Advice+tips for making DMT more smokable

[Phlux-]

okay about that new pipe - nice choice , instead of using plant material in it - never thought of trying it - take 5 of those small copper pipe screens - the little grid ones and roll the first one into a ball, then roll the second one around that, then the next one - at the end u will have a nice pillow for ur spice that fits snugly into the piece. sprinkle the spice on top - melt slightly - tip about 45 degrees to the side and vape with a normal lighter keeping the flame well away from the spice - just using the hot air from under the flame to vape it - swim says his pet monkeys favorite unkill does this and reported it worked brilliantly.

[beardedlady]

I admit, I'm not a chemist. I'm not an expert at extractions either. I've just followed the Marsofold text, and then read up more on acid/base extractions, and it's worked well for me.

I'll go through what you posted piece by piece and give you my opinions on what you have said. You will probably get other responses from people that disagree about something, but this is just based off of my experiences.

Originally Posted by childofthetao

OK, I never tested any PH because my PH papers STILL haven't arrived so that may also have been a problem.

Whenever I did not check the pH of stuff, my yields were always off and my end product was always a little less clean. One time I could not find the meter so I did not check the pH of anything, and my full extraction from a kilo of bark was like 1.4 grams.

I went through the barkness again, this time checking the pH, and reclaimed several more grams.

OK first of all we ripped up 500g MHRB that I got from spiritgarden.co.uk. Then grinded into almost powder ina blender. There was still some stringy parts left that wouldn't blend.

Then I mixed 1.25L of white vinegar with 3.75L of water giving me a gallon.

You'll never get it completely everything into a powder. Atleast I have never been able to. Also, the vinegar thing...goes back the pH issue. Addressed.

I put the root bark powder into my crockpot and poured a quarter of the water/vinegar into it, turned it on high and left it for two hours. Once done I poured it into a gallon jar, this I repeated except for the last quarter of the vinegar solution. It was late so I poured it into the crockpot, turned it off, and left it all night (I probably should have left it on), anyway the next day I turned it on for two hours, then poured it into the rest of brown stuff in the gallon jar.
I then squeezed all remaining juice out of the bark sludge and threw it away.

I always would leave my crockpot on low or medium, the hot setting was extremely hot and I was worried about damaging the DMT.

I've all together stopped heating using a crockpot and I just let the acid water and bark sit for longer periods of time. I've noticed no decrease in yield.

Also, you already know this now, and are probably kicking yourself in the ass...but save every liquid, sludge, and by-product you make until the extraction is complete and you are satisfied with the end yield.

Then try extracting from it again. dpWishy has a thread currently about this.

I separated the liquid from the crap at the bottom the next day.

Personally I always left it in there, seemed like too much of a pain in the ass to get out.

Now I did precisely what marsofolds tek stated about the lye. My lye doesn't have a brand name, it's a small white tub with a red lid that I got from ebay. Here's what it says on the label: Sodium Hydroxide (Caustic Soda Anhydrous, Lye) NaOH 99% Purity, Industrial/Technical grade, Pearl.

Seems fine. 99% purity might be more pure then the Roebic crystal or Red Devil that people use/used to use, respectively.

70g of this added to a US pint (UK is about 100g bigger) of warm water. I live in england but I presume marsofold is American. This then got added to the brown stuff in the gallon jar.

pH thing again. Don't want to beat a dead horse, but it will help if you know it. Also, normally when I would basify the acidic solution, the colour would change from that brownish red water to a dark, black, sinister looking oiley mess.

This is how I'd know the solution was basic enough, or nearing it...it would undergo a massive colour change, and would seem to be really oiley and less like water. Perhaps you did not basify enough.

For naptha I used zippo lighter fluid: http://www.saddler.co.uk/shop.html?cr=1077&pr=1028

I evaporated some and it left no residue. I added 250ml to the jar and this filled it to the top (meaning in total I had one full gallon/5L).

The one thing I have a concern about is that Zippo brand lighter fluid. The website you linked to says, "Replacement lighter fuel for your Zippo Lighter. Premium Zippo lighter fluid made in the USA. Naphtha based."

The whole naptha based thing sounds kind of scary, like possibly it is a combination of naptha and something else. I don't know anyone that has used this stuff specifically, but I do know that people bitch about solvents.

I've produced my finest crystalline product by using Ronsonol brand lighter fluid, and I have been told by so many people to not use it because it's dirty. It makes clean product that isn't harsh. I don't know about the zippo stuff.

