San Pedro Cactus Powder Consumation

[sativablind]

I have a bag of 900g worth of san pedro cacti powder and have attempted to trip two times by drinking it straight. I consumed 28g within 45 min and couldnt sleep for 15hrs and felt really weird, with a gut wrencher of a stomach bloat feeling. I tried wrapping the powder up in toilet paper and taking it but still got the stomach bloat/ache.

Is there a better way to consume this powder without having to deal with the stomach problems?

[Shroomette]

my best advise would be to cap them, but, damn that would be a lot of capsules and not to mention it is very common for San pedro to cause stomach discomfort no matter what.

[Raziel]

If I were you I would boil about 40-60g for about 2 hours then filter all the glup out and put the liquid to one side. Boil the glup again for 2 hours and then again filter the glup and put the liquid with the liquid you saved from the previous boil and again, boil the glup for two hour. When you filter the glup tru and squeeze as much slim out of the mess as possible using a old T-shirt or something simular and twisting so all the goo is squeezed out. After you have boiled at least 3 time (you can boil for long and more times for better results) put all the liquid/glup you saved and boil down to a vodka shot glass full and then drink.

Be prepared for a nastiest taste and a really heavy body load, you may get nausea but all bad effects fade within 30-90 minutes and you may not get any bad effects at all. Strap yourself in for a hell of a ride

[sativablind]

Originally Posted by Raziel

If I were you I would boil about 40-60g for about 2 hours then filter all the glup out and put the liquid to one side. Boil the glup again for 2 hours and then again filter the glup and put the liquid with the liquid you saved from the previous boil and again, boil the glup for two hour. When you filter the glup tru and squeeze as much slim out of the mess as possible using a old T-shirt or something simular and twisting so all the goo is squeezed out. After you have boiled at least 3 time (you can boil for long and more times for better results) put all the liquid/glup you saved and boil down to a vodka shot glass full and then drink.

Be prepared for a nastiest taste and a really heavy body load, you may get nausea but all bad effects fade within 30-90 minutes and you may not get any bad effects at all. Strap yourself in for a hell of a ride

How much water do i add for 40-60g? When the water starts evaporating do i just keep adding more water? It seems like the liquid would just keep evaporating...how hot should the stove be?

[whatchamacallit]

One could boil the cactus without hurting the mescaline, and one can add more water if it's needed to top it off. But mainly doing a fresh water soak with heat 3 times should get 80-90% of the alks out. One should use enough water to totally submerge the cacti so it isn't thick or goopy. Keep in mind the more fresh water used, the more alkaloid that water can hold. Heat speeds up any chemical reaction, so boiling is used to speed things up, rather than a cold soak. If boiling, make sure to stir it constantly to avoid any cacti burning and sticking to the pot. One could use water until it comes out clear from the cacti when squeezed out to try and make sure all the alkaloid are had. If worse comes to worse, just save all the stuff until it's tested to see how well the goodies were extracted. If one needs to, they could always cook it some more.

BTW, a mescaline extraction from the dried cacti is actually pretty simple. Took SWIM only about 4-5 hours from start to finish to have shiny white mescaline crystals, 2.5 grams of mesc HCl from 250g of ground cacti.

Yup...Extraction is the Only way to go...either the boil-down and reduce, or straight -to- crystals...
No one should ever have to consume 10's of grams of powder ever again...
IMHO...

Peace and Light

[sativablind]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

One could boil the cactus without hurting the mescaline, and one can add more water if it's needed to top it off. But mainly doing a fresh water soak with heat 3 times should get 80-90% of the alks out. One should use enough water to totally submerge the cacti so it isn't thick or goopy. Keep in mind the more fresh water used, the more alkaloid that water can hold. Heat speeds up any chemical reaction, so boiling is used to speed things up, rather than a cold soak. If boiling, make sure to stir it constantly to avoid any cacti burning and sticking to the pot. One could use water until it comes out clear from the cacti when squeezed out to try and make sure all the alkaloid are had. If worse comes to worse, just save all the stuff until it's tested to see how well the goodies were extracted. If one needs to, they could always cook it some more.

BTW, a mescaline extraction from the dried cacti is actually pretty simple. Took SWIM only about 4-5 hours from start to finish to have shiny white mescaline crystals, 2.5 grams of mesc HCl from 250g of ground cacti.

