Advice+tips for making DMT more smokable

[childofthetao]

Hi, I want to ask for everyone's advice on how to make DMT less harsh to smoke through a vaporizer.

I understand parsley is good? Will that burn in a vaporizer?

Recrystallizing so it turns pure white will make it less harsh as well?

I don't mind the earwax taste, but it stings and burns the chest a little and my brother finds it practically unsmokeable.

Thanks

[whatchamacallit]

Recrystallizing and/or a polar wash can greatly reduce it's harshness, but parsley will not vaporize, it's better to smoke the parsley infused with the DMT, either by melting the DMT with a light flame into the herb or by dissolving the DMT in a solvent and saturating the parsley or whatever with it, then letting it dry. Vaporizing is usually harsher since the vapor is hot and the pipes usually short, so the hot vapor can slightly burn.. If one choose to smoke the herb infused with DMT then just go easy on the flame, just enough to get it lit and take a few large hits to break on through to the other side..

[108]

How is the DMT being extracted? What TEK are you using? What materials are you starting with?

The better your extraction is the easier the smoke will be.

[condo_pygmy]

A brine wash will make it smooth....
Also a bi-carb wash does wonders !!
(a sep funnel is a must)

[extrememetal43]

dmt infused herb...lace some mullein with dmt and you will alleviate all smoking difficulties.

[childofthetao]

I used marsofolds tek.

I know how to recrystallize but what is a polar extraction? Can you tell me how to do it?

Also can you tell me how to infuse with parsley?

What specifically is a brine wash and a bi-carb wash?? I'm new to this can you tell me how to do it please.

Thanks

[usagolden]

can you stick just dmt in a vaporizor and be sucessful?

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by usagolden

can you stick just dmt in a vaporizor and be sucessful?

Yeah but its harsh as hell.

[condo_pygmy]

Originally Posted by childofthetao

I used marsofolds tek.
What specifically is a brine wash and a bi-carb wash?? I'm new to this can you tell me how to do it please.
Thanks

A brine wash is a saturated salt wash. As for the bi-carb wash, U use a sep funnel, take a 50ml nip bottle and add a pinch of baking soda or washing soda. shake it up to mix then add 1/10 the ratio to your solution. So if U were using a 250ml sep funnel U would use 25ml of the wash. Shake good, it seperates instantly, then drain the water wash > being on the bottom. repeat with straight distilled water (dH2O).

PS: U can also use Ammonia in the sep funnel

[re-aminator]

What color is the spice? In SWIMs experience, Marsofolds TEK produces a beautiful white crystalline product that was not harsh one bit. SWIM smokes cigarettes though so his lungs and throat may be less sensitve than others who don't smoke.

[childofthetao]

Saturated salt wash? So salt water? So put the DMT on a coffee filter and wash it with salt water like SWIM did with the ammonia? Assuming I understand correctly what salt/water ratio should be used?

The DMT is pale yellow, almost white but not quite.

[condo_pygmy]

U'll loose product if U do it that way, U'd be better off just doing the Ammonia wash the way it's written in Mars tek.

PS: Here's info on the types of polar washes:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/dmt-spic...olar-wash.html (DMT extraction update(more info on polar wash)...)

[childofthetao]

Thanks for all the input guys.

I think my best bet is to get some mullien and a bong. Is there anything besides mullien I can use? How does it compare to parsley? The reason I ask is because parsley is easier for me to get.

[extrememetal43]

mullein blows everything away...nothing compares. dude take my advice infuse the mullein and tell me how it goes. i guarantee you will be blown away by the smoothness of the smoke and amazingness of the experience...thats an extreme guarantee!

mullein mite be hard to find locally but its like 4 bux online...worth 100 times that IMO.

if its harsh it was burned and not smoked proper.

[childofthetao]

Infuse? I take it that's more complicated then sprinkling the DMT onto the mullien?

[whatchamacallit]

If one places DMT on an herb and then takes a pull on the pipe, holding the flame just far away enough as to not touch it, the DMT will melt into the herb, and bam, it's infused! Dissolving it in a little NP solvent and soaking your herb with it, is another way, but one has to wait for that to dry completely.