I didn't leave it in warm water, I left it on the floor, and I couldn't shake it much because the lid was crap and it leaked :/

Four hours later I sucked up the clear layer and put it in the freezer. Two days later I learned that if it goes misty and doesn't crystallize to take it out, evaporate it down to about 60-80ml and put it back in the freezer. This is what I did. From this jar I got 0.10g or 100ml.

Sounds fine I guess. I've never had crystals not drop out of naptha when it is put in the freezer.

Next (following advice from someone on this forum, and afterabout three or four days of the jar sitting on the floor under a towel) I poured the brown contents of the almost full jar into another jar leaving me with two half full gallon jars. I then added 30g of lye to half a pint of cold water (because I forgot it was supposed to be warm) and added this to one of the jars, gave it a shake, added another 250ml of naptha except this time I used U-POL panel wipe, the fast evaporating kind, gave it another shake and plonked it in the sink for four hours in some hot water.

Did you notice when you added the extra lye, did the solution get any darker, or remain that same brown colour you had?

Also, I don't know what U-POL panel wipe is. Maybe not naptha?

After sucking out the clear layer I evaped it down and stuck it in the freezer. From this I got 0.11g or 110ml.

The last half full gallon jar I did exactly the same thing except that I added the lye to warm water, not cold and wrapped a towel round it's lid so I could give it a good shake. The naptha from this jar is still in the freezer but by looking at it is no different from the other two.

So, any glaringly obvious mistakes there? And thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

The other thing, I'm not in the UK, so I don't know that company that you ordered from. I don't know if the bark the sell is actually M. hostilis, or if it is bark of a superior quality. I don't know anything about suppliers in Europe of good bark, so I wouldn't be able to recommend any to use instead next time. Perhaps someone else does, and they can PM you the info.

I can say that Bouncing Bear, a sponsor here, has hands down the best bark I have ever used. I don't know if they ship overseas, but if they do, you should consider.

Likely the bark you got was fine, and it was more a problem of technique and supplies used, but if you change those and you still get a low yield, change suppliers. You can't extract something that isn't there.

Hope this was helpful dude.

[childofthetao]

Well, the liquid was always very dark, almost black, even before I added the extra lye. I'm definitely getting the ph right the next time.

The U-POL panel wipe was actually a recommendation from someone on this forum when I asked for naptha alternatives.

Thanks for your input.

Next time I'll try a different website, probably ebay for the bark.

Phlux, are you saying that is a good method of making the DMT smoke less harsh?

EDIT what is better, inner root bark or outer root bark?

[beardedlady]

I've never seen anything that shows any testing proving a difference, but I believe the general consensus is that inner root bark is better.

[Phlux-]

yeah

[childofthetao]

I've just been reading another dmt forum, and they say the best MHRB:LYE:H20 ration is 2g:1g:15L

So for 500g of bark which I used I should have used 250g of lye in 3.7 liters of water/vinegar. I only used a total of 130g of lye in 5L of water so this probably also contributed to my poor yield.

I'm learning

Thanks phlux I'll give it a try

[extrememetal43]

Man idk everything sounds reaonable what you did. nothing stands out as a flat out mistake.

one thing you did not mention is how cold your freezer is. It must be 0 degrees F if not colder, not sure of C conversion. if its not cold enough it will not freeze precipitate. to see if this was the problem you could have evaporated the rest of the naptha after freeze precipitation to see what was remaining in the naptha. If its not cold enough it would not have precipitated out. Check the temp of your freezer and let me kno. it should be able to freeze ice cream very hard if you dont have a thermometer.

Few other things, double check on your types of naptha. sounds like you did your work but those people that recomended them i always ask them well did you try it yourself or is it just hearsay or theory.

Ive read of people getting crappy yields from not heating their solution in a hot water bath. i myself dont need to but i remember a post a guy saying he got no yield until he did heated pulls. Technically, heated naptha can hold much more than room temp. some say it pulls more impurities but your not pulling anything so mite b worth a shot.

Mite not been enought lye, your basic solution should be jet black and bubbles on top from shaking should dissipate almost instantly. that 70 g's is enough to balance out the acid and base water but i dont think it acounts for the amount of acid in the bark. id overbasify! testing it helps.

Last thing it could of been bunk bark but 9/10 its some other problem. check the freezer temp!

[childofthetao]

I don't have a thermometer but after getting the dmt out of the naptha I evaporated it on a plate and there was very little dmt on there, practically nothing. Nice and white though. So is that a good indication that my freezer is cold enough?