Alright that method of boiling sounds like a good idea. As far as the mescalin extraction, where can i read about this method?

thanks

[whatchamacallit]

There are several extractions on the forum, in the vaults or archives. Read up, then if you have any questions, SWIM's sure someone can answer them, and perhaps he'll try to type up his pretty easy short procedure. It is basically the same as some of the the mescaline extractions in the vaults/archives so reading there for details can get you an idea, then SWIM can just answer anything or tell you his method simply, without all the details that are in the other teks already.

BTW, there is video on how to do it pretty simple on google videos, and the link to it is posted here in one thread about extraction. Using a little less acid then the guy in the video uses will result in cleaner stuff than the dirty sanchez that he makes.

[wpbcaptain]

SWIM is also getting 900g of san pedro powder from Peru. SWIM would like to use the boiling method desribed above with the addition of some lemon juice in the process. SWIM is having a hard time deciding on the intial dosage of powder to have a mellow first time experience without going overboard. SWIM believes this is from the same supplier as above and was wondering if anyone had any updates on this particular powder. Regards.

[Shroomette]

Originally Posted by wpbcaptain

SWIM is also getting 900g of san pedro powder from Peru. SWIM would like to use the boiling method desribed above with the addition of some lemon juice in the process. SWIM is having a hard time deciding on the intial dosage of powder to have a mellow first time experience without going overboard. SWIM believes this is from the same supplier as above and was wondering if anyone had any updates on this particular powder. Regards.

80 to 100 grams of San Pedro would be a decent mellow trip but, don't expect much. IME I have found that citric acid has weakened the trip. Good Luck!

[wpbcaptain]

Originally Posted by Shroomette

80 to 100 grams of San Pedro would be a decent mellow trip but, don't expect much. IME I have found that citric acid has weakened the trip. Good Luck!

Why should swim not expect much from 100g? There is information stating that the acid helps extract more of the alkaloids, but this may not be true. Do you have experience with the powder from the Peru source? Swim plans on doing an a/b extraction later on but would like to test this batch in a more traditional manner. Thanks for your help! Also, does anyone have experience using an antiemetic to cut down on the nausea associated with mescaline?

[Om shanti]

I'd say 100g skins from Peru sounds like a potentially mindblasting experience. Some of the dried skin sources are quite potent. For me 20-40g from my Peruvian source is mellow. More than 40 is a real trip. Of course, it's also subjective to some extent. I prefer around 20g chips from a Peruvian vendor mixed with mushrooms personally.

[wpbcaptain]

Originally Posted by Om shanti

I'd say 100g skins from Peru sounds like a potentially mindblasting experience. Some of the dried skin sources are quite potent. For me 20-40g from my Peruvian source is mellow. More than 40 is a real trip. Of course, it's also subjective to some extent. I prefer around 20g chips from a Peruvian vendor mixed with mushrooms personally.

This sounds right. Thanks you.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Om shanti

I'd say 100g skins from Peru sounds like a potentially mindblasting experience. Some of the dried skin sources are quite potent. For me 20-40g from my Peruvian source is mellow. More than 40 is a real trip. Of course, it's also subjective to some extent. I prefer around 20g chips from a Peruvian vendor mixed with mushrooms personally.

UMMM DUDE, your talking about Torch not pedro. Open mouth insert foot

100 grams of Trichocereus Pachanoi powder a mindblasting dose
Not very likely. Pachanoi is the weakest of the 3 most know cacti (Trichocereus pachanoi, Trichocereus Peruvianus, Trichocereus Bridgesii) and it takes upwards of 2600 fresh grams of Trichocereus pachanoi flesh to even have a decent trip off it, you might get lucky and there be 500 mg's of mescaline in that which is rather weak and remember pedro doesn't have any accomping alkaliods that are worth anything to help propergate the mescaline but, if you say so, we are talking Trichocereus Pachanoi (San Pedro) here not Trichocereus Peruvianus (Peruvian Torch).

[whatchamacallit]

From my understanding, pachanoi can vary greatly, and the strongest pachanoi tested and recorded was stronger than the strongest peruvianus tested. Peruvianus is often thought to be stronger on average, but some pachanois can be stronger, and SWIM has yet to experience the bridgesii.

