Bogus MHRB?

911aware · 05-29-09, 17:42

Hi all...

As some of you know, i have been having difficulty with an extraction.

this is bullshit, man. there is no reason why my shit shouldn't work. but I simply dont seem to be getting any xtals forming from my extractions. i have studied this now for a few months, and my shit ain't goin right. Perhaps Bouncing Bear Botanicals bestowed a batch of bogus bark?

I took the advice of a member of the forum, and did another batch (same measurements....motor oil, then naptha, warm bath, pull....nada (or at least very little)...and the other shit is oily still. This ain't fuckin rocket science.

i have one more evap im doing, but i dont expect much.

so at this point, im gonna hit my buddy up to do his last 2 hits of the ol' liquid 25, and plan a time to do some ayauhasca brew.

I made a brew from 40g of b. cappi, 10g of MHRB, and a few leaves of chaliponga. it's in the freezer now, awaiting time for my buddy to not be scared about the dietary restrictions...and find the time of course.

I plan on getting some MHRB from this Canadian outfit that sells powdered mhrb at about the same price as bouncing bear, and try it again from a different supplier. im very persistent.

cheers, and thanks for all your help and support!

lysergic · 05-29-09, 18:04

what procedure did you follow?

911aware · 05-29-09, 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by lysergic

what procedure did you follow?

i've tried two or three stb methods.

2.5 cups water with 3 to 4 tbsp of NaOH. i let the exothermic reaction subside.

add about 100g of mhrb powdered in blender.

most recent was a recommendation to let the stuff sit for only about an hour. i've also let it sit 24 hours...i've also let it sit 3 days in aqueous solution.

add 200 - 250 ml of naptha.

ive let this sit from anywhere from 20 mins to 3 days.

4 experiments, and same result.

weeeeeee · 05-29-09, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911aware

i've tried two or three stb methods.

2.5 cups water with 3 to 4 tbsp of NaOH. i let the exothermic reaction subside.

add about 100g of mhrb powdered in blender.

most recent was a recommendation to let the stuff sit for only about an hour. i've also let it sit 24 hours...i've also let it sit 3 days in aqueous solution.

add 200 - 250 ml of naptha.

ive let this sit from anywhere from 20 mins to 3 days.

4 experiments, and same result.

damn sounds good to me are you shaking the shit out of it when you add the powder?

lysergic · 05-29-09, 18:32

You evaporated all of the naphtha?

Try using more lye.

weeeeeee · 05-29-09, 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by lysergic

You evaporated all of the naphtha?

Try using more lye.

he said something earlier where he referred to his dh2o lye mix as motor oil so it seems right but it cant really hurt i suppose

buteo · 05-29-09, 19:02

i use a half pound of lye for 100 grams in a half gallon of water. I get 1.4% yeild with my bark. maybe you should use more lye.

911aware · 05-29-09, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by buteo_12701

i use a half pound of lye for 100 grams in a half gallon of water. I get 1.4% yeild with my bark. maybe you should use more lye.

LIKE I said, i will try a different source of raw material. i love bouncing bear, but competition never hurts.

and yes, shaking the jar vigorously.

johnnydigital · 05-29-09, 19:41

I haven't heard anything bad about BBB....SWINJD uses powdered bark from "Secret Herbals" and has never had an issue... might want to check them out bro... prices are great and their shit is ON POINT. Sorry all this shit happened man... that sucks... alot of $$$ down the drain.

weeeeeee · 05-29-09, 19:42

not that im trying to direct your business to our sponsors only but i just wanted you to take note that bbb has been a VERY reliable source for us all in the past. recently we had a sponsor whos bark was actually sub-par and we had members having wayy less than average pulls but they were only around for a couple or few months if i remember correctly

what i was getting at was that the admins here have done a good job selecting and weeding through sponsors to ensure we only recieve the best quality products

now with that said taking another look at your procedure you are on the right path and you should have gotten more than a tiny bit of oily shitz

you said you added 4 tablespoons lye to 2.5-3 cups of water or something along those lines and 100 g bark

and we have another member who suggested to you to ad more lye

then i read his recipe and he said half gallon dh20 to half pound lye and 100 grams bark yoru naptha layer will still be the same

now these ratios are WAYYYYY up from yours and this is a members tried and true method so before you go spending hundreds on fresh bark you may wanna try to increase the amounts of lye and water and try again....