[childofthetao]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wild-Harvested...QQcmdZViewItem

Is this the right kind of mullein?

[extrememetal43]

Originally Posted by childofthetao

Infuse? I take it that's more complicated then sprinkling the DMT onto the mullien?

ya you need to dissolve the dmt into a solvent and then put your herb in it to absorb the saturated solution...then evaporate the solvent leaving laced herb. 2 parts spice to 3 parts herb. i recomend bestine but others have used ipa and grain alcohol with success.

your link is weird, its not opening for me. search mullein, somes even for smoking. the kind i got was for tea and had all kinds of sticks i sifteed thru...maybe make sure its not powder, shake is fine

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by extrememetal43

your link is weird, its not opening for me.

go to ebay.co.uk and search item # 250338118537

I'll try putting dmt on the mullein in a bong like whatchamacallit says, if that is still too harsh ill do the solvent thing like you say.

BTW what's a solvent? Naptha?

[extrememetal43]

Originally Posted by childofthetao

go to ebay.co.uk and search item # 250338118537

I'll try putting dmt on the mullein in a bong like whatchamacallit says, if that is still too harsh ill do the solvent thing like you say.

BTW what's a solvent? Naptha?

basically anything that will dissolve something. examples are naptha, xylene, water, bestine etc. Now for whatever you have in this case dmt its soluble in certain solvents and insoluble in others. dmt is insoluble for the most part in basic water and very soluble in acidic. thus the basis of a/b extractions. dmt is soluble in IPA, acetone, naptha, xylene, toulene, DCM etc. there are others its insoluble in. Solubilities also change based on temp, acidity/basic etc many factors.

[beardedlady]

I've tried a lot of different ways of smoking, but LemonPepper made this water pipe out of a mason jar and some other things...and it was amazing. And this was dirtier DMT then I have smoked before.

After taking a hit off of the pipe, I couldn't even tell I had inhaled smoke...and then I got kicked in the face by the DMT.

From now on, it's DMT filtered through water for me. When your lungs aren't irritated, and you don't have a weird taste in your mouth...you are able to enjoy your trip a lot more.

For me, regardless of how intense the trip is, if there is something in the real world bothering me, it comes through into my spiceworld, and makes it that less real.

[extrememetal43]

sandwiching spice between herb is not the same as infusing herb in no way, if your just gonna do that any plain herb will do. I told you what i would do...you will not regret it! to each their own, just cuz i couldnt figure out how to base it dont mean others cant..it is nice to just throw it in a pipe and light it up...no special smoking technique whatsoever.

[shroomatt]

Foaf uses a water bong and some oregano on top with ash layer below. when the oregano is lit it makes the dizmiz melt into the ash and then vap. works well!!

[uncleknuckles2000]

The Vaporgenie is VERY smooth if you use it right. You can hardly even tell you are inhaling anything but air, and there's no big plume of smoke when you exhale.

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by uncleknuckles2000

The Vaporgenie is VERY smooth if you use it right. You can hardly even tell you are inhaling anything but air, and there's no big plume of smoke when you exhale.

Are you smoking it on top of bud?
Seems like it would fall through the screen otherwise

[Phlux-]

the correct pipe makes it a nice experience - iv heard horrible stories of various pipes and it seems the lightbulb way or anything that resembles it is the worst.
find a nice pipe and ur problems will be solved.

[childofthetao]

http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online...ProductID=4355

http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online...ProductID=3735

http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online...ProductID=1394

Are these water pipes good for dmt?

or what about this? http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online...ProductID=6574

Some say it can't be cooled though as that will cause the dmt to condense? Is that true?

Now this looks like the DMT pipe pics I've seen on this site, is this any good? http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online...ProductID=6293

[reut]

I've read about slightly heating spice into powdered weed, then putting that into the freezer for an hour an vaporizing that.
Is this a good method for a smoother and less intense trip?
what quantity of spice to weed?
thanks all

[childofthetao]

http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/Large_Glass_Steam_Roller_PIpe.cfm?iProductID=4686

I ordered this one instead, hope it works well with some mullein.

Ill let you know.

So let me make sure I have this right, put some mullein in the pipe bowl, put the dmt on top of it and melt it.

Will this be sufficient to burn the mullein as well?