As for questions about the peruvian cacti source, would this be Julio? If so, his torch chips are of exceptional quality and have at least 1% alkaloids on average, in SWIM's experience. Not sure about other peruvian vendors. A good dose would be 50-100g of torch chips, but this may not blow your mind, however, it is more than enough to have a nice trip. Don't expect earth shattering visuals/mind-bending, but the trip is very nice and enjoyable, and also, SWIM is a hard head, so many people feel that 50 g is enough, while I have even heard a few that did great on 30 g.

Whatever dose you choose, cacti/mescaline is pretty smooth compared to mushrooms and LSD, and only in larger doses does it even come close to approaching the states where one could be overwhelmed. SWIM starts to see where it could happen at around 1.5 grams of mescaline HCl, but he could definitely handle more, while some may think this is a bit too much for them. Give it a shot with somewhere between 50-100 g for the first try, and see how you feel from that.

[Om shanti]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

UMMM DUDE, your talking about Torch not pedro. Open mouth insert foot

That is true, sorry for not reading the message properly! Talk about sitting in my own thoughts...

Thanks for setting it straight.
I of course saw the thread subject, but didn't realize the new question put by wbcaptain was also about San Pedro. I thought "chips from Peru"="chips from Julio", who as far as I remember only sells Torch chips. i don't know anything about San PEdro chips.

[whatchamacallit]

BTW, here is a pretty simple mescaline extraction tek that I posted for SWIM: http://forums.mycotopia.net/general-...tml#post727897 (So, Shrooms or Cactus???)

[slummunky]

Salt It!!! All of it!!!

[cactuskid]

Try Prilosec OTC and or Tagament with some calcium antacid tablets handy for instant relief.

[wpbcaptain]

Well. 50g of powder made into a proper tea had SWIM totally tripped out for 10 hours. Strong visuals that came in neverending waves. Just goes to show how the potency can vary greatly.

[Skizsm420]

Ok. I'm preparing for another bridgesii journey and would like to make the most of what I have. I recently purchased 3 12" cuttings and made tea of 2 of them for a friend and myself. We both had great experiences, but after a couple of trips I'm left wondering what the next level is like. I still have 1 cutting left and want to make the most of it. I've picked up that consuming dry is more potent than teaing, so I'm looking for the best advice I can do this. I don't want to lose any goodies by over heating, but I also want to make sure I give myself enough time to make sure it's completely dry. Also, if anyone has experience, how much more potent is dried cacti compared to tea?

It's strange how after each experience I have more respect for the cacti. My first couple trips were somewhat disoriented ( I just couldn't concentrate or think straight for very long at all). Now it seems as if that problem is passing and even when I take more I have more 'control' over the experience. I'm sure it's all mental but I'm not really worried about taking too much anymore. The only downside in my opinion is the time frame it takes to metabolize enough for a good hard trip. I dosed 12" at 8:30pm last night, went to bed at about 3(still tripping) and have had a "glow" all day(also have been tired as hell).

In summary I would just like to know how to get the most out of the cutting that I have. By the way, thanks again Irish for informing me about Bridgesii as I would never have had as deep of an experience from SP.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Skizsm420

Ok. I'm preparing for another bridgesii journey and would like to make the most of what I have. I recently purchased 3 12" cuttings and made tea of 2 of them for a friend and myself. We both had great experiences, but after a couple of trips I'm left wondering what the next level is like. I still have 1 cutting left and want to make the most of it. I've picked up that consuming dry is more potent than teaing, so I'm looking for the best advice I can do this. I don't want to lose any goodies by over heating, but I also want to make sure I give myself enough time to make sure it's completely dry. Also, if anyone has experience, how much more potent is dried cacti compared to tea?

It's strange how after each experience I have more respect for the cacti. My first couple trips were somewhat disoriented ( I just couldn't concentrate or think straight for very long at all). Now it seems as if that problem is passing and even when I take more I have more 'control' over the experience. I'm sure it's all mental but I'm not really worried about taking too much anymore. The only downside in my opinion is the time frame it takes to metabolize enough for a good hard trip. I dosed 12" at 8:30pm last night, went to bed at about 3(still tripping) and have had a "glow" all day(also have been tired as hell).