[extrememetal43]

it doesnt indicate anything about the freezer but by evaping and getting nothing it says that thats not the problem.

[condo_pygmy]

Originally Posted by childofthetao

I've just been reading another dmt forum, and they say the best MHRB:LYE:H20 ration is 2g:1g:15L

So for 500g of bark which I used I should have used 250g of lye in 3.7 liters of water/vinegar. I only used a total of 130g of lye in 5L of water so this probably also contributed to my poor yield.

I'm learning

Thanks phlux I'll give it a try

childofthetao U may be getting the STB tek mixed up with the Mars tek, in Mars tek all U really need to do is add enough lye till the solution turns all BLACK like used motor oil. as for the STB tek it doesn't use any vinegar or acid of any type. But it uses way more Lye than Mars tek. (something like 4 times the amount of Lye)

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by condo_pygmy

childofthetao U may be getting the STB tek mixed up with the Mars tek, in Mars tek all U really need to do is add enough lye till the solution turns all BLACK like used motor oil. as for the STB tek it doesn't use any vinegar or acid of any type.

Interesting, it was always a very dark, almost black colour even before adding the lye, unless I'm remembering wrong :/

[uncleknuckles2000]

Originally Posted by lysergic

Are you smoking it on top of bud?
Seems like it would fall through the screen otherwise

No bud necessary. Just use four or five screens. Works very well.

[childofthetao]

Uncleknuckles, phlux, any chance you can explain how using multiple screens stops the smoke from being harsh? I ordered a couple of packs of them with my pipe so I'll definitely be trying but it just confuses that this would work :/

[beardedlady]

It will just keep the hot dmt oil from falling into your pipe. It's still smoking the oil.

[Chaos]

Originally Posted by condo_pygmy

A brine wash will make it smooth....
Also a bi-carb wash does wonders !!
(a sep funnel is a must)

Quote
[I think once u have removed any traces of crap from the first re-xal process, U can then do another re-xal to get real nice crystals. ]


So if a FOAF has removed all of the yellow goo with a few N-Heptane washes, will a bi-carb or any other wash make it any smoother?

[uncleknuckles2000]

Originally Posted by childofthetao

Uncleknuckles, phlux, any chance you can explain how using multiple screens stops the smoke from being harsh? I ordered a couple of packs of them with my pipe so I'll definitely be trying but it just confuses that this would work :/

Yeah. The multiple screens just keep the oil from melting through without the need for an ash or leaf bed. The vaporgenie itself, when used correctly, is very, very smooth. You'll get really substantial hits which taste like nothing but air, exhale nothing and think it's not working, until... tick tick tick BOOM! Hello, my mantid friends.

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by uncleknuckles2000

Yeah. The multiple screens just keep the oil from melting through without the need for an ash or leaf bed. The vaporgenie itself, when used correctly, is very, very smooth. You'll get really substantial hits which taste like nothing but air, exhale nothing and think it's not working, until... tick tick tick BOOM! Hello, my mantid friends.

Is that from multiple screens or the vaporgenie? Or both?

[childofthetao]

OK just to make sure so I don't waste what little dmt I have.

Put the mullein in the pipe, put the dmt on top of it, hold the flame over the dmt but not touching so that it melts into the herb. Once it's melted I lower the flame and burn the whole thing like smoking weed and inhale.

Should I use multiple screens with this or is that just for dmt on it's own.

Thanks

[extrememetal43]

infuse it...if you got the mullein. gota have ipa or bestine lyin around.

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by extrememetal43

infuse it...if you got the mullein. gota have ipa or bestine lyin around.

I don't have any if this is too harsh I'll definitely do that.

[extrememetal43]

good luck either way!

[shroomatt]

Im not sure this was addressed but do 1 more pull out of each jug but directly add lye to the mix and keep adding until the jug is hot. when its hot then add the 250ml naphtha and roll it around for like 15 mins
i just did this when i got only 1.7g for 300g of bark and got an extra 1.4g!!

andy told me about this and it works awsome!!

[Phlux-]

to make a screen for that pipe - take 1 of those circular pipe screens - roll it into a little ball carefully - then roll another one around that - keep doing this until uv used about 5 screens then press the pipe pillow in the centre a bit - to make a bed for the spice.

[reut]

Originally Posted by shroomatt

i just did this when i got only 1.7g for 300g of bark and got an extra 1.4g!!

andy told me about this and it works awsome!!