[AndyLandy420]

an ammonia wash works wonders as a final step, turns off white STINKY harsh spice into off white no smell les harsh spice.

an infusion in a nut shell: take your spice, dissolve it in a minimum of hot 91% or 99% iso alc, should take about 15ml per gram if its hot enough, once its fully dissolved, soak up this liquid with the minimum amount of mullein, let it get bone dry, enjoy
2g dmt to 3g mullein is what i would shoot for.

[beardedlady]

You can always put choreboy in the pipe instead of the ash/herbs. Thats the metal scour pads put inside stems to smoke crack. It catches oils very well.

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by beardedlady

You can always put choreboy in the pipe instead of the ash/herbs. Thats the metal scour pads put inside stems to smoke crack. It catches oils very well.

I've been wondering about this for a while now

[extrememetal43]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

an ammonia wash works wonders as a final step, turns off white STINKY harsh spice into off white no smell les harsh spice.

an infusion in a nut shell: take your spice, dissolve it in a minimum of hot 91% or 99% iso alc, should take about 15ml per gram if its hot enough, once its fully dissolved, soak up this liquid with the minimum amount of mullein, let it get bone dry, enjoy
2g dmt to 3g mullein is what i would shoot for.

Andy whats your opinion on infused leaf compared to basing the stuff? Because i will never go back to trying to base it...infused all the way.

[beardedlady]

Originally Posted by lysergic

I've been wondering about this for a while now

Yeah man, it works well. I used to smoke only out of a base pipe, just because it's the only thing that worked really well.

But a bong type device that filters through water, the bowl stuffed with a little ash in the bottom and then some chore on top...works wonderfully.

I'll never smoke any other way now.

[seedlessstinky1]

Originally Posted by beardedlady

You can always put choreboy in the pipe instead of the ash/herbs. Thats the metal scour pads put inside stems to smoke crack. It catches oils very well.

Always figured this would work it does wonders with crack.

[childofthetao]

OK before I recrystallize I want to make sure I know how to do it because I have no idea how I know this so I don't really trust it

Dissolve the dmt in hot naptha. There will be a blob of yellow stuff in there, get rid of it then put the naptha back in the freezer for 3 days after evaporating it down.

EDIT before dissolving the dmt in hot naptha should i do an ammonia wash or skip it? And I assume that either way I should do an ammonia wash after the dmt has re crystallized?

That right?

[condo_pygmy]

Originally Posted by childofthetao

OK before I recrystallize I want to make sure I know how to do it because I have no idea how I know this so I don't really trust it

Dissolve the dmt in hot naptha. There will be a blob of yellow stuff in there, get rid of it then put the naptha back in the freezer for 3 days after evaporating it down.

EDIT before dissolving the dmt in hot naptha should i do an ammonia wash or skip it? And I assume that either way I should do an ammonia wash after the dmt has re crystallized?
That right?

No U don't need to do an Ammonia wash B4 or after recrystallization, what U want to do is use a tall thin shot glass (or a test tube) now using very little naptha, just enough to get the spice dissolved, U slowly twirl the glass around till U see an orange blob, keeping the glass HOT, U slowly pour off the naptha into a small glass vial, be careful not to let the blob get in, then add a bit more naptha to the shot glass and twirl again, do the same thing till the blob turns into just a bit of crap left in the bottom of shot glass. Take your collected goodies and put into frig for an hr, then the freezer for a few hrs to recrystallize.

Here's an illustrated link on recrystallization:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/157865-post18.html

[AndyLandy420]

bestine would work better for recrystal, the idea isnt to remove the blob, or pour away the good and try to leave the bads, you to dissolve it ALL even the yellow, and then it cool slowly, this should encourage a nice line of seperation between glass and ass.

[condo_pygmy]

I think once u have removed any traces of crap from the first re-xal process, U can then do another re-xal to get real nice crystals.

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by condo_pygmy

I think once u have removed any traces of crap from the first re-xal process, U can then do another re-xal to get real nice crystals.

Can anyone comment on this? If it's true I'll do it.

My first extraction was pretty pathetic :/ Just over 300mg from 500g mhrb

[M&M420]

whoa dude you did something wrong.You didn't throw the mix away yet did you?Besides there is no need to recrystallize such a small amount of spice.