In summary I would just like to know how to get the most out of the cutting that I have. By the way, thanks again Irish for informing me about Bridgesii as I would never have had as deep of an experience from SP.

Well first off skizm the alkaliods in bridgesii or any active cactus for that matter are very stable unless you reach temps of 300 F or greater there will be no alkaliod loss, Now if you are wanting a full on expereince, might I suggest that you remove the waxy outer layer from the cutting, this can be accomplished my using a razor and a set of needle nose pliers this is a pain staiking process and will be time consuming. Then split the cutting in half length wise, then remove the inner flesh down to the green skin, now cut the skins into about 3 to 4 inch wide pieces width wise, then take those and split them in half again length wise, then place those on cookie sheet and preheat the oven to 200 F and pop the cookie sheet into the oven to dry the skins, once you can take the skins and break them in piece easily then you will be fine. This won't destroy none of the alkaliods and will create very nice dry skins, then powder those and cap them up into 000 gel caps and swallow those, then after swallowing these then drink the tea ontop, now this will be a very very strong experience and probally will lead to a breakthrough, now something else would be to tea all 3 cuttings and split them, reducing down to one pint then stir well and split into 2 doses and you and your freind down. I assure you, you will have a expereince, but, for best results of bridgesii is to make a 4 cutting tea with nice blueish cuttings, then split that and it will take you to a new world I assure you of this I WARN YOU HOWEVER this WILL be a intence expereince. Its been my expereince with bridgesii the deeper the blueish green it is the stronger it will be, now rocketman will argue this with me but, I am gonna say that the darker looking the cactus meaning the darker the green to a blueish color the stronger or the higher tha alkaliod content of the cactus it will be.

Have fun my friend and may you cross over into the spirit world.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by wpbcaptain

Well. 50g of powder made into a proper tea had SWIM totally tripped out for 10 hours. Strong visuals that came in neverending waves. Just goes to show how the potency can vary greatly.

50 Grams of pedro In a "proper" tea had you tripping huh, you must be new to cactus. So what is a Proper tea? I have tried pedro from all over the world and Have yet to see 50 grams of pedro skins make me trip (sure you aren't taking torch) then again I have been tripping on cactus for a great many years and My first ever cactus trip was loph williamsii. Which I find Bridgeii to be much like that, I am no tdoubting what you say by no means but, I think this may have been because you are new to catus. So that being said, where did you get this pedro from as I have been searching for Pedro that is "potent"?

Thanks
IL

[Skizsm420]

The thing is that my buddy and I split the first 2 cuttings in the form of tea. It was his first time so I didn't want to go overboard. What I am working with now is 1 12" cutting that I will include a pic of. I'm not expecting to 'break on through to the other side' but at the same time i want to make sure I get the most I can out of what I have until next time. So, the tea is gone, but I'm thinking about powdering the cutting I have. I know most people recommend encapsulating but I'm thinking about doing it in shots of OJ. Sort of like Matcha green tea from Jamba Juice lol. I figure that if I don't stir it or let it soak and just dump it in and drink it it will absorb a little faster and I will save the trouble of encapsulating.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Skizsm420

The thing is that my buddy and I split the first 2 cuttings in the form of tea. It was his first time so I didn't want to go overboard. What I am working with now is 1 12" cutting that I will include a pic of. I'm not expecting to 'break on through to the other side' but at the same time i want to make sure I get the most I can out of what I have until next time. So, the tea is gone, but I'm thinking about powdering the cutting I have. I know most people recommend encapsulating but I'm thinking about doing it in shots of OJ. Sort of like Matcha green tea from Jamba Juice lol. I figure that if I don't stir it or let it soak and just dump it in and drink it it will absorb a little faster and I will save the trouble of encapsulating.

Nice looking cutting LOL, sounds like a good plan. Give it a shot and let us know how it goes bro.