How do you know you wouldn't have pulled the 1.4 g if you'd carried on pulling normally?
How many pulls had you done for 1.7 g?
Sounds like a good trick, but heard that it only works effectively on a/b extractions

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by reut

Sounds like a good trick, but heard that it only works effectively on a/b extractions

If it works at all (which I am not doubting),
Why would it only work for an A/B?
The solution would already be basic when the extra lye was added.
Doesn't really make sense...

[reut]

Originally Posted by lysergic

If it works at all (which I am not doubting),
Why would it only work for an A/B?
The solution would already be basic when the extra lye was added.
Doesn't really make sense...

Eh? No it wouldn't. Not with a/b my friend..
It makes sense because you haven't already directly basified the bark, so any dmt you might of missed in the acid phase can be collected by simply doing an STB on the bark after A/B'ing it.
You don't basifiy the bark in an a/b.

For STB,
Rebasifying a basified mix is pointless and a waste of lye according to marsofold and Norman.

[Oblivion]

Before I make my first pull, can someone make sure I'm not missing anything.

1. Grind root
2. Add basic water
3. Add naptha
4. Separate naptha and evaporate

Is it that easy?

[Phlux-]

it is that easy but 1 thing that will make ur spice much better is - on step 4 - separate then evap down until it goes milky when u blow on it - then put it in a shotglass - cover the top and freeze it - xtals will fall out the naptha - far more smokable.

[reut]

That's fine.
Usually people add bark to the basic water, but it doesn't really matter.
Make sure you mix them all in well though.

[Oblivion]

Thanks

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by reut

Eh? No it wouldn't. Not with a/b my friend..
It makes sense because you haven't already directly basified the bark, so any dmt you might of missed in the acid phase can be collected by simply doing an STB on the bark after A/B'ing it.
You don't basifiy the bark in an a/b.

For STB,
Rebasifying a basified mix is pointless and a waste of lye according to marsofold and Norman.

Ah, I thought you were talking about the acid phase in the first place

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

an ammonia wash works wonders as a final step, turns off white STINKY harsh spice into off white no smell les harsh spice.

an infusion in a nut shell: take your spice, dissolve it in a minimum of hot 91% or 99% iso alc, should take about 15ml per gram if its hot enough, once its fully dissolved, soak up this liquid with the minimum amount of mullein, let it get bone dry, enjoy
2g dmt to 3g mullein is what i would shoot for.

I want to infuse some mullien with dmt. I have 70% iso alcohol so that's no good. The only solvent I have is naptha so can I use that?

[Shadowlord]

Originally Posted by extrememetal43

mullein blows everything away...nothing compares. dude take my advice infuse the mullein and tell me how it goes. i guarantee you will be blown away by the smoothness of the smoke and amazingness of the experience...thats an extreme guarantee!

mullein mite be hard to find locally but its like 4 bux online...worth 100 times that IMO.

if its harsh it was burned and not smoked proper.

Thanks for the tip Extreme.
I have been using a cheap plastic bong and it has worked O.K. but I have a screen under the chore. The screen plugs up and makes it hard to hit but plain chore allows too much through and makes it hard to load up enough so that I won't waste it but is still enough in there to take the multiple tokes it takes to really understand DMT or breakthrough.
I was going to grind up some herb really fine, but I have heard several people mention mullein or parsley as a smoking herb.
Is the mullein more or less flavorless or just an easy smoke on the lungs?
I feel that this may make my spice sessions even more profound and easier to get to that special place b/4 needing to try and reload. ( a real bitch when your halfway there already )

[childofthetao]

Well, when I smoked DMT sandwiched between two layers of mullein, I couldn't taste the DMT at ALL. Mullein has it's own taste but isn't really very noticable.

I smoke it it a pipe so there is still the matter of the smoke being hot, but as long as I don't go crazy fill my lungs completely it's no where near any kind of problem. (About a MILLION times better then smoking it through a vaporizer.)

I do have problems smoking it though, I can't get enough of the spice to burn. Me and my brother have to keep takings hits from the pipe as long as we are able to, until we can't hold the pipe anymore, but it's still not enough for a breakthough because there is still dmt in the pipe. You can't see it or taste it but it effects you if you go back and try another toke. This is why I want to infuse it with the mullein.

When I smoke it, it causes some strange perception changes. I can see MUCH more, as though I have suddenly been given my peripheral vision back. It has given me an interesting (if somewhat bleak) perspective on myself.

Imagine a star, a point of light eminating outwards. Now image a black cloud around that star blocking it's light. That black cloud is my body.

