Morning Glory cold water extraction questions

[reut]

Hi all,
I was just looking to get some answers to these questions I have about the cwe extraction method.

On step 14 in tregar's write up (http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanica...lustrated.html (Cold Water MG extraction illustrated)) he says to put it into the fridge.
Why is that?

Would just washing MG seeds with soapy distilled water, then rinsing with distilled water suffice for seeds that might have been treated?

Is the vasoconstriction something to be worried about? any reports of serious damage? death?
Is there anything you can do to help prevent it?
Or is there something you can do that can cause vasodilation?

Is the CWE product supposed to be more potent than if you had simply just chewed and swallowed the same quantity of seeds?
I would be willing to try a small amount to see how the nausea affects me before trying a ingesting a large dose.

think that's all for now. thanks

[Frequency]

Originally Posted by reut

Would just washing MG seeds with soapy distilled water, then rinsing with distilled water suffice for seeds that might have been treated?

Not necessarily, however why use MG seeds in the first place? A couple hundred seeds vs a half dozen of HBW seeds... Plus they taste better!

Originally Posted by reut

Is the vasoconstriction something to be worried about? any reports of serious damage? death?

Yes, however this is only in cases of severe overdose. Start slow and work your way up. If you start to feel uncomfortable after increasing a dose, you've found your plateau.

Originally Posted by reut

Is the CWE product supposed to be more potent than if you had simply just chewed and swallowed the same quantity of seeds?

A CWE will help you isolate more of the active alkaloids, but chewing the seeds for an extended period of time does about the same thing. LSA is bioavailable sublingually. Chew well, swill your saliva for 30 minutes, then spit out seeds. No nausea and have a nice trip!

[steeq]

That is good advice above. I agree about the HBWR, but I've never tried MG.

One reason for the fridge is because lsa is unstable. You want to keep it away from light and heat. The CWE just gets the good stuff out but you will lose some LSA. You want to use slightly more seeds when doing a CWE than when you would eat them.

For CWE, just grind the seeds with a coffee grinder to a powder. You don't want the grinder to heat up too much so I like to grind 5 seconds then stop 10 or so. Once they are powdered throw them in some distilled water (tap water varies too much) shake vigorusly then about 30 minutes to an hour later filter and drink. Shaking while waiting would be good too. There is no need to soak longer than an hour IME. You can wrap tin foil around the container to prevent light from hurting the LSA.

LSA is great, but good seeds are important.

Good luck

[Norman]

This is the best LSA extraction that I've come across.
For best results, I'd convert it to LSH before ingesting.

I am not going to go through all of the steps in detail as they are the same as described on erowid and the gigantor lsa thread for solid extract.

-Grind the seeds into a very fine powder using a coffee grinder preferably. Don't run the grinder for too long at a time (~10 seconds per grinding).

-Wash with naptha 1-3 times. Ideally the last naptha wash should be noticably less tan-milky looking. 3 is a good number.

-Dry seed powder thoroughly after last wash. Be sure to scrape the tan gunk off of the filter and add back to the total seed mush to be dried.

-Use 90%+ Ethly Alcohol to cover the seed powder in a jar. 2/1 EA/SP.

-Let set for 3 days in a cool (<40 C) dark place shaking intermittedley.

-Fliter using a coffee filter.

-Cover the seed gunk with Ethly Alcohol in the same jar. 1/1 EA/SP.

-Let set for 3 hours.

-Filter using coffee filter.

-Repeat last 3 steps again. You can do this as many times as you like. When the Ethly Alcohol is light yellow instead of the yellowish/greenish color most of the Alks are out.

-Add some naptha, it doesn't take much. Add a little shake really good and let sit; once the solution no longer has any milkyness to it you have used enough.

-Add some food color (just a drop or 2).

-Now you might be thinking to separate the layers, fat chance. You cannot see any difference between the Naptha and Ethly Alcohol unless you hold it up to a fairly bright light which will destroy much of the product and is completely unnessasary.

-Pour the solution into a glass dish and cover with foil to prevent contact with light and air as much as possible with using a sealed container wich would prevent evaporation.

-When dry you will notice a bunch of crystalline looking material that is the same color as the food color and a lot of little yellow dots that aren't dry.

-Use a Q-tip to soak up all those little dots. Most of the good stuff is solid and will not be picked up. Also don't wait too long before doing this because those yellow dots will dry out to a goo that the Q-tips would be hard pressed to remove.

-Scrape up the crystalline material and throw it away, because it is an illegal analog to LSD, and we wouldn't want to break the law!

NOTES: If you choose not to use food color you will end up with an off-white crystalline powder, but you will NOT be able to see the goo and therefore cannot know if you have indead removed it. The naptha is required because the yellow dots will instead be a yellow good that is all through the good stuff and unremovable resulting in a goo and not the pretty crystals. If you choose not to remove the yellow dots prior to scraping you are sol as you will only be able to have a goo. Methly Alcohol would actually work better than Ethly Alcohol as it evaporates quicker, just make sure that it is pure (evaporates cleanly). Good luck.