johnnydigital · 05-29-09, 20:13

Sorry 911, I know you're getting lots of conflicting advice.... What type of Lye are you using? If its mixed with anything, that may be causing the problem. Same with the Naphtha... seems like something in the mix seems to be causing trouble. Because your procedures are fine, far as I can tell. Did the bark smell right and feel right? Was it the pinkish tint stuff??

lysergic · 05-29-09, 22:00

you totally evaporated your naphtha?

buteo · 05-29-09, 22:08

i dont see much conflicting advice...just suggestions. I use alot more lye and i get high yeilds. Im just tryin to help out . I didnt make my method i was told by another member on here. I just merely followed his steps and bam i have a gold mine of spice. I should of just not answered at all...which seems like the best way to go. If you post on the forum for help and everyone responds i do not see a problem with it. I just posted what i have done and how it worked for me. I did not use sponsors bark therefore there is a possibility you might have different dmt content in your bark. Idk. But any response on a forum like this should be welcomed. Alot of posts go up untouched. The best thing to do is be patient and get to the buttom of this. I dont think you should have 0% yeild though it could be possible.

lysergic · 05-29-09, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by buteo_12701

i dont see much conflicting advice...just suggestions. I use alot more lye and i get high yeilds. Im just tryin to help out ...If you post on the forum for help and everyone responds i do not see a problem with it. I... But any response on a forum like this should be welcomed. Alot of posts go up untouched. The best thing to do is be patient and get to the buttom of this. I dont think you should have 0% yeild though it could be possible.

Good advice.

Yeah, more lye never hurts anything.
I would try adding another 2 tbsp.
Not like you have anything to lose.

whatchamacallit · 05-30-09, 04:42

Each tbsp of lye weighs about 15-18 g, roughly.

tenjin · 05-30-09, 08:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by buteo_12701

i dont see much conflicting advice...just suggestions. I use alot more lye and i get high yeilds. Im just tryin to help out . I didnt make my method i was told by another member on here. I just merely followed his steps and bam i have a gold mine of spice. I should of just not answered at all...which seems like the best way to go. If you post on the forum for help and everyone responds i do not see a problem with it. I just posted what i have done and how it worked for me. I did not use sponsors bark therefore there is a possibility you might have different dmt content in your bark. Idk. But any response on a forum like this should be welcomed. Alot of posts go up untouched. The best thing to do is be patient and get to the buttom of this. I dont think you should have 0% yeild though it could be possible.

Well said b.

Ya I don't think you should have a 0% yield either, but I guess anythings possible. I mean it is seperating fine- so you should be pulling at leat something. I would definitely take the advice and add more lye. And something in the evap or pecip may be going wrong too. Not evap long enough or freezer is not cold enough. Maybe try sticking in freezer (on highest temp setting) right after pulls and see if any crystals fall out, if it looks cloudy leave in longer. Anyways, like b said I probably shouldn't post reply at all but I hate to see it all go to shit on you, when others are getting good results with pretty much the same tek you are using.

johnnydigital · 05-30-09, 09:54

Why are you saying you shouldn'tve responded? I have no problem with anything you said... I'm not saying conflicting advice is even a bad thing, just making a statement... I have no problem with any suggestions made in this thread... there was another thread about 911's actual issue with extraction and then this thread was started about the 'bark' issue. And in the first thread some were saying use more water, some said use more lye, some said use more Naphtha, etc. I have no idea what the answer is, but his process seems sound, which is why I think there may be an issue with his bark, or his lye or his Naphtha.

I also try to answer folks questions as best I can... I dont have all the answers, nor do I pertain to, but, if I can help someone out, I will try to. SWINJD has done alot of these extractions and teks and usually never has an issue and if I see a thread languishing with zero replies to a problem, then I usually try to see if I can assist. Hell, I remember back in the day, we were experimenting with making "erl" which is a refined, THC oil... we didn't know what the fuck we were doing, we tried Naphtha, Butane, Methanol, Toluene, etc, and were the test monkeys, but our ideas were sound and we made it work. Butane ended up giving us the best product in the end... but as far as this goes, the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned.