[Skizsm420]

You know I will. From my experience BBB always has good cuttings. That one was actually the least 'bluish' cutting of the 3 that I ordered. One of them was downright aqua lol. The one I have left is the one in the middle. I don't know if its true that the lack of light/water increases potency but if it does that will help also because it is held up in a closet until it's ready to be consumed.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Skizsm420

You know I will. From my experience BBB always has good cuttings. That one was actually the least 'bluish' cutting of the 3 that I ordered. One of them was downright aqua lol. The one I have left is the one in the middle. I don't know if its true that the lack of light/water increases potency but if it does that will help also because it is held up in a closet until it's ready to be consumed.

The one thing you must understand is a cutting CAN'T be stressed without roots LOL, you can't stress a cactus unless its rooted, this WELL place them in the dark for a few weeks and it will stress the cutting is straight Sorry but, thats a fact. A cactus must bee rooted to produce alakoids I.E. Stressing, that means that through the use of enviromental stressors like lack of ight (which BTW causes etoliatation if the cactus has roots and the soil temp is above 70 and the cactus begins to grow without the proper light) then you have lack of water, high temps, direct sun and such BUT, the cactus MUST be rooted to stress it.

[Ferretious]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

The one thing you must understand is a cutting CAN'T be stressed without roots LOL, you can't stress a cactus unless its rooted, this WELL place them in the dark for a few weeks and it will stress the cutting is straight Sorry but, thats a fact. A cactus must bee rooted to produce alakoids I.E. Stressing, that means that through the use of enviromental stressors like lack of ight (which BTW causes etoliatation if the cactus has roots and the soil temp is above 70 and the cactus begins to grow without the proper light) then you have lack of water, high temps, direct sun and such BUT, the cactus MUST be rooted to stress it.

Wow! I keep reading all over the place that cuttings can be stressed in this way.
Seem's I've been wasting my time with the cuttings I've got stored in the dark in the shed!

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Ferretious

Wow! I keep reading all over the place that cuttings can be stressed in this way.
Seem's I've been wasting my time with the cuttings I've got stored in the dark in the shed!

Ask anyone bro that knows cactus LOL it can't and won't produce alkaliods without roots otherwise it goes dormant man. Dormant cactus don't produce alkaliods LOL.

[Ferretious]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

Ask anyone bro that knows cactus LOL it can't and won't produce alkaliods without roots otherwise it goes dormant man. Dormant cactus don't produce alkaliods LOL.

Yeah man, that makes sense!

[viewer6922]

what Irishlion has told you....his advice has always Correct!

[Skizsm420]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

Well first off skizm the alkaliods in bridgesii or any active cactus for that matter are very stable unless you reach temps of 300 F or greater there will be no alkaliod loss, Now if you are wanting a full on expereince, might I suggest that you remove the waxy outer layer from the cutting, this can be accomplished my using a razor and a set of needle nose pliers this is a pain staiking process and will be time consuming. Then split the cutting in half length wise, then remove the inner flesh down to the green skin, now cut the skins into about 3 to 4 inch wide pieces width wise, then take those and split them in half again length wise, then place those on cookie sheet and preheat the oven to 200 F and pop the cookie sheet into the oven to dry the skins, once you can take the skins and break them in piece easily then you will be fine. This won't destroy none of the alkaliods and will create very nice dry skins, then powder those and cap them up into 000 gel caps and swallow those, then after swallowing these then drink the tea ontop, now this will be a very very strong experience and probally will lead to a breakthrough, now something else would be to tea all 3 cuttings and split them, reducing down to one pint then stir well and split into 2 doses and you and your freind down. I assure you, you will have a expereince, but, for best results of bridgesii is to make a 4 cutting tea with nice blueish cuttings, then split that and it will take you to a new world I assure you of this I WARN YOU HOWEVER this WILL be a intence expereince. Its been my expereince with bridgesii the deeper the blueish green it is the stronger it will be, now rocketman will argue this with me but, I am gonna say that the darker looking the cactus meaning the darker the green to a blueish color the stronger or the higher tha alkaliod content of the cactus it will be.

Have fun my friend and may you cross over into the spirit world.

So when drying I should trash the core AND the white flesh tissue? Also if the cactus is equally potent than the others that came with it should I expect an equal or stronger experience?

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Skizsm420

So when drying I should trash the core AND the white flesh tissue? Also if the cactus is equally potent than the others that came with it should I expect an equal or stronger experience?