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by meanman420

whoa dude you did something wrong.You didn't throw the mix away yet did you?Besides there is no need to recrystallize such a small amount of spice.

I'm afraid I did throw it away

This bit that I have is very harsh, I would like it to be as easy on the chest as possible.

The only thing I can think I did wrong was use one gallon of water/vinger and 500g of bark. The tek (marsofold) says to use 1 pound (about 456g) and he doesn't mention how much water vineger solution to actually use.

[M&M420]

well then just do an infusion and forget the washes or recrystallization until to have more to work with.The infusion will help a little but dmt is harsh by nature.Just keep hitting it hard and soon you'll forget all about the harshness.It's not like your going to be casually puffing on it for long periods of time

[childofthetao]

I will do that thanks.

I already smoked 100mg so I assume recrystallizing with roughly 200mg is a big no-no? I assume that's because some of it is lost in the process?

The next time I do an extraction I'm going to make a thread and write out what I plan on doing step by step before I actually do it so you pros can tell me if I am about to make a mistake.

[extrememetal43]

well something went wrong thats a horrible yield...go thru your process we'll figure what happened. go thru everything what you used, brand names etc....amounts.

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by condo_pygmy

I think once u have removed any traces of crap from the first re-xal process, U can then do another re-xal to get real nice crystals.

i find if heptane is used for the recrystal and the 'cooling' rate is good then you can go from virtually any type of spice to perfectionnnn glass in one recrystal, as long as the spice you start with isnt red orange chunky peanut butter style than it should come out with a distinct line of seperation. i have only ever had to repeat a recrstal if the cooling didnt happen at the right speed, 9 times out of 10 (for me at least) 1 heptane recrystal yields pearly white clear sparkly broken glass spice.

oh and i would not bother trying to recrystalize 300mg, its easy to get 300mg just stuck on the wall of the beaker, go with infusion or smoking through a bubbler/bong

[beardedlady]

I'd say for your extractions in the future, you can use the recipes in the tek for how much acid to put in water for x amount of bark, how much sodium hydroxide...but always check the pH of everything a little while after you add it to the bark.

I've had sometimes where following the Marsofold tek, after I mix my acid into water, and add it to the bark...the pH is 2 or 3. Other times, same recipe, same amount of bark...and the pH might be at 5. You should always double check, because if it is off, it will mess with your yields.

I use a digital pH meter for all my pH testing needs. I think it cost around $100, and then I had to get calibration fluid for it. You could always just pick up test strips though, as long as they are wide range.

As far as recrystallization, I've always just used naptha. My avatar is a picture of DMT crystals that I produced from yellow DMT. I did exactly what condo_pygmy recommended, except to form the crystals I cooled the clean naptha solution very slowly, over the course of (I think) three days.

I agree with Andy, don't worry about trying to clean that 300mg, you'll just lose a lot. Take a water pipe, put an amount of ash in the bottom of the bowl, and then take a chunk of clean chore boy (scour pad) and fill the bowl the rest of the way.

Add DMT to the top of that, heat it a little and pull in so it melts into the chore. Let it cool for a second, and then hit it like you would a bong.

It doesn't seem to burn at all, just vaporize very quickly into a large amount of smoke...that you can't feel at all. This honestly is the best way I have found to smoke it, and I have tried everything.

I smoke cigarettes and crack on occasion, and smoking it this way is less harsh than either of those. To the point that you don't notice at all the smoke going into your lungs.

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by extrememetal43

Andy whats your opinion on infused leaf compared to basing the stuff? Because i will never go back to trying to base it...infused all the way.