911aware · 05-30-09, 13:50

yea, guys, perhaps i should add more lye....i still have aqueous solution that i can play with. as i understand it, this stuff can be re-constituted many, many times. all is not lost.

and i am a big supporter of BBB. Those people are super nice, and they always have good products, but perhaps there can be bad batches of bark. no telling. but i shall not give up, and i certainly welcome all the advice you guys have to give (except for one guy who told me to have an echinheimer(???) flask and magnetic stirring device- yada yada yada)

the yeild i got from last pull did have a little stuff in it (i can smell it), but again, im running in to this oily problem....like a bunch of little yellow droplets in the evap dish.

ayahuasca, here i come!

tenjin · 05-30-09, 17:44

No sweat JD.
I've seen you help out alot of people here,
so you're good peeps with me bro.

weeeeeee · 05-30-09, 18:05

Quote:

but again, im running in to this oily problem....like a bunch of little yellow droplets in the evap dish

sounds like the oil from the bark...???maybe i dunno for sure to my knowledge anyways you using clean fresh naptha?

whatchamacallit · 05-31-09, 06:44

Did one perform a polar wash, then dry the solvent with crushed/baked epsom salts? Are the yellow blobs possibly a little water that was pulled out with the solvent? If this is the case, by washing the solvent, one can remove much of the color, then by drying the solvent they can remove every last bit of water trapped in the solvent. This can then be evapped, which will leave oily yellow on top of the crystals, or it can be freeze precipitated to leave the white crystals which can be filtered out then dried to yield white crystals. If there is still a little bit of yellow, one can recrystallize to make it pyre white to clear. SWIM explains how to do this in an other thread, or one could follow the rerystallizations as described in several teks. SWIM will try and find his simple explanation to see if that is easy enough to follow, or one can at least use it as a guideline when reading the more in depth explanations. It's not all that difficult and can allow one to have the majority of the DMT clear/white while salvaging the yellow into a concentrated form of yellow crystals for those times one would rather try the "jungle" or yellow/orange crystals.

Here is the link: http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanica...tml#post716017 (making xtals ?)

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05-29-09, 17:42	#1 (permalink)
911aware Vision Seeker Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 207	Bogus MHRB? Hi all... As some of you know, i have been having difficulty with an extraction. this is bullshit, man. there is no reason why my shit shouldn't work. but I simply dont seem to be getting any xtals forming from my extractions. i have studied this now for a few months, and my shit ain't goin right. Perhaps Bouncing Bear Botanicals bestowed a batch of bogus bark? I took the advice of a member of the forum, and did another batch (same measurements....motor oil, then naptha, warm bath, pull....nada (or at least very little)...and the other shit is oily still. This ain't fuckin rocket science. i have one more evap im doing, but i dont expect much. so at this point, im gonna hit my buddy up to do his last 2 hits of the ol' liquid 25, and plan a time to do some ayauhasca brew. I made a brew from 40g of b. cappi, 10g of MHRB, and a few leaves of chaliponga. it's in the freezer now, awaiting time for my buddy to not be scared about the dietary restrictions...and find the time of course. I plan on getting some MHRB from this Canadian outfit that sells powdered mhrb at about the same price as bouncing bear, and try it again from a different supplier. im very persistent. cheers, and thanks for all your help and support!

05-29-09, 19:02	#7 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,462	i use a half pound of lye for 100 grams in a half gallon of water. I get 1.4% yeild with my bark. maybe you should use more lye. __________________ Im only what i think i am

05-29-09, 22:08	#13 (permalink)
buteo Imbicilzzzz Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,462	i dont see much conflicting advice...just suggestions. I use alot more lye and i get high yeilds. Im just tryin to help out . I didnt make my method i was told by another member on here. I just merely followed his steps and bam i have a gold mine of spice. I should of just not answered at all...which seems like the best way to go. If you post on the forum for help and everyone responds i do not see a problem with it. I just posted what i have done and how it worked for me. I did not use sponsors bark therefore there is a possibility you might have different dmt content in your bark. Idk. But any response on a forum like this should be welcomed. Alot of posts go up untouched. The best thing to do is be patient and get to the buttom of this. I dont think you should have 0% yeild though it could be possible. __________________ Im only what i think i am

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05-29-09, 18:04	#2 (permalink)
lysergic Down on the Pharm Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,214	what procedure did you follow?

05-29-09, 18:32	#5 (permalink)
lysergic Down on the Pharm Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,214	You evaporated all of the naphtha? Try using more lye.

05-29-09, 19:41	#9 (permalink)
johnnydigital Former Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 713	I haven't heard anything bad about BBB....SWINJD uses powdered bark from "Secret Herbals" and has never had an issue... might want to check them out bro... prices are great and their shit is ON POINT. Sorry all this shit happened man... that sucks... alot of $$$ down the drain.