Yes you should trash the core and yes by consuming the cactus it will be a = to or stronger experience more than likely considerablly stronger, since you are injesting you can use the inner white flesh if you want, just not the core. While there are some alkaliods in the inner flesh there isn't a whole lot maybe 20 to 25%, they are mostly contained in the outter green skin about 75 to 80%. Hope this helps

Thanks
IL

[Skizsm420]

Awesome. Thanks again for the info Irish. I'm about to start skinning and slicing so I'll get at least most of the drying done tonight I hope.

I'm definitely looking forward to the experience. Probably one day this week or this weekend.

[Skizsm420]

I finished getting everything dried last night. It wasn't quite the pain in the ass that I expected lol. I sortof enjoyed it. I'm a little worried, though, about how much powder I have. After drying I weighed the chips and it was under 20g. I left a fair ammount of the white flesh on(I think it pretty much just evaporated because the chips are pretty much just green/brown). Did I do something wrong or is that a normal ammount to have from a 12" cutting? I've just read so much about people having very mild experiences of off more than 25g. I can definitely say that my experience was more than mild from tea made w/ 2 cuttings(split in 1/2 with a friend). I'm just a little worried I made the wrong decision in drying it out. I guess even still it's a lesson learned that I'll remember next time.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Skizsm420

I finished getting everything dried last night. It wasn't quite the pain in the ass that I expected lol. I sortof enjoyed it. I'm a little worried, though, about how much powder I have. After drying I weighed the chips and it was under 20g. I left a fair ammount of the white flesh on(I think it pretty much just evaporated because the chips are pretty much just green/brown). Did I do something wrong or is that a normal ammount to have from a 12" cutting? I've just read so much about people having very mild experiences of off more than 25g. I can definitely say that my experience was more than mild from tea made w/ 2 cuttings(split in 1/2 with a friend). I'm just a little worried I made the wrong decision in drying it out. I guess even still it's a lesson learned that I'll remember next time.

thats about right for one cutting man, whole bridgesii powder tends to be rather potent, see eating and teaing are 2 different thing entirely, but, usually one cutting is enough for a good expereince. The reason I say eating and teaing are difeerent entirely is when you eat it you get ALL the alkaliods while teaing you loose some of them in the process and with every step from the full cutting material you will loose some more alkaliod content, eat the cactus man, I am pretty sure if that cutting is decently potent that you will have a good ride. But, sometimes to go to a new level my friend it takes 2 good ones.

[Skizsm420]

That's good to hear. I think I'm just paranoid when it comes to this kind of thing. Even though teaing is pretty simple I felt like I was doing something wrong most steps of the way(too much heat/water etc) but it worked like a charm.

[Skizsm420]

Well it seems I bombed the drying process. I don't think I would classify the experience as a "trip" per se. It was a lot like the first time I tead a 12" cutting of pachanoi. Slight CEVs, body high, etc. . but no real visuals to speak of. I'm not sure what I did wrong(or if i just had an incredibly weak cutting), but it was about 25% at best of my previous bridgesii experiences.

I was considering purchasing some torch chips/powder from a vendor and using the method I used with this bunch( Mixing a little at a time with a drink of OJ and putting it down the hatch) because it went down a lot easier than tea. If I decide to do that how many grams would I have to take to expect a good hard trip? at this point I'm just researching my next trip to make an educated decision between sticking with the bridg tea or trying dried torch.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Skizsm420

Well it seems I bombed the drying process. I don't think I would classify the experience as a "trip" per se. It was a lot like the first time I tead a 12" cutting of pachanoi. Slight CEVs, body high, etc. . but no real visuals to speak of. I'm not sure what I did wrong(or if i just had an incredibly weak cutting), but it was about 25% at best of my previous bridgesii experiences.

I was considering purchasing some torch chips/powder from a vendor and using the method I used with this bunch( Mixing a little at a time with a drink of OJ and putting it down the hatch) because it went down a lot easier than tea. If I decide to do that how many grams would I have to take to expect a good hard trip? at this point I'm just researching my next trip to make an educated decision between sticking with the bridg tea or trying dried torch.

With any cactus you are playing the potency roulette wheel, but, a good strong trip of torch in its pureist form would be 75 grams, you can go higher if you wish to the point of break through would be about 90 to 100.