Natural Spice

[cap]

magician.

[Phlux-]

jungle cant be pulled with naptha - noxide can and tints the spice yellow.
xylene never fully evaps even with repeated meltings and rextalizings its been shown to still be present.
d-limonene is basically like xylene in what it can disolve.
for the final step use acetone for re-xtallization as the d-limonene lingers, this way your final product will not contain d-limonene or xylene.

[cap]

aint no way id use xylene then waste all the hassle and fumes etc of xylene just to wash with acetone at the end would xylene pull more n,n then, say, naphtha??? thanks

[Phlux-]

xylene would pull more spice and it would require less pulls
if you get fumarates to form there is no evaportaing of xylene.

[whatchamacallit]

Just curious as to where your proof is that "jungle" cannot be pulled with naphtha, since there are several petroleum distillates in naphtha, all of which have different solubilities for various alkaloids, and is the reason one needs to use heptane to be very selective for pure n,n-DMT. SWIM enjoys the new teks, but doesn't understand how so many kitchen chemists are so sure about what is what, when just last year, no one even had any idea what was even different about "jungle DMT".

Also, when SWIM's friends have tried the "jungle DMT" from xylene compared to the yellow/orange DMT+, supposedly not "jungle" they reported very little if any difference in potency and experience. So SWIM is curious where one gets the "facts" presented that the other alkaloids cannot be pulled with naphtha? Not saying you're wrong, but just wondering where the two samples are compared by scientific analysis, rather then just anecdotal evidence. If one has any real evidence, perhaps a GC/MS analysis of the alkaloids, please post it here. Thanks a bunch!

SWIM believes that it's true that xylene and toluene may be able to pull more of every alkaloid from MHRB, being that most alkaloids are more soluble in the stronger solvents, but is unconvinced that these alkaloids are only soluble in xylene or toluene.

[Phlux-]

well - swims tried jungle pulled with xylene and doesnt care for it - the heavier naptha's do pull more than just spice but not as much as xylene - spice is only partially soluble in naptha so its not the best solvent, many more pulls are required when using it compared to using dlimonene - dlimonene seems to pull the most, it is totally full spectrum, the effects are very different and i guess the only way to know what i mean is to tell swim to try it - after that : no explanation is neccicary.

What exactly jungle is is currently unknown - imo its just a mix of various partially active/active/inactive substances that alter the experience A LOT, the only jungle portion swim likes is the dlimo pulled jungle and before that was the yellower spice pulled with the heavier naptha.

spice is way more soluble in d-limonene than naptha so less pulls are required
d-limonene never causes an emulsion and separates fast
d-limonene smells delicious and makes up around 6% of the average citrus fruit by weight

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by Phlux-

jungle cant be pulled with naptha - noxide can and tints the spice yellow.

That's what I was thinking...

As for Xylene, I can't stand the smell, and it takes forever to evaporate.
I would use Toluene instead. It has similar properties to xylene, reeks less, and evaporates faster.


Here is a thread that examines the different alkaloids in MHRB, complete with GCMS results.
It should help clear up any discrepancies about what is what

http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanica...root-bark.html

[johnnydigital]

Me likes bestine.... although, naphtha works ok for my needs as well. I fine bestine extracts way more than naphtha, so less pulls are needed.

Is it pretty much settled that yellow is stronger than white? Me pulls yellow all day long with ease, STB is the best Spice tek out there for the lazy, hobbled chemist IMHO.

[catdaddy]

Originally Posted by johnnydigital

Me likes bestine.... although, naphtha works ok for my needs as well. I fine bestine extracts way more than naphtha, so less pulls are needed.

Is it pretty much settled that yellow is stronger than white? Me pulls yellow all day long with ease, STB is the best Spice tek out there for the lazy, hobbled chemist IMHO.

So you basify and go straight to heptane pulls? That's what Bestine is, right?

I'm about to start my first STB- thought I'd do Naptha, then Xylene to see see if I can get Jungle from STB, then heptane if needed on the yellow to lighten it up...

[Shadowlord]

I have wondered what my pulls would yield if I did a Bestine/Heptane pull.
I may try it when I get a gallon can of Bestine. ( have to order it, I can only find it in tiny cans in local shops )
But so far, I have used Bestine only in ReXing waxy/dark yellow spice.

CatDaddy, stick to the basic STB the first time out. It is trying different methods w/o mastering the basics that has caused some minor problems.
Everything still came out O.K. but it is easier if one keeps it simple first time out.

Best of Luck w/ your first STB. I hope you get a nice pile of spice to use.
I have taken forever to get to this point but am glad I did not give up on the elf spice as there is nothing that compares to the power of DMT.
I've tripped a lot but never like the stuff I have seen on DMT

[catdaddy]

Thanks, Shadow- I thoroughly intend to do straight naptha pulls first, and clean up with heptane if necessary to remove any waxy yellow..

Wait a week and pull again...

But then I thought, why stop there? One last attempt on the same goo using xylene can't hurt- nothing ventured, nothing gained- it's waste at this point anyway...

So far I've seen no one that has tried to pull jungle from STB leftovers.

[Phlux-]

spice is hardly soluble in bestine - thats why it works so damn well for making pure beautiful xtals - very poor choice of solvent for an stb.

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by Phlux-

spice is hardly soluble in bestine - thats why it works so damn well for making pure beautiful xtals - very poor choice of solvent for an stb.

Yep