05-29-09, 19:42	#10 (permalink)
weeeeeee humanoid Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,855	not that im trying to direct your business to our sponsors only but i just wanted you to take note that bbb has been a VERY reliable source for us all in the past. recently we had a sponsor whos bark was actually sub-par and we had members having wayy less than average pulls but they were only around for a couple or few months if i remember correctly what i was getting at was that the admins here have done a good job selecting and weeding through sponsors to ensure we only recieve the best quality products now with that said taking another look at your procedure you are on the right path and you should have gotten more than a tiny bit of oily shitz you said you added 4 tablespoons lye to 2.5-3 cups of water or something along those lines and 100 g bark and we have another member who suggested to you to ad more lye then i read his recipe and he said half gallon dh20 to half pound lye and 100 grams bark yoru naptha layer will still be the same now these ratios are WAYYYYY up from yours and this is a members tried and true method so before you go spending hundreds on fresh bark you may wanna try to increase the amounts of lye and water and try again....

05-29-09, 20:13	#11 (permalink)
johnnydigital Former Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 713	Sorry 911, I know you're getting lots of conflicting advice.... What type of Lye are you using? If its mixed with anything, that may be causing the problem. Same with the Naphtha... seems like something in the mix seems to be causing trouble. Because your procedures are fine, far as I can tell. Did the bark smell right and feel right? Was it the pinkish tint stuff??

05-29-09, 22:00	#12 (permalink)
lysergic Down on the Pharm Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,214	you totally evaporated your naphtha?

05-30-09, 04:42	#15 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,647	Each tbsp of lye weighs about 15-18 g, roughly.

05-30-09, 09:54	#17 (permalink)
johnnydigital Former Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 713	Why are you saying you shouldn'tve responded? I have no problem with anything you said... I'm not saying conflicting advice is even a bad thing, just making a statement... I have no problem with any suggestions made in this thread... there was another thread about 911's actual issue with extraction and then this thread was started about the 'bark' issue. And in the first thread some were saying use more water, some said use more lye, some said use more Naphtha, etc. I have no idea what the answer is, but his process seems sound, which is why I think there may be an issue with his bark, or his lye or his Naphtha. I also try to answer folks questions as best I can... I dont have all the answers, nor do I pertain to, but, if I can help someone out, I will try to. SWINJD has done alot of these extractions and teks and usually never has an issue and if I see a thread languishing with zero replies to a problem, then I usually try to see if I can assist. Hell, I remember back in the day, we were experimenting with making "erl" which is a refined, THC oil... we didn't know what the fuck we were doing, we tried Naphtha, Butane, Methanol, Toluene, etc, and were the test monkeys, but our ideas were sound and we made it work. Butane ended up giving us the best product in the end... but as far as this goes, the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned.

05-30-09, 13:50	#18 (permalink)
911aware Vision Seeker Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 207	yea, guys, perhaps i should add more lye....i still have aqueous solution that i can play with. as i understand it, this stuff can be re-constituted many, many times. all is not lost. and i am a big supporter of BBB. Those people are super nice, and they always have good products, but perhaps there can be bad batches of bark. no telling. but i shall not give up, and i certainly welcome all the advice you guys have to give (except for one guy who told me to have an echinheimer(???) flask and magnetic stirring device- yada yada yada) the yeild i got from last pull did have a little stuff in it (i can smell it), but again, im running in to this oily problem....like a bunch of little yellow droplets in the evap dish. ayahuasca, here i come!

05-30-09, 17:44	#19 (permalink)
tenjin xibalba bound Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 898	No sweat JD. I've seen you help out alot of people here, so you're good peeps with me bro.

05-31-09, 06:44	#21 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,647	Did one perform a polar wash, then dry the solvent with crushed/baked epsom salts? Are the yellow blobs possibly a little water that was pulled out with the solvent? If this is the case, by washing the solvent, one can remove much of the color, then by drying the solvent they can remove every last bit of water trapped in the solvent. This can then be evapped, which will leave oily yellow on top of the crystals, or it can be freeze precipitated to leave the white crystals which can be filtered out then dried to yield white crystals. If there is still a little bit of yellow, one can recrystallize to make it pyre white to clear. SWIM explains how to do this in an other thread, or one could follow the rerystallizations as described in several teks. SWIM will try and find his simple explanation to see if that is easy enough to follow, or one can at least use it as a guideline when reading the more in depth explanations. It's not all that difficult and can allow one to have the majority of the DMT clear/white while salvaging the yellow into a concentrated form of yellow crystals for those times one would rather try the "jungle" or yellow/orange crystals. Here is the link: http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanica...tml#post716017 (making xtals ?)