sorry didnt notice this til now

well a nice long stemmed base pipe will always hold a special place in my heart, i really was only bothered by the harshness of spice the first time i smoked it, these days i very verrry rarely cough even with 30mg in one puff being common place, besides i have fallen in love with the whole ritual, the rockin... the rollin... my compadre sparkin the matches for me as i go... tis poetry

but rituals and whatnot aside, for the easily bothered or novice smoker infused mullein through a bong vs. basepipe, mullein by a lonnngshot, like you can hardly tell your smoking DMT (if at all) even when your taking gargantuan hits that can seriously knock you on your ass one puff.
case and point: mullein looks like ganja, i allowed my brother to run his coarse and smoke this 'ganja', i did not insist or lead him to smoke it but i didnt stop him or inform of the true nature of the substance he was about to bong rip either. one bong rip later, he slowly exhales, puts the bong down, looks around absolutely dumbfounded, he is quickly blasted back into his chair where is totally unable to speak (despite trying) for 10 solid minutes, he had no clue he had smoked dmt til well after he exhaled, he couldnt even taste it, the immensely powerfull trip was his only indicator. thats a good sign, if you can take a one hitter quitter and not even taste it. i also want to add i would never EVER let anyone smoke dmt without their knowledge except my brother, i literally have permission to inject this man with a full strassman dose (.4mg/kg dmt fumarate) in his sleep if the opportunity should present itself, thats right, his permission, in his SLEEP!! so thats why i allowed him to smoke it and im glad i did, not as glad as he was tho.

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by beardedlady

I smoke cigarettes and crack on occasion

OMFG!! LOL!!
i am sittin here all sleepy readin over this post, the sheer bluntness of this statment almost made me shit my pants in uproarious laughter, bravo... bravo

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by extrememetal43

well something went wrong that's a horrible yield...go thru your process we'll figure what happened. go thru everything what you used, brand names etc....amounts.

OK, I never tested any PH because my PH papers STILL haven't arrived so that may also have been a problem.

OK first of all we ripped up 500g MHRB that I got from spiritgarden.co.uk. Then grinded into almost powder ina blender. There was still some stringy parts left that wouldn't blend.

Then I mixed 1.25L of white vinegar with 3.75L of water giving me a gallon.

I put the root bark powder into my crockpot and poured a quarter of the water/vinegar into it, turned it on high and left it for two hours. Once done I poured it into a gallon jar, this I repeated except for the last quarter of the vinegar solution. It was late so I poured it into the crockpot, turned it off, and left it all night (I probably should have left it on), anyway the next day I turned it on for two hours, then poured it into the rest of brown stuff in the gallon jar.
I then squeezed all remaining juice out of the bark sludge and threw it away.

I separated the liquid from the crap at the bottom the next day.

Now I did precisely what marsofolds tek stated about the lye. My lye doesn't have a brand name, it's a small white tub with a red lid that I got from ebay. Here's what it says on the label: Sodium Hydroxide (Caustic Soda Anhydrous, Lye) NaOH 99% Purity, Industrial/Technical grade, Pearl.

70g of this added to a US pint (UK is about 100g bigger) of warm water. I live in england but I presume marsofold is American. This then got added to the brown stuff in the gallon jar.

For naptha I used zippo lighter fluid: http://www.saddler.co.uk/shop.html?cr=1077&pr=1028

I evaporated some and it left no residue. I added 250ml to the jar and this filled it to the top (meaning in total I had one full gallon/5L).

I didn't leave it in warm water, I left it on the floor, and I couldn't shake it much because the lid was crap and it leaked :/

Four hours later I sucked up the clear layer and put it in the freezer. Two days later I learned that if it goes misty and doesn't crystallize to take it out, evaporate it down to about 60-80ml and put it back in the freezer. This is what I did. From this jar I got 0.10g or 100ml.

Next (following advice from someone on this forum, and afterabout three or four days of the jar sitting on the floor under a towel) I poured the brown contents of the almost full jar into another jar leaving me with two half full gallon jars. I then added 30g of lye to half a pint of cold water (because I forgot it was supposed to be warm) and added this to one of the jars, gave it a shake, added another 250ml of naptha except this time I used U-POL panel wipe, the fast evaporating kind, gave it another shake and plonked it in the sink for four hours in some hot water.

After sucking out the clear layer I evaped it down and stuck it in the freezer. From this I got 0.11g or 110ml.

The last half full gallon jar I did exactly the same thing except that I added the lye to warm water, not cold and wrapped a towel round it's lid so I could give it a good shake. The naptha from this jar is still in the freezer but by looking at it is no different from the other two.

So, any glaringly obvious mistakes there? And thanks for the help, I appreciate it.