gunna do? cant ban HCl, its too common, cant ban NaOH, it has too many legit uses, sure as shit are not gunna ban CaCl. What does that leave? It would not be that hard to just go hey, ya know what, schedule I drugs are being made with this cactus, and apparently its pretty common cuz its on fucking youtube, so its banned! no one can have it shipped to them anymore, no one can sell it online, cant purchase the seeds anymore. And I get that if you grow it then you have nothing to worry about cuz you can supply yourself. But think about how many people enjoy that cactus that do not cultivate it themselves that are now fucked just because some asshole wanted the attention. You've already made it clear that you dont give a damn what anyone on here says, you have not shown one scrap of remourse or apprehension or even let on that anyone on here may be right when they say, this video is NOT worth the trouble it can cause, jus tell yourself whatever you need to to keep the glory coming and feel that your just.

[mushroommaster7]

you really think this video would form a solid basis for banning the legal cactus? it's much easier to create a low budget bomb than it is to perform the indicated process in that vid


i understand though, you guys are protective... that's admirable

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by mushroommaster7

you really think this video would form a solid basis for banning the legal cactus?

I'm sure that was the rationale behind many of the youtube salvia videos as well.

Recently, people at the DMT Nexus have been flagging DMT related videos on youtube so that they get taken down.

I'm beginning to think this isn't such a bad idea.

[mushroommaster7]

lol, true

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by mushroommaster7

you really think this video would form a solid basis for banning the legal cactus? it's much easier to create a low budget bomb than it is to perform the indicated process in that vid

Im in no position to say IT WILL or IT WONT, it sure as shit cant help the situation, that im sure of, any undue attention imo is bad and is ONLY warranted if it serves an important purpose, what purpose does this video really serve? no one would ever be able to pull off an extraction with this video alone, so they would need to spend some time on a site like this, and as long as their on a site like this, they have no for need the video, everything you need is right here, so again whats the purpose of the video on youtube with the above being said? attention imo.

Originally Posted by lysergic

Recently, people at the DMT Nexus have been flagging DMT related videos on youtube so that they get taken down.

I'm beginning to think this isn't such a bad idea.

thats a great idea, ill be right back...

[Golden Teacher]

Originally Posted by lysergic

I'm sure that was the rationale behind many of the youtube salvia videos as well.

Recently, people at the DMT Nexus have been flagging DMT related videos on youtube so that they get taken down.

I'm beginning to think this isn't such a bad idea.

I second that notion Lysergic. You Tube used to have all kinds of videos about growing magic mushrooms, smoking salvia, etc... The people who posted the magic mushroom videos got into TROUBLE even though they were not breaking any You Tube regulations. They were breaking U.S. laws because they were enouraging people to learn how to produce, and hencly distribute, illigal substances.

Salivia is now ILLEGAL in many states. You can thank YouTube posters like yourself. Now we might loose our LEGAL cactus suppliers because they don't want undue heat from LEO and DEA. Are you really that dunce?

For your own personal sake I would take down that video from YouTube. LEO watches YouTube like a hawk and they will track down your ISP address and find you. They have done it in the past for the shrooms and the salvia posts. What would stop them from some one who wants to teach the general populus how to make PURE MESCALINE.

I'm not trying to personally attack you. Your video is excellent, but there are FAR better avanues to transmit your message to the CORRECT target group.

YouTube is for Retards who have free time. They stumble upon this video and could end up severaly hurting themselves or people around them.

BAD KARMA for you brotha.

Insanley aggitated,

GT

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

thats a great idea, ill be right back...

I'd flag it myself as well, if I didn't have to make an account to do it

[seedlessstinky1]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

I do not see how you come to this conclusion, mescaline is already illegal so that’s not the issue, the issue is drawing attention to legal cactus, your making it perfectly clear just how simple and easy it is to turn a legal cactus with regular chems from the store into a schedule I illicit substance. If law enforcement did take note of this video and wanted to decrease the quantity of mescaline out there WTF do you think they are gunna do? cant ban HCl, its too common, cant ban NaOH, it has too many legit uses, sure as shit are not gunna ban CaCl. What does that leave? It would not be that hard to just go hey, ya know what, schedule I drugs are being made with this cactus, and apparently its pretty common cuz its on fucking youtube, so its banned! no one can have it shipped to them anymore, no one can sell it online, cant purchase the seeds anymore. And I get that if you grow it then you have nothing to worry about cuz you can supply yourself. But think about how many people enjoy that cactus that do not cultivate it themselves that are now fucked just because some asshole wanted the attention. You've already made it clear that you dont give a damn what anyone on here says, you have not shown one scrap of remourse or apprehension or even let on that anyone on here may be right when they say, this video is NOT worth the trouble it can cause, jus tell yourself whatever you need to to keep the glory coming and feel that your just.

Im sorry but why would someone look on Youtube for info on mescaline? Big Brother is the only one who i can think of that would. No bueno.

And i didnt learn anything BTW! Very un-informative. Like andy said what is the purpose of this video. If someone were fuckin with that shit they wouldnt need youtube. Sorry thats my opinion.

[steeq]

to AndyLandy and Lysergic for speaking the TRUTH. The war on drugs is bad enough. So for now we can buy natural forms and extract them ourselves but it won't last long if we put it out there under the noses.

Salvia is a prime example of this, mainstream had never even heard of it until some kids go posting youtube videos and now I can't buy it in my state. Do us all and yourself a favor and remove that vid.

[Caljet666]

This videos has been removed due to terms of use violation.

EXCELENT!!!