That point of light is consciousness in the center of our heads. My head and body are so full of tension and god knows what else that my star is weak and suffocating itself.

When I take a hit, I feel my entire body but mainly my head dissapear, and as it dissapears I gain much more of my vision. Like that cloud around the star dissapearin. The empty space becomes very clear and this is only from tiny amounts of spice, just enough to get the first effects. For me this physical freeing is the first effect.

The other day I put 100mg in the pipe (but probably smoked much much less then that.) My body began to fade as more of my surroundings (my brothers bedroom) came into view. My face dissapeared giving me my peripheral sight. My balance improves and I'm much quicker, a thought occurs and it has effortless physical effects. (I wan't to do something? Woah it's alrady done.) Normally it has shitloads of physical crap wade though.

I only took two tokes on the pipe but at a guess I would say I got like 20mg (this was before I realized it mostly stays in the pipe. I love these little ones though, that feeling is such a weight off my consciousness, with all the crippling problems I have they are fully cured in that state.

However at that particular time 20mg goes just a little bit further (10mg gives me a beautiful spiritual lift). When I close my eyes I see murky patterns. Like illuminated ink flowing through clear black water. Like soft bendy electricity.

When I opened my eyes everything looked like it was made of smoke with slight motion in it. I looked at my cat and saw his fur was animated, like his patterns were in flux, or flowing like a river. But here's the very strange thing and the part I didn't like, I kept looking at his face, looking for the cuteness, but it wasn't there, he was ugly, not disgusting but I percieved ugliness in place of the accustomed cuteness.

Also that night while I was going to sleep, some toughts crept into my head that made tears come to my eyes (in a sad/depressed kind of way). Since this happens rarely I assumed it was related to the DMT. I can't remember what the thoughts were however.

That's the most intense DMT trip I've experienced, for some reason the more I dissapear physically (at slighltly higher does the "freeing" becomes "numbing" and I lose awareness of my physicaly self) the scarier it gets.

I sometimes blow weed smoke towards my cat to get him stoned, you think it will work with dmt? Do cats have a pineal gland?

[childofthetao]

OK I just read somehwere on this sight that naptha can be used to infuse. So here's what I plan on doing. Take my last 160mg of DMT, pour it into a small jar, pour a little hot (or warm?) naptha in and swirl the jar. Still some DMT left? Add a little more naptha and continue until the spice is gone.

Then add 240mg of mullien to the jar and let the naptha evap.

Hopefully if that's wrong I'll get a reply letting me know while the naptha warms ups.

Thanks for the help.

[extrememetal43]

ur good man...dmt crystalizes nicely when naptha is evaporated. youl be good!

in my experience you need to heat naptha up a lil to get it to dissolve spice!

[childofthetao]

240mg of mullein wasn't enough to absorb all the naptha so I had to use more, quite a bit more. The results are mullein infused rather weakly with the dmt but this could work perfectly if I had more than 160mg of spice to begin with.

Next time everythings gonna be just right.

[extrememetal43]

ud of been good. the naptha would have reduced as it evaporated.

i found that a slight top layer of strait mullein helps protect some of the crystals from the lighter. i bet that shit will still kick your ass. so u never got the hang of smokin it i take it? just puff the dose till its gone. hold it in!

im bout to do the same thing with bestine, goin campin this weekend. i probably wont even have the balls to hit it this weekend but need the head stash lol!

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by extrememetal43

ud of been good. the naptha would have reduced as it evaporated.

i found that a slight top layer of strait mullein helps protect some of the crystals from the lighter. i bet that shit will still kick your ass. so u never got the hang of smokin it i take it? just puff the dose till its gone. hold it in!

im bout to do the same thing with bestine, goin campin this weekend. i probably wont even have the balls to hit it this weekend but need the head stash lol!

Wouldn't dmt be left onthe bottom of the jar in between the bits of mullein, if I did that? I assume so thats the reason i added more, but if what you say is true then thats good.

I'm going to have to wait to try some, my brother got high as hell and broke the pipe. He smoked loads of the infused mullein, like 15+ hits, I really did used too much mullein. I'm thinking of getting my water bong from my dads and using that, it can hold much more than that little pipe.

You think a dmt infused mullein joint would work? Or be a waste?

[extrememetal43]

when i first started smokin infused leaf i would put it in the center of a blunt joint. sometimes it got me other times it just didnt burn right.

sounds like u did use way too much. still gota be careful with the lighter regardless how u smoke it.

im not sure what your saying would the mullein not even cover the bottom of the jar...in that case use sumthin with a smaller bottom. but ya if u use too much solvent it will evaporate man.

can i assume you started with a small bit of naptha and couldnt get it to dissolve so you kept adding it til it did. its hard to get dmt to dissolve in naptha without heat, heat it to 130 F or so and it melts real quik.

[Phlux-]

using acetone to infuse seems to work better than naptha - it evaps fast so if u use too much - just use half to infuze - evap a bit then add more until its all on ur bud.

[extrememetal43]

i said it b4 and il say it again. altho other solvents works (ipa, acetone, naptha etc) bestine blows everything away. ive smoked acetone infused herb and it was a sub par performance, same w ipa. use bestine! i actually would think naptha would b better than acetone or ipa bc of spices ability to crystalize nicely when naptha evaps.

But hey, go ahead and use cheap imitations, idc. i mean i kno bestine rocks the fuck out of infusion spice so il just keep getting rocked. ive smoked the others and it aint the same! i mean if u want the best...u got to use the best. u wouldnt substitute the dmt would u. u want the best...use the best!

[Golden Teacher]

I go with a STB tek. I don't smoke cigarettes or weed. I place my yellow uncleaned spice on top of parsley. I load between 50mgs to 100mgs. I hold the lighter about an inch away from the spice, which is on top of the parsley. I pull slowly and watch all my happy spice become infused into the parsley.

Then I proceed to smoke the deemz like it were a bowl of herb. I take as many hits as I can until I realize that I can't hold the pipe anymore(usually 4-5 hits). I don't find the smoke harsh at all. It tastes strange but is not umbearable. After you break through a few times, I feel like I tend to enjoy the taste and the rising of my heart beat. EGO LOSS is what breaking through is all about. You can't be worried about letting go of EVERYTHING and you must let the spice take you where it wants to take you. Almost every trip is different yet similar. Closing your eyes is important to me. It eases the transition from your normal reality to the reality of the spice world.

Good luck with your future spice explorations. Imo, you need to let go of the harshness thoughts and just smoke it. After two or three hits you wont be thinking about how harsh you thought the smoke was. Shit man, most of the time I feel like I forget to breath and i've been doing it 2 or 3 times a week.

Mushrooms dont taste good, mescaline tea doesn't taste good, and DMT the Holy Grail doesn't taste like candy either. I hope that i'm not coming off as and asshole. I just think you might be overthinking this. Just smoke that shit till you can't smoke it and your good to go. Surely i'm not the only one who doesn't think it's harsh, shit I don't even wash my STB extracts?

Have fun man and just let go. You bought the ticket take the ride.



GT

[steeq]

Originally Posted by Golden Teacher

Mushrooms dont taste good, mescaline tea doesn't taste good, and DMT the Holy Grail doesn't taste like candy either. I hope that i'm not coming off as and asshole. I just think you might be overthinking this. Just smoke that shit till you can't smoke it and your good to go. Am I the only one who doesn't think it's harsh, shit I don't even wash my STB extracts?

Have fun man and just let go. You bought the ticket take the ride.
GT

I use the same method except I use weed instead of parsley. After reading about all of the different experiences I thought it would be hard to smoke it correctly or taste horrible but I'm with you. Using the above mentioned method I don't find the taste horrible at all and I can always get good hits. Layer of weed, sprinkle the DMT on top then a small layer on top of that in my water pipe and I'm good to go. I do smoke cigarettes though, so maybe that helps. G'luck brother

[probability field]

hey, thanks to condo_pygmy for keepin' it real...
stop spreading misinformation the rest of y'alls.

if your dmt is harsh and ur a newbee, maybe it's caused of the lye in it. you could remove all the lye from your nonpolar by drying it over MgSO4 for 30 minutes or so. you can do this while your naptha is still warm. then filter it through a cotton ball in a funnel. and freezer precip.

trust me, your spice will be way smoother without having to do an ammonia wash. i like to grow my crystals Big and Hard, and lye will get trapped inside them which cannot be washed away with a slurry. i don't know why marsofold didn't put epsom salts in his tek back in the day. maybe cause he's a stubborn old hack. my tek is better than his.

those 2:1 numbers are alright, but i think you might want 15 milliliters instead of 15 liters kid.

merry twistmas.

[SilvrHairDevil]

I was just doing some casual reading and came across this thread.

I don't know how critical it is, but 5 liters does not make a gallon in any country.